Quotes of the day

posted at 8:30 pm on March 19, 2011 by Allahpundit

“Berman praised the administration’s action, but noted that the current plan is limited to protecting civilians and does not allow international forces to actively overthrow the Libyan government.

“‘There is now an international consensus that Qaddafi must go, but what does not yet exist is an international consensus on how to get Qaddafi to leave power,’ he said.”

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“Beyond the Security Council’s authorization to try to keep Mr. Qaddafi’s air forces from attacking civilians and rebel fighters, Western diplomats said there was no clear endgame. Many of the leaders in Paris have called for Colonel Qaddafi to quit, and it may be that military intervention leads to negotiations with the opposition for the colonel and his family to go — or, at the least, buys time for the rebels to regroup.

“There are political risks, though. One widely held concern is the possibility of a divided Libya with no clear authority, opening the door for Islamic extremists to begin operating in a country that had formerly been closed to them. And while the cooperative military mission was clear punitive measure against Mr. Qaddafi’s attacks on the Libyan opposition, there have been few penalties so far for allied Arab governments in Bahrain and Yemen that have violently cracked down on their own protest movements.”

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“According to a cache of al Qaeda documents captured in 2007 by U.S. special operations commandos in Sinjar, Iraq, hundreds of foreign fighters, many of them untrained young Islamic volunteers, poured into Iraq in 2006 and 2007. The documents, called the Sinjar documents, were collected, translated and analyzed at the West Point Counter Terrorism Center. Almost one in five foreign fighters arriving in Iraq came from eastern Libya, from the towns of Surt, Misurata and Darnah.

“On a per capita basis, that’s more than twice as many than came from any other Arabic-speaking country, amounting to what the counter terrorism center called a Libyan ‘surge’ of young men eager to kill Americans…

“‘Lingering civil conflict in Libya (certain to happen if Gaddafi clings to power) would create ample ground for radicalization and extremist recruitment,’ Yasser al-Shimy, an Egyptian diplomat who defected during the last days of the Mubarak regime, wrote recently. Protracted civil conflict ‘usually induces radicalization and chaos. In other words, Libya might turn into a giant Somalia: a failed state on Egypt’s borders with radical groups taking advantage of the mayhem,’ al-Shimy wrote in the blog, Best Defense. Or as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Friday about the immediate future of Libya: ‘We don’t know what the outcome will be.’”

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“It was important to the U.S. that Libyans and the world understand that this coalition of the willing was more than a U.S. rhetorical construct. An hour before bombing began Saturday, Clinton spoke to the press in Paris. Asked why military action was in America’s interest, she gave three reasons and implied a fourth. A destabilizing force would jeopardize progress in Tunisia and Egypt; a humanitarian disaster was imminent unless prevented; Qaddafi could not flout international law without consequences. The fourth: there’s a line now, and one that others countries had better not cross.

“The development of a new doctrine in the Middle East is taking form, and it could become a paradigm for how the international community deals with unrest across the region from now on. The new elements include the direct participation of the Arab world, the visible participation of U.S. allies, as well as a very specific set of military targets designed to forestall needless human suffering. Though the Libyan situation is quite unique – its military is nowhere near as strong as Iran’s is, for one thing – Obama hopes that a short, surgical, non-US-led campaign with no ground troops will satisfy Americans skeptical about military intervention and will not arouse the suspicions of Arabs and Muslims that the U.S. is attempting to influence indigenously growing democracies.”

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“[W]e should differentiate when dealing with different countries. In the case of Libya, there is no way out being offered to its people. It is the status quo or nothing. When Libya changed its external policy—renouncing terrorism, co-operating against Al Qaeda, giving up its nuclear and chemical weapons program—I believe we were right to alter our relationship with them. At the onset of the popular uprising, the Gadhafi regime could have decided to agree to a proper and credible process of internal change. I urged Col. Gadhafi to take that route out. Instead he decided to crush it by force. No credible path to a better constitution was put forward.

“By contrast, around the Gulf, countries are reforming in the right direction. The pace may need to quicken, but here it is right to support such a process and to stand by our allies. Even though there can be no justification for the use of violence against unarmed civilians in Bahrain, there is a strong case for supporting the process of negotiation led by the Crown Prince, which does offer a means of peaceful transition to constitutional monarchy. This is not realpolitik over principle. It is a recognition that it is infinitely preferable to encourage reform that happens with stability than to push societies into a revolution whose motivations will be mixed and whose outcome will be uncertain…

“Some years ago, under the previous U.S. administration, there was a concept called the Greater Middle East Initiative, which focused on how to help bring about change in the region. The circumstances of the time were not propitious. They are today. We should politely but firmly resist those who tell us this is not our business. It is. In dealing with it, we should show respect but also strength, the courage of our convictions, and the self-confident belief that we can achieve our aims.”

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“Qaddafi said: ‘The interests of the involved countries will be subjected to threats as of now in the Mediterranean Sea because of this aggressive, foolish act that’s completely unjustifiable, other than it is a mere crusader colonial aggression that aims to launch a second wide ranging crusader campaign.’”

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Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 12:46 AM

LOL @ your PS. If war-monger Arafat didn’t have to give back his, I guess O won’t either ;)

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Go check out dougross@journal, he has a roundup of the top 25 mission names, some are very funny. My fav..Operation FINE I’ll do Something.

kringeesmom on March 20, 2011 at 12:54 AM

It should be noted that Sarah Palin was way ahead of the curve, and if the inept Regime along with 52% had listened… well
Kini on March 20, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Actually, I think Palin was wrong there. I’m sorry you posted it… I thought she had better sense.

We have absolutely nothing to gain, in any way, even temporary PR value, in attacking even just the air defense installations of Libya.

It is like when the Vampires and the Zombies fight. Let them have at it. We gain nothing by aiding either side.

Supporting democracy? Crud…. So they get to vote on who leads them in Jihad against Israel and America. Big whoop. Better off just letting the head Vampire that somewhat learned his lesson having gotten singed last time he came out in the sun, stay in charge as long as he can.

We are going to need those Cruise Missiles we are wasting for a real threat, soon enough.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Thanks for the reminder about Arafat getting a Nobel Peace Prize!..Didn’t they bury Arafat in a garbage dump?!?..:)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 12:59 AM

We are going to need those Cruise Missiles we are wasting for a real threat, soon enough.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 12:57 AM

Good point!..:)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 1:00 AM

Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Did they? After he was dead, I didn’t pay him any more mind. I wouldn’t have been surprised though if he had had a gold coffin, what with all the monies he stole (that was supposed to go to the Palis).

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 1:04 AM

….Lord I miss W and Rumsfeld..Do not have no confidence in Gates ….
Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Nor do I… I opposed the barely competent squish from the beginning when Bush nominated him.
That said; even HE had sense enough to caution against this, until directly ordered to make it happen.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 1:05 AM

Obama launching war on Libya while on family vacation in Rio = super-president who can multitask and not cancel important visit with key ally

Bush spending August at ranch in Texas 5 months after invading Iraq = lazy, out-of-touch douchebag

rockmom on March 20, 2011 at 1:08 AM

even HE had sense enough to caution against this, until directly ordered to make it happen.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 1:05 AM

…until Hillary threatened to leave, thus ruining Obama’s reelection chances, and the Prince in Chief had to give her a hankerchief.

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 1:04 AM

lol!..I do not know where they buried the scumbag Arafat..But it should have been a garbage dump!..:)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 1:15 AM

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 1:05 AM

You are right!..It probably was not Gates call in the end..:)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 1:18 AM

…until Hillary threatened to leave, thus ruining Obama’s reelection chances, and the Prince in Chief had to give her a hankerchief.

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Interesting theory!..Very interesting..:)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 1:18 AM

Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 1:15 AM

ITA! But no matter what happened to his body, I’m pretty confident what happened to his soul… it’s HOT.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 1:40 AM

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 1:40 AM

I agree!..:)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 1:46 AM

Read a couple different places that Hillary, Rice and some other gal were pressing really hard for this, ø was either against it or dithering. Then ø suddenly decided, like a whim, to go for it. A couple news articles call it a win for Hillary, pushing ø into it. Maybe she really did threaten to bail if ø didn’t make up his mind, and she could do him lots of harm.

Wish I had the links, saw it hours ago.

So if ø didn’t get bullied into it by Hillary, or do it to salve his ego from being called Ditherer in Chief, or for a bounce in the polls, it probably just tickled him to death that in a couple hours he could blow the $10 billion the GOP has worked to cut in the House. Bet it made his day to think of all the $ raining down on Libya.

jodetoad on March 20, 2011 at 1:51 AM

It’s been a busy weekend, so maybe I missed it, but did President Obama go to Congress to get authorization to go to war against another country?

I’m pretty sure he’s supposed to do that.

BadgerHawk on March 20, 2011 at 1:54 AM

I’m pretty sure he’s supposed to do that.
BadgerHawk on March 20, 2011 at 1:54 AM

Actually, Under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, he is allowed to do this without getting permission from Congress. He merely has to notify them within 48 hours of ‘pulling the trigger’… and he gets 60 / 90 days to ‘play’ before Congress can say yes or no.

So, he is within the letter of the law, if not the spirit of the law.

On the other hand, he is acting as a puppet of the Arab League and the UN, rather than in the interests of the United States of America…. (or even his personal interests)… So who the he77 knows what treaties he is and statutes are violating or in compliance.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 2:10 AM

No one will give up Nukes now. Qaddafi did and we now know he cant do anyone else harm, but through terrorism.

Any think that if the Israel gave up all their Nukes, that they would then be attack?

We have done nothing to North Korea and Iran, because they have nukes. But we can get into a struggle in Libya, because there is no threat to us.

We have now showed them that if they want to survive, they must never give up their nukes, because we will attack them if they do.

WoosterOh on March 20, 2011 at 2:11 AM

Sorry, that last sentence makes no sense… but y’all get the drift, I reckon.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 2:12 AM

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 2:12 AM

Excellent post!..We definitely get your drift!..:)

Dire Straits on March 20, 2011 at 2:15 AM

The whole world has gone to hell in a handbasket since 0bama took office.
One flew over the cuckoo’s nest.

OmahaConservative on March 20, 2011 at 2:39 AM

We are going to need those Cruise Missiles we are wasting for a real threat, soon enough.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 12:57 AM

We can make them fast enough. It’s the dithering that Obama demonstrates shows lack of leadership.

Better to have rid the world of an insane terrorist than let him carry on like Saddam Insane.

The Religion of Peace in North Africa is a Gutter Religion. Full of sand fleas and camel dung. Then there is the people that just want to live in peace and freedom.

The eventual decision to go No Fly Zone was inevitable, Sarah Palin called it. No Sorry’s!

Aur gain, is like any risk taking, there are rewards and losses. With Barry, I’m betting on losses. If this were Gov. Palin, I would bank on that investment.

Kini on March 20, 2011 at 2:40 AM

Someone tell me if I’m crazy for thinking a covert support of rebels with anti aircraft weaponry would have been a better choice. Special Activities Division stuff. I honestly don’t know.

blatantblue on March 20, 2011 at 2:46 AM

Thanks Legend.

BadgerHawk on March 20, 2011 at 2:50 AM

Someone tell me if I’m crazy for thinking a covert support of rebels with anti aircraft weaponry would have been a better choice. Special Activities Division stuff. I honestly don’t know.

blatantblue on March 20, 2011 at 2:46 AM

Near impossible without a stream of support that know the landscape and the people. We have nothing like that in place.

Kini on March 20, 2011 at 2:54 AM

It’s been a busy weekend, so maybe I missed it, but did President Obama go to Congress to get authorization to go to war against another country?

I’m pretty sure he’s supposed to do that.

BadgerHawk on March 20, 2011 at 1:54 AM

Barry had a busy weekend, too; partying in Rio and all, he just didn’t have time to consult congress.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 2:55 AM

Rebar on March 20, 2011 at 2:37 AM

I heard today the British PM emphasize that this was a “legal war” so if the UK and the UN say it’s legal, Barry doesn’t need to consult no stinkin’ ancient document like the Constitution, doncha know.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 2:56 AM

Barry had a busy weekend, too; partying in Rio and all, he just didn’t have time to consult congress.

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 2:55 AM

Nothing like starting a third front and then going on vacation.

Kini on March 20, 2011 at 2:57 AM

blatantblue on March 20, 2011 at 2:46 AM

Well, we saw what the rebels were doing with *broken* anti-aircraft weapons, imagine what they’d have done if we’d supplied them with working ones…

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 2:58 AM

Kini on March 20, 2011 at 2:57 AM

I always wonder that these people don’t care about optics! I know his heart’s not in this as he seems to have no support for these rebels, but he could at least pretend to like freedom! Going on vacay on the same day as ordering strikes comes off as really bad PR. I thought he was the king of PR ///

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 3:01 AM

Well, we saw what the rebels were doing with *broken* anti-aircraft weapons, imagine what they’d have done if we’d supplied them with working ones…

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 2:58 AM

I don’t like the idea of supplying them arms. I rather level the playing field by killing Kadaffy’s air superiority. And helping those that would be our friends.

Kini on March 20, 2011 at 3:02 AM

Clearly Soetoro violated the act, and is waging an illegal war.
Rebar on March 20, 2011 at 2:37 AM

Meh, the Resolution has been argued over like that since its inception; If the dang lawyers had any sense they would have taken it to the USSC and demanded a ruling or clarification from Congress. I was talking about what is enforceable, NOT what is proper or Constitutional.

And various UN treaties just muddy the hell out of the waters for anyone but those who will find fault with 0bama for any reason, and “Ron Pauler / Pat Buchanan isolationists (rare occasion that I get to put those two in the same sentence).

Besides, 3/4ths of the Democrats and all of the Republican squishes in Congress would support it at the moment, so it it a moot point, as you have an easy 2/3rds majority in Congress who would support it if they had the opportunity.

Don’t get me wrong: I think the whole thing is stupid and we should have never gone beyond 0bama’s early empty platitudes. I’m just telling you that what is, is.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 3:03 AM

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 3:01 AM

Keeping up appearances seems to be inline with Clinton’s strategy of acting tough, but lobbing a few bombs into a country.

A calculated risk? Perhaps. The “We’re going to War, and I’m going to Rio”, doesn’t paint a picture of confidence.

Meanwhile, the impression is Pharaoh Barry is playing with a toy army.

Kini on March 20, 2011 at 3:11 AM

I can’t believe how many people that I thought were pretty smart believe that this is all about other folks, just like us, seeking democracy, and freedom from a despotic ruler.

The vast majority of ‘The Rebel Alliance’ want to replace a semi-secular despot with a smidgen of respect for the powers of the civilized world with a theocratic despot who has no respect at all for folks like us.

You are NOT going to get Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia out of a fight between Darth Vader and Governor Tarkin over who gets to control the Death Star.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 3:13 AM

I wonder if the House of Saud gave BillyJeff a buzz and called in a few chits that he owes them…

Gohawgs on March 20, 2011 at 3:15 AM

Another gem from your link:
….Hope and Change!!!!!
Baxter Greene on March 19, 2011 at 10:57 PM

I think the last Q & A is the most ironic.

12. Do you think it is important for all would-be presidents to answer questions like these before voters decide which one to entrust with the powers of the presidency? What would you say about any rival candidate who refuses to answer such questions?

Yes, these are essential questions that all the candidates should answer. Any President takes an oath to, “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” The American people need to know where we stand on these issues before they entrust us with this responsibility – particularly at a time when our laws, our traditions, and our Constitution have been repeatedly challenged by this Administration.

DSchoen on March 20, 2011 at 3:31 AM

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 3:13 AM

It’s not like I have a whole lot of hope for anywhere in the ME — never have actually — not with Islam at the helm. BUT, I do watch Barry and he was not supporting the rebels until today; since he’s 100% of the time WRONG, I figure those rebels just might be right :) I think they might be like the Iranian protesters.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 3:35 AM

blatantblue on March 20, 2011 at 2:46 AM

As a pilot, I’m not a big fan of giving anti-aircraft weapons to people who may or may not use them against us somehwere down the road.

BadgerHawk on March 20, 2011 at 3:49 AM

Have we ever had a President who had us in three wars at the same time? Obama must be the neocons wet dream.

Murphy9 on March 20, 2011 at 3:53 AM

As a pilot, I’m not a big fan of giving anti-aircraft weapons to people who may or may not use them against us somehwere down the road.

BadgerHawk on March 20, 2011 at 3:49 AM

You don’t have to worry about that. They are Soldiers of Allah. You are an Infidel pig or ape. They will.

Murphy9 on March 20, 2011 at 3:55 AM

Save the Libyan Rebels! Save the Libyan Rebels! Save the Libyan Rebels!

It’s like 1776 all over again!!!

Isn’t it?

Murphy9 on March 20, 2011 at 3:56 AM

Where are the WMDs, Mr. Obama?

Ronnie on March 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM

there have been few penalties so far for allied Arab governments in Bahrain and Yemen that have violently cracked down on their own protest movements.

What penalties? And our dear ally, Saudi Arabia, has invaded Bahrain with 3,500 troops, including a tank battalion, to shoot the people demonstrating there against their despot.

Murphy9 on March 20, 2011 at 4:05 AM

I wonder if the House of Saud gave BillyJeff a buzz and called in a few chits that he owes them…

Gohawgs on March 20, 2011 at 3:15 AM

Ya know that seems very likely. Saudis bend Bill’s ear and in turn HRC jumps to the tune. Especially given that Bill’s fees for speeches had to be cleared of all appearances of conflict of interest due to his connection to the SOS. Wasn’t that issue raised IIRC?

Good call Hawgs.

Geochelone on March 20, 2011 at 4:09 AM

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 3:35 AM

You gotta look deeper: 0bama’s buddy “Reverend” Wright is good Buddies with Calypso Louie Farrakhan… Who is good buddies with Muammar ‘Kadaffy’… But he is also a semi-supporter of radical islam… as long as they don’t cause him any problems here at home. So the guy is naturally conflicted.

Merely by accident, his dithering as to which side to support, led to making the only ‘wise’ decision he has ever made: to merely mouth empty platitudes. But once he got his orders from the Arab League and the UN (and perhaps Hillary, and Soros, but that is a whole different dynamic) he committed our forces and our money to a fight in which even if we ‘win’ in the short term, we will lose in the long term.

Like the stopped clock is right… by accident…. twice a day. Basing your analysis on him being wrong 100% of the time is no good substitute for thinking the whole thing thorough with what you know, and what your instincts expect with all your previous understanding of the underlying realities of the situation.

You, and 95% of the talking heads in the media, and probably 70% of Congress have fallen into the trap of HOPE and thinking that CHANGE is a good thing, without really considering that the odds that the CHANGE will be a change to the worse, not to the better.

You don’t have to be an expert on the Middle East or an expert on Islam to know where this little adventure into “Hope and Change” is likely to lead. The slightest grasp of recent history, with little deep thought necessary, will lead you to enough understanding if you ignore the popular ‘groupthink’ that is being put out by people who are either clueless, or with an an agenda which is inimical to that of the Average American.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 4:30 AM

You guys saw that Farrakan video, right?
Now normally I would just laugh at people freaking out like that, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s DAMN serious.

B Man on March 20, 2011 at 5:12 AM

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 4:30 AM

I was being sarcastic for pity’s sake! I’ve been studying the ME for 20 yrs now and certainly don’t base my ideas upon a whippersnapper like Obama. But, it *IS* true that he did not support the Iranian protesters. That he did support the anti-Mubarak uprising (fueled by the MB). That he didn’t support the Libyan rebels *does* makes one think that they must be right and he wrong, esp. since Obama has a conflict of interest re: Qadaffi (Rev Wright, Farrakan, and rumors of O’s step-mother Sarah visiting Qadaffi). Also, the US’s agreement to let the Lockerby terrorist go home to Libya. O likes Qaddafi and is only supporting the rebels because he was virtually forced into it. He doesn’t want Q out of power.

To accuse me of thinking (or actually not thinking) just like the “talking heads” on tv; well, them’s fightin’ words!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on March 20, 2011 at 5:25 AM

Geochelone on March 20, 2011 at 4:09 AM

The Sauds, along with other ME countries, gave lots of money to the Clinton Library Foundation to help get the library built. The Sauds have also given a bunch of money to the UofA to fund a ME program/institute…

Gohawgs on March 20, 2011 at 5:28 AM

Maybe Hillary really did have something to do with it, too.

A couple days after she says she’s done and rumors are she’s mad as hell, this happens.

He authorizes missile strikes……then goes to Rio. Any other president I’d think, WTF?? But, with this guy it’s not surprising.
Doing it to keep Hillary on board? Makes some sense.

B Man on March 20, 2011 at 5:31 AM

Doing it to keep Hillary on board? Makes some sense.

B Man on March 20, 2011 at 5:31 AM

I agree. He can’t have her quitting now, it would make him appear even weaker than he is (if that’s possible). Plus he couldn’t afford the soon to appear “off the record comments” concerning the obamanation’s interactions with Hillary from BillyJeff…

Gohawgs on March 20, 2011 at 5:37 AM

If you’re on Facebook, report this page calling for a 3rd Intifada

The creators of the page say that Muslims will boycott Facebook if it’s taken down, heh.

mudskipper on March 20, 2011 at 5:38 AM

As seen at Just One Minute:

What I like about Obama

Obviously, the biggest problem with Bush was sending the military into an Arab Muslim country that hadn’t even attacked us. Among the several things that made that offensive were
* the rush to war – it was only several months after the possibility of military involvement was raised that combat operations began
* lack of United Nations sanction – only 17 relevant resolutions were ever passed before they were enforced
* lack of Congressional oversight – the President authorized the use of military force based on the flimsy pretext of a bill passed by Congress titled “Authorization of the Use of Military Force”, rather than seeking a document that had the words “declaration of war” in it; that’s every bit as bad as getting no Congressional approval at all
* obvious financial motives – clearly no one approved of the murderous dictator or sought a normal working relationship with him besides the French; at the same time, one couldn’t help but be suspicious of the fact that the population we were ostensibly protecting was located conveniently near the oil fields
* stretching our military – we were overburdened as it was, and our brave military despite its courage lacked the resources for yet another operation
* inflating our military – the only way to keep the bloodthirsty Pentagon beast fed was to give it the hordes of jobless young men who had no prospects in an economy that saw unemployment skyrocket above 4% in most states
* ignoring our generals – the decision to go to war was made by political hacks who had never worn a uniform
* inflaming the Arab Street – despite some touchy-feely talk about Islam, it was impossible for the Muslim world not to notice how the President made repeated, insistent proclamations of his Christianity, how he only ever used the military against Muslim targets, and how at the time the war started he’d kept the concentration camp at Guantanamo open for over a year
* wasting money – it was completely irresponsible to commit the military to an expensive mission when the President’s fiscal mismanagement had resulted in a budget deficit of over $150 billion in 2002

But anyway, what I really like about Obama is that he’s gone 29-3 in his bracket picks over the first two days. You have to spend a lot of time watching college basketball to be that good.

Posted by: bgates | March 19, 2011 at 02:18 PM

Remember the fierce moral urgency of change?

Do remind the Left about their ever changing morality and lack of ethics.

ajacksonian on March 20, 2011 at 6:30 AM

We just made Libya our problem. Too late to change that.

elfman on March 20, 2011 at 7:18 AM

Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and the war on terrorism have reduced the pace of military transformation and have revealed our lack of preparation for defensive and stability operations. This Administration has overextended our military.
Barack Obama

Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/barackobam375654.html#ixzz1H8brng5l

ted c on March 20, 2011 at 7:22 AM

We do so with no illusions. We understand change doesn’t come quick. We understand that neither America nor any nation can dictate every outcome beyond its borders. We know that a world of mortal men and women will never be rid of oppression or evil. What we can do, what we must do, is work and reach and fight for the world that we seek – all of us, those in uniform and those who are not.

And in preparing for today, I turned to the world – to the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes. And reflecting on his Civil War experience, he said, and I quote, “To fight out a war you must believe in something and want something with all your might. So must you do to carry anything else to an end worth reaching.” Holmes went on, “More than that, you must be willing to commit yourself to a course, perhaps a long and hard one, without being able to foresee exactly where you will come out.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/22/national/main6509577.shtml

As long as that end worth reaching places you in Rio as just a waystation along that ‘long hard way…’

ted c on March 20, 2011 at 7:29 AM

Colin Powell to Bush Obama “If you break it – You own it.”

BigAlSouth on March 20, 2011 at 7:50 AM

good point, what does Colin Powell think of this lil’ ‘Odyssey’?

ted c on March 20, 2011 at 8:04 AM

Did you know the Obama Libyan war started exactly 8 years to the day that Bush attacked Iraq?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

albill on March 20, 2011 at 8:09 AM

Well, this will do wonders for limiting nuclear proliferation. Right now Qaddafi is kicking himself for stopping development of nuclear weapons. If Europe and US even suspected he had nuclear weapons they most likely would not have taken action. (Imagine if Qaddafi with even limited credibility could claim he had a weapon planted in London or Paris…) Iran knows this is will continue to ignore UN directives etc. and develop the bomb.

Over50 on March 20, 2011 at 8:25 AM

“By contrast, around the Gulf, countries are reforming in the right direction

I somehow truly doubt that. Considering the utter backwardness & savageness concerning human rights, Democracy, etc., I truly doubt any of these people steeped in the poison that is islam will ever be able to reform in the ‘right’ direction.

So far there are MORE LIBYANS who want FREEDOM than the 112 jihadis….many more.
orbitalair on March 19, 2011 at 9:01 PM

I’ll take your word for those numbers. However, these people wouldn’t know what to do with freedom if it bit them in the a$$.

As a pilot, I’m not a big fan of giving anti-aircraft weapons to people who may or may not use them against us somehwere down the road.
BadgerHawk on March 20, 2011 at 3:49 AM
You don’t have to worry about that. They are Soldiers of Allah. You are an Infidel pig or ape. They will.
Murphy9 on March 20, 2011 at 3:55 AM

This is why we must just take care of things from the air if we can & leave these turds to mop things up. Help give the people a chance to fight back on their own without giving them stuff.

Badger40 on March 20, 2011 at 8:45 AM

mornin all

so dear leader is still in rio and our forces are in libya…

cmsinaz on March 20, 2011 at 8:53 AM

ted c on March 20, 2011 at 7:22 AM

funny

war ok for me but not for thee

cmsinaz on March 20, 2011 at 9:00 AM

so dear leader is still in rio and our forces are in libya…

cmsinaz on March 20, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Is this not the equivalent of a battalion/squadron commander committing his men to a battle, then taking off on leave the same day??

ted c on March 20, 2011 at 9:01 AM

For the love of God! Drudge is reporting protests in the streets of Iran! What will Obama do now?
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/thousands-iran-march-support-arab-revolts-20110318-062104-720.html

JellyToast on March 20, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Drudge is reporting protests in the streets of Iran! What will Obama do now?

JellyToast on March 20, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Says here he’s going to Rio today. Gonna give a speech, visit the Christ the Redeemer statue, and he’s going to check out a favella. Poor guy won’t have time for golf or the beach!

forest on March 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM

ted c on March 20, 2011 at 9:01 AM

why yes it is…can you imagine if w did this? holy macaronies…chuck todd keeps giving him cover, justifying this trip right now…pathetic

cmsinaz on March 20, 2011 at 9:13 AM

The boss is dancing a Samba in Rio and we’re supporting Al Qaeda against Khaddafi and all’s well in the world.
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FactsofLife on March 20, 2011 at 9:17 AM

Well, this will do wonders for limiting nuclear proliferation. Right now Qaddafi is kicking himself for stopping development of nuclear weapons

Think about it. Look at the example that is being set here. What are other leaders getting out of this? Don’t appease the US. Don’t move towards the US. Move towards radical Islam.
Obama lost Libya. Who knows, maybe our relations could have improved even more. There’s an article floating around I read yesterday about how pro western his family actually was.
Personally, I don’t think Obama minds making an example out of Qadaffy. He moved towards Bush. Libya was a positive bright spot out of liberating Iraq. Dick Cheney talked about it often when questioned on the benefits of our actions there. Now, Obama just wiped that right off the books.

JellyToast on March 20, 2011 at 9:18 AM

visit the Christ the Redeemer statue

forest on March 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM

For the life of me I cannot understand why such an un-Christ-like person would want to visit something representing all that he opposes.

Badger40 on March 20, 2011 at 9:42 AM

The article was painful to read and I stopped at

Hillary Rodham Clinton said instability in Libya threatened to clip the democratic aspirations of its two neighbors, Egypt and Tunisia. She was also worried about the message to Iran if the U.S. and its allies did nothing in Libya: America was so afraid of committing its military to protect Muslims and Arabs that it would allow virtually anything to happen.

Did she really say that?

We fought an blank-ing war in Iraq. In Libya half the ‘rebels’ are on the Iranian ticket and half are not. Who ya gonna comfort?

Paraphrased news is not trustworthy. True, the missile bit was Clintonian. But what if Obama wanted to out score his evil nemisis, B. Clinton?

I am torn on the missile attacks.

Even Cruise missiles get old. Maybe they had about a hundred missiles reaching their expiration date, and the mil decided it was time to clear inventory so someone told Obama he could beat B. Clinton’s war record. Obama would have to approve replacing the ones he blows up.

Searching for the price of Tomahawks in the Daily Mail UK

The Royal Navy bought 65 Tomahawks in 1995 at a cost of $1 million (£650,000) each from US defence firm Raytheon Systems. Two American destroyers, the USS Barry and Stout, have been deployed. According to a Pentagon source, each carries up to 96 Tomahawk missiles.
‘The total number of Tomahawks in our inventory is classified but I don’t think there’s any danger of running out,’ the spokesman said. ‘The bigger danger is we know virtually nothing about who’s going to control Libya after we wipe out Gaddafi.’

I believe this guy

entagor on March 20, 2011 at 9:58 AM

My take.

kingsjester on March 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

entagor on March 20, 2011 at 9:58 AM

I seem to remember Bill Clinton exhausted our supply of cruise missiles. When Bush took over our inventory was considerably low.

JellyToast on March 20, 2011 at 10:10 AM

The article was painful to read and I stopped at

Hillary Rodham Clinton said instability in Libya threatened to clip the democratic aspirations of its two neighbors, Egypt and Tunisia. She was also worried about the message to Iran if the U.S. and its allies did nothing in Libya: America was so afraid of committing its military to protect Muslims and Arabs that it would allow virtually anything to happen.

entagor on March 20, 2011 at 9:58 AM

I missed this.
Democratic aspirations? That’s an effing hoot.
I have maintained all along that any people with islam as their core political ideology, will never be able to acheive any kind of true democracy.
It’s perverse.
And as far as protecting muslims, why should we?
They clearly hate us. Their own ‘holy’ book teaches them to hate us kaffirs, infidels, etc.
And we all know what the true fate of a willful infidel is, according to their ‘holy’ book.
I’m not advocating violence toward muslims. Let this be clear.
And I do think that a hand on occasion should be given.
But if these backward ignorant people want to be free, let them fight for it on their own.

Badger40 on March 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM

If Khadaffy isn’t wormfood at the end of this exercise, it will have been an exercise in futility.

Libya’s future is going to be another Muslim mess.

But at least we can give an object lesson to other Islamic terrorists by offing a prominent terroristic Mohammedan loon.

profitsbeard on March 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Joint Chiefs Chairman Mullen says on TV just now that this military operation is NOT aimed at ousting Gadaffi. What?! So, basically, they’re giving folks in Libya a few more days before Gadaffi rolls in and kills them all. So they can write their wills? Pack some sandwiches? Catch the latest episode of “Mad Men”? They’re going to die — but not just yet. Great strategery ya got there, Mikey.

Obama: Slowing down dictators every where!

Rational Thought on March 20, 2011 at 10:32 AM

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 3:03 AM

The fact is, Soetoro violated the specific requirements of the war powers act – one would think using the US military illegally would be an impeachable offense.

Rebar on March 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Rebar on March 20, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Well, maybe enough members of Congress will agree with you and begin impeachment proceedings. Wouldn’t bother me a bit if they did.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Maybe B.O. realized this was a good opportunity to spend us further in debt. His overall plan seems to be to totally destroy our economy. War is a good way to rack up even more debt.

deewhybee on March 20, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Well, maybe enough members of Congress will agree with you and begin impeachment proceedings. Wouldn’t bother me a bit if they did.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 12:22 PM

So far, one, Kucinich.

We have one honest congrsscritter in Wash. D.C., dear Dennis Kucinich.

Schadenfreude on March 20, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Dennis Kucinich.
Schadenfreude on March 20, 2011 at 1:48 PM

And can Ron Paul be far behind? Odd that the two people who like to follow the constitution are such loons otherwise… and one a lefty.

LegendHasIt on March 20, 2011 at 1:58 PM

We have one honest congrsscritter in Wash. D.C., dear Dennis Kucinich.
 
Schadenfreude on March 20, 2011 at 1:48 PM

 
We are truly in bizarre times.

rogerb on March 20, 2011 at 3:34 PM

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