Bombs away: UN airstrikes could begin tonight as Qaddafi’s troops near Benghazi; Update: UN approves no-fly zone

posted at 4:15 pm on March 17, 2011 by Allahpundit

His air force is already bombing the outskirts of the city, but not for much longer. The Security Council’s expected to vote at 6 p.m. ET and the French are telling people that airstrikes against Libyan air defenses — and maybe more — could begin immediately thereafter. At the same time, Qaddafi just delivered another insane stemwinder against the rebels on Libyan radio warning people in Benghazi that the army will be rolling into town tonight and that, if they don’t surrender, they’ll receive “no mercy.” Which means, unless someone blinks in the next few hours, that city will be a bona fide international war zone by the time America goes to bed tonight.

This is turning out to be some week.

Ibrahim Dabbashi, the deputy Libyan UN ambassador, warned that, “in the coming hours we will see a real genocide if the international community does not act quickly.”

Dabbashi, who defected early on from the Gaddafi regime, said “about five” Arab states were ready to help police the no-fly zone if it was adopted

Al Jazeera’s Bays in Tobruk said that people in the city said they were confident of winning against Gaddafi, but still needed international help.

“I can tell you that when you speak to the people here, they say they’re winning, they say they’re beating back Gaddafi. Then you ask them the question should the international community do more, and they say ‘Yes, we’re all going to die if they don’t help’. So very contradictory answers to those questions,” Bays reported on Thursday.

The regime’s threatening to retaliate by attacking air and sea traffic in the Mediterranean, which is unlikely in the near term with NATO overhead but more likely if Qaddafi brokers a deal to stay in power and inevitably returns to his old terrorist-y ways. (He’s worried enough about imminent airstrikes to have opted for radio over video today.) Meanwhile, I’m intrigued by those five Arab states who are allegedly ready to help “police” the NFZ. What does that mean, exactly? McClatchy reported earlier that only two were on board so momentum is building across the region to help make this happen, but in practical terms it means — what? Certainly use of local air bases; possibly also … Arab air forces joining NATO patrols?

As for which five states are involved, Tunisia and Egypt are obvious candidates since they’re adjacent, have revolutionary fever themselves, and want to maintain good relations with the west in the near term to keep the foreign aid flowing while they reorganize. The obvious risk is that if Qaddafi somehow remains in charge, then they have to live with him and wonder if he’s plotting revenge. That’s not a big concern for Egypt, which could crush him if need be, but little Tunisia may think twice. Assuming they’re both in, though, then who are the other three states? Given the current circumstances in the region, would the Saudis dare lend logistical support to dislodging an Arab dictator — even one they despise? Stay tuned.

Exit question: How’d the NATO powers get China and Russia to go along with a no-fly zone on the Security Council? Exit answer: In a way, they didn’t.

Update: According to one report, four of the five Arab countries involved are the UAE, Qatar, Jordan, and … Saudi Arabia. No word on the fifth. I guess Tunisia and Egypt don’t want to make the mad dog mad.

Update: The vote’s over at the Security Council. 10-0, with Russia and China abstaining. Qaddafi’s response, via Al Jazeera’s live blog:

10:41pm Gaddafi did an interview with RTP, a Portuguese television station, this evening. In it, he said:

“The Security Council has not got the right to interfere in the internal affairs of any state. It would be a flagrant colonisation, without any justification. A serious and grave [inaudible]. This is craziness, madness, arrogance. If the world gets crazy with us, we will get crazy too…”

Asked what he means by ‘get crazy’, Gaddafi said:

“We will respond. We will make their lives hell, because they are making our lives hell. They will never have peace.”

It sounds like British and French war planes will be the first ones in.


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Questions:

Does anyone know what our mission is?
Are we going to help the rebels beyond keeping Daffy’s air assets off of them?
What good will that do if Daffy overruns them with ground forces?
Do we think that they can gain the upper hand and depose Daffy or do we just hope to maintain a divided Libya?
When and under what circumstances do we declare, “mission accomplished” and leave?

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Early reports are that that the US could being strikes almost immediately with cruise missiles probably off destroyers and subs.

McBaine on March 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM

European forces to take lead right off the bat, U.S. to provide logistical support. Hope they save some tanks for the Warthogs.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM

MORE:

Italy offers air bases for strikes.

Times of London headline for tomorrow:

US set to lead allied attack on Gaddafi

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:01 PM

And besides, Germany has a history of being a bit too cuddly with Libya. Friendlier with the Islamic socialist dictator than most other western nations.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 6:56 PM

I wouldn’t be dumping too much on the Germans. The Brits pandered to the Libyan terrorists and hasn’t France been trying to develop oil deals?

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:01 PM

FOX: Euros will be leading …

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Of course they will. We are no longer the leader of the free World. Do I want to get our troops involved? No, but this is somewhat of a kick in the pants to our Military. I guess if your on the road to Rio….

sandee on March 17, 2011 at 7:02 PM

I really really, want to see some Warthog tank action, when the time comes. – a cap

Hell yeah, bro, there’s nothing else like it.

Having been in a “Weasel” unit, I’m hoping to hear about K’daffy’s radar sites being taken out.

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Nothing happening will be far better than this potential UN disaster…

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Shep is yapping nonstop about Japan. Can’t take it anymore. *Reaches for remote.*

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Another thing. Isn’t this just a tad late?

sandee on March 17, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Obowma is going to postpone his vacation…

…. right? RIGHT?

/

Seven Percent Solution on March 17, 2011 at 7:04 PM

I wouldn’t be dumping too much on the Germans. The Brits pandered to the Libyan terrorists and hasn’t France been trying to develop oil deals?

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:01 PM

The last British government did. Brown’s government. Different government now. Cameron’s guy just blasted the heck out of Gaddafi.

As for the French, they can be somewhat forgiven. They’re at least redeeming themselves somewhat for leading the charge on this, voting for the resolution, and even offering to initiate the air strikes.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:05 PM

@7%

hehehehe

You almost got me

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:05 PM

First it starts with no fly zones, then people realize zoomies can’t stop the truely determined, and send in the Army, and that means I get to go to the Med instead of the ‘Stans this summer – so I say go for it!

LincolntheHun on March 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Seven Percent Solution on March 17, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Would you want to break the news to Lady McBama?

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM

The last British government did. Brown’s government. Different government now. Cameron’s guy just blasted the heck out of Gaddafi.

As for the French, they can be somewhat forgiven. They’re at least redeeming themselves somewhat for leading the charge on this, voting for the resolution, and even offering to initiate the air strikes.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:05 PM

We’ll see, we’ll see.

Where’s the French and British resolve to defeat Islamists in Iraq and Afghanistan?

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Would you want to break the news to Lady McBama?

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM

She would go anyway…

sandee on March 17, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Having been in a “Weasel” unit, I’m hoping to hear about K’daffy’s radar sites being taken out.

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 7:02 PM

And some cutting and running when things start blowing up. So long as Kadaffy’s rabble is still outside Benghazi, this is not too late.

forest on March 17, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Another thing. Isn’t this just a tad late?

sandee on March 17, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Why, yes, yes it is. That 3:00AM phone call, y’know.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 7:08 PM

We’ll see, we’ll see.

Where’s the French and British resolve to defeat Islamists in Iraq and Afghanistan?

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:07 PM

At least on the British side, they’ve been in Afghanistan for ten years. They still have soldiers dying there. Maybe not to the extent we do, but I’m not going to question their loyalty.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:08 PM

And some cutting and running when things start blowing up. So long as Kadaffy’s rabble is still outside Benghazi, this is not too late.

forest on March 17, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Unless he does something truly desperate like Chemical warfare…

sandee on March 17, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Early reports are that that the US could being strikes almost immediately with cruise missiles probably off destroyers and subs.
McBaine on March 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM

The White house reads Hot Air!

I researched and wrote this 3 days ago. Sounds like someone read my comment!

Wow: 56% want no-fly zone over Libya

Level the battle field, give the rebels a fighting chance.
Most if not all this can be done with Tomahawk cruise missiles and drones.

To some extent we have done this before, today I think its highly possible without any boots on the ground or in the sky.

Take out his SAM sites, this can be done with drones developed for the “Wild Weasel” roll.
Harpy, Cutlass and Harpy2 (Harpo?) drones.

Turkey and Israel have armed version of the Harpy.

Cutlass (combat uninhabited target locate and strike system) is a hybrid of UAV and cruise missile. It can loiter in the target area like a UAV, drawing radar attention, but it has a warhead and can attack.
These drones were intended for the SEAD operations.

Tomahawk cruise missiles can take out airfields, crater runways and seed the area with mines (cluster bombs!).

This would eliminate his fixed wing birds ability to fly.

Tomahawk cruise missiles can take out Qaddafi’s power plants, communication towers making him Deaf ,Dumb and Blind.

This would take the wind out of Qaddafi’s forces,

especially cuz this could be done in under 1 hour.

If the NFZ is needed after that it can be done with Reaper Drones that fly at 50K feet, all he would have left would be his helicopters, Hine MI 24, (had 37, 6 are know to have been destroyed) Mi-14 (had 12, one has been captured)

I’m sure the Reaper can be armed with Stingers and Sidewinders to handle his helicopters. Not ta mention the 8 hellfire missiles and 500LB bombs if we want to take out his armor.

This is doable, all from off shore, no boots on the ground.
Just give the rebels a fighting chance.

DSchoen on March 14, 2011 at 9:58 PM

DSchoen on March 17, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Report: French TV already changing graphics. Now referring to it as military action in Libya.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:10 PM

And some cutting and running when things start blowing up. So long as Kadaffy’s rabble is still outside Benghazi, this is not too late.

forest on March 17, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Daffys crew could fold fast if they hit them. I dont think he got a serious force.

the_nile on March 17, 2011 at 7:10 PM

At least on the British side, they’ve been in Afghanistan for ten years. They still have soldiers dying there. Maybe not to the extent we do, but I’m not going to question their loyalty.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Amen.

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Who are these “rebels” that are about to get air suppot?
No Al Qaeda I’m sure///

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM

And Gaddaffyduck? Do you know him?

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 7:13 PM

At least on the British side, they’ve been in Afghanistan for ten years. They still have soldiers dying there. Maybe not to the extent we do, but I’m not going to question their loyalty.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Hasn’t Cameron (not Brown) been talking about withdrawal?

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Who are these “rebels” that are about to get air suppot?
No Al Qaeda I’m sure///

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Something tells me Al Qaeda operatives would have been more successful in fighting Gaddafi’s men. As it is, I’ve spent days watching rebels learn how to shoot guns effectively.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM

… people realize zoomies can’t stop the truely determined … – The Hun

The Zoomies (and our Navy brothers) can wipe out command and control, AAA sites, tanks, APCs, etc and then let the Rebels take on the ‘truely determined’. All the rest will turn tail and run back to Tripoli.

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Who are these “rebels” that are about to get air suppot?
No Al Qaeda I’m sure///

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Do we get to kill the known terrorist Colonel Daffy?

Then that is a better move than much of what has been done in the past.

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Nah. They’re all honor students and boy scouts just hoping to set up a nice, little Madisonian republic.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 7:13 PM

compared to the “rebel forces” I know him like a brother…

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Hasn’t Cameron (not Brown) been talking about withdrawal?

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM

According to The Telegraph, Cameron’s withdrawal deadline is 2015. Four years from now.

Which means they’ll have fought along our side for 14 years. 10,000 Brits remain on the ground. About 400 have been killed.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:16 PM

From Drudge…

Hillary’s War

… Someone left the irony on again.

Seven Percent Solution on March 17, 2011 at 7:16 PM

It is really surreal to watch the US be more passive then the UN.
Thanks Obama voters.

carbon_footprint on March 17, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Oh, and @amerpundit, if you don’t like Germany voting present, perhaps the US could punish them by finally leaving Germany…

Hey, maybe we could set up shop in Libya…

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Nah. They’re all honor students and boy scouts just hoping to set up a nice, little Madisonian republic.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Nobody is claiming that.

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Oh yeah, and there is nothing like the element of surprise. I’m sure Quaddafi will be caught off guard by this hush-hush operation.

carbon_footprint on March 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM

I’ll try to remember to use a sarc tag next time :-)

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Won’t there at least have to be some special forces from NATO on the ground in Libya to pick the targets?

Mark1971 on March 17, 2011 at 7:18 PM

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:16 PM

I’m not looking to punish. I’d just like to give them a friendly slap on the face.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM

According to The Telegraph, Cameron’s withdrawal deadline is 2015. Four years from now.

Which means they’ll have fought along our side for 14 years. 10,000 Brits remain on the ground. About 400 have been killed.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:16 PM

This was from last year (maybe things changed)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10708063

And I’m not convinced his strategy is a “winning” one. Seems to be open to talks with the Taliban.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Of all the US foreign policy blunders over the past two years this one will be the most acute…

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Oh yeah, and there is nothing like the element of surprise. I’m sure Quaddafi will be caught off guard by this hush-hush operation.

carbon_footprint on March 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Right….I’m sure this will scare momar .The guy is nuts and is probably going to do something crazy..

sandee on March 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Won’t there at least have to be some special forces from NATO on the ground in Libya to pick the targets?

Mark1971 on March 17, 2011 at 7:18 PM

There’s probably a lot of them there. They need to be embedded with the rebels to know who to hit.

the_nile on March 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Oh yeah, and there is nothing like the element of surprise. I’m sure Quaddafi will be caught off guard by this hush-hush operation.

carbon_footprint on March 17, 2011 at 7:17 PM

It’s not that bad. It’s operations you don’t warn about. They can know you’re going to do something but not be able to plan for it because they don’t know when the operation will actually come, or where.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Daffys crew could fold fast if they hit them. I dont think he got a serious force. – Niles

They are LESS of a force than what Saddam had. They will break and run.

I remember before the First Gulf War started, these “military experts” on CNN were saying it would take two years and 200,000 US troops would die. I said to the TV “No, it’ll take two MONTHS at a loss of 200 troops.” The media doesn’t know anything about our military and what we can do.

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 7:21 PM

I’m not looking to punish. I’d just like to give them a friendly slap on the face.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Oh, and @amerpundit, if you don’t like Germany voting present, perhaps the US could punish slap them in the face by finally leaving Germany…

Hey, maybe we could set up shop in Libya…

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:16 PM

That works for me too

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Of all the US foreign policy blunders over the past two years this one will be the most acute…

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Which? Doing nothing or doing something as a backseater?

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 7:21 PM

The Zoomies (and our Navy brothers) can wipe out command and control, AAA sites, tanks, APCs, etc and then let the Rebels take on the ‘truely determined’. All the rest will turn tail and run back to Tripoli.

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 7:14 PM

.
I don’t dispute that air power can really destroy stuff, but I doubt very much Gadaffi is going to fold easily. He can’t run to France or Saudi Arabia for sanctuary, so it’s win or die for him.
We have taken a side in this mess and will be further sucked into it.
More excitement for me.

LincolntheHun on March 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM

The Boy’s in[not from] Brazil…

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Cant wait to see the left and their marches with Blood for Oil signs, maybe some Obamahitler signs.

WoosterOh on March 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM

That works for me too

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:21 PM

In other words, I’m not looking for revenge in any form. I’d just like to know what drug they’re on.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM

As much as I dislike this one, that’s saying an awful lot. I mean when you consider the competition:

1. Supporting Zelaya in Honduras.
2. Supporting the Mullahs in Iran.
3. Screwing Israel repeatedly.
4. The Russian “reset” complete with selling out the Eastern Europeans on missile defense.
5. Supporting Mubarak before and then throwing him under the bus.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 7:21 PM

they are both the same thing…

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM

In other words, I’m not looking for revenge in any form. I’d just like to know what drug they’re on.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM

I thought you wanted them to be slapped in the face…

Anyway, I highly doubt this will hurt Merkel in Germany.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:25 PM

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM

air support for Al Qaeda (a possibilty in this mess) would be the worst…

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:26 PM

LincolntheHun on March 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM

You take care out there man. Nothing in that place worth getting hurt for.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:26 PM

I’m not into slamming the Brits and Frogs. They’ll pull their weight and have been out in front on this. Don’t know if the rebels will be better or worse than Daffy, but that’s water under the bridge now. Let’s get it cleaned up, kill him if we can, and catch that Lockerbie bomber as icing on the cake. Time for debate is past.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 7:27 PM

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 7:27 PM

+++

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 7:28 PM

I thought you wanted them to be slapped in the face…

Anyway, I highly doubt this will hurt Merkel in Germany.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:25 PM

A friendly slap in the face. Like you’d slap a friend who is acting absurd. A “snap out of it” slap. Not a “let’s see if I can inflict trauma on your face” slap.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:28 PM

I’m not into slamming the Brits and Frogs. They’ll pull their weight and have been out in front on this. Don’t know if the rebels will be better or worse than Daffy, but that’s water under the bridge now. Let’s get it cleaned up, kill him if we can, and catch that Lockerbie bomber as icing on the cake. Time for debate is past.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Water under the bridge? Hmmm… I liked what my friend said:

Turn it into a parking lot for the next oil company.

Anyway, I’ll go the more passive route. Perhaps we should be dropping Bibles and not bombs in Libya… hey, the first is more explosive for the violent Islamists.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 7:29 PM

sleep well tonight knowing that an international body that wants to regualte/tax carbon emissions is organizing a military air strike…

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:30 PM

You take care out there man. Nothing in that place worth getting hurt for.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:26 PM

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Thanks, never a problem been over three times, and this summer will make four, but maybe this tour will involve a beach if we get sucked into this like I think we will.

LincolntheHun on March 17, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Hillary 2012…

mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:32 PM

We have taken a side in this mess and will be further sucked into it. – The Hun

I bet he’ll be killed by a cruise missile or one of his own will take him out before we need to send in the Infantry.

“A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” – Winston Churchill

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Qaddafi will hook up with the wild ones now.

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2011 at 7:34 PM

Of all the US foreign policy blunders over the past two years this one will be the most acute… mjbrooks3 on March 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Your comments are clueless. What is the U.S. blunder? The UN, led by France and Britain, has voted to actually act to prevent the massacre of thousands more Libyans. The U.S (under the dithering Obama) is going along for the ride. No American soldier need set foot in Libya. Should the U.S. have vetoed the UN resolution and let the slaughter continue unabated? Are you a brain dead Paulian?

Basilsbest on March 17, 2011 at 7:38 PM

Libyan press conference: We’re grateful for the five countries that abstained. Praising Germany and Brazil. Disgusting.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Sounds like Egypt is now going to be helping supply the rebels. Guy from the WSJ said that is a biggie. Daffy won’t be able to handle that very long.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 7:32 PM

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I’d take your bet if it was just death by cruise missile, dictators are far more likely to die from one of thier own. And I like all of my hats at the moment.
As for the quote, I’d much rather go to a hell hole that has a beach than one that doesn’t. Alas, I’m still not Shogun. Maybe next promotion board.

LincolntheHun on March 17, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Sounds like Egypt is now going to be helping supply the rebels. Guy from the WSJ said that is a biggie. Daffy won’t be able to handle that very long. – a Cap

Yup, and when the Rebs were winning, more people were joining them, then when K’daffy started winning, people deserted the rebellion. Watch how fast the reb ranks begin to swell now, muslims are the ultimate “fair weather fans”.

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 7:50 PM

I’d take your bet if it was just death by cruise missile, dictators are far more likely to die from one of thier own. And I like all of my hats at the moment.
As for the quote, I’d much rather go to a hell hole that has a beach than one that doesn’t. Alas, I’m still not Shogun. Maybe next promotion board.

LincolntheHun on March 17, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Yes , if the no-fly coalition shows they mean to take out Daffy , a group of insiders will do it.

the_nile on March 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM

We are all Libyan freedom loving demockracy humping Muslim rebels now!!!!11!!!

BL@KBIRD on March 17, 2011 at 7:54 PM

How about some Sino-Ruski planes involved.

Kjeil on March 17, 2011 at 7:56 PM

the_nile on March 17, 2011 at 7:52 PM

I just heard that an oil embargo will be imposed on Libya along with freezing their assets. This is much more likely to bring about a dead Daffy than the military action. If MoMo can’t pay his mercs then he probably will meet his virgins courtesy of one of his own. Let’s hope so, to bring about a swift end to this business.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Yes , if the no-fly coalition shows they mean to take out Daffy , a group of insiders will do it. – Niles

Yeah man, it’s all about self-preservation. While Obuma dithers and fiddles, people flock to K’Daffy, the strong horse, when the French fly in, the people will turn against K’daffy, now the weak horse, and join the rebellion.

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Palin asked for a no-fly zone on February 22. Just saying.

Jasper61 on March 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM

And Daffy is not about to try anything like that again.

-MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 5:44 PM

And the proof for that statement is?

Tomblvd on March 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Palin asked for a no-fly zone on February 22. Just saying.

Jasper61 on March 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Wrong then. Wrong now.

And the proof for that statement is?

Tomblvd on March 17, 2011 at 8:04 PM

35 years of not trying it.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM

We are all Libyan freedom loving demockracy humping Muslim rebels now!!!!11!!!

BL@KBIRD on March 17, 2011 at 7:54 PM

Count me out

WoosterOh on March 17, 2011 at 8:07 PM

The Air Force predicts enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya will cost between $15 million and $300 million per week depending on how conservative our action is. Consensus is it would probably be around $100 million per week.

http://goo.gl/LYfRO

While I haven’t made up my mind if a no-fly zone is a good thing, I’m absolutely appalled that the U.S. basically took no leadership on the matter one way or the other. Nothing inspires enemies as much as the notion that the U.S. is weak, indecisive and unable to act militarily. I’d have thought just the threat of retaliation a few weeks ago may have been enough for Qaddafi to reconsider his actions.

I’m not so sure why the French are gung-ho, but the British have just gotten BP a sweat deal, so I’m sure it’s to protect oil interests. I wonder if anyone has put any thought into what happens if Qaddafi is toppled. The country is tribal and the situation will be very different than NATO action in the Balkans.

ReaganWasRight on March 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM

This is exciting stuff. K’daffy is half the reason I joined the military in ’88 (the Ayatollah being the other half) and it’[s way past time for him to go, preferrably by an American (or British) pilot of Scottish decent (Lockerbie) or even better, a Tomahawk strike!

“THIS IS BGM-109, ROCKIN’ TRIPOLI, HIT AFTER HIT!”

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 8:09 PM

35 years of not trying it.

So for you, the recent past is absolute proof of the future?

Not big on logic, but that’s ok.

Tomblvd on March 17, 2011 at 8:09 PM

Guys I’m trying to watch a basketball game here, can’t this wait until Monday?

/obama

WisCon on March 17, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Tomblvd on March 17, 2011 at 8:09 PM

Yes, well how about proving that the Russians won’t invade us tomorrow. Absolute proof? There is no such thing when talking about human behavior. However, past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior and 35 years of past behavior is enough to convince me. But if you want to go to war with everyone who just might be a danger then you’ll not have time for anything more than picking fights.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 8:13 PM

You know this is going to boost øbama’s polls. Doesn’t matter that he twiddled his thumbs, or what – he’ll get to pretend he’s riding in on a white horse, and the lumpen proletariat will cheer.

jodetoad on March 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM

Guys I’m trying to watch a basketball game here, can’t this wait until Monday?

/obama

WisCon on March 17, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Waffles Incident 2.0

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 17, 2011 at 8:15 PM

You know this is going to boost øbama’s polls. Doesn’t matter that he twiddled his thumbs, or what – he’ll get to pretend he’s riding in on a white horse, and the lumpen proletariat will cheer.

jodetoad on March 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM

Boost or no that hobby horse you speak of will be way too little way too late.

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 8:21 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new leader of the Free World, and he is French.

Rambotito on March 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Questions:
Does anyone know what our mission is?
Are we going to help the rebels beyond keeping Daffy’s air assets off of them?

Not sure, but the rebels have very explicitly said “no ground forces, please” so given how domestically unpopular that would be anyway, I don’t think this is in the cards.

What good will that do if Daffy overruns them with ground forces?
Do we think that they can gain the upper hand and depose Daffy or do we just hope to maintain a divided Libya?

Not a military expert, but maybe we intend some air strikes against his ground forces. As to whether whatever we do is enough to topple him versus keeping Libya divided, Libya hasn’t been much of a country in any real sense anyway, so I think dividing it isn’t a problem. Getting rid of Daffy is a plus, and having some influence with what’re emerges in the east is a plus too. Finally, a bunch of people are about to be slaughtered by an evil little sh!t with whom we have a score to settle, so we can send the messages “don’t kill innocent people” and “If you cross us, we will never forget” simultaneously.

When and under what circumstances do we declare, “mission accomplished” and leave?
MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 7:00 PM

We don’t go in in the first place. Air power only. Let the rebels clean up the mess. It’s their home, so they’ll have an easier time mopping up any insurgency than we ever could.

RINO in Name Only on March 17, 2011 at 8:31 PM

However, past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior and 35 years of past behavior is enough to convince me.

Of course you have to ignore any behavior beyond 35 years. Somehow that is the “magic cutoff date”. And you also need to ignore his increasingly erratic behavior.

Assuming that this had ended before we had intervened and he had won, are you absolutely happy with Gadaffi’s rationality?

Tomblvd on March 17, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Why would we help the Al Qaeda backed rebels?
.
Ghaddafi’s no prize but why should we support our enemies?

FactsofLife on March 17, 2011 at 8:35 PM

Well,Team Progressive are always waiting for a UN
Resolution,and now they have one,so,will Obama act!

canopfor on March 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM

What should Obama do but stay out of this nasty business.

FactsofLife on March 17, 2011 at 8:38 PM

We don’t go in in the first place. Air power only. Let the rebels clean up the mess. It’s their home, so they’ll have an easier time mopping up any insurgency than we ever could.

RINO in Name Only on March 17, 2011 at 8:31 PM

You need special forces on the ground to coordinate with the rebels. Otherwise you dont know who you’re shooting at.

the_nile on March 17, 2011 at 8:38 PM

We should expect nothing more from President “Present”. But I’m surprised at the comments here that aren’t happier to see Europe growing up.

All our hollywood ex-patriates must be dumbfounded to see their list of candidates for a new home country shrinking.

connertown on March 17, 2011 at 8:39 PM

you do have to wonder what the American people will think when they wake up after the wall to wall Charlie Sheen coverage and then the Japan coverage and the nuke coverage to find out we are at war with Libya

r keller on March 17, 2011 at 8:42 PM

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