Russia rebukes Gates, demands “immediate cease fire” in Libya

posted at 9:35 am on March 22, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

While Barack Obama left the US for Brazil just as he ordered our forces into a new war, the second in civilian command of the military left shortly afterward to meet with Russia’s defense minister.  Robert Gates had been tasked, Obama said, with coordinating the efforts of our military alliance, but instead went to Moscow in an apparent attempt to head off opposition from Russia.  Instead, Gates wound up sitting in a press conference while Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov rebuked the US with a demand for an immediate cease fire in Libya:

In a rebuke of U.S. policy in Libya, the Russian defense minister condemned civilian deaths from coalition airstrikes and called for immediate cease-fire on Tuesday as Defense Secretary Robert Gates sat stonily beside him.

Speaking to reporters following an hourlong meeting with Gates, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said Russia continued to support the United Nations resolution authorizing the creation of a no-fly zone over Libya but made clear that Moscow was increasingly uneasy about the escalating campaign.

“Unfortunately, recent developments in the country demonstrate that it is experiencing real hostilities, destroying civilian facilities, and the killing of civilians,” Serdyukov said. “This shouldn’t have been let to happen and we informed our U.S. counterparts of our opposition.”

Gates, in his own remarks, said the coalition was going out of its way to avoid civilian deaths, noting that most of the strikes have targeted Libyan defensive systems located far away from major population centers. Gates also said he expected major combat operations over Libya to taper off markedly within the next few days; he is the first senior American official to put any sort of timetable on the ongoing offensive there.

Not to ask the obvious, but where is the civilian command of the US armed forces at the moment?  President Obama is in Chile at the moment, and Gates is busy getting embarrassed in Moscow.  Hillary Clinton isn’t in the civilian chain of command as Secretary of State, but she’s the only high-level official to at least be in physical contact with our coalition partners.  Who exactly is in the same room with our own Joint Chiefs?  Joe Biden?

As Secretary of Defense, Gates has more pressing issues on his plate than diplomatic coordination with the Russians, a mission that failed anyway.  That was a job for Hillary Clinton or the current ambassador to Russia, John Beyrle, who has been in Moscow for almost three years.  Besides the obvious failure in this instance, Gates’ reaction to Sedyukov’s statement suggests he was the wrong man for the job anyway:

“I’m a little curious, frankly, about the tone that has been taken,” Gates said. “It’s perfectly evident that the vast majority, if not nearly all, civilian casualties have been inflicted by Qaddafi… and it’s almost as though some people here are taking at false value Qaddafi’s claims about the number of civilian casualties, which as far as I’m concerned are just outright lies.”

Gates’s comments were an implicit rebuke to Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who on Monday accused the U.S. of causing significant civilian casualties in Libya and likened the entire American-led operation there to a “crusade.”

Why did we bother with this trip at all?  The Obama administration managed to get Russia to abstain on the UN Security Council resolution, which was a victory in and of itself.  Obama should have left it at that, especially since Gates should have been at home or in the same room as our coalition partners for coordination of the opening of hostilities — and even more especially since our President couldn’t be bothered to do so himself.  Instead, Gates gave Russia an opportunity to publicly humiliate him, and in response we called the Russians liars.  Gates’ mission has made a difficult situation appreciably worse.

Whatever kind of power that demonstrates, it isn’t smart power.

Update: The debate over the Libyan intervention has opened a rift between Vladimir Putin and his protege, Dmitri Medvedev:

Russia’s two leaders are openly disagreeing over the U.N. resolution authorizing international military action against Libya, with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin comparing it to the medieval crusades and President Dmitry Medvedev warning him to watch his use of words.

Their statements represented a rare open clash on foreign policy. …

Hours later, Medvedev rebuked the prime minister: “We have to be absolutely accurate in our assessments. Under no circumstances is it acceptable to use expressions that essentially lead to a clash of civilizations such as crusades and so on.”

The Russian president defended the decision to abstain in last week’s vote at the United Nations and characterized the resolution as a legitimate response to Moammar Gadhafi’s “crimes against his own people.”

“The resolution in general reflects our understanding of what’s going on in Libya, but not entirely,” Medvedev said. “That is why we did not use our veto right.”

That’s an interesting development, although more likely a momentary hiccup in their partnership.

Update: Ninjapirate says that this trip has been planned for a while and wasn’t about Libya.  Er, shouldn’t it have been postponed once we declared war, especially with the President going out of town?  And if it wasn’t about Libya when it was first planned, that certainly became the subject, as Russia demonstrated in this press conference.

Also, I changed the headline from “snubs” to “rebukes” for more accuracy.


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Whatever kind of power that demonstrates, it isn’t smart power.

Heck, Ed. On the big treadmill of political acumen, it’s not even hamster power.

kingsjester on March 22, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Instead, Gates gave Russia an opportunity to publicly humiliate him, and in response we called the Russians liars.

Wonderful. The SECDEF is doing the SECSTATE’s job, the SECSTATE is doing the POTUS’ job, and the POTUS is …..well...doing something…

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 9:40 AM

In a rebuke of U.S. policy in Libya, the Russian defense minister condemned civilian deaths from coalition airstrikes

Which civilian deaths?
Are we talking the “we volunteer to stand next to military targets to discourage hitting them” crowd?

Count to 10 on March 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Didn’t you hear? Joe Biden has announced his plan to partition Libya in to 3 separate countries!

/s

MJBrutus on March 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM

and, once we wash our hands of this whole affair in days, mind you, not weeks, then we’ll have passed it off to a new position called “International Coalition War Czar” or something.

*cough* clear throat….Smaaart Powah! ™

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 9:42 AM

but instead went to Moscow in an apparent attempt to head off opposition from Russia.

WTF? I don’t think that’s right at all. He’s been planing this trip for a long time… the trip was delayed because of the action in Libya.

ninjapirate on March 22, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Russia’s two leaders are openly disagreeing…with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin comparing it to the medieval crusades and President Dmitry Medvedev warning him to watch his use of words.

Don’t be too surprised if Dmitry “goes missing” sometime over the next few days.

pain train on March 22, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Didn’t you hear? Joe Biden has announced his plan to partition Libya in to 3 separate countries!

/s

MJBrutus on March 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM

this is your half, this is my half and then this is Soros’ half…. wait a sec?
/obiden

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 9:43 AM

As Secretary of Defense, Gates has more pressing issues on his plate than diplomatic coordination with the Russians, a mission that failed anyway.

Again, the trip was planned a long time ago… I don’t think that was his objective.

ninjapirate on March 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

The Russians do not care about Lybian civilians they care about the damage to their economic interests. Mostly they care that in one night we killed the air defense system they sold to Daffy. They have sold the same system to many others. Probably are having warranty issues as well as sales problems today.

Gandalf on March 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Which civilian deaths?
Are we talking the “we volunteer to stand next to military targets to discourage hitting them” crowd?

Count to 10 on March 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM

I think it’s supported by the Geneva convention to strike people protecting military system.

the_nile on March 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

In a rebuke of U.S. policy in Libya, the Russian defense minister condemned civilian deaths from coalition airstrikes

From the same aholes who crushed Georgia without the merest hint of concern for anyone getting killed, we get this finger wagging rebuke. PBHO will of course kneel down and beg forgiveness like the cowardly jackmuffin that he is.

Medvedev and Putin disagreeing is just a shell game, they are playing PBHO again.

Bishop on March 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

I hope they turned off the lights and turned down the heat in the Oval Office. No need to expend energy in that vacant room.

Electrongod on March 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM

The Russians do not care about Lybian civilians they care about the damage to their economic interests. Mostly they care that in one night we killed the air defense system they sold to Daffy. They have sold the same system to many others. Probably are having warranty issues as well as sales problems today.

Gandalf on March 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

They dont like more democracies and freer competition in the oil market either.

the_nile on March 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Medvedev and Putin disagreeing is just a shell game, they are playing PBHO again.

Bishop on March 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

probably right. Good cop bad cop.??

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Joe Biden has announced his plan to partition Libya in to 3 separate countries!

HAHAHAHAHA

Bishop on March 22, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Good for Sec. Gates. I shudder to think what is going to happen when he leaves this band of yahoos.

Cindy Munford on March 22, 2011 at 9:46 AM

The Russians have already measured Obambi’s mettle and found him lacking in any courage or strength of character. This is not unlike the way Khrushchev measured up Kennedy prior to the Cuban Missile Crisis, however Kennedy actually grew up in office while Obambi votes “Present” via Twitter on his way out the door to his next vacation/golfing excursion. I look forward to the upcoming humiliation(s) that the US will suffer through via the world’s tyrants…and Obambi will probably go and bow and apologize.

2012 can’t come soon enough.

Geministorm on March 22, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Gandalf on March 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

I should think that they would be welcoming the chance to restock Libya’s shelves if that’s their thinking.

MJBrutus on March 22, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Again, the trip was planned a long time ago… I don’t think that was his objective.

ninjapirate on March 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Well, when we decided to go to war on Friday, it should have been postponed, especially since Obama left the country too.

Ed Morrissey on March 22, 2011 at 9:47 AM

That’s an interesting development, although more likely a momentary hiccup in their partnership.

I’m not so sure. I think Putin’s about to buy Medvedev a piano key wire necktie for his birthday.

KingGold on March 22, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Putin is transparent in his politics. A big part of Russia’s economy is selling weapons to countries like Libya. Dethroning one of his customers is bad for business, so naturally he’ll cry and whine over it. At least Medvedev is a little more humane and can view the big picture.

tflst5 on March 22, 2011 at 9:47 AM

I’m confused, Ed. Did you think that Gates didn’t do enough butt smooching in response to the disrespect shown the U.S.? It wasn’t Gates personally who was humiliated… in that light, it was entirely appropriate for Gates to offer a rebuke in return. We could use MORE plain spoken communications in response to this sort of stuff. (BTW, how does what Gates said vary in substance from what Medvedev said?)

All of that said, you’re completely right that it should have been Hillary there, not Gates. And as for President Absent…

fabrexe on March 22, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Where is Joe Biden???
I remember before and after the Iraq war that Cheney was every where on the TV; giving speeches, answering questions.
Where is Joe???

albill on March 22, 2011 at 9:50 AM

The Russians are just peeved that Obama is doing what they’ve always done – that is, lie.

OldEnglish on March 22, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Well, when we decided to go to war on Friday, it should have been postponed, especially since Obama left the country too.

Ed Morrissey on March 22, 2011 at 9:47 AM

At least until the NCAA tourney is over.

We can’t allow Obama to be distracted.

artist on March 22, 2011 at 9:51 AM

And yet Russia did not vote “no” on the Security Council over Libya…they simply abstained.

JetBoy on March 22, 2011 at 9:52 AM

Obama is sending mixed messages to his own Administration, America, and the entire world.

Maybe we should rename Scooter “Mix Master O”?

kingsjester on March 22, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Where is Joe???

albill on March 22, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Probably in the Oval Office with the door locked sizing up the chair while playing president and talking to himself.

Electrongod on March 22, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Wonderful. The SECDEF is doing the SECSTATE’s job, the SECSTATE is doing the POTUS’ job, and the POTUS is …..well…doing something…

ted c on March 22, 2011 at 9:40 AM

A chair samba?

clnurnberg on March 22, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Russia only fears one American in power…..Michelle

Hening on March 22, 2011 at 9:54 AM

The Left Hand and Right Hand are confused at this point

wheels on March 22, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Where is Joe Biden???
I remember before and after the Iraq war that Cheney was every where on the TV; giving speeches, answering questions.
Where is Joe???

albill on March 22, 2011 at 9:50 AM

i remember during the election of’08 that Biden was the foreign policy whiz.

darwin-t on March 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM

“Unfortunately, recent developments in the country demonstrate that it is experiencing real hostilities, destroying civilian facilities, and the killing of civilians,” Serdyukov said.

Let me get this straight: Russia is lecturing America about killing civilians? They didn’t seem to mind civilians getting killed in Beslan.

pookysgirl on March 22, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Don’t be too surprised if Dmitry “goes missing” sometime over the next few days.

pain train on March 22, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Convenient case of “food poisoning”.

Laura in Maryland on March 22, 2011 at 10:00 AM

India condemns indiscriminate NATO bombing in Libya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeO_-4M467k

will13smith on March 22, 2011 at 10:03 AM

The Obama amateur hour on full display…

…..it’s amazing that liberals can even find their car keys in the morning…..literally every single policy and talking point that comes from them is shown to be pathetically wrong.

Baxter Greene on March 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM

The UN resolution is designed to protect the civilian population of Libya. The only way that can be guaranteed (and really, with the rebels an unknown, that is questionable) is with the removal of Gaddafi and his sons. A 6 months no fly zone that gets ended, and Mommar will go back to bombing those who oppose him. And no one has the stomach, or the money for a multi-year no fly zone. europeans get bored after 6 months which would lead to yet another American war against a Muslim country.

The real problem is in not giving Gaddafi an out. He either fights and dies or he’s going to be a criminal, go to trial and be locked up for life? Yeah, I’d stay and fight as well. Now, if he had the option of staying or going into exile, with access to one or two Swiss bank accounts, maybe he chooses option two. But given his megalomania, if the option is glorious death or anonymity in a 6 x 10 cell, he’ll choose option one. I would hope that this scenario has been presented to Dear Liar by someone, why he’s passed on it I just don’t want to know. It makes him out to be even worse than I thought.

rbj on March 22, 2011 at 10:05 AM

As with the Olympics debacle, the negotiating and these words should have been handled behind closed doors, and a negotiation deal announced. You don’t put your adversary in a position to humiliate you in front of everyone. If by your negotiations it appears you will be humiliated, you send a lower level flunky and announce it was a much lower level of a talk.

DUH!

UnderstandingisPower on March 22, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Gates to retire sooner than later me thinks

This whole boondoggle is gonna get more ugly

cmsinaz on March 22, 2011 at 10:09 AM

At least until the NCAA tourney is over.

We can’t allow Obama to be distracted.

artist on March 22, 2011 at 9:51 AM

I am sure Obama is more upset about seeing Pitt get knocked out of the Tourney than he is about this.

….Obama is probably trying to figure out a new way to bow to Putin and wondering what other type of appeasement he can deliver to “restart” this embarrassing situation.

Baxter Greene on March 22, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Where is Joe Biden???
I remember before and after the Iraq war that Cheney was every where on the TV; giving speeches, answering questions.
Where is Joe???

albill on March 22, 2011 at 9:50 AM

He’s probably reading the funnie papers or doing magic tricks for passengers on a broke down $6 bil dollar train somewhere in the northeast.

Tim Zank on March 22, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Also, I changed the headline from “snubs” to “rebukes” pwns! for more accuracy.

FIFY

Caper29 on March 22, 2011 at 10:14 AM

I’m not so sure. I think Putin’s about to buy Medvedev a piano key wire necktie for his birthday.

KingGold on March 22, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Naw, this is all choreographed. They’ve always played that game well.
I expect Gates will resign when the time is right. The three ladies rolled him on this whole exercise and I doubt he is happy with the present pecking order.

a capella on March 22, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Reset! Reset! Reset!

Why in the hell won’t this button work!

mankai on March 22, 2011 at 10:18 AM

“I’m a little curious, frankly, about the tone that has been taken,” Gates said. “It’s perfectly evident that the vast majority, if not nearly all, civilian casualties have been inflicted by Qaddafi… and it’s almost as though some people here are taking at false value Qaddafi’s claims about the number of civilian casualties, which as far as I’m concerned are just outright lies.”

Now that’s almost Rumsfeldian! Drop the mild manner and add some animation and that’s Donny.

Dusty on March 22, 2011 at 10:22 AM

Nice coalition there Barry. Well except for Russia, China, India, Germany , and Brazil. I dunno they account for a sizable chunk of the worlds population.

CWforFreedom on March 22, 2011 at 10:25 AM

The adults are in charge.

NoFanofLibs on March 22, 2011 at 10:27 AM

wheels on March 22, 2011 at 9:55 AM

At this point? They’ve been perfect strangers since inauguration day.

MJBrutus on March 22, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Do What!!

(via Instapundit)
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=DED0EEF1-857E-4E19-8AC9-5770D3E689CA

“I also have stated that it is U.S. policy that Qadhafi needs to go,” Obama said,

….well then why did you not respect the US Policy(ask your buddy Clinton) that stated Saddam must go???????

Baxter Greene on March 22, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Anyone else have an uneasy feeling?
All the heads of government out of the country at the same time? Joe? Hillery? zero? Mo? Gates? anyone……?

dragondrop on March 22, 2011 at 10:37 AM

This whole mess is reminding me of a SNL skit.
Obama, whatever the outcome, is going to be history’s biggest joke of a POTUS.

ORconservative on March 22, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Gates didn’t exactly call the Russians liars.

He called Gaddafi a liar, and thus implied the Russians are either chumps for believing him, or disingenuous in claiming to believe him.

Sackett on March 22, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Medvedev is a scholar and a diplomat, so he will express himself in a more nuanced way, whereas Putin and the Russian defense minister are from the KGB / military, so they will express themselves in a more primitive way to appeal to the simplistic peasant mentality that the average Russian feels towards America. Forget the nuances of what’s going on in Libya, it’s much simpler to call things a one-word inflammatory term.

You have to remember that at the end of the day it was Medvedev’s way and not Putin’s or the defense minister’s. Maybe he is in charge in Russia after all…

AlexB on March 22, 2011 at 10:46 AM

I noticed on The Factor last night after Rove had given Scooter a thumbs up and BOR had administered a tongue bath to Scooter, Bill asked Brit Hume whether he thought Scooter made a good decision. Hume wouldn’t answer. When BOR gigged him by saying Rove had committed, Hume grinned and said he(Hume) was in a different line of work.

a capella on March 22, 2011 at 10:47 AM

2012
Dump Obama
Dump the UN

Focus on fixing our own problems.

Danny on March 22, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Hmmmmmm dragondrop

cmsinaz on March 22, 2011 at 10:56 AM

While Barry ‘No Testicles’ Obama does the funky chicken down South America way, the civilian troika of Samantha Power, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton are running the war(s).

Girl Power!

JimP on March 22, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Clearly Gates was unprepared for this verbal attack. Had he been prepped of Russia’s (Putin’s) stance he could have responded to the complaint about civilian deaths with one word,”GROZNY!!!”

xkaydet65 on March 22, 2011 at 11:17 AM

I’m not in favor of the no-fly zone, but why do we even care what Russia has to say on the issue?

BadgerHawk on March 22, 2011 at 11:25 AM

No, Gates is not getting embarrassed in Moscow. Putin feels it’s in their best interests to go mano-a-mano against the USA again. They’ve been doing this for several years. Of course, things aren’t monolithic in Russia any more.

unclesmrgol on March 22, 2011 at 11:27 AM

You know…..Bush did have his faults, but I never had so many sleepless nights with him at the helm. With Obutthead I have premature wrinkling, bags, and dark circles. Can I sue him for that?

I’m so tired of him, and so tired of being tired.

capejasmine on March 22, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Maybe, Russian and China don’t want their little patty fingers, arms sales, exposed.

What super secret double probation items have sold to Quadaffi?

Speakup on March 22, 2011 at 11:37 AM

a capella on March 22, 2011 at 10:47 AM

I caught part of BOR last night. I tuned him out when he started qouting a poll that said 70% favored the NFZ as evidence he (BOR) was right on the issue. LOL Lame! 52% voted for Barry too. That didn’t make it a good thing.

JimP on March 22, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Don’t know if it’s already been said but:
Among the outrageous ironies of Hillary Clinton pushing Obama into this little ‘imperialist, jingoistic, military industrial complex adventure’ is that 40 odd years ago feminist, anti war activist & protestor Hillary decried U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Back in the day Hillary thought it was wrong for the U.S. to get involved in other country’s civil wars and for America to act as the world’s policeman. When the North Vietnamese Army murdered 5,000 real civilians in Hue in 1968, Hillary did not call for bombing North Viet Nam or even the NVA troops that had invaded the Republic of South Vietnam. The 1954 U.N. separation of Vietnam into two countries was considered bogus by Hillary and her protesting pals. The U.N. lacked the moral and legal authority to tell people how to run their own countries, according to the anti-war crowd. Now they rush to the U.N. to give them ‘moral’ and ‘legal’ authority to do what Nixon did. LOL Additionally, back in the 70’s, feminists, Hillary being one, said that if women were running things, there would be no more wars and that they would find solutions other than war- because women were so great at finding better solutions. My, how the times have changed.

JimP on March 22, 2011 at 12:03 PM

This whole mess is reminding me of a SNL skit.
Obama, whatever the outcome, is going to be history’s biggest joke of a POTUS.

ORconservative on March 22, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Of course the media will still twist it to be the second coming of JFK and Camelot…beloved by *all* in the country and worshiped by the world as the most excellent leader the free world has ever known, winner of the Nobel Peace prize and curer of cancer.

Geministorm on March 22, 2011 at 12:18 PM

With all due respect to our Russian ‘friends’, they have a UNSC veto. They decided not to use it. For that reason alone I will continue to ignore them.

Dawnsblood on March 22, 2011 at 12:59 PM

The Russians do not care about Lybian civilians they care about the damage to their economic interests. Mostly they care that in one night we killed the air defense system they sold to Daffy. They have sold the same system to many others. Probably are having warranty issues as well as sales problems today.

Gandalf on March 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM

Bingo, another bad day for Russian arms sellers. :)

El Coqui on March 22, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Well, I bet Obama didn’t think about this when drafting his budget, did he?

Clearly he should have increased the budget to the Department of Stagecraft so they could make a bigger and better Reset Button.

ButterflyDragon on March 22, 2011 at 2:14 PM

With all due respect to our Russian ‘friends’, they have a UNSC veto. They decided not to use it. For that reason alone I will continue to ignore them.

Dawnsblood on March 22, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Actually, it was a brilliant move on their part (and China’s) not to veto it.

They are allowing us to shoot ourselves in the foot and the disenchanted will view Russia and China in a more favorable light in the end.

ButterflyDragon on March 22, 2011 at 2:16 PM

How about the russians do an immediate cease fire in Chechnya?
Obviously the russians have the measure of our leaders, who left their cajones in a safety deposit box before taking office.

eaglewingz08 on March 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Aren`t these the guys who kill more of the hostages they try to rescue then hostage takers?

ThePrez on March 22, 2011 at 4:05 PM

There’s no ‘indiscriminate bombing’ going on in Libya by coalition forces.

India can pound sand.

manofaiki on March 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM

That’s an interesting development, although more likely a momentary hiccup in their partnership.

“Hiccup”? There is absolutely no light between Putin and Medvedev. Whatever stance they make in public is just whatever they’ve decided to project.

Poor Ed. He spends so much time commenting on everything, that he spends so little time thinking about anything and understands nothing.

sartana on March 22, 2011 at 5:25 PM

I notice how Putin is using the “C” word a lot (Crusades). Guaranteed to stir the 9th century juices of the Mid East tribes. And they laughed when Clapper told Congress that the old Soviet Union is the greatest threat.

kens on March 23, 2011 at 9:20 AM