Howard Dean: You know what’s sometimes worth doing? Military intervention in the Middle East

posted at 5:09 pm on March 23, 2011 by Allahpundit

To cleanse the palate, via RCP, skip ahead to 6:00 and see for yourself the depths to which this guy will sink to defend interventionism once there’s a Democrat giving the “go” order in the Middle East instead of a Republican. Remember, in 2003, Dean-o was the anti-war candidate, the guy who galvanized the nutroots by lashing Bush on Iraq. Fast-forward eight years, past a stint as party chairman, and now he’s mumbling about having to “take chances.” When Joe Klein calls him on the hypocrisy, he waves him away with leftist boilerplate about having been lied to about WMD. In fact, though, Dean opposed the Iraq war before we knew anything about the fate of Saddam’s weapons program; he was thinking about running for president and saw an opening among the anti-war crowd and he filled it. The whole reason progressives hold him in such esteem is that he questioned the war before the WMD issue came to the forefront — just as Obama did, long before his own metamorphosis into a humanitarian interventionist. Here’s a choice excerpt from a foreign policy speech Dean gave in February 2003, weeks before an American boot had set foot in Iraq:

I do not believe the President should have been given a green light to drive our nation into conflict without the case having first been made to Congress and the American people for why this war is necessary, and without a requirement that we at least try first to work through the United Nations…

To this day, the President has not made a case that war against Iraq, now, is necessary to defend American territory, our citizens, our allies, or our essential interests.

Nor has the Administration prepared sufficiently for the possible retaliatory attacks on our home front that even the President’s CIA Director has stated are likely to occur. It has always been important, before going to war, for our troops to be well-trained, well-equipped, and well-protected. In this new era, it is as important that our people on the home front also be well-protected.

The Administration has not explained how a lasting peace, and lasting security, will be achieved in Iraq once Saddam Hussein is toppled.

And the Administration has approached the United Nations more as an afterthought than as the international institution created to deal with precisely such a situation as we face in Iraq. From the outset, the Administration has seemed oblivious to the simple fact that it clearly would be in our interests for any war with Iraq to occur with UN authorization and cooperation and not without it.

Replace the part about treating the UN as an afterthought with treating Congress as an afterthought and you’ve got a noninterventionist argument that’s easily adaptable to the present circumstances. Why didn’t Dean-o adapt it? You know why.

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Idiots on parade.

MikeA on March 23, 2011 at 5:11 PM

And then we’re going to Bahrain, and Qatar, and Kuwait, and UAE, and Saudi Arabia….YEEEEAARRGH!

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

And then we’re going to Bahrain, and Qatar, and Kuwait, and UAE, and Saudi Arabia….YEEEEAARRGH!

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Dammit, you beat me to it.

teke184 on March 23, 2011 at 5:14 PM

And then we’re going to Bahrain, and Qatar, and Kuwait, and UAE, and Saudi Arabia….YEEEEAARRGH!

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Dammit, you beat me to it.

teke184 on March 23, 2011 at 5:14 PM

me too.

Scrappy on March 23, 2011 at 5:15 PM

And people complain about kids walking around with their pants low. Here’s a grown man pulling his pants down in public all the way to the ground so we can dance around him pointing and laughing. This is just the best! “Heee-yah!” as the risible gentleman has said so memorably, not to mention his idol’s, “Fore!”

Mason on March 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM

old and busted: Dissent is patriotic
new and hotness: Lying is patriotic

Nice work Howard, you prove yourself a useful tool for the Circle D Gang (TM)

ted c on March 23, 2011 at 5:17 PM

I bet Dean’s head is exploding on the inside…

Fallon on March 23, 2011 at 5:17 PM

This is beyond pathetic, but sadly, not surprising either. At least Krazy Klein called him out on this utter hypocrisy. Unlike Chief Resident Morning Joe Obama Cheerleader Mika Brzezinski.

Lance Murdock on March 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

From Moonbattery.com

Alternate Names for the Libyan Adventure

10. Operation Nine Months in the Senate Didn’t Prepare Me for This
9. Operation Organizing for Libya
8. Operation Double Standard
7. Operation FINE! I’ll Do Something
6. Operation Enduring Narcissism
5. Operation So That’s What the Red Button Does
4. Operation France Backed Me Into a Corner
3. Operation Start Without Me
2. Operation Unlike Bush Wars This One Is Justified Because Hey Look a Squirrel
1. Operation Aimless Fury

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

We are in Bizzaro world.

Up is down. Left is right.

portlandon on March 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM

his not this

Lance Murdock on March 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM

they are stupid with hate

joeindc44 on March 23, 2011 at 5:22 PM

To cleanse the palate..


By washing down a sh*t pie with diarrhea?

Demosthenes on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

The world really has gone mad.

ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

To say “Hypocrisy is indignant” would make indignance indignant.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Any candidate for President who goes around screaming Yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaw….doesn’t even deserve the attention he’s getting on this thread. He’s a commie. That’s all I need to know.

capejasmine on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Why is this doofus dyeing his hair? Is he going to be hosting a game show?

fiatboomer on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

OMG, how do these people sleep at night?

ctmom on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Impertinence guides lefties. Period.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

I bet Dean’s head is exploding on the inside…

Fallon on March 23, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Something something, Eastasia, something something, Oceania.

jarodea on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

LOL!

txhsmom on March 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Shilltastic!

amerpundit on March 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

2. Operation Unlike Bush Wars This One Is Justified Because Hey Look a Squirrel

Hahahaha.

Chuck Schick on March 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

The world really has gone mad.

ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Indeed. Buy lottery tickets. Ernie and Schaden agree.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

And then we’re going to Bahrain, and Qatar, and Kuwait, and UAE, and Saudi Arabia….YEEEEAARRGH!

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Awesome. LOL.

The sheer, unmitigated hypocrisy here from this guy is giving John Edwards a run for his money. It’s just beyond belief.

MikeknaJ on March 23, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Further, next time there’s a republican president and they go to war, you can be 100% sure Iraq 2003 will become the beloved model of republican’s going to war to the liberals. The future republican president will be evil warmonger something-hitler regardless.

jarodea on March 23, 2011 at 5:26 PM

I am not wishing for failure, but…It is hysterical that Don Knotts and Tim Conway seem to be running this entire affair. We have the cast from “The Wackiest Gun in the West” running foreign policy. If it weren’t so sad, it would be comical.

bopbottle on March 23, 2011 at 5:26 PM

I bet Dean’s head is exploding on the inside…

Fallon on March 23, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Very little to see in there.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

From Moonbattery.com

Alternate Names for the Libyan Adventure

10. Operation Nine Months in the Senate Didn’t Prepare Me for This
9. Operation Organizing for Libya
8. Operation Double Standard
7. Operation FINE! I’ll Do Something
6. Operation Enduring Narcissism
5. Operation So That’s What the Red Button Does
4. Operation France Backed Me Into a Corner
3. Operation Start Without Me
2. Operation Unlike Bush Wars This One Is Justified Because Hey Look a Squirrel
1. Operation Aimless Fury

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

EXcellent!

The French backed me into a corner? AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Beta beta BETA!!!

44Magnum on March 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Now I remember why I never watch Morning Joe…

d1carter on March 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

The world really has gone mad.

ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

If its any comfort its not just your side that is getting screwed by the people we thought we could trust.

sharrukin on March 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

11. Operation Pay No Attention To What’s Going On Over There

Seven Percent Solution on March 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Oops, my bad, I meant “The Shakiest gun in the West.” Although “The Wackiest Gun in the Navy” would apply also.

bopbottle on March 23, 2011 at 5:28 PM

2. Operation Unlike Bush Wars This One Is Justified Because Hey Look a Squirrel

…hey look, a football

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:28 PM

You’re not understanding the nuance.

Howard Dean opposes military action to remove dictators in Arab countries without knowing when we’ll leave, how much it’ll cost, or who the next leaders will be.

But he supports military action to remove dictators in Arab countries without knowing when we’ll leave, how much it’ll cost, or who the next leaders will be.

I should add: The latter only applies when a Democrat is in office.

amerpundit on March 23, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Another head-exploding question for Howard Dean:

How do you know you’re not being lied to now?

Apparently we were lied to about information we had on Iraq, not learning the truth until later. How do you know we’re not being lied to now, only to find out the truth later?

Oh, right, I remember: He supports or believes people based solely upon the party affiliation listed behind their name. He’s a shill.

amerpundit on March 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM

The dems really have come out as even more boldly duplicitous than the GOP. Oy, what’s a technocrat to do?

ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM

“He was for Peace before he was for War” –John Kerry

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM

…hey look, a football

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Or a NCAA bracket.

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM

The dems really have come out as even more boldly duplicitous than the GOP. Oy, what’s a technocrat to do?

ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Go gulching. Only problem, what does a technocrat barter for services?

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:33 PM

amerpundit on March 23, 2011 at 5:28 PM

The only mildly significant difference being that in Libya their local rebels struck first, while in Iraq there was no such movement. Either way, it is boldly duplicitous on Dean and the rest of the democrats’ part. It’s insane. Completely insane.

ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Props to the first person to post Dean’s “warmongers” comments.

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:34 PM

In Brazil

“…hey, look, another Jesus”

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:35 PM

This was very entertaining on Morning Joe this morning. The pretzel logic these democrats use to defend their own is amazing. Dean really looked like a major hypocrite. In fact, the whole panel seemed at a loss for words on the whole topic of Libya. Seems they all realized that everything on the topic of military intervention has already been said by them the last 10 years and there really was nothing more to say without being a hypocrite.

KickandSwimMom on March 23, 2011 at 5:36 PM

And then we’re going to Bahrain, and Qatar, and Kuwait, and UAE, and Saudi Arabia….YEEEEAARRGH!

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

With a cowboy hat riding a nuke.

the_nile on March 23, 2011 at 5:37 PM

The dems really have come out as even more boldly duplicitous than the GOP. Oy, what’s a technocrat to do?

ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Smarten up or stay stupid?

Odie1941 on March 23, 2011 at 5:37 PM

…is boldly duplicitous

ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 5:33 PM

You think?

When Dems like Obama said going to war without consent of Congress was wrong there was no “but if” provision for a civil war and an attack by the government. It was pretty straight forward.

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:38 PM

by or on*

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:39 PM

And then we’re going to Bahrain, and Qatar, and Kuwait, and UAE, and Saudi Arabia….YEEEEAARRGH!

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

You win, Sir. BYAHHH!

TruthBeTold2 on March 23, 2011 at 5:39 PM

After the last five years of the Dems calling us war criminals and now they want to start wars left and right. They’re scum, absolute scum. And this from Howard Dean the most anti-war guy in 04. It’s gotten to the point where I don’t discuss politics in public anymore because I’d be personally mad at Democrats. Can’t live life that way; just look after yourself.

IR-MN on March 23, 2011 at 5:39 PM

The only mildly significant difference being that in Libya their local rebels struck first, while in Iraq there was no such movement.

There was a movement in Iraq by “local rebels” after the first Gulf War in the hopes that we would intervene. Bush 41 refused to do so and Hussein made them pay dearly for it.

Erich66 on March 23, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Christien, for you.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Recall this dummy.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Too funny, CW! They’re all great, but I think I like “Operation Enduring Narcissism” best.

Alana on March 23, 2011 at 5:42 PM

When Dems like Obama said going to war without consent of Congress was wrong there was no “but if” provision for a civil war and an attack by the government. It was pretty straight forward.

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Oh, I remember. I agreed with the sentiment then, and I haven’t changed my mind. This is definitely one of those “party left me” moments.

ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Amazing Diplomacy…….,

yup,help’n out da Rebels who are backed by AQ!!!

Another Brilliant Superior Smart Power F”n Manouver!!

canopfor on March 23, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Sad sack piece o’ crap. Jeebus it’s fun to watch them spin as Hopey becomes what they always professed to hate.

Bishop on March 23, 2011 at 5:43 PM

What is this action doing tot he security of the UK and the world?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8400079/Libya-Navy-running-short-of-Tomahawk-missiles.html

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:43 PM

BTW,Listening to the Joe Show,

what a Clown Operation,apparently,every thing
is comedy!!

canopfor on March 23, 2011 at 5:44 PM

We are in Bizzaro world.

Up is down. Left is right.

portlandon on March 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM

The left is never right.

MississippiMom on March 23, 2011 at 5:45 PM

When the rebels, who wish not to be called “rebels” turn out to be in the majority jihadists there won’t be enough egg to cover a few faces.

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM

12. Operation Look Tough for 2012?

President George W. Bush has to be getting a good chuckle from watching the news lately.

slickwillie2001 on March 23, 2011 at 5:48 PM

What is this action doing tot he security of the UK and the world?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8400079/Libya-Navy-running-short-of-Tomahawk-missiles.html

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:43 PM

They have a larger stockpile of Stormshadow missiles (IIRC c.900) which is their version of the Tomahawk.

sharrukin on March 23, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Is there any Democrats,Liberals,Progressive Socialists,
in,near,or around,the Obama Administration,that might of
possessed any,

MILITARY EXPERIENCE!!!!

canopfor on March 23, 2011 at 5:48 PM

TruthBeTold2 on March 23, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Ohhh, I had forgotten about that. Thanks! BYAAHH!

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Great stuff! I was thinking more of Dean calling GOP or Repubs or teabaggers a bunch of warmongers.

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Hippo meet crit.

Yeeeeehaaaaahhh!

profitsbeard on March 23, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Alternate Names for the Libyan Adventure

13. Operation D’oh!

Emperor Norton on March 23, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Another case of a liberal saying whatever they need to in order to get into power…and water is wet. What puzzles me is how anyone in their right mind could ever believe anything that comes out of the mouth of these hypocritical @ssholes. Maybe it is a mental disorder afterall…

specialkayel on March 23, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Howling Howard……..dipshit extraordinaire!

AKA Hypocrite.

GarandFan on March 23, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Of course HoDo likes this war. We have no national interest in being there.

MJBrutus on March 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Opeartion OverThrow Thugs that Can Be Controlled
Or Boxed In,and Replaced By Freedom Seeking AQ,
To Help The Islamic Caliphate Along Mission!!

canopfor on March 23, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Operation Mirror, Mirror

MJBrutus on March 23, 2011 at 6:04 PM

I often wonder if they (democrats) are even aware of their hypocrisy. Or if they believe the average American is so dumb, they won’t get it?

Of all the people in the world to say that….Howard Dean? He simply confirms that to be a democrat, you must be devoid of any shame, morals or values. Unbelievable!

BruthaMan on March 23, 2011 at 6:11 PM

And then we’re going to Bahrain, and Qatar, and Kuwait, and UAE, and Saudi Arabia….YEEEEAARRGH! Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Brilliant.

Basilsbest on March 23, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I often wonder if they (democrats) are even aware of their hypocrisy. Or if they believe the average American is so dumb, they won’t get it?

They have good reason to believe the media won’t report it.

Basilsbest on March 23, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Howard Dean can justify anything he is for. As governor he changed the rules so that pregnant women could count their unborn children in determining eligibility for state medical assistance and then use that eligibility to get a state funded abortion.

By any means necessary.

Laurence on March 23, 2011 at 6:21 PM

This Howard Dean apologia proves conclusively that being a Democrat today is a form of serious mental illness.

coldwarrior on March 23, 2011 at 6:26 PM

What the Senator meant to say is, “It’s our turn.”

Kenosha Kid on March 23, 2011 at 6:26 PM

And then we’re going to Bahrain, and Qatar, and Kuwait, and UAE, and Saudi Arabia….YEEEEAARRGH!

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Awesome!

nukemhill on March 23, 2011 at 6:28 PM

CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Daily winner, ALL THREADS!

ExpressoBold on March 23, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Tell us, Howard… how does it feel to be a wh0re?

JohnGalt23 on March 23, 2011 at 6:33 PM

OMG, how do these people sleep at night?

ctmom on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Having the media, academia, and the entertainment industry completely in the tank for your side brings out the worst in people without them feeling one ounce of guilt about it.

Imagine a washed up rock star who hasn’t written a good song in 30 years, surrounded by a posse of hanger ons, who tell him that his latest recording is a masterpiece. Someone has the nerve to tell him that his new song sucks, and his posse pummels them, but it never gets reported to the press and no charges are filed. Now multiply that by 1,000,000, and you’ve got the modern day Democrat party.

ardenenoch on March 23, 2011 at 6:35 PM

The only thing the Democrats believe in is being in power. They will say and do anything to boot the opposition out.
Seeing that Obama is a total failure, Democrats will close ranks around him and support him.
Better to be in power with a bad President than not be in power. Being in power comes first, staying in power comes second, third, fourth, ad nauseum.

albill on March 23, 2011 at 6:47 PM

War is never the answer, unless the French support it.

-Howard Dean [March 23, 2011]

DeathB4Tyranny on March 23, 2011 at 6:48 PM

SOmeone in Vermont: please call Dr. Dean and let him know that there is a village missing its’ idiot…

Khun Joe on March 23, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Operation Watch Me Spend the Budget Cuts

jodetoad on March 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Operation Watch Me Spend the Budget Cuts

jodetoad on March 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM

More like: Operation Watch Me Justify Tax Hikes

Splashman on March 23, 2011 at 7:06 PM

where is dave….heard on special report that dear leader will NOT address the nation, just continue with the type of communication he has been doing thus far

are you freakin’ kidding me? he can’t even face the nation about this boondoggle

cmsinaz on March 23, 2011 at 7:15 PM

hypocrisy thy name is dean

pathetic

cmsinaz on March 23, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Is it just me or did capt. Yeeeeeeeeeehhhhhaaaaaaaahhhh! start dyeing his hair?

Pablo Snooze on March 23, 2011 at 7:19 PM

War is never the answer, unless the French support it. HEEEYYYYAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!

-Howard Dean [March 23, 2011]

DeathB4Tyranny on March 23, 2011 at 6:48 PM

FIXED

cableguy615 on March 23, 2011 at 7:42 PM

And then we’re going to Bahrain, and Qatar, and Kuwait, and UAE, and Saudi Arabia….YEEEEAARRGH!

Christien on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

I don’t see a need to go any further. We can shut down this thread now.

mizflame98 on March 23, 2011 at 7:56 PM

Neo-chickenhawks.

jpmn on March 23, 2011 at 8:01 PM

OMG, how do these people sleep at night?

ctmom on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

On a big pile of your money, with lots of DC prostitutes.

JohnGalt23 on March 23, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Replace the part about treating the UN as an afterthought with treating Congress as an afterthought and you’ve got a noninterventionist argument that’s easily adaptable to the present circumstances. Why didn’t Dean-o adapt it? You know why.

Yes. Dean’s hypocrisy knows no bounds.

rukiddingme on March 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM

It must make their ears ring to be so two faced.

petunia on March 23, 2011 at 8:46 PM

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