Bombs away: UN airstrikes could begin tonight as Qaddafi’s troops near Benghazi; Update: UN approves no-fly zone

posted at 4:15 pm on March 17, 2011 by Allahpundit

His air force is already bombing the outskirts of the city, but not for much longer. The Security Council’s expected to vote at 6 p.m. ET and the French are telling people that airstrikes against Libyan air defenses — and maybe more — could begin immediately thereafter. At the same time, Qaddafi just delivered another insane stemwinder against the rebels on Libyan radio warning people in Benghazi that the army will be rolling into town tonight and that, if they don’t surrender, they’ll receive “no mercy.” Which means, unless someone blinks in the next few hours, that city will be a bona fide international war zone by the time America goes to bed tonight.

This is turning out to be some week.

Ibrahim Dabbashi, the deputy Libyan UN ambassador, warned that, “in the coming hours we will see a real genocide if the international community does not act quickly.”

Dabbashi, who defected early on from the Gaddafi regime, said “about five” Arab states were ready to help police the no-fly zone if it was adopted

Al Jazeera’s Bays in Tobruk said that people in the city said they were confident of winning against Gaddafi, but still needed international help.

“I can tell you that when you speak to the people here, they say they’re winning, they say they’re beating back Gaddafi. Then you ask them the question should the international community do more, and they say ‘Yes, we’re all going to die if they don’t help’. So very contradictory answers to those questions,” Bays reported on Thursday.

The regime’s threatening to retaliate by attacking air and sea traffic in the Mediterranean, which is unlikely in the near term with NATO overhead but more likely if Qaddafi brokers a deal to stay in power and inevitably returns to his old terrorist-y ways. (He’s worried enough about imminent airstrikes to have opted for radio over video today.) Meanwhile, I’m intrigued by those five Arab states who are allegedly ready to help “police” the NFZ. What does that mean, exactly? McClatchy reported earlier that only two were on board so momentum is building across the region to help make this happen, but in practical terms it means — what? Certainly use of local air bases; possibly also … Arab air forces joining NATO patrols?

As for which five states are involved, Tunisia and Egypt are obvious candidates since they’re adjacent, have revolutionary fever themselves, and want to maintain good relations with the west in the near term to keep the foreign aid flowing while they reorganize. The obvious risk is that if Qaddafi somehow remains in charge, then they have to live with him and wonder if he’s plotting revenge. That’s not a big concern for Egypt, which could crush him if need be, but little Tunisia may think twice. Assuming they’re both in, though, then who are the other three states? Given the current circumstances in the region, would the Saudis dare lend logistical support to dislodging an Arab dictator — even one they despise? Stay tuned.

Exit question: How’d the NATO powers get China and Russia to go along with a no-fly zone on the Security Council? Exit answer: In a way, they didn’t.

Update: According to one report, four of the five Arab countries involved are the UAE, Qatar, Jordan, and … Saudi Arabia. No word on the fifth. I guess Tunisia and Egypt don’t want to make the mad dog mad.

Update: The vote’s over at the Security Council. 10-0, with Russia and China abstaining. Qaddafi’s response, via Al Jazeera’s live blog:

10:41pm Gaddafi did an interview with RTP, a Portuguese television station, this evening. In it, he said:

“The Security Council has not got the right to interfere in the internal affairs of any state. It would be a flagrant colonisation, without any justification. A serious and grave [inaudible]. This is craziness, madness, arrogance. If the world gets crazy with us, we will get crazy too…”

Asked what he means by ‘get crazy’, Gaddafi said:

“We will respond. We will make their lives hell, because they are making our lives hell. They will never have peace.”

It sounds like British and French war planes will be the first ones in.


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The resolution will pass.

China and Russia are abstaining. Which isn’t the same as vetoing.

The United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Qatar are saying they’ll support the action.

France is already warming up the planes.

Expect military action within hours.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:16 PM

President Hamlet prepares trip to Rio.

Too bad the carnival is over. The clowns arrive too late.

On topic, the Peacock at the Gridiron dinner

“I’ve dispatched Hillary to the Middle East to talk about how these countries can transition to new leaders — though, I’ve got to be honest, she’s gotten a little passionate about the subject,” Obama said to laughter from the audience.

He is a Superfool and the audience is no better for eating his caca. May they suffocate on it.

They laugh at the dying.

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2011 at 4:18 PM

BBC:

BBC Political Editor learns British forces could be in action over #Libya as soon as tomorrow if UN approves resolution

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:19 PM

You mean the French are going to kick more ass than us? I know it isn’t our service men that are scared, must be the President.

Tim Burton on March 17, 2011 at 4:19 PM

You mean the French are going to kick more a$s than us? I know it isn’t our service men that are scared, must be the President.

Tim Burton on March 17, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Better than no fly zone, which is too late, target the dictator.

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2011 at 4:20 PM

French fries are invigorated.

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2011 at 4:21 PM

So, Hillary’s threatening to resign if Obama didn’t get off his ass worked.

Dusty on March 17, 2011 at 4:21 PM

Race to the oil contracts.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM

I’ll believe it when the threat alarm goes off. Until then I’m putting my money on wagging fingers.

Limerick on March 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM

From Fox:


Libya’s defense minister warns that any military action against it will result in retaliatory strikes against air and Mediterranean sea traffic

Ah yes, the old “LINE OF DEATH” again huh? Well our president know just what to do in that situ … oh wait, I forgot, Reagan’s not the president anymore … ummm … NEVERMIND!

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 4:24 PM

From @PlaceLuxEU on Twitter:

BBC World reports that first air strikes would be by UK and French forces – no US involvement #Libya

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:25 PM

“I can tell you that when you speak to the people here, they say they’re winning, they say they’re beating back Gaddafi. Then you ask them the question should the international community do more, and they say ‘Yes, we’re all going to die if they don’t help’. So very contradictory answers to those questions,” Bays reported on Thursday.

Pretty much what you’d expect to hear from people in desparate need of foreign assistance.

Throughout history – this is the way rebels have sought to gain outside assistance – by convincing people they could and were winning. It’s how the Continental Congress got the French involved in the Revolut1on … and how the Confederates attempted to get the British to intervene against the US.

HondaV65 on March 17, 2011 at 4:26 PM

As I wrote this morning, this is the same as a football coach telling his team “WE ARE GOING TO PULL OUT ALL THE STOPS TO BEAT THE OPPOSITION,” when there is only 2 minutes left in the game and the coaches team is down 30 points.

It is TOO LATE!

Indy82 on March 17, 2011 at 4:26 PM

UN air strikes. How nice! You can count on them hitting the wrong targets and, if there is any activity involved on the ground, you can count on a few rapes to add to the damages. And good Ol Uncle Sucker will wind up paying all the bills.

MaiDee on March 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM

HondaV65 on March 17, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Yep.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM

You mean the French are going to kick more ass than us? – Tim

Yeah, crazy, isn’t it? But on the other hand, it may be a good sign, perhaps Europe is getting its balls back.

Go get ‘em, Frenchies! Remember, you are the decendants of Charles Martel!

Tony737 on March 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM

“UN airstrikes”??? What are they gonna drop? Cream puffs?

Dopenstrange on March 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Ah, yes. The old question in a crisis… where are the carriers? French Carriers that is!

I wonder if the French will be basing aircraft out of Tunisia?

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM

the French are telling people that airstrikes against Libyan air defenses — and maybe more — could begin immediately thereafter.

Excellent, we can now return the Iraq favor to the French.

RJL on March 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

To HondaV65′s point:

The point is to convince those who you’re asking to risk treasure and blood that your cause isn’t lost. That their time and resources may actually lead to something.

So it’s a fine line between saying that you’re winning and then insisting you’ll lose without help. Basically, you say you’re on the verge of success but will be beat back without the help of others. You need help to push it over the line, otherwise you’ll be forced to fall back.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:29 PM

How did the Chicoms and the Russians go along with the Resolution?

The Americans and the French caved to Beijing and Moscow on who would handle Libyan redevelopment!

All that Chinese money, don’t ya know!

Remember the Golden Rule: whomever has the Gold, makes the rules.

victor82 on March 17, 2011 at 4:29 PM

PULL OUT OF THE UN.
They are going to engage US troops in yet ANOTHER front?

ColdWarrior57 on March 17, 2011 at 4:29 PM

You mean the French are going to kick more ass than us? I know it isn’t our service men that are scared, must be the President.

Tim Burton on March 17, 2011 at 4:19 PM

It’s not the American flag they’re flying in Banghazi:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110314/i/r680015516.jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=m5cKdLxWBUK9f9ijSxyUbQ–

Abby Adams on March 17, 2011 at 4:30 PM

IF the UNSC actually comes to a decision. A very questionable assumption.

I say we veto. How you like them apples, China and Russia?

mojo on March 17, 2011 at 4:30 PM

The Security Council’s expected to vote at 6 p.m. ET and the French are telling people that airstrikes against Libyan air defenses — and maybe more — could begin immediately thereafter.

Why are the French such a bunch of unilateralist warmongers?

No blood for oil.

Leave Khadafy alone!

France is like Hitler. But worse.

They should do like America does. Nothing. Just be peaceful. Play golf. Work on your basketball bracket. Can’t we all just get along?

Professor Blather on March 17, 2011 at 4:30 PM

So the UN is going to agree to bomb a country because they’re fighting amongst themselves? Where was this interest in Darfur? It’s truly no wonder that body, and indeed the West in general, has virtually no credibility left.

changer1701 on March 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Is this going to be the mother of all conflagrations, or will Qaddafi be taken out by his own trusted bodyguards?

fourdeucer on March 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

MBM praises Obama’s non-action resulting in UN action which was the action he (Teh One) had ‘planned’ all along in 5…4…3…

catmman on March 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

A little late in the game.

Giving the rebels hope is just going to get more of them killed – they cannot win, all the propaganda to the contrary they simply don’t have enough support from enough of the people.

Rebar on March 17, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Tim Burton on March 17, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Abby Adams on March 17, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Frick. Try:

http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/6c/75/20045f824314af1b6bdf1c85173d.jpeg

Abby Adams on March 17, 2011 at 4:33 PM

this sh!t better be done by the time I head to Rio on saturday.
/$4/gallon

ted c on March 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM

[MaiDee on March 17, 2011 at 4:27 PM]

While I know what you mean, it’s still an euphemism for US air strikes. The US would not allow a clusterfark of air traffic over Libya with whoever owned a flying object and something to drop to occupy the airspace.

Odds are that it will either be the US alone or in conjunction with the Brits, if they are there. I doubt the French have done enough coordination with the US for us to let them help, unless there was a clear and separate zone of operation defined, which would already have been planned.

Dusty on March 17, 2011 at 4:35 PM

OT: Is anyone else being blocked from accessing Facebook?

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 17, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Does anyone suspect we have assets on the ground to lase targets? I can see us going after air defense mechanisms first, but I can’t see a single shot from anything but helos before we have the CIA in-country. The first 500 pounder that hits a rebel encampment will be highlight-video for not only Daffy and the goons, but AQ as well.

Now had we done this weeks ago when SP wanted to…

BKeyser on March 17, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Where was this interest in Darfur? changer1701 on March 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

How much oil does Darfur have?

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Washington Post:

Italian bases may be used for operations.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Literally speaking, Rice isn’t even asking to contemplate action, but to prepare ourselves to contemplate action.

So prepare to contemplate vs we start bombing tomorrow?

What a strange world we live in.

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM

So the UN is going to agree to bomb a country because they’re fighting amongst themselves? Where was this interest in Darfur? It’s truly no wonder that body, and indeed the West in general, has virtually no credibility left.

changer1701 on March 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

No, the fighting itself doesn’t warrant it.

The face that Gaddafi is a long-time terrorist that we were trying blow up back in the 1980s does.

The fact that this is an opportunity to destroy the man who ordered PanAm and celebrated the return recently of the bomber does.

If it was just Gaddafi bombing his people we wouldn’t be there. Let’s be honest. It’s that Gaddafi is bombing his people after decades of being a pain in our ass and global troublemaker.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Exit question: How’d the NATO powers get China and Russia to go along with a no-fly zone on the Security Council? Exit answer: In a way, they didn’t.

So other people besides The Won know how to vote present?

Cindy Munford on March 17, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Good God, please tell me they aren’t going to send US pilots over Libya for this!

deepdiver on March 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Is this going to be the mother of all conflagrations, or will Qaddafi be taken out by his own trusted bodyguards?

fourdeucer on March 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM

I hope Fox sends Shep over for some on the spot commentary along with a whole stack of clean undershorts. This better be over before the Final Four.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Barry will be for it. Until he’s against it.

GarandFan on March 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Tim Burton on March 17, 2011 at 4:20 PM

We are going to have to invent The Lafayette Award to give to Mr. Sarkozy.

Cindy Munford on March 17, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Washington Post: Italian bases may be used for dinner operations.
amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Akzed on March 17, 2011 at 4:44 PM

How many American troops or American money is involved?

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Remember the French aided us in the Revolutionary Way. France has gotten their cajones back finally.

…And we’ve lost ours.

dforston on March 17, 2011 at 4:46 PM

BKeyser on March 17, 2011 at 4:37 PM

We had all kinds of Egyptian help with renditions, I think we blew all our favor with Egypt the second we threw Mubarak under the bus. The CIA probably jumped on the first camel they could find to get out of there.

fourdeucer on March 17, 2011 at 4:46 PM

I was thinking it was too late, but Kadaffy’s guys will be sitting ducks if they are still outside the city.

And the mercenaries could get wobbly real quick if they get caught outside town, in the open, under NATO air power.

forest on March 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM

The ZSU-23-4 in the picture is a bad SOB. Four 23mm cannons and they put out fire like you wouldn’t believe.

Keep the pilots safe.

hawkdriver on March 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Hmmm…

So all the orgasmic tongue-kissing between France and Britain towards Daffy Duck (just last year) was just faked?

Funny what a little prehistoric squashed dinosaur fat can do to men.

Rookie on March 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM

How many American troops or American money is involved?

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:45 PM

At least in the initial strikes, none. Britain and France are leading the charge.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Where does the UN get its soldiers??

cntrlfrk on March 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Oh, I hadn’t even thought about money. You know The Won won’t mind contributing that.

Cindy Munford on March 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Best chance of taking him out without a lot of civilian casualties would be to co-opt some of his bodyguards. That seems to be the way things get done over there. Hope someone has some special force types on the ground to dangle the bait.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Good God, please tell me they aren’t going to send US pilots over Libya for this!

deepdiver on March 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Thinking the same thing

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

the lack of leadership is criminal!

wildweasel on March 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Where does the UN get its soldiers??

cntrlfrk on March 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM

It will be British and French soldiers if there are boots on the ground.

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Oh, I hadn’t even thought about money. You know The Won won’t mind contributing that.

Cindy Munford on March 17, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Yeah… he always throws money at a problem.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Abby Adams

THESE COLORS DON’T RUN!…..wait…

And I’m sure all the dead rebels are thrilled to death at the speed with which the world acted.

tree hugging sister on March 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

and the French are telling people that airstrikes against Libyan air defenses — and maybe more — could begin immediately thereafter.

The French?!?

Have at it.

As long as muslims are killing muslims and the oil runs free I’ve gotten to where I really don’t care.

BowHuntingTexas on March 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Interesting. Why would the UN sanction intervention in Librya but not in Iraq?

promachus on March 17, 2011 at 4:50 PM

At least in the initial strikes, none. Britain and France are leading the charge.

amerpundit on March 17, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Good. Let’s hope it stays that way. They’ve been playing nice with Lybia for a while… maybe it’s time they clean up the mess.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Yeah… he always throws money at a problem.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Are we sure what side Obama is going to choose here.

We know how he feels about the British and Daffy is his friend.

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 4:51 PM

BBC Political Editor learns British forces could be in action over #Libya as soon as tomorrow if UN approves resolution

Blood for Oil!

promachus on March 17, 2011 at 4:51 PM

“Oops I just bombed Malaga, Spain. Sacre bleu. I could have sworn I was over Algeria.”

MaiDee on March 17, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Brits are going in to make sure the Lockerbie bomber is safe, fluff up his pillows and freshen up his drink.

Christien on March 17, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Interesting. Why would the UN sanction intervention in Librya but not in Iraq?

promachus on March 17, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Money and oil contracts.

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Remember the French aided us in the Revolutionary Way. France has gotten their cajones back finally.

…And we’ve lost ours.

dforston on March 17, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Yup. The French were bad ass up until WWII (and that’s going back to the Franks in Roman Empire times).

We kid them for being cowards but people have to remember they lost millions from the time of Bonaparte through WWI.

BowHuntingTexas on March 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Go Shrestha, or Go Home.

Christien on March 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Excellent, we can now return the Iraq favor to the French.

RJL on March 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Wouldn’t it be awesome if it were the US which would finally pass a veto such a resolution?

promachus on March 17, 2011 at 4:55 PM

President Hamlet prepares trip to Rio.

Too bad the carnival is over. The clowns arrive too late.

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2011 at 4:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUE_ZYl5hw4&playnext=1&list=PLF03F06E286359D47

Del Dolemonte on March 17, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Calypso Louie and Jeremiah Wright frantically requesting an audience with the U.N.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Are we sure what side Obama is going to choose here.

We know how he feels about the British and Daffy is his friend.

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Susan Rice seems to be all for this mission…

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM

I pray that this administration doesn’t pull a “Bay of Pigs” scenario.

Gothguy on March 17, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Susan Rice seems to be all for this mission…
MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM

The rebels must really hate Israel.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 4:59 PM

We kid them for being cowards but people have to remember they lost millions from the time of Bonaparte through WWI.

BowHuntingTexas on March 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Well even in the 1940 German invasion of France they were losing 2,000 dead per day, and 5,000 wounded so it was no walk in the park.

They were not cowards, their officers were idiots.

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 4:59 PM

So when did a no-fly zone come to mean bombing forces? I mean aside from anti-aircraft installations.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Susan Rice seems to be all for this mission…

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Really, I thought she was still in contemplative mode?

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 5:00 PM

The rebels must really hate Israel.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 4:59 PM

You know, I wouldn’t be surprised.

Hey, at least we know we have Al Qaeda’s support.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 5:00 PM

I pray that this administration doesn’t pull a “Bay of Pigs” scenario.

Gothguy on March 17, 2011 at 4:58 PM

I doubt we have that authority in this operation.
BTW, U.N. vote in 1 hour and Fox says they will be all over it.

a capella on March 17, 2011 at 5:01 PM

BowHuntingTexas on March 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM

“were” is the key word. French salivated over the conquest of Europe and lost countless men. Then Germans and Russians did the same thing.

However the French have a natural talent at losing, and if a fight will ensue, I bet their best soldiers will be foreigners (aka Foreign Legion)

Rookie on March 17, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Really, I thought she was still in contemplative mode?

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 5:00 PM

No, she was on board at least yesterday.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 5:03 PM

I have a lot of questions about this:

1. The U.N. has an airplane?!
2. How do they propose raping women from the air?
3. Can the get enough time over target to watch the slaughter while doing nothing, which is SOP, isn’t it?
4. When will our President announce that he is convening a committee of donors to the Democratic party to consider all of the ways in which airpower might be used in this situation, with a report due next August?
5. Since it looks like it may already be too late to do anything, can we call this “Operation Head ‘em Off at the Past”?

jl on March 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM

No, she was on board at least yesterday.

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 5:03 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/17/us-now-mulling-airstrikes-on-gaddafi-forces-near-benghazi/

“We are discussing very seriously and leading efforts in the Council around a range of actions that we believe could be effective in protecting civilians,” U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice said in New York.

“The U.S. view is that we need to be prepared to contemplate steps that include but perhaps go beyond a no-fly zone.”

That doesn’t sound like all in to me.

sharrukin on March 17, 2011 at 5:06 PM

OK, gotta run, but this is bound to thrill the likes of Cindy Sheehan…

MeatHeadinCA on March 17, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Looks like Barry’s got Qaddafi bracketed, after all?

Christien on March 17, 2011 at 5:09 PM

2. How do they propose raping women from the air?
jl on March 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Nailed! UN troops excel at this activity

Rookie on March 17, 2011 at 5:10 PM

A Marxist with a sand wedge and an idiot walk into the Libyan desert at 3 am.

The Marxist says…

Hmmm… there has GOT to be a joke in here somewhere.

wccawa on March 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM

I believe that actions will confirm that the Brits are excellent and that the French are much better than their popular reputation.

A close call in some ways but I see both of them getting into the Final Four. Oddly enough Mr. Obama apparently has the same impression. When asked about the pending U.N. action – employing an extremely high pitched falsetto – (eat your heart out Frankie Valli) he exclaimed, “Fore!”

Mason on March 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Since it looks like it may already be too late to do anything, can we call this “Operation Head ‘em Off at the Past”?

jl on March 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM

I literally laughed out loud…

deepdiver on March 17, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Interesting. Why would the UN sanction intervention in Librya but not in Iraq?

A few guesses:

Saddam was doing a great job bribing the Euros. Kadaffi was too difficult and erratic for them to deal with. (For example, Saddam merely demanded UN votes which they could give piously in the name of diplomacy, whereas Kadaffi demanded the humiliating release of the Lockerbie mass murderer.)

Iraq was a club to beat America/Bush with: we’re war-mongers. Libya is, too, on the opposite side of the head: we don’t care about human rights.

And, most importantly, oil. The Iraq war didn’t do anything to advance their energy interests; this probably will.

sandberg on March 17, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Barry will be for it. Until he’s against it After it’s over.

GarandFan on March 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM

FIFY.

trigon on March 17, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Better than no fly zone, which is too late, target the dictator.

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2011 at 4:20 PM

Yep.

TexasDan on March 17, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Barry will be for it. Until he’s against it After it’s over.

GarandFan on March 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM

FIFY.

trigon on March 17, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Barry will be for it. Until he’s against it After it’s over, but only if it works.

If it fails, all we’ll hear about is how smart and decisive he was in deciding to golf instead of getting mixed up in this.

forest on March 17, 2011 at 5:28 PM

It’s a sad day for this old Republic when the French must fight in our place . . . never thought I’d see the day when this country ran and hid.l

rplat on March 17, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Obowma finally chimed in…

… He is call his new foreign policy,


Operation Archduke Franz Ferdinand

… Oh, wait!

/

Seven Percent Solution on March 17, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Sarkozy must be all oui oui’d up.

Rambotito on March 17, 2011 at 5:35 PM

So when did a no-fly zone come to mean bombing forces? I mean aside from anti-aircraft installations.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 4:59 PM

I love it when people who know absolutely nothing about the military preach what’s good to or not to do with it.

So, school’s in session. What did you think compels a native force to abide by restrictions from an imposed NFZ if not the threat of any and all forms of kinetic warfare from the air? Now, I know Ron Paul druids earnestly believe that conducting foreign policy with belligerent forces can be accomplished by promising that we won’t stick our noses in anyone else’s business, but I’d put my money on HEPD and JDAMs.

hawkdriver on March 17, 2011 at 5:35 PM

The sad fact is that a NFZ resolution means a mostly US effort. Our NATO allies don’t have the capability to enforce one. Nor do the Arabs.

See here: Jed Babbin

We have no compelling interest in the outcome in Libya. Our soldiers, sailors and airmen deserve better than to put in the middle of civil war that doesn’t protect us or our interests.

MJBrutus on March 17, 2011 at 5:37 PM

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