Gates: No timeline for end of Libyan mission
posted at 2:15 pm on March 23, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama has repeatedly insisted that the American role in the Libyan war will only last “days, not weeks,” although he has also said that US forces will remain engaged, and that the purpose of the operation is to “install a democratic system” while somehow not aiming at the removal of the dictator at the top. Got all that? Neither has Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who now insists that the Obama administration has “no timeline” for the end of operations in Libya, and he’s not sure how it will all end, either:
US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said on Wednesday there was no “timeline” for when UN-backed military operations in Libya would end, and that the outcome of the conflict remained unclear.
Speaking during a visit to Cairo, Gates said the UN Security Council resolution that authorised a no-fly zone was “not time-limited” and that it was unrealistic to expect military action to be over in a matter of weeks.
“So I think that there is no current timeline in terms of when it might end,” Gates told reporters. …
Gates said the outcome of the conflict remained unclear, and that it was possible that more figures in Kadhafi’s regime could turn against him or even members of his own family.
“I think there are any number of possible outcomes here and no one is in a position to predict them,” he said.
Gates may be speaking more generally about the overall coalition, but let’s face it: Obama can’t afford for this mission to go south now. He’s put himself on the hot spot by bypassing Congress, and if the UN coalition fails to prevent a genocide in Benghazi, Obama will take all of the blame for it, especially if he pulls the US out of the fight. Obama may cede operational command to another NATO member, but US forces will have to continue to take part in the operation.
Gates also acknowledged that the strikes came after much of the rebellion had fizzled out in the face of a brutal crackdown by Moammar Gaddafi’s forces. He hopes that the UN bombing will encourage more defiance, but no one’s sure whether that is actually happening. In fact, no one is sure of much of anything, including the nature of the rebellion, as Rolling Stone reported on Monday:
America is now at war to protect a Libyan province that’s been an epicenter of anti-American jihad.
In recent years, at mosques throughout eastern Libya, radical imams have been “urging worshippers to support jihad in Iraq and elsewhere,” according to WikiLeaked cables. More troubling: The city of Derna, east of Benghazi, was a “wellspring” of suicide bombers that targeted U.S. troops in Iraq. …
A West Point analysis of a cache of al Qaeda records discovered that nearly 20 percent of foreign fighters in Iraq were Libyans, and that on a per-capita basis Libya nearly doubled Saudi Arabia as the top source of foreign fighters.
The word “fighter” here is misleading. For the most part, Libyans didn’t go to Iraq to fight; they went to blow themselves up — along with American G.I.’s. (Among those whose “work” was detailed in the al Qaeda records, 85 percent of the Libyans were listed as suicide bombers.) Overwhelmingly, these militants came “from cities in North‐East Libya, an area long known for Jihadi‐linked militancy.”
The Jerusalem Post reports that the organization that recruited these jihadists are today expressing support for the rebellion:
A senior member of al Qaida urged Libyan rebels to continue their fight againstMuammar Gaddafi and warned of the consequences of defeat, in a videotaped message posted on Jihadi websites, the Qatar-based Gulf News reported on Sunday.
The message from Libya native, Abu Yahya al-Libi, marked the first time a top ranked al Qaida commander had commented on the uprising in Libya. Gaddafi has repeatedly blamed al Qaida for inciting the unrest against him.
AQ’s expressions of support are not solid evidence of, well, much of anything. They usually like to put spin on any event to make themselves look more relevant, and there isn’t any reason to believe their propaganda here and now. However, thus far we know very little about the nature of the rebels we seek to protect, and also thus far neither Obama nor any other leader within this coalition has bothered to try to explain their purpose. That West Point analysis certainly gives us some reason for skepticism about the nature of this rebellion.
In response to the murky nature of this fight and the manner in which Obama started it, the House will soon schedule hearings on the use of force, according to The Hill’s sources in Congress:
The House Foreign Affairs Committee is planning a hearing next week on the U.S. intervention in Libya, the first formal congressional inquiry into the five-day-old military campaign.
A senior committee aide told The Hill on Wednesday that Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) was eyeing a hearing when Congress returns from recess. The hearing “is still in the planning stages,” the aide said.
The inquiry comes amid complaints from lawmakers in both parties about the extent of consultation by the Obama administration with Congress about a military operation. The White House held one official briefing for congressional leaders on Friday, before airstrikes began and before President Obama left on an overseas trip, and a group of committee aides received a classified briefing on Tuesday at the Capitol.
Requests for additional briefings for members have thus far been ignored, the aide said.
Stonewalling Congress is an odd strategy for someone who promised to bring new transparency to Washington. Then again, they may be ignoring these requests because the administration may have no idea what’s going on. Better to look secretive than to be exposed as ignorant, I suppose, but neither will help win Congressional support for this botched effort to flex American muscle.









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Odyssey.
MNHawk on March 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM
“We’ve gotta get out of this hole! Dig faster!”
teke184 on March 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM
We know what we’re doing
Kini on March 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Brilliant! We’ve got them right where we want them! What?
Kenosha Kid on March 23, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Genius Power.
aquaviva on March 23, 2011 at 2:20 PM
Share, repeat, spread around by the millions. THIS is Obama’s ‘leadership’.
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:20 PM
If “not weeks” then it would have to be less than fourteen days…no?
d1carter on March 23, 2011 at 2:20 PM
Talk about picking your poison.
Doughboy on March 23, 2011 at 2:21 PM
The Magic Eight Ball Method of Prosecuting a War By Committee.
“Tray Again Later.”
kingsjester on March 23, 2011 at 2:21 PM
It will be nice if for once BHO would not be able to vote, “Present.”
INC on March 23, 2011 at 2:21 PM
Yeah, but, er, maybe the jihadists will really like us now.
John the Libertarian on March 23, 2011 at 2:22 PM
especially because, his presidency is doing just that—both literally and figuratively.
ted c on March 23, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Operation Screwing My Pet Goat
ted c on March 23, 2011 at 2:22 PM
This is a historical precedent: Fastest Military Action Resulting in a Quagmire.
..chalk it up.
ted c on March 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM
I wonder if Gates is squirming because he doesn’t want to be set up as the fall guy.
INC on March 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM
Heh.
INC on March 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM
The MSM is not focused enough on the nature of the rebels. This will be a huge embarrassment to the U.S., if the rebels, who don’t wish to be called “rebels” are found out to be in great part terrorists or sympathizers.
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:25 PM
I miss rummy….gates seems little to passive to be a secdef
in the middle of his bio…good tome
cmsinaz on March 23, 2011 at 2:26 PM
That is some decent reporting from Rolling Stones.
WoosterOh on March 23, 2011 at 2:26 PM
*passing a slurpee*
cmsinaz on March 23, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Let me guess: Obama says timelines for withdrawal are bad policy, right? He says it emboldens the enemy and projects weakness, right?
Oy
Rational Thought on March 23, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Perfect!
+1
cmsinaz on March 23, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Hasn’t the left always been pining for “another Vietnam”?
Looks like their prayers have been answered.
Rebar on March 23, 2011 at 2:27 PM
and now Reuters is reporting that NATO diplomats have failed to agree to take over the mission!
stormin1961 on March 23, 2011 at 2:28 PM
i think that one tops the OOTD version :)
cmsinaz on March 23, 2011 at 2:28 PM
Obama the “Bam-Wow!” guy.
Hi folks! We’re going to overthrow an entrenched military dictator in a solidly America hating muslim country and instill western democracy in a matter of days! THATS RIGHT…DAYS!!!
But wait… there’s more! We’re gonna do it without going to war or putting troops on the ground!
And we’ll do it as a committee with dozens of other countries with differing and competing levels of interest and participation and shared leadership!!!
Alden Pyle on March 23, 2011 at 2:28 PM
“Excuse me Mr. Gates, but you left your resume in the copy machine”.
Rebar on March 23, 2011 at 2:29 PM
It’s not a war, but what is it?
It’s not blessed by Congress, only by the U.N.
It must be paid by Congress, though
It has no mission
It has no leader/s
When is it over?
What then?
Civil war and splitting of Libya?
What is U.N. role, other than pontificate?
Where is Hillary in the last few days?
Libya s/b Europe’s challenge – they benefit from her oil.
Where is Obama?
Above all, where are the U.S. American people? Wake up or suffer the consequences!
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:29 PM
American troops will die, and the blood of this will be on Obama. Not to mention the suspicion. If he wasn’t told of any of this info, I’d truly be shocked. I think he knew, and went ahead anyway.
The true reasons will be revealed eventually, and they won’t be good.
capejasmine on March 23, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Operation Odious
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:31 PM
lololol
cmsinaz on March 23, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Like 365 days?
tommer74 on March 23, 2011 at 2:32 PM
Aren’t we still in Bosnia? Seem to recall being told back in ’93-’94 that our being there was only for a short time…totally humanitarian and all that.
No, Gates does not need to present a precise timeline for our involvement to end. That’s be dumb. Just like it was dumb for the Dems to insist that Bush provide the world with a precise timeline for withdrawal from Iraq or Afghanistan.
But, Gates needs to sit down with his boss eye-ball to eye-ball and get into some details as to the basics, such as what is our purpose in Libya, and what are the parameters of what we will or will not do…and not go out and tell the press immediately after leaving the Oval Office, either.
One line of questions I’d like to see answered soon, real soon, is who are these Libyan’s we are “protecting?”
Are they merely poor oppressed Libyans straining under the yoke of Gadaffi? Or are they Ikhwan or Al-Qaeda in Africa? Who is/are their leader(s)? Is this a tribal thing or does it transcend tribalism? And who will take over once Gadaffi has made his exit?
If none of these questions can be answered by the Administration with clarity, I’d demand that the entire lot resign, Gates included, and our forces in the region stand down.
coldwarrior on March 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Operation Odious Down
heh
ted c on March 23, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Quag-moammar!
chimney sweep on March 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Something sinister is going on. This is not even believable.
Key West Reader on March 23, 2011 at 2:37 PM
Hey, Gates, I’m going to make a prediction. Qaddafi survives, the coalition falls apart and leaves, Qaddafi calls for Libya’s tribes cut a bunch of deals and bribes all around, oil contracts are re-negotiated, Qaddafi launches a few reprisal terrorist attacks, life goes on. Not necessarily in that order, but that’s my prediction.
Christien on March 23, 2011 at 2:37 PM
I know there’s modern tech and all, but it would probably help if the top guys were maybe in the same room at some point before or during a military intervention.
No stupid, dig up!
/Obama
jarodea on March 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM
LOL
Key West Reader on March 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM
This is what Qdaffy was saying before Obama sprung into action on a dime. What if Qdaffy was right and it is Al-Q that is behind these revolts? Oye. Vey.
Key West Reader on March 23, 2011 at 2:40 PM
I don’t want to give the big O any credit, but I believe the NFZ operation is a cover to get in to Libya to take out some high value AQ baddies.
AZCON on March 23, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Other than as a rhetorical device to rub the libtards’ faces in their descent into Teh Stupid of 2001-2008, any discussion of “timelines” is infantile.
A Balrog of Morgoth on March 23, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Of course there’s no “timeline”. Can’t be when you’re making crap up day to day, hour to hour.
GarandFan on March 23, 2011 at 2:41 PM
Hilarious!
Alana on March 23, 2011 at 2:41 PM
These things are easy to get into but harder to get out of.
Just imagine ten years from now: “Libya’s democracy is emerging into the light of day as Libyan national elections were held last week amid large-scale terrorist attacks, with the Eternal Jihad Party getting 60.2% of votes. U.S. forces will have to stay for another 30 years in order to stabilise Libya…”
aengus on March 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM
Thanks for the clarificatin, Mr. Gates.
One question for you: Who’s on first?
Really Right on March 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM
7 minutes or so ago:
NATO fails to agree on taking over Libya mission
INC on March 23, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Obama farted around for weeks before jumping in, but he found time to get permission from the U.N. and Arab League before going in. Yet, he didn’t have time to get Congress’ permission? Now I see why: he didn’t know how to answer “What’s your timeline?”,”How long will this take?”, “What is the objective and how will you know when it is reached?”, “What will success look like?”
cartooner on March 23, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Operation Screwing
My Pet GoatThe Pooch.FIFY!
belad on March 23, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Thanks for getting the reference. Obama = Chief Wiggum all right.
teke184 on March 23, 2011 at 2:43 PM
I’m having a difficult time deciding whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater role in this administration…??
PatriotRider on March 23, 2011 at 2:44 PM
Awwwright! Put the spotlight on it.
While they’re at it, maybe they’d like to ask Mr. Biden to elaborate on his impeachment comments.
petefrt on March 23, 2011 at 2:44 PM
The only reason we should be in Libya is to kill Qaddafi and now they have taken that off the table…I think?
This is not good!
sharrukin on March 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Hubris + Incompetence (of whatever form) = Disaster
INC on March 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Rumsfield sums this up nicely…..
Rumsfeld: Obama Did Not Go To Congress Because He Didn’t Know What To Ask For
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/03/22/rumsfeld_obama_did_not_go_to_congress_because_he_didnt_know_what_to_ask_for.html
..this clusterf#ck is what you get when a failed community organizer is running the show.
Baxter Greene on March 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Rumsfield sums this up nicely…..
Rumsfeld: Obama Did Not Go To Congress Because He Didn’t Know What To Ask For
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/03/22/rumsfeld_obama_did_not_go_to_congress_because_he_didnt_know_what_to_ask_for.html
..this clusterf#%k is what you get when a failed community organizer is running the show.
Baxter Greene on March 23, 2011 at 2:46 PM
That’s pretty much a daily occurrence.
sharrukin on March 23, 2011 at 2:47 PM
What if?
What if these guys from Benghazi are actually all associated with AQ in Africa? Or are card-carrying members of the Islamic Brotherhood? What if the US, the UN, and NATO were to be instrumental in installing a major sized chunk of land as a cornerstone for the New Caliphate?
Why hasn’t Egypt, who in recent times had penetrated just about every level of Gadaffi’s government, come out with anything about who is doing what to whom in Libya?
There’s gonna be falafal over over Obama’s face if we end up backing the really real bad guys in this one.
coldwarrior on March 23, 2011 at 2:47 PM
It’s not just the genocide. If Daffy remains, Scooter loses and the whole world knows it. But, he won’t be taken out without some ground troops who know what they are doing. Checkmate, Barry.
a capella on March 23, 2011 at 2:47 PM
Means that U.S. America is the only country at war with herself.
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:47 PM
Ahhhh, diplomacy, I mean smart diplomacy.
If you ask me that term should be forever more an oxymoron up there with the favorites like jumbo shrimp and militar yintelligence.
jarodea on March 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM
Thanks. Juggling a hot potato is never fun.
a capella on March 23, 2011 at 2:51 PM
That link is hilarious! Bam-Clown!
Key West Reader on March 23, 2011 at 2:52 PM
How will he blame GWB for this?
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:52 PM
The best exit strategy is impeachment.
Emperor Norton on March 23, 2011 at 2:53 PM
I agree!!! I really believe things are far worse than we realize. I just have a bad feeling on this one. Like we’re being sold out, and it’s just a matter of time before we see the evidence of that.
capejasmine on March 23, 2011 at 2:54 PM
Its kinda how I see this going. It sounded like a good idea to kill Qaddafi but just before the sedative hits…
sharrukin on March 23, 2011 at 2:54 PM
This is what I find funny. Bush got congressional approval and since all those dems voted aye we could later use their flip-flopping against them. It even somewhat weakened them with their own party. Now O can’t do that. He did this on his own with not even the cover of military approval. All he has is 3 women and the UN and apparently even that is going south. NATO won’t even play in Os sandbox. Whatever anyone thinks about the right or wrong of this fiasco I can’t see any good political outcome for him. He can’t play the blame game here. I guarantee you Hil ain’t about to take all the heat for this and she will blow this up in his face if he tries it.
hboulware on March 23, 2011 at 2:55 PM
Begs this question – when will the U.S. get out of Germany?
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:56 PM
Means that U.S. America is the only country at war with herself.
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:47 PM
..……
That began in Jan ’09.
pambi on March 23, 2011 at 2:56 PM
Have you seen this video !
Donald Trump on the View: Obama Needs to Show His Birth Certificate
http://conservativeblogscentral.blogspot.com/2011/03/donald-trump-on-view-obama-needs-to.html
Nearly Nobody on March 23, 2011 at 2:56 PM
Operation Screwing
FIFY
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:57 PM
It’s sad to think that Hillary is only one in the administration with an exit strategy.
chimney sweep on March 23, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Some are is cracking jokes about this…..it isn’t funny! We are witnessing the eclipse of America as a world leader.
Someone correct me, but if America concedes leadership of this NFZ to some kind of committee….wouldn’t that be the first time in history that the American Military performed under orders from anyone but an American leader? Seriously….this may be a “Coalition” by the dictionary definition, but NONE of this would be possible without American military power and investment, it is the same as with Iraq….sure I saw a few “coalition” guys in Kuwait, or some of the bigger bases…..but out on the road it was 90% american, the rest was some Brits(who we saw alot, I’m not bashing them) private contractors(also 90%American) and sometimes Iraqi army/police.
A coalition that is filled 90% by one country isn’t a coalition…it’s a fig-leaf.
Mord on March 23, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Really not good news.
ClusterF%^&, more like.
Sir Napsalot on March 23, 2011 at 2:59 PM
You can take it to the bank that we are. But you know this already, good one.
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 2:59 PM
Time to impeach, and time to start shopping around for a 3rd party.
ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 3:00 PM
Maybe Hollywood will make a new Libya movie “No Way Out”, you think?
Who should be ‘starring’ for Obama?
Sir Napsalot on March 23, 2011 at 3:00 PM
Yep.
She’s placed herself perfectly. If it goes well, she’ll say “awe shucks, it was a team effort and it was the right thing to do” while she gets fawning praise.
If it doesn’t go well?: She just clams up and everybody dumps on Barry. What’s Barry going to say? “It was her fault!”
You own it Barry.
WisRich on March 23, 2011 at 3:01 PM
If George Soros has his way, it’d be someone resembling the late Lincoln T. M. A. Perry’s favorite film persona. /
coldwarrior on March 23, 2011 at 3:04 PM
I don’t think the Democratic party is going to miss your one vote.
CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 3:04 PM
lock. stock and barrel
cmsinaz on March 23, 2011 at 3:05 PM
We need to identify the Libyans who put the Brits and French up to this. Sure, they will present a very “progressive” face, but let’s dig deeper on these Libyans and their associations in Libya and the Arab world. Six degrees of
Kevin BaconOsama bin Laden?Christien on March 23, 2011 at 3:06 PM
But, but… It all would have worked if the coalition had eaten the rainbow skittles and hung in there with me !!!
This world-oranizin’s hard !!
I’m gonna go eat me some worms !
Wahhhhhhhh !
pambi on March 23, 2011 at 3:06 PM
I can’t imagine a scenario in which the Bamster gets out of this mess without serious humiliation and major bad consequences.
Yep, he owns it. But Gates and Shrillary better watch their backs. Barry will be desperate for scapegoats.
petefrt on March 23, 2011 at 3:07 PM
Seriously dude….if you can’t stomach voting for a Republican and you really are disgusted by Democrats…..do us all a favor and don’t even vote. 3rd party candidates only favor incumbents.
Mord on March 23, 2011 at 3:07 PM
The rebels, who no longer wish to be called “rebels” were asked:
“Who is your leader?” “No one”
“What is your aim?” “To get rid of Gaddafi”
“What do you wish after that?” “Nothing”
“What kind of government do you wish after him?” “None”
“Whom do you wish as your leader?” “No one but Allah”
No kidding.
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 3:11 PM
Are you kidding? ernie will vote, at least 5 times, for Obama.
Schadenfreude on March 23, 2011 at 3:13 PM
SURPRISE !!!
Huffpo headline virtually claims victory !!!!!
Joy and skittles all over, Dukky’s genocide’s been stopped !!
I kid you NOT !!!
Ok, then, bring our kids home, NOW Barry !!
Right ?? Right ??
pambi on March 23, 2011 at 3:14 PM
pambi if that is the case just wait for the next time a GOPer goes to war in this manner. Should be interesting.
CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 3:16 PM
Perhaps not, but I have no other choice. I can’t vote for a republican, and I can’t vote for Obama.
ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 3:16 PM
AlJazeera:
Looks like we’re going after ammo dumps and ground troops as part of the NFZ concept. Norway is afraid of bombing civilians and the U.S. will be bombing ground troops. Huh?
a capella on March 23, 2011 at 3:17 PM
When it comes down to it…you will. That is you.
CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 3:19 PM
If this administration can’t even manage to find the simple goal of:
1) destroy Qaddaffies mechanized military equipment (planes, tanks, etc.). End time: he only has so many tanks an planes.
2) maintain a blockade on military equipment to Qaddaffi’s forces. End time: indefinite, but routine.
…then they should be laughed out of office.
Count to 10 on March 23, 2011 at 3:20 PM
I can’t. Not with his DEA raids, not with his whitepaper on IP enforcement, not with this wag the dog Libyan war. I really cannot.
ernesto on March 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM
We have a combination of the Three Stooges, F-Troop, the Keystone Cops and the Manchurian Candidate running the country into the ground. Is this a dream and can I please wake up???
retiredeagle on March 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM
Another open-minded liberal?
CWforFreedom on March 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM
Also, it looks like mission creep is going on as we speak. So much for smart power. See my last post.
retiredeagle on March 23, 2011 at 3:23 PM
That brings up an interesting thought: What if Barry does try to blame Hillary if things go bad?
It’s the perfect excuse for Hillary to pull the jetison cord and then starting a covert campaign against Obama. I don’t she’ll run in 2012 but she could work to find someone to primary Obama.
WisRich on March 23, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Can’t, or won’t?
I’m sure when the day comes, you will somehow justify, and rationalize your vote. For Obama.
capejasmine on March 23, 2011 at 3:28 PM
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