White House reassures congressional aides: Er, we’re not at war with Libya

posted at 7:15 pm on March 22, 2011 by Allahpundit

If you say so, champ.

Aides in attendance said the administration didn’t shed much new light on the situation.

“You learn more by having read the paper,” one said…

When asked, White House officials told congressional aides that the United States is not at war with Libya, sources told POLITICO.

In addition, administration officials emphasized that the president plans to hand over control to the coalition and that the actions taken by the president are in compliance with the War Powers Act.

This is aimed, I assume, at blunting Lugar’s demand for a declaration of war, but you don’t even need to go that far to find Obama’s actions wanting. A choice bit from the War Powers Resolution with which he claims to be in compliance:

The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations.

The resolution goes on to say that he can send forces into battle for 60 days before requiring congressional authorization (which explains why he keeps hitting his talking point that this will all be over in days, not weeks), but if you take the prefatory language quoted above seriously, the only circumstance in which he’s allowed to act without Congress is when there’s some sort of national emergency that requires an instant response. He had plenty of time during his weeks of dithering about Libya to “consult with Congress” before ordering action here, but as Ace said earlier, the only debate The One seems to think he needs is a confab at the United Nations. Once they say okay, he’s got all the moral/legal authority he needs. Revealing.

He’s cutting short his Latin America trip to come home early, perhaps realizing that even though we’re “not at war,” the photos of him kicking around a soccer ball while Air Force pilots are flying bombing raids over Tripoli won’t play well next year. Meanwhile, here’s Hillary making a bit of news during an interview with ABC by hinting that Qaddafi’s inner circle might be headed for the lifeboats. Aside from partition, deposing this nut is the only way out for the coalition if the military stalemate on the ground holds. Just one question: Is she telling the truth, or is this a psy op on her part aimed at making Qaddafi and his advisors paranoid towards each other?

“We’ve heard about other people close to him reaching out to people that they know around the world — Africa, the Middle East, Europe, North America, beyond — saying what do we do? How do we get out of this? What happens next?” Clinton said in an exclusive interview. “I’m not aware that he personally has reached out, but I do know that people allegedly on his behalf have been reaching out.”

“Some of it is theater. Some of it is, you know, kind of, shall we say game playing, to try to do one message to one group, another message to somebody else,” she added. “A lot of it is just the way he behaves. It’s somewhat unpredictable. But some of it, we think, is exploring. You know, what are my options, where could I go, what could I do. And we would encourage that.”

She’s also “very relaxed” about the coming handover, you’ll be pleased to know, even though no one’s sure what we’re handing off to yet. Remember: This is the administration that branded itself as “smart power” when it took office.


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Looks like war.

Sounds like war.

Tasted like war.

Sure glad we didn’t step in it.

JohnGalt23 on March 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Another to add to the long list of: “What if Bush did it?”

Obama can’t even be consistent with his own principles.

Scrappy on March 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM

This is one huge d1ck dance.

Rhinoboy on March 22, 2011 at 7:25 PM

I agree… Handover to who???

sandee on March 22, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Col Gaddafi’s words in front of his damaged Bab Al-Aziziya compound in Tripoli:

“I do not fear storms that sweep the horizon, nor do I fear the planes that throw black destruction. I am resistant, my house is here in my tent [...] I am the rightful owner, and the creator of tomorrow. I, I am here!”.

Limerick on March 22, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Once they say okay, he’s got all the moral/legal authority he needs. Revealing.

Yes, yes it is very revealing and disquieting

fourdeucer on March 22, 2011 at 7:28 PM

This clown administration has no idea what is happening from day to day and person to person.

I’m sure someone asked the Head Clown what they should do and got a blank stare in return; PBHO is in so far over his head it’s scary.

Bishop on March 22, 2011 at 7:31 PM

Wow, I was worried all for nothing.

G M on March 22, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Please, no attacks, since only GOD knows what the full repercussions would actually be, but… (certainly the WH hasn’t any clue)…
am I the only one who ‘hopes he fails’ ??
Methinks a lot of you at least know what I mean.
God help our troops.

pambi on March 22, 2011 at 7:32 PM

No, this isn’t war. This is a police action. /

portlandon on March 22, 2011 at 7:32 PM

The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities…”

You would think that more members of Congress would be pressing this point…

Seven Percent Solution on March 22, 2011 at 7:33 PM

I think the downed US jet this morning made him realize he had to come home.

MayBee on March 22, 2011 at 7:33 PM

I think the downed US jet this morning made him realize he had to come home.

MayBee on March 22, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Yeah…shook him up so much he cut his schedule by two hours.

Limerick on March 22, 2011 at 7:35 PM

You just don’t know what it looks like when the worlds betters and the adults are in charge because, this is what it looks like.

When Hillary runs and has to clean up Obama’s mess in Libya will it still be Bush’s fault.

tjexcite on March 22, 2011 at 7:35 PM

FoxNews showing the flying tanks the coalition shot down while enforcing the no-fly zone.

When will the news report on the rebels shooting at their own people when they shoot at the Libyan army? They always report the Libyan army shooting at their own people when they shoot at the rebels.

WoosterOh on March 22, 2011 at 7:35 PM

Is Hillary the default president while Comrade Barry is in exile in S. America?

joe btfsplk on March 22, 2011 at 7:36 PM

He’s giving up seeing Mayan ruins. As cool as that would have been for him personally, imagine the horrible optics of POTUS sightseeing abroad if something else happened to our guys.

MayBee on March 22, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Are we going to have to tax the rich more to pay for this?
Seems like the most sensible thing to do.

a capella on March 22, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Ok, launching cruise missiles at someone is an act of war, but it’s not war-war, if you know what I mean.

G M on March 22, 2011 at 7:38 PM

I think the downed US jet this morning made him realize he had to come home.
MayBee on March 22, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Eh, more likely Michelle Antoinette exhausted the local supply of lobster and maxed out the credit cards.

Bishop on March 22, 2011 at 7:38 PM

She’s also “very relaxed” about the coming handover, you’ll be pleased to know, even though no one’s sure what we’re handing off to yet. Remember: This is the administration that branded itself as “smart power” when it took office.

One glance at the still in the video, below this statement, and one knows she’s not relaxed. Lately she looks like a wash cloth that hasn’t been laundered for a month. For crying out loud, doesn’t someone in her circle have the good sense that she ought to represent the U.S. when she leaves her bed?

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Oh, yeah, it’s all fun and games till someone puts an eye out.

Robert17 on March 22, 2011 at 7:39 PM

He’s coming home because he’s not featured in the media enough from there.

The Libya non-war has taken over the coverage of HIM, and/or made him secondary. He can’t suffer that lightly.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Is it okay to support the troops but not the president?

fourdeucer on March 22, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Where’s Joe , the foreign policy expert?

the_nile on March 22, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Yes, and the choco ration is going up 5 grams!

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 22, 2011 at 7:41 PM

One glance at the still in the video, below this statement, and one knows she’s not relaxed. Lately she looks like a wash cloth that hasn’t been laundered for a month. For crying out loud, doesn’t someone in her circle have the good sense that she ought to represent the U.S. when she leaves her bed?

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Hey, you try drinking all that vodka and we’ll see how good you look after a month.

We can’t all have tiger blood.

G M on March 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM

He’s giving up seeing Mayan ruins. As cool as that would have been for him personally, imagine the horrible optics of POTUS sightseeing abroad if something else happened to our guys.

MayBee on March 22, 2011 at 7:36 PM

This is a genuine disappointment for him since his purpose in life is to destroy civilizations – like ours.

ericdijon on March 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM

we’re not at war with Libya

It should be pointed out that the area known to proles as “Libya” is within the disputed area, and is not part of either Eurasia or Eastasia (with we are, and always have been, at war).

malclave on March 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Revealing.

This whole mess has been revealing of the contempt of law, disregard for Congress and disrespect for US sovereignty, as well the general all-round incompetency of this administration.

INC on March 22, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Jeez, who’s doing Hillary’s hair these days?

A starling?

aquaviva on March 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM

I agree… Handover to who???

sandee on March 22, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Haven’t you heard?……
to the “Polical steering commitee”.

Lord help us. *sigh*

http://www.therightscoop.com/bolton-obama-putting-american-troops-in-danger/

tencole on March 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM

White House officials told congressional aides that the United States is not at war with Libya

Is it OK to bomb Iran w/o going to war as well?

Freddy on March 22, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Well, it’s not a war, war.

Alden Pyle on March 22, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Hey, you try drinking all that vodka and we’ll see how good you look after a month.

We can’t all have tiger blood.

G M on March 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Not into Vodka but thanks for the laughs.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Cruise missiles, imposition of a NFZ, and active air strikes to enforce a No Drive Zone.

Yupp, that`s a peacetime party right there!

Why do they constantly do the wrong and idiotic moves, EVEN when they do not have too? The treading water administration in action!

bluemarlin on March 22, 2011 at 7:50 PM

“very relaxed”….
Ap, what a nice way of saying
haggard, brow beaten and just plain dog tired.

tencole on March 22, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Coming from the same admin that said…”if you like your doctor….you can keep your doctor”…is very reassuring…

katy on March 22, 2011 at 7:51 PM

I am so glad Hillary is SoS and not Kerry right now (and every other day and night).

Look someone who knows they are supposed to USE the media to send out ‘psyops and assorted type messages’ to the enemy (as opposed to announcing our military limitations off the bat as Obama does).

I think Arab League said no NATO only lead, and Turkey was pixxed already blocking NATO lead, Erdogan is going to be a big problem soon it seems like, and they seem to be building an IASF type leadership council like we use in AfPak coalition.

I am sure Hillary will make sure she has veto power over ANY US Troop moves/US Military use.

I heard that France suggested the panel be run by ‘Foreign ministers’ so it sounds like Hillary will get to finally lead. We all know Obama wont and cant.

ginaswo on March 22, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Epic Leadership in Action — Check the headlines on Drudge:

Allies in disarray…
No one wants to run war…
French PM: ‘We are not at war’…
France: ‘Political Steering Committee’ To Oversee No-Fly Zone…
Stalemate Feared…
US rescue chopper shoots 6 villagers welcoming pilots of downed jet…
WH: Goal to Install ‘Democratic System’…
…BACKTRACKS

DaMav on March 22, 2011 at 7:53 PM

A Political Steering Committee is going to take over command and control? They must shop out every word and phrase they utter to try and distort the facts.

fourdeucer on March 22, 2011 at 7:55 PM

This is freaking Orwellian.

we’ve never been at war with Libya just like we’ve never been at war with Eastasia…

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 7:56 PM

So, if we’re not at war, are our forces getting “combat zone” pay? If someone is wounded, will they receive a purple heart award?

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 7:57 PM

On the Non-War:

Tensions with Britain as Gates rebukes UK government over suggestion Gaddafi could be assassinated
French propose a new political ‘committee’ to oversee operations

Germany pulls equipment out of NATO coalition over disagreement over campaign’s direction

Italians accuse French of backing NATO in exchange for oil contracts

No-fly zone called into question after first wave of strikes ‘neutralises’ Libyan military machine
U.K. ministers say war could last ’30 years’

Italy to ‘take back control’ of bases used by allies unless NATO leadership put in charge of the mission

Russians tell U.S. to stop bombing in order to protect civilians – calls bombing a ‘crusade’

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Nobel is proud.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 8:02 PM

The Congress cannot let this one pass.

ronsfi on March 22, 2011 at 8:03 PM

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 8:01 PM

heh. That sure is some non-war we got going on over there.

Meanwhile, USAF aviators and USN crews are certainly NOT enjoying mojitos and jackassery with the jovenes and a soccer ball.

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 8:04 PM

In addition, administration officials emphasized that the president plans to hand over control to the coalition

I smell an International War Czar nomination upcoming….c’mon, who’s up for another CZAR!

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 8:07 PM

We’re not at war with Libya, huh? Gee, thanks, that totally reassures me that these screw-ups in the Obama administration actually know what they’re doing in Libya. I bet the Americans risking their lives over there are reassured by this, too. /sarc

Aitch748 on March 22, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Well, if we call Goofy a criminal, then this can all be just a police action, right? Nothing to see here. Move along.

bofh on March 22, 2011 at 8:08 PM

The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances

before? that means like ‘three days after’ no?

I stand corrected, I thought he was in compliance…I was wrong. ah well.

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 8:09 PM

The grotesque competition between Britain, France and America to see who can fire the most missiles at Libya confirms the emergence of a new form of Western militarism. This is not the return of the politics of Empire or a re-flourishing of Western colonialism in north Africa, as some have claimed.Rather it is the barbarism of buffoons. This is an act of violence driven not by clear geopolitical interests, but by the utter failure of modern Western governments to work out what their geopolitical interests are and to act accordingly. In the rubble of various compounds and airfields in Libya, we can spy the incoherence of the Western political elites, and their elevation of the reckless, narcissistic politics of short-term gain over anything resembling a strategy or aim.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 8:09 PM

He’s giving up seeing Mayan ruins. As cool as that would have been for him personally, imagine the horrible optics of POTUS sightseeing abroad if something else happened to our guys.

MayBee on March 22, 2011 at 7:36 PM

He can see the Mayan Ruins in 2012, along with the rest of us.

Naturally Curly on March 22, 2011 at 8:09 PM

He’s giving up seeing Mayan ruins. As cool as that would have been for him personally, imagine the horrible optics of POTUS sightseeing abroad if something else happened to our guys.

MayBee on March 22, 2011 at 7:36 PM

considering his pagan interest in the practice of abortion, seeing the Mayan ruins would’ve put him right at home, no?..

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 8:11 PM

White House reassures congressional aides: Er, we’re not at war with Libya

(Obama press conference):

We’re just shooting at Lybians and bombing their homes and hardware every chance we get…for no apparent reason because the UN ordered us to do it, and I voted “Present” “Temporarily Unavailable due to important Road Trip”.

But it’s not a war…just a military hissy fit. And it’s all Bush’s fault!

Now no more questions on that: Aren’t you going to ask me about my pickup soccer game?
/SARC>

landlines on March 22, 2011 at 8:13 PM

I am sure Hillary will make sure she has veto power over ANY US Troop moves/US Military use.

I heard that France suggested the panel be run by ‘Foreign ministers’ so it sounds like Hillary will get to finally lead. We all know Obama wont and cant.

ginaswo on March 22, 2011 at 7:53 PM

You find comfort in this? Nobody elected Hillary. In fact, she was specifically NOT ELECTED.

Naturally Curly on March 22, 2011 at 8:16 PM

It’s a war, and we’re just ‘air raidin’ villages and killin’ civilians…’

change.

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Call this what they will, we are waging war — while still engaged in two other fronts — which will likely require substantial resources over a long period of time,” Representative John Larson, chairman of the Democratic caucus in the House of Representatives, said in a commentary on CNN.com.

Says a Democrat.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 8:19 PM

On the Non-War:

Tensions with Britain as Gates rebukes UK government over suggestion Gaddafi could be assassinated
French propose a new political ‘committee’ to oversee operations

Germany pulls equipment out of NATO coalition over disagreement over campaign’s direction

Italians accuse French of backing NATO in exchange for oil contracts

No-fly zone called into question after first wave of strikes ‘neutralises’ Libyan military machine
U.K. ministers say war could last ’30 years’

Italy to ‘take back control’ of bases used by allies unless NATO leadership put in charge of the mission

Russians tell U.S. to stop bombing in order to protect civilians – calls bombing a ‘crusade’

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Simply amazing.

G M on March 22, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Caught nakid

The uproar appears to have caught the administration off guard and with Obama out of position to offer a sustained counter-argument.

Same link, as above.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 8:20 PM

The uproar appears to have caught the administration off guard and with Obama out of position to offer a sustained counter-argument.

Why he’s coming home early.

Schadenfreude on March 22, 2011 at 8:23 PM

White House reassures congressional aides: Er, we’re not at war with Libya

Yeah, we just like to buzz over Libya and launch missiles just for the hell of it.

mizflame98 on March 22, 2011 at 8:39 PM

He’s cutting short his Latin America trip to come home early, perhaps realizing that even though we’re “not at war,” the photos of him kicking around a soccer ball while Air Force pilots are flying bombing raids over Tripoli won’t play well next year.

Yes, and the campaign ads he’s most worried about are Hillary’s.

SukieTawdry on March 22, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Did I miss some post here today. I was just reading over at GatwayPundit that Obama told reporters today that Qadaffi could stay if he changes his approach and institutes reforms, or something.

Could someone maintain a chronological list of the Obama Administration’s positions so when I check in on it and look at my watch, I can see if I am current in knowing what we are doing?

Dusty on March 22, 2011 at 8:46 PM

This is not a War — well it is –but it ain’t — our Military sure is getting lots of O.J.T. and it’s been going on since 1776 … more or less … what is the Marine Hymm — from the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli…

wheels on March 22, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Oh, and it looks like Israel is hitting Gaza with air strikes right now. Good thing that’s not war-war.

G M on March 22, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Did I miss some post here today. I was just reading over at

GatwayPundit that Obama told reporters today that Qadaffi could stay if he changes his approach and institutes reforms, or something.

Could someone maintain a chronological list of the Obama Administration’s positions so when I check in on it and look at my watch, I can see if I am current in knowing what we are doing?

Dusty on March 22, 2011 at 8:46 PM

I bet the people at the State Department and Pentagon are wanting the same thing right now.

G M on March 22, 2011 at 8:56 PM

The United States Air Forces in Europe (USAFE) used parts of Libya as a live fire training range (by agreement, of course) until Ghaddafi overthrew King Idris and abrogated the deal… which still had two years to go.

So, now that we’ve decided Ghaddafi is an illegitimate ruler, maybe we’re unilaterally bringing back the arrangement with the old government and using the two years of range time that’s still on the meter?

Not war, training.

Well, it’s a thought. If the Obama administration wants to use it, I won’t even insist on credit.

PersonFromPorlock on March 22, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Barack, Sir Vey of Cayshun.

Obama’s Crusader crest would be a pair of crossed mashie niblicks over a glowing basketball.

profitsbeard on March 22, 2011 at 9:00 PM

No, this isn’t war. This is a police action. /

portlandon on March 22, 2011 at 7:32 PM

thankfully those always end well.

Ampersand on March 22, 2011 at 9:03 PM

He’s cutting short his Latin America trip to come home early, perhaps realizing that even though we’re “not at war,” the photos of him kicking around a soccer ball while Air Force pilots are flying bombing raids over Tripoli won’t play well next year.

“Watch this free kick.”

Left Coast Right Mind on March 22, 2011 at 9:03 PM

What is the definition of “is?”

MJBrutus on March 22, 2011 at 9:26 PM

When asked, White House officials told congressional aides that the United States is not at war with Libya,

Nothing says “we are not at war” like bombing the sh!t out of an oil rich country that has not attacked us and poses no imminent threat….
…………………..right “anti-war” liberals.

Baxter Greene on March 22, 2011 at 9:36 PM

….and I wonder if Libya feels that they aren’t aren’t at war with us ??

Robert17 on March 22, 2011 at 10:00 PM

….and I wonder if Libya feels that they aren’t aren’t at war with us ??

Robert17 on March 22, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Well, the left didn’t feel like it was at war on 9/11/01…..

G M on March 22, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Both Kay daffy and bummah are nutcases,both need to go. Call congress critters first thing in AM and tell em so.
Some GI needs to tell bummah here a^%^%$le take my gun and get to the front.
Patton would have told this moron “you ain’t killin my men for no good reason” then would have let fly some really choice words.
The Generals need to drive over to the WH and tell bumma sign the letter of resignation.
Congress needs a lot of heat applied,now.
Have a nice day.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 22, 2011 at 10:50 PM

It is not a war. We are just unilaterally disarming Libya of heavy combat equipment.

Slowburn on March 22, 2011 at 11:04 PM

Hey, where’s Bubbah? This could cut into his world nooky speaking tour.

drunyan8315 on March 22, 2011 at 11:33 PM

Is this a SNL sketch or Jon Stewart on Comedy Central?

“Colonel Qaddafi needs to step down from power,” the president said in a joint press conference at the White House with Mexican President Felipe Calderon. “You’ve seen with great clarity that he has lost legitimacy with his people.”

And Barry should know about legitimacy!!!!!

Obama, born of a British citizen father and therefore not a “natural born citizen”, calls Qaddafi “illegitimate”.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

fred5678 on March 23, 2011 at 5:44 AM

the president plans to hand over control to the coalition

Barry plans to delegate blame to an ad hoc committee, so when the manure hits the fan, with U.S. troops dying, his hands will be unsoiled.

I plan to make a few phone calls Wednesday AM and tell my elected representatives that Barry has got to go. He is demonstrating every bit of executive acumen found on his resume in 2008 — exactly ZERO!

fred5678 on March 23, 2011 at 5:51 AM

Present!

El Coqui on March 23, 2011 at 6:01 AM

Yes. I remember. SMART POWER! Designed to return a more humble US prestige in the world. Brilliant right Mathews? Mathews?

kens on March 23, 2011 at 9:09 AM

“Grow up, dropping some bombs to pursue a no-fly/sail zone is not an act of war.” –Tojo, 1941 /s

According to Obama’s logic, Japan never was really at war with America since it never attacked us with an invasion force. It merely defended its occupied territories, and early one December, attempted to enforce a western Pacific no-fly/sail policy.

He is being consistent, since he doesn’t think Al Qaeda is at war with us either.

G. Charles on March 23, 2011 at 9:10 AM

I haven’t heard anything from Colin Powell on the Powell Doctrine and Lybia. Either the liberal media doesn’t want his opinion in this case, or he’s gone into hiding. Either way that fact should be news.

slickwillie2001 on March 23, 2011 at 11:07 AM

Oh, yes, Mr. President, thank you…if you would sir, I know the last time you explained this you said you were making it clear….my apologies Mr. President, just one more time so I can report clearly…… what is our objective again??

WTF

highninside on March 23, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Sure glad we didn’t step in it.

JohnGalt23 on March 22, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Dave’s not here, man…

Freelancer on March 23, 2011 at 8:27 PM