Hope: Radiation levels beyond 12 miles of Japanese nuke plant are near normal

posted at 9:11 pm on March 18, 2011 by Allahpundit

Terrific news, albeit with plenty of caveats.

“This is very important information,” says Hiroshima-based researcher Evan Douple, who has been studying the health of atomic bomb survivors for decades.

Douple says the new radiation levels, shown to him by NPR, “should be reassuring. At these levels so far, I don’t think a study would be able to measure that there would be any health effects” — even years from now…

The general picture is that radiation levels in the vicinity of the power plant are close to “background” levels at some locations. A background level is ever-present, low-level radiation given off by rocks, cosmic rays, fossil fuels and other natural sources. It accounts for about half the radiation exposure everyone gets, with medical tests accounting for the other half.

“Readings 10 times above background I don’t think one would bat an eyelash at, really,” says David Brenner, director of Columbia University’s Center for Radiation Research.

As I say, plenty of caveats. One: There are no measurements yet from within 12 miles of the plant, so an awful lot of people may still end up being told they can’t go home again. Two: There’s one particular spot beyond that radius, around 18 miles northwest of the plant, where radiation levels are high enough to raise the risk of long-term health problems — but only very slightly. Those levels could be due to many things, including local environmental variables, but it could also mean that the problem zone is expanding. Probably not, though, since the radiation at that spot actually declined from Thursday to Friday. If the “apocalypse now” scenario of spent fuel rods melting in a dry cooling pool is coming to pass, as U.S. officials have speculated, why aren’t those numbers increasing instead?

Three, and this is the big caveat: The numbers come from … the Japanese government, whose credibility has been disintegrating since the quake struck. Only this morning, days after U.S. nuke officials claimed that the situation is worse than Japan had admitted, did they finally acknowledge that this is a Level 5 nuclear crisis, not a Level 4. The White House has been collecting radiation data on the plant using its own instruments and has grown ominously quiet about what it’s seeing, although officials told NBC yesterday that some of the numbers suggest the possibility of “dire” outcomes. Whom do you trust more to be honest here? The USAF, or Japan?

They finally connected the new power line to reactor two but the cooling systems haven’t been tested yet. If they still work, there might be a way out of the crisis. If they don’t … no one knows. And no, unfortunately, “entombing” the plant in sand and concrete isn’t much of an option. That worked at Chernobyl because the reactor had already gone haywire and they needed to snuff it by any possible means. In this case, because the containment vessels are still largely intact, dropping heavy concrete or sandbags on them could bust them open. Or, in the case of the spent fuel rods, it could insulate them in a small space to the point where they get so hot that they melt straight through the concrete. Essentially, it’s a last-ditch, nothing-left-to-do solution, and we’re not there. Yet.


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Not sure I believe them. The Japanese authorities have been known to mislead in this crisis.

amerpundit on March 18, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Government can always be trusted to give the truth…no really.

Electrongod on March 18, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Whom do you trust to be more honest here? The USAF Obama, or Japan left-wing government?

Alien vs Predator?

sharrukin on March 18, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Who in the world came up with the idea of encasing an intact reactor in concrete? And if you have fuel rods exposed because the water in the cooling pool is low — why not just fill the pool back up with water?

I’m not sure I would trust our government — or our media at all. Sheesh. . . .suggesting I should stock up on potassium iodide. . .

Narniaman on March 18, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Radiation Readings,as of (13:00)March 18 2011
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http://www.mext.go.jp/component/a_menu/other/detail/__icsFiles/afieldfile/2011/03/18/1303727_12.pdf

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:21 PM

As expected.

Hiya Ciska on March 18, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Japan Radiation Maximum by Prefecture(Map)
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Updated on March 19, 2011 01:00 (JST)(Japan Standard Time)Realtime radiation data collected via the System for Prediction of Environment Emergency Dose Information(SPEEDI)

This Results are the maximum values of the space those ratedistributions shown from local governments in the latest updated date and time

Not surprisingly, Miyagi and Fukushima are completely N/A, as every single reading is Under Survey, also known as censored.nGy/h (nano- Grays per hour)Ishikawa is reported also as Under Survey

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=4870

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:24 PM

I think this whole nuclear “crisis” is being way overblown. Just like the Gulf of Mexico oil leak.

They’ll get the reactors under control and then dispose of them. Either by dismantling or burying them under concrete. This isn’t going to be Chernobyl and after a few years as the Japanese infrastructure starts returning to normal, you’ll never even know it happened, sans a few large man-made hills that the reactors are buried under.

KSgop on March 18, 2011 at 9:25 PM

If only one of those Japanese fembot developers could make one that could spray water.

pedestrian on March 18, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Seismic Damage to Fukushima(As of 15:00 Mar 18 2011)
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Nuclear And Industrial Safety Agency(NISA)

http://www.nisa.meti.go.jp/english/files/en20110318-3.pdf

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Video: Global Hawk over Fukushima

freedomplow on March 18, 2011 at 9:27 PM

The White House has been collecting radiation data on the plant using its own instruments and has grown ominously quiet about what it’s seeing, although officials told NBC yesterday that some of the numbers suggest the possibility of “dire” outcomes.

Maybe that will end up being embarrassingly quiet. Time will tell, the radiation levels aren’t the real important measure anyway, it’s the contamination levels and I’ll bet Teppco has plenty of survey teams out looking, or they should anyway. That is what we do here, but hey they have shown themselves to conduct emergency situations very different than utilities here in the US.

whbates on March 18, 2011 at 9:27 PM

If only one of those Japanese fembot developers could make one that could spray water.

pedestrian on March 18, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Hmmmm.

Electrongod on March 18, 2011 at 9:28 PM

In my world, the Japanese are taken care of…..Period….
The so-called brothers of peace are long forgotten….just in the dark ages where they belong. WE HAVE THE OIL.

betsyz on March 18, 2011 at 9:29 PM

I saw the presser with TEPCO, when they showed the CEO crying I was shocked. I think that worrieed me more than anything I’ve read. As for who do you trust? At this point, not many. The government may have been misled by TEPCO who has a history of falisfying rcords, even on sfaety issues. I hope and pray this turns out well. Thanks goes to the people who are working at the sites.

Deanna on March 18, 2011 at 9:30 PM

I think this whole nuclear “crisis” is being way overblown. Just like the Gulf of Mexico oil leak.

They’ll get the reactors under control and then dispose of them. Either by dismantling or burying them under concrete. This isn’t going to be Chernobyl and after a few years as the Japanese infrastructure starts returning to normal, you’ll never even know it happened, sans a few large man-made hills that the reactors are buried under.

KSgop on March 18, 2011 at 9:25 PM

I’m with you. Give it a couple more days. For Gods sakes, the news coverage has been more like a bomb was dropped.

Tim Zank on March 18, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Up to the minute …
Stars and Stripes
Published: March 17, 2011
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Read the newest postings here.

Stars and Stripes reporters across Japan and the world are sending disaster dispatches as they gather new facts, updated in real time. All times are local Tokyo time. For extended coverage, see the Earthquake Disaster in Japan page here.

Update on Yokota departures

http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/earthquake-disaster-in-japan/up-to-the-minute-1.138092
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Up to the minute …
Stars and Stripes
Published: March 16, 2011

Stars and Stripes reporters across Japan and the world are sending disaster dispatches as they gather new facts, updated in real time. All times are local Tokyo time.

http://www.stripes.com/mobile/news/pacific/earthquake-disaster-in-japan/up-to-the-minute-1.137957

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:31 PM

The White House has been collecting radiation data on the plant using its own instruments and has grown ominously quiet about what it’s seeing, although officials told NBC yesterday that some of the numbers suggest the possibility of “dire” outcomes. Whom do you trust more to be honest here? The USAF, or Japan?

So the Obama White House somehow has got their own set of instruments on ground at the power plant?

Or are they flying Recon flights over the plant with some sort of super sophisticated gamma counter?

Narniaman on March 18, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Once the radiation spikes are smoothed out, there probably isn’t much radiation escaping. At least nothing that’s dangerous to health, or lasting.

RBMN on March 18, 2011 at 9:38 PM

International Atomic Energy Agency
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Summary of reactor unit status at 18 March – Graham Andrew7 hours ago

http://www.slideshare.net/iaea/summary-of-reactor-unit-status-at-18-march-graham-andrew
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Japan Sendai Earthquake Data Portal
Lots of Links Related
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Japan 8.9 Earthquake and aftershock seismic activities

ERDAS Minamisanrikucho pre and post image comparison

ERDAS Japan Disaster Image Viewer

The Center for Satellite Based Crisis Information (ZKI) ZKI Interactive Satellite Images

Global earthquake activity since 1973 and nuclear power plant locations

Radiation Network Monitor Maps
(More..)

http://cegrp.cga.harvard.edu/japan/?q=webmaps

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Pretty much on the course…but who would you believe, mere gadgets, or Rosie O’Donnell mouth?

betsyz on March 18, 2011 at 9:38 PM

I wish sooner or later someone will put this into better context. For example, what are the true long-term effects and economic costs from this nuclear disaster, compared to other disasters, such as from the tsunami. Like, tsunami, just guessing — 25,000 deaths, $1 trillion in costs. Nuclear reactor breach and cleanup — 10 deaths, $10 billion in costs. I don’t know. I’m just tired of the hype and hysteria.

Paul-Cincy on March 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM

Video: Global Hawk over Fukushima

freedomplow on March 18, 2011 at 9:27 PM

freedomplow:Yup,thanks for the link,I’m pretty sure its
based in Guam!
================================================

http://www.andersen.af.mil/

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:44 PM

What?!?!?!?!?!? Those cores better be burning their way half the distance to Hell by now!!!11! I just spent $1500.00 on three liters of anti radiation water and a packet of anti radiation soap on EBay!!!!!11! It will be here tomorrow morning!!1!1! WTF!!!!!!! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 9:45 PM

If only one of those Japanese fembot developers could make one that could spray water.

pedestrian on March 18, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Whoa you watch toomuchporn.

CWforFreedom on March 18, 2011 at 9:51 PM

IAEA Update on Japan Earthquake

IAEA Briefing on Fukushima Nuclear Emergency (18 March 2011, 14:00 UTC)
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2. Radiation Monitoring

As mentioned yesterday, regular dose rate information is now being received from 47 Japanese cities.

Dose rates in Tokyo and other cities remain far from levels which would require action – in other words they are not dangerous to human health.

First measurements in Tokyo by the Agency’s newly arrived radiation monitoring team today showed no indication of Iodine-131 or Caesium-137. A second sampling will be carried out overnight.

http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:52 PM

I don’t know. I’m just tired of the hype and hysteria.

Paul-Cincy on March 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM

I don’t know sounds like you have got a pretty good handle on it. Don’t sell yourself short. You articulated it pretty well. This a sure enough disaster for Teppco. But loosing 10K to 50K people and the absolute devastation of the infrastructure of the northern portion of Japan sounds pretty bad to me. Couple that with the destruction of massive chemical and industrial plants that will surely pollute hundreds of acres of farmland (that nobody seems to be talking about). Just think about the rail infrastructure and destroyed hospitals?

If they are lucky enough to still have intact nuclear vessels and the SFP weren’t blown apart nuclear will be the least of there problems.

whbates on March 18, 2011 at 9:54 PM

What?!?!?!?!?!? Those cores better be burning their way half the distance to Hell by now!!!11! I just spent $1500.00 on three liters of anti radiation water and a packet of anti radiation soap on EBay!!!!!11! It will be here tomorrow morning!!1!1! WTF!!!!!!! FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 9:45 PM

BL@KBIRD:Lol,Dude…Chill..Take a pill….:)

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:54 PM

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:54 PM

That is funny

whbates on March 18, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Is it just a coincidence that Japanese reactors go kablewy just weeks before Hitlers Birthday? Is it just a coincidence that an alleged 8.9 earthquake and rumored follow up tsunami happened at nearly the same time(perfect cover)? Is it a coincidence that Germany has shut down destroyed reactors(if they weren’t destroyed, why would they be down?!!!11!?) Is it a coincidence that the earths population are generally located with one of these “accidents” on one or the other or both sides of them? Is it a coincidence that BOTH were targets of Atomic weapons? Why has the cost of life saving anti radiation water and soap gone to the levels only fools can afford? Is that a coincidence?

I don’t mind being a surrogate Muslim freedom fighter to help prevent Islam from any chance of being weakened, but this has gone too far!!!11!!1500.00 mother f*8kin bucks!!!111!and the F*&(*&^ ^&%*6$ are cooling????????????????WTF?WTF?WTF?

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Three, and this is the big caveat: The numbers come from … the Japanese government, whose credibility has been disintegrating since the quake struck. Only this morning, days after U.S. nuke officials claimed that the situation is worse than Japan had admitted, did they finally acknowledge that this is a Level 5 nuclear crisis, not a Level 4.

This is unfair Allah – the situation CHANGED on the ground. When they initially called the LVL 4 – they didn’t know about the fuel pond problems and they were fairly certain reactor containment on #2 was intact – that is in doubt now due to some “explosions / noises” that came from that reactor earlier this week.

In addition – when they called a LVL 4 – they had no radioactive iodine released into in the environment – but they started getting measurable quantities of that like yesterday.

You also have to realize – they can’t just walk up to the reactor and look at it – they are doing all this by the readings – when they have them – not all of the instruments are functional at this time.

And credibility? Why are you saying they are losing credibility? Because you’re buddies in the LSM (who want an end to nuke power) are trying to DESTROY their credibility?

You need to also remember – they are dealing with a crisis (earthquake / tsunami) that is bigger than Katrina. If you’re going to ping them for it – then you need to ping G.W. Bush for his response to the Katrina thing. I think Bush did the best he could and I LIVED THROUGH THE WORST of Katrina. I also think the Japanese are doing the best they can.

And – as far as the US not talking about radiation levels they’re measuring – isn’t that the polite thing to do? Would it be constructive to announce readings – even if they agreed with what the Japanese were putting out?

HondaV65 on March 18, 2011 at 10:10 PM

I’m just tired of the hype and hysteria.

Paul-Cincy on March 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM

You’re just reading or watching the wrong outlets. Reuters, Kyodo, and others have been covering the devastation and relief efforts well, including lots and lots of pictures. Unfortunately people seem to be fascinated with this issue.
I’ve read lots of stories both sad and hopeful about the people. Also the Japanese have not been publicizing much of what has happened or is happening. Also don’t forget that much of the country was spared.

Deanna on March 18, 2011 at 10:17 PM

BL@KBIRD:Lol,Dude…Chill..Take a pill….:)

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Like I posted earlier, I spent time earlier today (in spirit) with our Yemeni brothers (now that we are all Muslim freedom fighters)fighten’ for freedom against the evil dictator there. Well…. then I got into the khat and that was that. I find I feel quite edgy and on edge coming off it. Apologies everyone! RememberCurse our brothers Enemies in Bahrain!1

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 10:19 PM

HondaV65 on March 18, 2011 at 10:10 PM

It’s about time for Roy Lahood to start kicking the sh*t outta Toyota again too isn’t it?

Tim Zank on March 18, 2011 at 10:19 PM

BL@KBIRD:Lol,Dude…Chill..Take a pill….:)

canopfor on March 18, 2011 at 9:54 PM

You got Iodine pills? Extra salt, sodium laced soya sauce? I’ll buy anything!!!

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 10:25 PM

HondaV65 on March 18, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Considering all that happened, Japan is doing a great job. Why are some people just plain ignorant? This is far worse than Katrina, Rita, Ike, Ivan COMBINED. Yet they’ve been able to follow procedures and actions consistent with supreme competence.

Kermit on March 18, 2011 at 10:29 PM

That’s right ! That’s right They are not melting!!!!!!

Cancel that order canopfor, straighten that keffeya and lets march to Tripoli together! Down with that lowly tribal dog Qaddafi! and up with some other tribal top dog!!!

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 10:31 PM

It’s about time for Roy Lahood to start kicking the sh*t outta Toyota again too isn’t it?

Tim Zank on March 18, 2011 at 10:19 PM

You’re right.

And tomorrow we’ll probably learn that the cause of this whole disaster is that the gas peddles on those reactor were made by Toyota, and when the operators tried to slow them down, the damn things just sped up all by themselves.
I hate it when they do that…

bofh on March 18, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Where are OldNuke & Subsunk on this Allah? I believe they are our resident nuclear experts.

To the commenter wondering “how the White House is getting their own readings” its the U.S. military.

UAVs and high altitude manned flights courtesy of the USAF and USN are gathering that data.

Finally a word to everyone here:

Please please DONATE to legitimate relief efforts. Two of the best & most organized so far seem to be

The Salvation Army
https://donate.salvationarmyusa.org/
Text the words “Japan” or “Quake” to 80888 to make a $10 donation.

And the International Red Cross
http://www.ifrc.org/en/what-we-do/disaster-management/responding/ongoing-operations/japan-earthquake/about-the-donations-to-japan/
Text REDCROSS to 90999 to Give $10
Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami Fund

I lost my job just after Super Bowl Sunday and am living on a sandwich, a canned meal (soup), and a TV dinner (2 of the 3) each day. I have been furiously searching for a job since then.
I have no idea of how I am going to pay my rent next month. But I might have enough for food.

I donated $5 anyway earlier today.
I suggest everyone else do so too.

And say a prayer for the 10,000 men, women, and children killed by this disaster and the loved ones left behind.

SgtSVJones on March 18, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Down with that lowly tribal dog Qaddafi! and up with some other tribal top dog!!!

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 10:31 PM

How bout a freedom loving, sharia loving dictator guy. Probly what will end up in charge of Lybia, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. We’ll be a whole lot better off for it I’m sure. And so will Israel.

May I offer you a can of iodine laden tuna???

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 10:41 PM

And say a prayer for the 10,000 men, women, and children killed by this disaster and the loved ones left behind.

SgtSVJones on March 18, 2011 at 10:37 PM

God will bless you for blessing others. Please hang in there. Hubby lost his job yesterday (fired) and I am feeling very down about it. Think I’ll donate $5 to Sal Army too. We have enough cash for about a month, and plenty of food, with the garden in and growing.. We have been praying for the Japanese people and the brave brave workers at the nuke plant too.

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 10:45 PM

How bout a freedom loving, sharia loving dictator guy. Probly what will end up in charge of Lybia, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. We’ll be a whole lot better off for it I’m sure. And so will Israel.

They always say it’s easier to deal (wink wink) with one guy (with a bottle of single malt and the scents of a Saudi horse palace wafting all around you) than a discordant rabble.

May I offer you a can of iodine laden tuna???

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Is it mercury free? Did they use Dolphins in Tuna suits to catch them? Is it less than $1500.00 ? I’ll need your guarantee that it prevents radioactivity. (Can you conceal a little khat in the can?)

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 10:52 PM

I think this whole nuclear “crisis” is being way overblown…..a few years as the Japanese infrastructure starts returning to normal, you’ll never even know it happened, sans a few large man-made hills that the reactors are buried under.

KSgop on March 18, 2011 at 9:25 PM

It may be made in to a hill but under that hill is the entire nuclear program as there will never, repeat never a new nuclear plant built in the US ever again. R or D in WH does not matter, never built again. They might as well bury the technical plans on how to make one because they will never be needed again.

tjexcite on March 18, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Is it mercury free? Did they use Dolphins in Tuna suits to catch them? Is it less than $1500.00 ? I’ll need your guarantee that it prevents radioactivity. (Can you conceal a little khat in the can?)

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Of course not!! Mercury is good, my house is full of it, thanks to my new light bulbs… As for the dolpin suit, please keep your pecadillos to yourself, this is a family site you know.

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 10:57 PM

there will never, repeat never a new nuclear plant built in the US ever again. R or D in WH does not matter, never built again. They might as well bury the technical plans on how to make one because they will never be needed again.

tjexcite on March 18, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Never let a good crisis go to waste…

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Considering all that happened, Japan is doing a great job. Why are some people just plain ignorant? This is far worse than Katrina, Rita, Ike, Ivan COMBINED. Yet they’ve been able to follow procedures and actions consistent with supreme competence.

Kermit on March 18, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Exactly – it’s a bunch of “busy bodies” who seem to believe that BIG GUB’MENT should be able to handle any ACT OF GOD of Biblical proportions.

See – it’s times like this that Allah’s “anonymity” is a bit of a problem. I don’t know his background – but he just seems to have no appreciation or experience for dangerous situations that unfold under a “fog” of reduced visibility.

For instance – you’re a ship travelling in the fog – you can’t see anything – and your radar is broken. How do you see other ships before you collide into them?

You don’t – you sound fog signals – and the other ships do to – and you use your ears to judge distance and bearing but … that is very hard to do and it takes more than one fog signal for you to figure it out. So it takes some time.

Allah doesn’t seem to take any of this into account when he pronounces that the Japanese are losing credibility – which kind of tells me he’s never been in these kinds of situations.

HondaV65 on March 18, 2011 at 11:08 PM

there will never, repeat never a new nuclear plant built in the US ever again.

Only a fool says never.

Just like Obama saying that the U.S. WILL NOT send troops into Libya. Hell, he has no crystal ball and doesn’t know what could happen to make that announcement null and void.

And neither do you.

HondaV65 on March 18, 2011 at 11:11 PM

If the “apocalypse now” scenario …is coming to pass

I got here as quick as I could and I’m not going anywhere Allahpundit. OK so the first thing you need to do is take a deep breath and relax it is not as bad as you think. A lot of people think that, but God is rich in mercy. He doesn’t want you to end up in hell and He provided a way for you to be forgiven. Do you know what He did for you? He did something wonderful for sinners. He became a human being, suffered and died on the cross, and took the punishment for your lying, your stealing, your blasphemy, your adultery at heart. The sin of the world was laid upon Jesus so you could go free. Christ died for your sins, rose again on the third day, and what you’ve gotta do is repent Allahpundit and trust in Him. The minute you do that those crimes you committed against God years ago that God remembers as though it was yesterday will be forgiven. So think about last Friday’s massive magnitude 9.0 earthquake in Japan and how prophecy in the Bible is starting to read like a script. It’s all starting to fall into place. Think about your salvation. You gotta repent and trust the Savior, alright? Do you have a Bible at home? When’d you last read it? Well, dig it out, dust it down. Read the Gospel of John. Hey Allahpundit, thank you so much for listening to me. God bless you and have a good weekend.

apacalyps on March 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Of course not!! Mercury is good, my house is full of it, thanks to my new light bulbs… As for the dolpin suit, please keep your pecadillos to yourself, this is a family site you know.

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Where I live you can’t eat Moose liver more than five times a week because of all the Mercury in it. I wish they wouldn’t feed them the curly bulbs when they are burnt out but it is safer than the old days when young drunken fools like myself thought giving Moose an enema with a dead florescent light tube was a noble endeavor on a moon lit winter night in the woods. Some young ladies were impressed enough to make it worthwhile though………Whew……between the khat and the radiation….I’m just babbling. (sorry for bringing up my earlier sex life earlier?) *bet you would look good in a Dolphin suit….hey!…no…no…I’ll slap my own face and save you the effort. Thanks anyway. (And for all the fish)

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM

*bet you would look good in a Dolphin suit….hey!…no…no…I’ll slap my own face and save you the effort. Thanks anyway. (And for all the fish)

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Only if I could wear it with heels.

Takes a real man to eat moose liver more than once a decade.. And please leave those poor mooses alone, PETA may be watching.

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM

It may be made in to a hill but under that hill is the entire nuclear program as there will never, repeat never a new nuclear plant built in the US ever again. R or D in WH does not matter, never built again. They might as well bury the technical plans on how to make one because they will never be needed again.

tjexcite on March 18, 2011 at 10:57 PM

We’re not building any now?

However, if the EPA continues on their merry way and the Democrat continues to obstruct drilling there sure will be, it inescapable. You may not like it but it will happen, it will just be really expensive. And likely as not they will be Japanese built.

BTW, there may be a lull but the Japanese also don’t have any choice but to continue using Nuclear power. Thought you might like to know.

whbates on March 18, 2011 at 11:41 PM

We’re not building any now?

However, if the EPA continues on their merry way and the Democrat continues to obstruct drilling there sure will be, it inescapable. You may not like it but it will happen, it will just be really expensive. And likely as not they will be Japanese built.

BTW, there may be a lull but the Japanese also don’t have any choice but to continue using Nuclear power. Thought you might like to know.

whbates on March 18, 2011 at 11:41 PM

Southern Company is building a nuke plant somewhere in the south (TN I think) read an article about it awhile back in Forbes.

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 11:46 PM

Remember when Rommel was running the Africa Corporation into the ground with bad investments like selling 88′s to the Berbers, the Berbers thought he was talking about pianos (88 keys)so they ordered 40. Rommel says, “so, you want 10 batteries of 88′s. The conservative Berbers said that batteries were haram in Islam because they were full of Djinns and caused a terrifying sensation if you inserted more than one rectally. Of course things went from sugar to sh*t before you could olly auch bar to anyone and the deal fell through. Then the Imperialist British came through looking to press gang Muslims to take to Britain to make food that had a taste. Rommel had to go home having spent all the capital of the African Corporation he worked for.

Well, if your wondering why I’m telling you all this it is because that is the History of the nation we are about to bring demockracy to this time. Sure the Berbers never got their pianos but we can make that up and include a long over due apology from the West for the tardiness in meeting their needs. (Islam may well have invented the Piano, we may never know so don’t say anything that might angeembarrass them ). So my Mujaheddin by proxy brothers, first we take Tripoli, than we kill Qadaffi….and his sons….and the rest of the family……probably a good share of cousins………likely more than a few out of favor tribal elders…..probably some dead ender loyalists….Hey! If we put their faces on a deck of playing cards that will make it simpler! We’re almost home in the house of peace in sacred Islam.

Hey, you know whats cool? You can use a keffeya like a dish towel when you need one! Ahhhh, inventive Islam! Is it any wonder that most of the elite praise its awesomeness? What a thrill it is to be A Muslim freedom fighter even if just for a little while.

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 11:51 PM

Addendum

The Berbers had just evolved the Berbershop quartet cultural phenomena which is why they were interested in the pianos originally. History is fascinating isn’t it?

BL@KBIRD on March 18, 2011 at 11:58 PM

Southern Company is building a nuke plant somewhere in the south (TN I think) read an article about it awhile back in Forbes.

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 11:46 PM

Well they are certainly trying, but the NRC is doing everything to stop the process. So, no we are not actually building anything. As usual with this administration nothing is as it seems.

whbates on March 18, 2011 at 11:58 PM

Only if I could wear it with heels.

Takes a real man to eat moose liver more than once a decade.. And please leave those poor mooses alone, PETA may be watching.

kringeesmom on March 18, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Gulp, what are you wearing right now?Gosh Ma’am ….shucks.

Oh the government shut down the tube-a-moose festival years ago on account of the outbreak of teen pregnancy and the mercury in the moose livers.

BL@KBIRD on March 19, 2011 at 12:09 AM

Our own Nuclear Regulatory Commission has been front and center helping the hysteria. Here’s an interesting story on its fearless leader.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=182469

…”Mr. Jaczko has never held a private-industry position. Coming out of graduate school he went to work for Harry Reid. Now he’s the NRC Chair. And not only has been accused of obstructing the Yucca Mountain storage facility, he’s had a stay lifted on a pending legal review, implying that the Administration is in trouble from a legal perspective.”

patrick neid on March 19, 2011 at 12:19 AM

patrick neid on March 19, 2011 at 12:19 AM

This wants nothing to do with nukes, they just want to act like it. They’ve whipped up their friends in the media to inspire panic as well. Par for the course and please pass the unicorn farts. If they had it their way, I’d be typing by candlelight.

kringeesmom on March 19, 2011 at 12:30 AM

BL@KBIRD on March 19, 2011 at 12:09 AM

You lost me at the piano.. have another drink.

kringeesmom on March 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM

…”Mr. Jaczko has never held a private-industry position. Coming out of graduate school he went to work for Harry Reid. Now he’s the NRC Chair. And not only has been accused of obstructing the Yucca Mountain storage facility, he’s had a stay lifted on a pending legal review, implying that the Administration is in trouble from a legal perspective.”

patrick neid on March 19, 2011 at 12:19 AM

Jaczko is a jerk and a two bit political hack just like 90% of the Democrats in government. The money for Yucca Mountain is not tax dollars or public money. It was a levy placed on the profits of nuclear utilities to pay for a government managed depleted nuclear fuel storage. They can’t just stop building or replacing it in some way.

Currently the utilities are using above ground dry fuel storage at each site. Guess who paying for that? You are of course because the utilities are sueing for the cost of building this storage (not cheap BTW), because as usual the government (DOE) has pissed the money away on Yucca Mountain, and they will still have to come up with another solution.

whbates on March 19, 2011 at 1:00 AM

SHOCKER!!

Of course everything is back to normal. There was never any threat. This was nothing but a week long MSM attack on nuclear power. Too bad Allah fell for the junk science.

angryed on March 19, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Far from normal, but promising.
Radiation at Fuki. perimeter was roughly 1550sv/hr Monday,then 1200 Tuesday down to 650sv/hr Wednesday am, then No update for 2 days (red flag).
Update for 3/18 22:00 Japan time, cites a 3/18 reading at one gate of 287sv/hr at 12noon. This is promising, but we don’t know why they’re only reporting from one gate instead of the perimeter average. Are other readings very high and they don’t want them to be averaged in? or with the chaos, only one reading was readily available?

G. Charles on March 19, 2011 at 2:28 AM

Yes, there are readings inside 12 miles.

According to NEI radiation levels at the site boundary are 2 millirem / hour. That is incredibly low considering what has happened.

deadrody on March 19, 2011 at 2:32 AM

Probably not, though, since the radiation at that spot actually declined from Thursday to Friday. If the “apocalypse now” scenario of spent fuel rods melting in a dry cooling pool is coming to pass, as U.S. officials have speculated, why aren’t those numbers increasing instead? -Allah

Gee, I already mentioned that yesterday. The levels have come down since early WEDNESDAY, bud. OldNuke has been providing outstanding updates, but it is like no one reads them. Typical when you already have an agenda not to believe a company or a govt. In this case, that was a bad call.

Latest NEI Updates
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Fukushima – Home Page Promo – March 2011UPDATE AS OF 09:00 P.M. EDT, FRIDAY, MARCH 18:

A World Health Organization spokesman said that radiation levels outside the 20-kilometer (12-mile) evacuation zone around the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan are not harmful for human health. He said the WHO finds no public health reason to avoid travel to unaffected areas in Japan or to recommend that foreign nationals leave the country. He also said there is no risk that exported Japanese foods are contaminated with radiation.

The Japanese government issued an advisory on Tuesday for people to evacuate from a 12-mile zone around the plant, and also told people living within an 18-mile radius to stay indoors. Radiation levels at the plant boundary have been declining in the last day or so.

UPDATE AS OF 8:00 P.M. EDT, FRIDAY, MARCH 18:

Tokyo Electric Power Co. continued spraying water into the reactor 3 used fuel pool that began early Friday morning. Another water spraying operation into the pool was conducted around noon EDT. The company did not provide any updates on the status of the reactor 4 used fuel pool on Friday.

Operations to connect external power to reactors 1 and 2 are expected to continue through the weekend. TEPCO confirmed that electricity can be supplied to the reactors now that a new line has been connected from the off-site power system near the facility. Additional cabling and switchgear are being prepared to provide electricity to reactors 3, 4, 5 and 6.

TEPCO said it “planned to supply electricity for recovery efforts to reactor 2 first, followed by reactors 1, 3 and 4 because reactor 2 is expected to be less damaged.” TEPCO plans to check pumps and other equipment and restore those items most vital to the cooling function.

As you can see by the update, the crisis appears to be almost over. No the electrically supported cooling hasn’t begun, but it will soon. The “experts” worry that once power is restored, the main coolant pumps (or reactor coolant pumps, whatever the utilities call the big pumps) won’t start. There is a precedent for this. During Three Mile Island’s accident, their Reactor Coolant Pumps tripped off and seemed to stop working. This is because they were trying to pump steam thru the main coolant loops instead of water. The water levels in the core were that low. So since the reports from TEPCO say that the seawater level inside two of the three reactors is at least as high as 1.5 meters from the top of the fuel rods inside the core, there is probably water in the loops. I don’t know the exact geography of this plant, but it makes sense.

In any case, whether the pumps initially run or not, you keep trying to start them and keep repressurizing the plant until they do run. Reactor coolant pumps are pretty reliable pieces of machinery. Tough to really break them. And the pumps still worked after TMIs Hydrogen explosions as well, so I don’t think that is the biggest concern here. After all, these reactors have several pumps for redundancy.

TEPCOs report also says the reactor vessels are maintaining pressure, so no leaks in the reactors, AND the pressure inside the containment buildings is ALSO being maintained. So the initial questions of whether reactor 2s concrete containment building is breached appears to be NO!. So two levels of protection from the failed fuel elements getting out of the reactor. Even though it appears all three reactors suffered some fuel damage (and yes, most of you can call that a partial meltdown), the fission products which were released do not appear to have come from the reactors themselves.

TEPCO also says after shooting some water into spent fuel pool number 3, the radiation levels have come down dramatically. They levels on site in some locations are reading background radiation now. That is excellent news. It means the radioactive releases are probably over, and the contamination levels will likely be low enough to be remediated later. In order to determine the contamination levels, you need a more sensitive measuring instrument or process than just taking radiation readings. If you have radiation levels above background, then most of your readings are coming from the gaseous radiation.

No word on spent fuel pool 4 is the only troubling item. But it appears the major source of the radiation leakage was from spent fuel pool number 3 anyway. So now that it is on the way to remediation, the crisis will wind down, and the good folks at Fukushima Daiichi who spent the last week combating a serious accident can take a well deserved rest in a few days.

Do I know all this to be true? No. But the evidence suggest this is the case. And if it is the case, then the Japanese authorities were more correct than the US govt over what was actaully happening. The US NRC overreacted on this one, big time. Just because they wanted to appear more cautious and smarter than the Japs.

I still think no one covered themselves in glory on this accident. Mistakes were made. But you try doing this for a week in the dark, in a plastic suit, with a nonbreathable covering all over your body for a week, breathing through a full face mask, and trying to find your way with only a flashlight inside buildings with no power, and temperatures that had to be 90-120F inside, despite the cold outside. My hat’s off to them. Not so much to the US govt, TEPCO management, or the Japanese govt.

But I believe TEPCO turned out to be more correct than anyone else. So much for everyone’s “they all lied to cover their ass” scenario. And if the after action report indicates something else was the cause of the radiation leaks, then I was wrong, and we’ll all have a decent story to tell.

Subsunk

Subsunk on March 19, 2011 at 2:33 AM

Sub, they won’t be trying to put water on the core with their recirc pumps. They will be injecting using external pumps that pump into the loops inside containment. Even if the installed pumps (they likely have 6 at each unit) won’t start or won’t run for whatever reason, they can still inject using temporary pumps connected to pipes inside the building. The only issue is how much radiation there, thus making the job very slow and difficult. Which is to say nothing of the consequences of fire, explosion, and water sprays. In fact, I would bet they aren’t even considering the station pumps at this point.

deadrody on March 19, 2011 at 2:52 AM

So now, let’s discuss the stupid news opinions that feel these reactors might have to be buried like Chernobyl, and covered with a lead lined sarcophagus. Well, as the US govt, French govt, etc… are so fond of pointing out, this should have been labeled a level 5 accident when the fuel damage was confirmed. Probably Wednesday or Tuesday then. What is the difference in how we here in the US should react to a level 4 or level 5 accident in Japan? Not much difference at all actually. Did we not do something we should have done? Not really. We all panicked and acted like it was a level 7 anyway, so what’s the big deal that they miscalled the level of accident? A tempest in a teacup, in my opinion.

What would the Japs have done different? Not much, I think. They were already at Battle Stations and planning to send 200 operators down with the ship, weren’t they? Like they could have done more to combat the problems? They still can’t get enough food to their people further north, and CNN (Sanjay Gupta and the pretty talking heads are belaboring this talking point all day — where is the food and the assistance? Where are the Americans???) is pondering why old people without their medication, or sufficient food, or shelter are dying. Duh! There was an earthquake and a 30 foot high wall of water rolled over the shoreline for hundreds of miles and crushed, drowned, or destroyed most everything in its path. The earthquake ruined the roads. And the news hyped that everyone was going to die of radiation, so no one in Japan wanted to risk their lives to truck in food and water to the needy.

Congratulations! The Law of Unintended Consequences exists! Idiot journalists!

Since this accident is about the same as Three Mile Island, and we didn’t bury TMI (we took it apart and analyzed the core and then buried it in lead casks), my guess is over the next few years, the utility will dismantle the reactors (remember they were going to be decommissioned soon anyway), may even analyze them, and then put out lessons learned from the accident.

Bottom line, I’ll bet good money that the site will be cleaned up in a year or so, the reactor cores will be dismantled, painstakingly carefully, and shipped off for burial and disposal. No one off site will die from this accident, just like no one died from TMI, and almost no one off site died at Chernobyl either. (9 kids developed cancer and died there after the accident, the 31 first responders all died within 30 days, and approximately 100 other workers who buried the reactor developed illnesses or cancer and died prematurely…… out of 600,000 who went thru the site to bury the reactor… Not very lethal for most, even at the most dangerous reactor accident in history.)

IF, and its a big IF, any of the operators got enough exposure before this is over to fall ill, they will probably be taken care of by the world’s best radiological experts, and probably won’t die immediately. I doubt they will even die of cancer prematurely. The human body is pretty amazingly resilient. Life finds a way!

That’s my prediction. Can we stop the crying now, and go back to actually helping the poor Japanese people who will likely lose over 50,000 people to the tsunami and its aftermath? Like we should have been doing all along.

Subsunk

Subsunk on March 19, 2011 at 2:56 AM

deadrody on March 19, 2011 at 2:52 AM

If the installed pumps work, why wouldn’t you use them. Yes, they have been injecting water using their fire pumps, but that requires feeding and bleeding. Why do that once you can run a pump and transfer the heat using a steam generator, or some other heat exchanger? Then you don’t have to discharge reactor coolant with fission products in it into the reactor containment building. Keep it inside the reactor vessel as much as possible. Discharge as little as possible. More radioactive waste if you do it that way, plus the system is already set up to run using the RCPs.

Subsunk

Subsunk on March 19, 2011 at 3:00 AM

…More radioactive waste if you do it that the other way, plus the system is already set up to run using the RCPs.

Sorry. Too late in the day to proofread well.

Subsunk

Subsunk on March 19, 2011 at 3:16 AM

Another organization worthy of looking at for donations:

Direct Relief International

They keep warehouses of donated medical supplies and arrange with common carriers or even charter flights to get medical supplies to those in need. It doesn’t matter where on the planet the disaster is, they are usually amongst the very first with outside help. Extremely low overhead organization so the money goes to benefit those in dire need, not keep up a pay-for staff… as the staff is volunteer. Volunteers working to get donated supplies to those in need anywhere – that is how America works.

ajacksonian on March 19, 2011 at 8:03 AM

Clean, safe, abundant nuclear power.

I still believe it.

These accidents are a worst-case scenario nation-wide natural disaster. What we’re seeing is the loss of a handful of reactors as future power generators, and tiny releases of radiation in most cases barely able to be distinguished from the peaks in normally fluctuating background radiation.

I hope that Japan steps up with announcements of intent to rebuild all the reactors, and to spend lots of money on the most modern, safe designs available. This could mean a resurgence of the U.S. industry, which has been leading in the development of such innovative “self-cooling” designs.

Anil Petra on March 19, 2011 at 11:12 AM

Clean, safe, abundant nuclear power.

I still believe it.

Well, it can be if modern plants are built and the 40 year old ones like this are retired. Look, this plant had a few inherent design flaws, not limited to the fact that spent fuel, which is highly radio active, are stored in pools directly above the containment vessel. Who thought this was a good idea?

See the diagram here.

JeffVader on March 19, 2011 at 2:50 PM

JeffVader on March 19, 2011 at 2:50 PM

That diagram is a little deceptive Jeff here’s one that gives a better perspective. The SF pool is off to the side not directly over the vessel.

Oldnuke on March 19, 2011 at 4:19 PM

I’m still maxing out the credit cards in case we’re all gonna die. It would be a waste not owing people money when the world ends.

Kevin M on March 19, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Hundreds if not thousands die in Japan due to earthquake and tsunami and what does the MSM and Fox included talk about NO ONE dying as the result of radiation. Does anyone on the news get up and say that nuclear energy is the safest source of electricty in the western word? Of course not. Why? The answer is simple. News agencies what to scare the crap out of it’s viewers so that people will react to a non problem.

TomLawler on March 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM