Conyers: ObamaCare a “platform” for government takeover of health care

posted at 11:36 am on March 15, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Remind me again about the Politifact “biggest lie” of 2010.  Or better yet, remind Rep. John Conyers, who tells CNS News that ObamaCare was a necessary step in the eventual government takeover of American health care:

Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, told CNSNews.com today that the health-care law that President Barack Obama signed last March is a “platform” for building a single-payer health care system in the United States.

During a newsmakers program at the National Press Club on Monday, Conyers said that after discussing the issue with Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D.-Ohio) he voted for the health-care law because he saw it as a necessary “platform” for building toward a single-payer health-care system in the United States. …

When asked if he thinks President Obama’s health-care law will lead to a single-payer health-care system in the U.S., Conyers said: “Well it’s a platform. I don’t think they flow smoothly but without that, if we didn’t have this then health care, universal health care would be an even more difficult legislative objective,” he said.

The economics of ObamaCare are already a disaster, especially after the “doc fix” passed afterward by Democrats that changed the pricing basics in their ObamaCare projections.  As similar efforts in Maine and Massachusetts have shown, the kinds of mandates required by the bill will make insurance costs skyrocket, and will eventually force insurers out of the market.  The government will already control the parameters of insurance offerings through the mandated “exchanges” for individual consumers, but those choices will rapidly disappear.  Employers will dump insurance in the long run as more costly than paying the fines for lack of participation, which will be more predictable in the shorter term.  That will leave consumers either paying directly for all care, without the ability to choose catastrophic insurance coverage, which will be forbidden under the terms of ObamaCare …. except for those getting waivers from HHS.

As we have said all along, the entire structure is designed for failure.  It’s a Trojan horse for an eventual government takeover of health care in the vacuum of a collapse in health insurance, forced into failure through government regulation.  Conyers simply confirms this long-term strategy.

Speaking of which, Senator Al Franken says that the charge that Net Neutrality amounts to a government takeover of the Internet is just as silly as claiming ObamaCare to be a government takeover of health care.  And just to prove how Net Neutrality doesn’t amount to a government takeover, Franken wants government to respond to violations of Net Neutrality rules with criminal prosecution:

Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) plans to introduce a bill that would make net neutrality violations a crime.

The Justice Department cannot take enforcement actions against cable and phone companies who block websites, according to experts and congressional Democrats.

Franken said in a speech at the South by Southwest conference on Monday that he is planning legislation that would amend antitrust laws to “call violations of net neutrality out for what they are: anti-competitive actions by powerful media conglomerates that represent violations of our anti-trust laws.”

Huh?  Internet companies act in a competitive market; they have to compete for consumers, albeit in some cases in restricted markets.  Wireless carriers, however, have a robustly competitive environment, and even the wired industry usually has two or three options for consumers in most cases.  If one carrier starts blocking websites, consumers will vote with their feet and go to the provider who doesn’t restrict access to them.

It’s amazing to see how Franken can argue that Net Neutrality laws don’t mean a government takeover of the Internet and then demand that people who don’t play along get prosecuted for it.


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When does he find the time to visit his wife in prison?

Roy Rogers on March 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Your picture didn’t work Ed. :)

Patrick on March 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM

When will Conyers sign himself up for ObamaCare?

Bishop on March 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM

So, why is this news? Obama said this on the radio back when he was still in Chicago. Rush has said this over and over for God knows how long, certainly since Hillary was taking her whack at it back in the 1990s.

Sorry, Conyers isn’t first, and neither is HotAir.

DaydreamBeliever on March 15, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Now bho and team are trying to see to it the SC doesn’t get involved in bhocare anytime soon! bho has no regard for the rule of law, it is his way or the highway!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/14/white-house-urges-supreme-court-jump-health-care-law-cases-prematurely/
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letget on March 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Mr. Franken has my support in this.

unclesmrgol on March 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM

When will Conyers sign himself up for ObamaCare?

Bishop on March 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM

When H#ll freezes over…..

huskerdiva on March 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Shouldn’t Conyers retire so he can spend more time seeing his wife during “visiting hours”?

I’m just sayin’…

I never had any relative, let alone my WIFE, in prison, so I figured that seeing them would be a PRIORITY RATHER THAN TRYING TO SET UP A SINGLE PAYER HEALTH PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!

Khun Joe on March 15, 2011 at 11:48 AM

It’s been way past 7 days since Judge Vinson ruled that Barry and his minions have to respond to his ruling. What gives?

SouthernGent on March 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM

George Orwell is a busy man these days.

MJBrutus on March 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Franken said in a speech at the South by Southwest conference on Monday that he is planning legislation that would amend antitrust laws to “call violations of net neutrality right-to-work out for what they are: anti-competitive actions by powerful media conglomerates unions that represent violations of our anti-trust laws.”

John Deaux on March 15, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Hey shouldn’t this be flagged as breaking news, 1939 FDR version?

The Obamacare regime filed last Wednesday, with a slow walking hearing request. On Friday the Circuit Court offered up an expedited schedule with the hearings to begin May 25th — no delays to be allowed said the court.

Apparently there are three co-equal branches of government, still.

tarpon on March 15, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Old news. I’m more interested in what our brave, courageous, principled GOP is doing to repeal this mess.
/sarc off

bloviator on March 15, 2011 at 11:54 AM

No kidding. The Left was saying this on open microphones all across the country in 2008.

And Cantor still won’t strip its funding.

rrpjr on March 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM

It’s been way past 7 days since Judge Vinson ruled that Barry and his minions have to respond to his ruling. What gives?

SouthernGent on March 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM

I was just thinking this.

fossten on March 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Wonder if SNL is going to do a skit this Saturday on the Al Franken Police coming to your home to arrest you for violating the new federal Internet laws…

jon1979 on March 15, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Healthcare for the Elites……..

Death Panels for the Serf Class.

Thanks Conyers.

PappyD61 on March 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Conyers: ObamaCare a “platform” “funeral pyre” for government takeover of health care

Fixed it for you, John

ChrisB on March 15, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Sorry Cantor won’t strip the funding because……?

…….he’s a Progressive!!!

PappyD61 on March 15, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Don’t worry. The bankruptcy of the nation will repeal Barry’s Big Medical System.

Rae on March 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM

George Orwell is a busy man these days.

MJBrutus on March 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM

So is Mussolini.

kurtzz3 on March 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

How does a nation of hard working, common sense, tax paying, play by the rules citizens… wind up with a collection of double digit I.Q. dunderheads run our lives?????????? I actually believe if Conyers and his ilk were given a basic logic quiz or asked to make change for a twenty dollar bill, they would score below simians. If they were not in politics, they would be on welfare because they have no marketable skills.

hoi polloi on March 15, 2011 at 12:09 PM

John Conyers, poster fossil of the Democrat Party.

ORconservative on March 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Huh? Internet companies act in a competitive market; they have to compete for consumers, albeit in some cases in restricted markets. Wireless carriers, however, have a robustly competitive environment, and even the wired industry usually has two or three options for consumers in most cases. If one carrier starts blocking websites, consumers will vote with their feet and go to the provider who doesn’t restrict access to them..

Ed – I love ya – but the tech assesments are just silly. I dont agree with Franken and his efforts through government – but to think is a wide open world of “choice” between wired/wireless providers is just not true, then add in contracts, early termination fees, etc.

IN many cases – those conglomerates OWN the backbone and rent the usage, without all the bells and whistles (purposely) to 3rd party providers – for 2 reasons – 1: well, its revenue and 2: those “former clients” go back to the original, hatred and all – because they have no choice. Some companies are capping weekly/monthly bandwidth usage – and there isnt a damn thing a user can do about it, ex post facto – except pay more or use less.

I have 1 choice for wired cable and 2 choices for wired internet – one of which is DSL and doesnt even get a consideration.

Of course I have 20 land line phone choices………… because of cell phones and the money for Cox, Comcast, ATT – is no longer a priority growth market, like they had a strangle hold for 80+ years.

See the Ma/Baby Bell’s mergers, acquisitions, spin offs for 40 years. Brokers, executives made millions for nothing more than greed.

Same thing is occurring with internet access

Odie1941 on March 15, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Franken is still butt sore over Air America’s failure.

Franken said in a speech at the South by Southwest conference on Monday that he is planning legislation that would amend antitrust laws to “call violations of net neutrality out for what they are: anti-competitive actions by powerful media conglomerates that represent violations of our anti-trust laws.”

Now he wants to legislate a non-competitive environment where Air America II will succeed.

Roy Rogers on March 15, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Excellent question southern gent

*crickets chirping*

cmsinaz on March 15, 2011 at 12:13 PM

It’s been way past 7 days since Judge Vinson ruled that Barry and his minions have to respond to his ruling. What gives?

SouthernGent on March 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM

The DOJ filed an expedited appeal with the 11th Circuit last week.

crr6 on March 15, 2011 at 12:17 PM

ObamaCare was designed to fail – seeing as it was written by the same people who want government-run health care.

And those “fines” that employers will have to pay will just be jacked up every year as government “contains” health care costs.

As for Franken – always was, always will be an idiot.

GarandFan on March 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Southern Gent,
I heard they filed their appeal. I myself was hoping for U.S. Marshall’s explaining to the Secret Service, “He can ride with you, but you’re gonna have to follow us.” Alas, not this week.

onomo on March 15, 2011 at 12:26 PM

The DOJ filed an expedited appeal with the 11th Circuit last week.

crr6 on March 15, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Shocking! Holder’s name is nowhere to be seen on that document. Apparently he’s tossed this bone to Tony West, who was the lead government attorney on the Arizona Immigration law.

Tony’s also the guy who before joining DOJ defended the American Taliban guy.

West, who is a part of a power family in California, has known Obama since 2004, and he was a top fundraiser for Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign. He was finance co-chair of Obama’s California campaign, where the then-senator raised a record total of $65 million.

Del Dolemonte on March 15, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Shout down because you’ve an opposing opinion until power is amassed to shut you down. Its the progressive’s way of practising free speach.
They’re not lies when you attach a “parody” disclaimer at the end of your books right Al? Besides truth like all things of a progressive manner is relative. Just need the right spin.
Goes along way explaining why Conyers always appears confused or dizzy when he’s speaking? Getting too old to really throw the spin to it anymore.

onomo on March 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM

It’s amazing to see how Franken can argue that Net Neutrality laws don’t mean a government takeover of the Internet and then demand that people who don’t play along get prosecuted for it.

If you think this is amazing, wait until you see the Republicans in the House and Senate go along with it!

Freddy on March 15, 2011 at 12:39 PM

It is a tribute to Conyers he can still get his pants on in the morning.

Under Obamacare, there would be a chance he wouldnt make it past the Death Panels. Does Conyers even understand non politicians have to show brain activity to be considered viable?

entagor on March 15, 2011 at 12:59 PM

John Conyers, poster fossil of the Democrat Party.
ORconservative at 12:10 PM

fossil fool

ziggyville on March 15, 2011 at 1:06 PM

When will Conyers sign himself up for ObamaCare?

Bishop on March 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM

…about the same time that these Congressional crooks are subjected to the same tax laws as the American people.

Baxter Greene on March 15, 2011 at 1:24 PM

“Every other industrialized country…”

We have de-industrialized so quickly in this country thanks in no small part to the unfriendly regulatory environment imposed by the busybody, micromanaging liberals. We don’t need a “industrial country” health care system because we aren’t one. And if we were, why would we foist such a huge bag of failure on our people when we are over our heads in entitlement obligations?

Greek Fire on March 15, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Mr. Franken has my support in this.
unclesmrgol on March 15, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Uncle, been a fan of yours for the last 3-4 years. Usually agree with you (except on some of your opinions about The War Between the States).

Even though you may think there are “good reasons” for the government to “do something” about the internet, how can you trust what will happen next after Conyers and the rest of the jackals re-establish/emphasis the fact that they need to exercise more CONTROL OF THE INTERNET?

You’ve explained before (but I still don’t understand) why aspects of “internet access” are broken. As “broken” as the internet is currently…..given how complex the issue is…I’d wager three months pay that if Congress takes a more active role in regulating it, it will make matters worse.

Do you have an example of ANYTHING that was improved with MORE Fed gov “oversight”?

SwabJockey on March 15, 2011 at 2:30 PM

When will Conyers sign himself up for ObamaCare?

Bishop on March 15, 2011 at 11:41 AM

…about the same time that these Congressional crooks are subjected to the same tax laws as the American people.

Baxter Greene on March 15, 2011 at 1:24 PM

…and the same SEC insider-trading rules.

slickwillie2001 on March 15, 2011 at 2:34 PM

…about the same time that these Congressional crooks are subjected to the same tax laws as the American people.

Baxter Greene on March 15, 2011 at 1:24 PM

That they drink wine, while preaching water, should be in the news, daily.

Media, suffocate of what you dwell in, liberal caca.

Schadenfreude on March 15, 2011 at 2:54 PM

It simply galls me. C’mon now. How many times did people, and pundits, and politicians, and anyone who really knew…said this was leading to government takeovers, only to be called liars.

Well will the real liars finally stand up now?

capejasmine on March 15, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Don’t forget that Obama also admitted that the goal of Obamacare was to get it to morph into a single payer program in the future.

Conservative Samizdat on March 15, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Here’s a plan for the future:

* Pass everything as unfunded mandates (remember Congress controls the vertical and horizontal of the economic-related decision-making processes) through reconciliation, explaining how unfunded mandates will save the government money in your projections

* then later, when the complicit press are not watching, just pass the bill for the bill.

Axeman on March 16, 2011 at 9:53 AM