Obama: Yes, Qaddafi must go — but maybe not through military means

posted at 5:06 pm on March 21, 2011 by Allahpundit

From this afternoon’s presser in Chile, here’s his attempt to square weeks of “Qaddafi must go” rhetoric with the fact that the resolution passed by the Security Council conspicuously omits any “Qaddafi must go” rhetoric. How to make that add up? If I understand his answer correctly, it’s simple: Emphasize that the U.S. will stay strictly within the parameters of the UN resolution, using military means only to protect Libyan civilians, but note that we’ll continue to use non-military means to force Qaddafi from power. Regime change is still official U.S. policy, in other words; it’s just that we’ll use sanctions and other diplomatic means to implement that policy, even though there are F-22s over Tripoli. Reminds me of Bush 41′s fateful decision not to push on to Baghdad and finish off Saddam after Iraqi troops had been expelled from Kuwait.

If you take this idea seriously, in theory an American pilot who spots Qaddafi’s convoy leaving from his bunker would be forced to let ‘em go lest we violate the strict limits of the UN resolution. Anyone think that would happen, though? Particularly since (a) British bombs have already been falling conspicuously close to Qaddafi’s residence and (b) the entire unspoken strategy of this mission, such as it is, is to knock Qaddafi out quickly so that the rebels can overrun Tripoli and we can go home lickety split. What you’re seeing here, I think, is The One paying lip service to the alleged authority of international “collective action” even while he and his western partners quietly look to skirt that authority by taking out the Mad Dog with a quick strike. The big difference between him and Bush, as the left is learning, isn’t that one’s a cowboy and the other isn’t. It’s that Obama wears his sheriff’s badge on the inside of his vest, in case anyone abroad should see it and get offended.

As expected, with the first days of the air campaign going well, the public has rallied behind him and the mission. Last week, only 56 percent supported a no-fly zone; today, 70 percent do. If the coalition can knock out Qaddafi and the rebels advance quickly to the capital, this’ll be a great political victory for him, no matter how dodgy things eventually turn in Libya. In the meantime, though, he’s working hard to shore up that “international consensus,” phoning treacherous Arab League leaders to keep them onboard with a no-fly zone (with some success) and maybe leaning on his pal Medvedev to politely challenge Putin on the latter’s incendiary comment that this mission looks like a “medieval crusade.” I’m only speculating about O’s possible influence there, but I’m guessing Medvedev wouldn’t dare to correct Russia’s new tsar unless outside forces were pressuring him intensely to do so. The next “consensus” challenge: Getting NATO to take over this mission before Turkish demagoguery scares Italy into kicking the coalition off of its bases. David Cameron’s already talking publicly about a NATO handover. Expect a further push from O the next time he speaks about this too.

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We don’t have enough money to buy a carrot to put on the end of that stick, Barry.

portlandon on March 21, 2011 at 5:11 PM

I say again:

Three weeks from now, Qaddaffi will be making videos of him and Chavez kicking back in the Bunny Hutch bunker with the Ukrainian Nurse and some of Sheen’s castoff pornstar girlfriends, playing Call of Duty and mooning Obama and powering down Tall Boys.

This won’t end well.

victor82 on March 21, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Paging the Wrecking Ball to Libya…….paging Wrecking Ball!

PappyD61 on March 21, 2011 at 5:13 PM

As expected, with the first days of the air campaign going well, the public has rallied behind him and the mission. Last week, only 56 percent supported a no-fly zone; today, 70 percent do.

Same poll finds only 50% approve of Obama’s handling of Libya tho.

Jon0815 on March 21, 2011 at 5:13 PM

portlandon on March 21, 2011 at 5:11 PM

True. At this point I don’t expect any country in the world to pay a whole lot of attention to BHO unless they were paid off in some fashion.

We have a paper president. I think pretty much everyone in the world has figured this out–the Brazil trip should have opened the eyes of all but a very few Kool-ade drinkers. (but hey, he’s even lost Joan Baez!).

INC on March 21, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Hopey the ArmChair General Fence Post Turtle
look’n out through his pole position,try’n to
make sense of the ever move’n battlefield and
Fog of War!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Unilateral presidential power in action. Candidate Barry versus President Barry.

taney71 on March 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Let me put it this way: Barry Soetero better be damned glad our military is full of honorable people.

SouthernGent on March 21, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Ummm…kinda ironic statement considering the 400+ photos of them posing with dead Afghani’s on Drudge.

ramrants on March 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM

WUSS!!!!!!!!

CynicalOptimist on March 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Disasters that occur when liberals micromanage things – Part 45872.

jjshaka on March 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Did Qaddafi finish arming 1,000,000 civilians? Don’t we have to protect them, too?

Christien on March 21, 2011 at 5:19 PM

WUSS!!!!!!!!

CynicalOptimist on March 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM

I couldn’t say it with less letters:)

Electrongod on March 21, 2011 at 5:21 PM

This will not end well. I am hopelessly illiterate in anything military…but the message is so mixed, all I can think of is the liar on SNL that would say something like, “Ah, no we’re not looking for regime change, we’re not! Yeah, that’s the ticket!”

Simultaneously, this line from The Wizard of Oz comes to mind: “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…”

I hate to sound like a broken record, but if a republican…any republican had pulled this chit…

Chewy the Lab on March 21, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Will Gadhafi Resort to Terrorism to Fight Back?
March 21st, 2011
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Here’s something that’s been on our minds for a few days now. What if Moammar Gadhafi turns to terror strikes as retaliation for the international bombing campaign against his forces?
(More…..)

Read more: http://defensetech.org/2011/03/21/will-ghadafi-resort-to-terrorism-to-fight-back/#ixzz1HGsnjtUA
Defense.org
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The New Weapons of Operation Odyssey Dawn
March 21st, 2011
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The opening salvos of Operation Odyssey Dawn not only harkened the return of high-end fights not seen in years, they also served as the combat debut for several new weapons that didn’t exist the last time the West kicked off a similar adventure.

First, let’s look at the modified Ohio class ballistic missile submarine USS Florida, now dubbed a guided missile submarine or SSGN. Florida was one of three subs and two destroyers firing cruise missiles at Libyan air defense sites and command and control centers at the very beginning of the campaign on Saturday.
(More…..)
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So, a quick recap of the weapons that made their combat debut this week:

The guided missile submarine, USS Florida (SSGN-728)

The Block IV Tomahawk cruise missile otherwise known as TLAM-E

The Eurofighter Typhoon jet.

The EA-18G Growler electronic warfare plane

Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz1HGtYho7i
Defense.org

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:24 PM

The MSM is playing this as a win for Obama. I see it a further erosion of our Constitution as the famous constitutional scholar is acting in a way he said during the 08 election that he wouldn’t. Obama is a turd.

taney71 on March 21, 2011 at 5:24 PM

American casualties will change that equation if this thing gets drawn out. I know, I know,..odds are against it, but still,…People are sick of losing our best and brightest in those godforsaken sh!tholes.

a capella on March 21, 2011 at 5:25 PM

More brain seepage, according to Biden. Obama’s skull simply cannot contain it all. So with a cranium that massive, you’d expect a few mixed messages now and again. He’s that smart.

betsyz on March 21, 2011 at 5:26 PM

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:24 PM

What about the U.S.S. Barry? /

Christien on March 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Ummm…kinda ironic statement considering the 400+ photos of them posing with dead Afghani’s on Drudge.

ramrants on March 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Meh. That doesn’t bother me. Neither did Abu Gharib. War is Hell, and Afghanistan is Hell for our troops who are being handcuffed by a gutless administration gone PC wild.

SouthernGent on March 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Did Qaddafi finish arming 1,000,000 civilians? Don’t we have to protect them, too?

Christien on March 21, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Christien:Like,Obama’s Dream Wish!:)

Libyian National Civilian Security Forces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

This is the beginning Barry’s “Mission Accomplish” moment. The press won’t say it.

Oil Can on March 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Everything Barack Obama does on every controversial issue Barack Obama faces is done to make sure Barack Obama never has to take responsibility for a failed action. He qualifies himself here so he’s got an out if Qaddafi stays in power, and if anything else goes wrong it’s Nick Sarkozy, the U.N. General Assembly and Hillary under the bus, because they’re the ones who really wanted to do this thing.

jon1979 on March 21, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Falling in at the end of the line does not constitute “leadership.”

“Present”

iurockhead on March 21, 2011 at 5:29 PM

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Picture Qaddafi leading a million-civilian charge against Benghazi. Barry says we will protect civilians and won’t target Qaddafi!

Christien on March 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:24 PM
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What about the U.S.S. Barry? /

Christien on March 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Christien:UghaRoo..you had to ask about USS Soetoro Barry!:)
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USS Barry Launches Against Libya
Posted 3/20/2011

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MEDITERRANEAN SEA (March. 19, 2011) The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Barry (DDG 52) launches a Tomahawk missile in support of Operation Odyssey Dawn. This was one of approximately 110 cruise missiles fired from U.S. and British ships and submarines that targeted about 20 radar and anti-aircraft sites along Libya’s Mediterranean coast. Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn is the U.S. Africa Command task force established to provide operational and tactical command and control of U.S. military forces supporting the international response to the unrest in Libya and enforcement of United Nations Security Council Resolution (UNSCR) 1973. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jonathan Sunderman)

http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/20110320134629.aspx

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM

No, the big difference between W and Obama is that Obama got his sheriff’s badge from a box of Cracker Jack.

Beo on March 21, 2011 at 5:35 PM

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM
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Picture Qaddafi leading a million-civilian charge against Benghazi. Barry says we will protect civilians and won’t target Qaddafi!

Christien on March 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Christien:Oh boy,with a chorus,of Allah Ackbars,like a scene
out of Lawrence of Arabia Movie!(snark):)

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:36 PM

If you take this idea seriously, in theory an American pilot who spots Qaddafi’s convoy leaving from his bunker would be forced to let ‘em go lest we violate the strict limits of the UN resolution. Anyone think that would happen, though?

Would the pilot be court-martialed? I mean, we had a Navy Seal on trial for roughing up a terror suspect.

ddrintn on March 21, 2011 at 5:36 PM

With no debate and no objective, Obama enters a war

Setting aside the wisdom of the intervention, Obama’s entry into Libya’s civil war is troubling on at least five counts. First is the legal and constitutional question. Second is the manner of Obama’s announcement. Third is the complete disregard for public opinion and lack of debate. Fourth is the unclear role the United States will play in this coalition. Fifth is the lack of a clear endgame. Compounding all these problems is the lack of trust created by Obama’s record of deception.

INC on March 21, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Jeez, Obama’s right.

And it’s simple. The Libyan people can just vote Gadaffy out in a recall election, just like California did with Gray Davis. Duh.

albo on March 21, 2011 at 5:39 PM

a capella on March 21, 2011 at 5:25 PM

But will the MSM ever report it? To me, the biggest tragedy and massive fraud they perpetuate is the non-coverage of loss of life and the wounded of our troops since the O took office.
I remember a time when CNN, daily, would put up pictures of our great and fallen heroes.

betsyz on March 21, 2011 at 5:40 PM

What happens if the Brits happen onto the Lockerbie bomber?
Awkward, eh?

a capella on March 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Barack The Desert Fox Obama?

profitsbeard on March 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM

MEMO TO DNC PROGRESSIVE`S,

Please,have a chat with your C in C,and for the love
of gawd,

tell him,to STOP TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE WON`T DO!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM

’m only speculating about O’s possible influence there, but I’m guessing Medvedev wouldn’t dare to correct Russia’s new tsar unless outside forces were pressuring him intensely to do so.

Has nothing to do with it. It’s a classic right hand/left hand move. The KGB loved that crap. I would bet it’s all Putin’s idea.

Rocks on March 21, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Meh. That doesn’t bother me. Neither did Abu Gharib. War is Hell, and Afghanistan is Hell for our troops who are being handcuffed by a gutless administration gone PC wild.

SouthernGent on March 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM

I’m curious if this will get as much play in the media as Abu Graib did. How many times did the NYT have Abu Graib on the front page? Will there be calls for Gates resignation like Rumsfeld? I’m gonna go out on a limb and say no.

ramrants on March 21, 2011 at 5:45 PM

What happens if the Brits happen onto the Lockerbie bomber?
Awkward, eh?

a capella on March 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM

a capella:It would be a shames I tells ya,if sumpin
bloodys was to befall said bomber.Maybe`s
his house was accidently lasered,and a 2000
lb J-Dam,serendipishly fell upon it,from a
B-2!!!!:)

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:46 PM

betsyz on March 21, 2011 at 5:40 PM

I dunno. Lots of international media over there right now, some of whom aren’t our best friends. They would probably delight in publicizing American casualties, but I don’t know what would get out here. Drudge would probaly give it a flashing red siren, but you are probably right for the most part. A downed aircraft would be hard to avoid.

a capella on March 21, 2011 at 5:47 PM

“Why are you apologizing all the time?”

John the Libertarian on March 21, 2011 at 5:47 PM

We finally get somebody over there fighting “AQ”, and now we want him gone. Unless he gets taken out in a strike, I don’t see him going anywhere.

Southernblogger on March 21, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Barack The Desert Fox Obama?

profitsbeard on March 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM

profitsbeard:I`m thinking,the CHICAGO WEASEL!!:)

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:47 PM

I do not understand what the MSM is on about on this.

Col Oliver North explained it very well on Geraldo last night.

He said there is an Executive Order from Reagan that says the US cannot assassinate a country’s leader, and that every POTUS since then has agreed to that E.O.

So, says Ollie, the mission is clearly to get him the hell out of there but we cannot intentionally ‘target’ him or we are violating the EO.

So, we clearly want the Libyan rebels to take care of business as necessary and/or hope UK/France who do not? have this EO limitation to do it.

Why is everyone being so obtuse on this?

ginaswo on March 21, 2011 at 5:48 PM

So the playing field is level now? The rebels are ready to march on Tripoli again? Both sides armed with only small arms and edged weapons?

I’m doubting the totals of created and saved lives by this method.

BL@KBIRD on March 21, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Will there be calls for Gates resignation like Rumsfeld? I’m gonna go out on a limb and say no.

ramrants on March 21, 2011 at 5:45 PM

I suspect Gates will be resigning anyway at some point. The three females steamrollered him on this whole affair. I doubt that sits well.

a capella on March 21, 2011 at 5:49 PM

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM

2nd that C

cmsinaz on March 21, 2011 at 5:51 PM

profitsbeard:I`m thinking,the CHICAGO WEASEL!!:)

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:47 PM

agree….

cmsinaz on March 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM

What happens if the Brits happen onto the Lockerbie bomber?
Awkward, eh?

a capella on March 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Not to worry…they’ll fix him a nice, hot cuppa, while one of their medics gives him a thorough physical to make sure he’s doing well.

Christien on March 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Getting NATO to take over this mission before Turkish demagoguery scares Italy into kicking the coalition off of its bases

according dear leader that’ll be days not weeks

yeah, right…ain’t gonna happen

cmsinaz on March 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM

From the Anti-War Capitol of the US of A!
NOTICE THEIR STACHE FIXATION!!
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John Bolton as Prez: Rips Sec. Gates, Obama on their Libya plan (2-VIDEOS)
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Sacramento — The Foreign News Bureau of Shaky Hand Productions asked former UN Ambassador John Bolton — one of the strongest backers of the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — what he’d have done differently in Libya. The Amb is here in Sacramento speaking to the California GOP Party convention.

Since he said he’s considering running for prez because he thinks President Obama has been lame on foreign policy, here’s Amb Bolton on what a President Bolton would have done. (The first part of his answer is him critiquing Defense Secretary Gates as a “career bureacrat”:
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And on the moustache — it is not quite as impressive in person as we thought. Perhaps a bit overrated. Don’t get us wrong, it’s a great ‘stache. But we expected something bigger, more epic, after hearing about it for all these years. Kind of like the disappointment we felt after finally going to Graceland.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?entry_id=85368#ixzz1HH1yzTZU

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 5:57 PM

a capella on March 21, 2011 at 5:47 PM

International media does not touch the U.S. shores if there is a slight criticism of the One and Only.

betsyz on March 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Ain’t no issue The Won cannot straddle.

GarandFan on March 21, 2011 at 5:59 PM

The three females steamrollered him on this whole affair. I doubt that sits well.

a capella on March 21, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Hillary, Angela, and Barry?

bofh on March 21, 2011 at 6:00 PM

As expected, with the first days of the air campaign going well, the public Masturbating Bears at MSNBC have rallied behind him and the mission. Last week, only 56 percent supported a no-fly zone; today, 70 percent do.

If a poll came out right now that told me that the sky was blue, I’d still dive into the internals.

turfmann on March 21, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Getting NATO to take over this mission before Turkish demagoguery scares Italy into kicking the coalition off of its bases
according dear leader that’ll be days not weeks

yeah, right…ain’t gonna happen

cmsinaz on March 21, 2011 at 5:55 PM

cmsinaz:Heres the Coalition Forces:)
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The Weapons We’re Hitting Gadhafi With
Mar 20 2011
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I’m sure you’ve read all about the air strikes going on in Libya right now so I’ll spare you from any recap.

However, I want to share this quick rundown of all the allied weaponry being thrown at Col. Gadhafi’s forces

that my old colleague Chris Cavas tacked on to the end of a story about the strikes. It’s apparent that the U.S. and our allies are throwing all the tools of modern, high-end war at the Libyan government, from submarine-launched cruise missiles to strikes by B-2 Spirit bombers and British Tornado and French Rafale fighters. Even ancient airframes mounted with modern sensors like the Navy’s P-3 Orion and EP-3 Aries patrol planes are in the mix. It’s an example of the type of old fashioned, high-tech, knock em dead with overwhelming force, air– and sea-campaign that we haven’t seen for a while.

Here we go:
(More….)

http://defensetech.org/2011/03/20/the-weapons-were-hitting-ghadafi-with/

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Best bet for suppressing Libyan anti-air defenses was ten cruise missiles arriving in pairs twenty seconds apart at Q’s compound at the start of this clusterf***.

I really think a Libya/East Libya partition with a NATO 24/7 air patrol is more likely than not. Q still has his benefactors (Syria, Belarus) and likely other ones on the sly like Russia and Iran for the sheer mayhem/fun of it.

Obviously, we don’t benefit from this.

ex Dem from Miami on March 21, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Ain’t no issue The Won cannot straddle.

GarandFan on March 21, 2011 at 5:59 PM

GarandFan:Lol,nailed it!!:)

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 6:06 PM

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 6:04 PM

interesting…thanks for the linky :)

cmsinaz on March 21, 2011 at 6:07 PM

ouch….brit hume

‘apparently failure is an option’

that is gonna leave a mark

cmsinaz on March 21, 2011 at 6:11 PM

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 6:04 PM
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interesting…thanks for the linky :)

cmsinaz on March 21, 2011 at 6:07 PM

cmsinaz:)

canopfor on March 21, 2011 at 6:28 PM

We don’t have enough money to buy a carrot to put on the end of that stick, Barry.

portlandon on March 21, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Maybe a high-speed train project for Lybia, since no state seems to want the damn thing…

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Obviously this push in support has to be coming from center to right. Farrakhan made it VERY clear where he stands. He went so far as to say to Obama…who the he!! do you think you are? LOL

Kucinich and friends want to impeach him. I’m sure there are many far left commies who feel the same. I just can’t believe they are the ones rallying around the flag of a country they obviously hate.

capejasmine on March 21, 2011 at 6:43 PM

With no due respect, he looks ill.

Key West Reader on March 21, 2011 at 6:52 PM

On another thread, it was suggested that the US military would not be inspired by their vacationing CINC on the opening of hostilities in yet another foreign land.

I beg to differ. I’m sure that the vast majority of soldiers, airmen, and high level generals are quite comfortable knowing that Barack Obama is nowhere the battlefield.

BobMbx on March 21, 2011 at 6:54 PM

He’s a pimply faced pipsqueak that leaders kick around.

OK, we get it. We get the joke, he gets it, his wife gets it, his kids get it and the World gets it. He’ll be gone very soon.

…..Now, it is time to make a forward statement of fact:

That America is a Nation of Integrity.
We are A Nation of Principles.
We are a Nation of Laws
We are a Nation that Cherishes our Allies
We are a Nation that our Foes should and will Fear

Barack Hussein Obama was a failed experiment.
He will be tossed.

Experiment with America at your peril.

Key West Reader on March 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Taking a photo of an enemy combatant – could be considered a confirmed kill — don’t you have to have proof for the record — just sayin — let’s see they cut off our soldiers heads and body parts and pose don’t they — at least these guys were intact —

wheels on March 21, 2011 at 7:51 PM