Report: Meltdown at Japan reactor may be underway; Update: Meltdown caused explosion? Update: Another reactor in trouble; Update: New meltdown may be starting; Update: Or not? Update: Live feed added

posted at 12:47 am on March 12, 2011 by Allahpundit

Can’t find anything on the wires yet, but news is breaking all over Twitter and at Kyodo News. The headline:

BREAKING NEWS: Fukushima nuke plant might be experiencing nuclear meltdown

And:

BREAKING NEWS: Radioactive Cesium detected near Fukushima plant: nuke safety commission

Cesium would be the signature of a true meltdown. There’s no danger to civilians so long as the containment dome holds. If it doesn’t hold, oh boy.

Another ominous note via Twitter:

Four other Fukushima nuke reactors are struggling with similar problem. If multiple meltdown begins, it will be uncontrollable.

Looking for further details at news sites. Stand by for updates.

Update: Here’s a bare-bones report at Kyodo News repeating the bits quoted above.

Update: More from Al Jazeera:

“The events that occurred at these plants, which is the loss of both offsite power and onsite power, is one of the rarest events to happen in a nuclear power plant, and all indications are that the Japanese do not have the situation under control,” “Edwin Lyman, a nuclear expert at the Union of Concerned Scientists, a US-based nonprofit organisation, said…

However, Naoto Sekimura, a professor at the University of Tokyo, said a major radioactive disaster was unlikely.

“No Chernobyl is possible at a light water reactor. Loss of coolant means a temperature rise, but it also will stop the reaction,” he said.

“Even in the worst-case scenario, that would mean some radioactive leakage and equipment damage, but not an explosion. If venting is done carefully, there will be little leakage. Certainly not beyond the 3 km radius.”

Update: They’ve reached the point where they’re pouring water on the reactor out of a fire truck to try to reduce the temperature.

Parts of the reactor’s nuclear fuel rods were briefly exposed to the air after cooling water levels dropped through evaporation, and a fire engine was pumping water into the reactor, Jiji Press reported. The water levels are recovering, said operator Tokyo Electric Power, according to Jiji.

A TEPCO spokesman told AFP that ‘we believe the reactor is not melting down or cracking. We are trying to raise the water level.’ Kyodo News agency moments later said radioactive caesium had been detected near Fukushima plant, citing the nuclear safety commission.

Update: Another Japanese official tells the AP that even if a meltdown occurs, it shouldn’t affect anyone beyond a six-mile radius — and most of those people either have been evacuated or, no doubt, are in the process. All eyes now are on the containment dome.

Update: The WSJ confirms that people within a six-mile (i.e. 10-kilometer) radius were already being shipped out hours ago. Also, an update on the control room, where radiation levels reached 1,000 times the normal rate earlier:

Radiation levels aren’t supposed to rise in a control room, which is designed to allow operators to continue working during emergencies and is equipped with filtration systems and other design features to protect workers from radiation exposure. Nevertheless, experts said that a level that is 1,000 times normal probably isn’t immediately harmful.

The technicians on the scene battling this thing must be signing years of their lives away, if not decades.

Update: Finally, some good news from Kyodo News:

BREAKING NEWS: Pressure successfully released from Fukushima No. 1 reactor: agency (15:31)

That won’t stop a meltdown but it might prevent a fracture in the containment dome, which is now the last line of defense.

Update: Here’s some nice news to wake up to:

A huge explosion has rocked a Japanese nuclear power plant damaged by Friday’s devastating earthquake.

A pall of smoke was seen coming from the plant at Fukushima. Four workers were injured…

The Japanese government’s chief spokesman, Yukio Edano, said the concrete building housing the plant’s number one reactor had collapsed but the metal reactor container inside was not damaged.

He said radiation levels around the plant had fallen after the explosion.

Why would radiation levels around the plant fall because of an explosion?

Update: People within a 12-mile radius have now been evacuated. The core hasn’t completely melted down, Japanese officials say, and new cooling efforts are underway:

Tokyo Electric Power, which operates the plant, which is located 160 miles north of Tokyo, now plans to fill the reactor with sea water to cool it down and reduce pressure. The process would take five to 10 hours, Mr. Edano said, expressing confidence that the operation could “prevent criticality.”…

Japanese nuclear safety officials and international experts said that because of crucial design differences the release of radiation at the Fukushima plant would likely be much smaller than at Chernobyl even if the Fukushima plant has a complete core meltdown, which they said it had not.

As for why the concrete roof on the building would blow when they’d already released some gas to lower the pressure inside:

Those releases apparently did not prevent the buildup of hydrogen inside the reactor [Update: NYT error, see update below], which ignited and exploded Saturday afternoon, government officials said. They said the explosion itself probably did not result in dramatic increases in the amount of radioactive material being released into the atmosphere, but they expanded the evacuation area around the Daiichi plant from a six-mile radius to a 12-mile radius.

They’ve moved from battery power to the cooling system back to generators, which is a hopeful sign, but they still need to vent some gas in the containment dome to keep the pressure stable.

Update: Amazing video of the explosion via rdbrewer. Skip ahead to 50 seconds in for the blast. Even more amazing, given the force, is that the containment dome is still intact.

Update: A commenter at Ace’s site translates an article at Japan’s Asahi news site: “Hydrogen built up in a storage vessel and exploded. It was not the reactor.” I haven’t seen anyone else report that, and it contradicts the excerpt from the NYT quoted above. It’s also unclear why pressure would be building at the plant outside the reactor. Presumably it’s a byproduct of quake damage. If you come across an English-language news site confirming that it was a storage vessel, please tip us.

Update: Here’s a reassuring Reuters round-up of thoughts from several nuclear experts. Uniformly, they’re skeptical that this will turn into a major disaster. A quote from an official at the Chernobyl Nuclear Safety Center:

“The explosion at No. 1 generating set of the Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan, which took place today, will not be a repetition of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster,” Interfax quoted the Ukrainian expert as saying.

He said that the Japanese nuclear power plants use reactors of a totally different design to Chernobyl’s.

“Japan has modern-type reactors. All fission products should be isolated by the confinement (the reactor’s protection shell). Only gas emission is possible.”

Another expert speculates that the explosion might have been caused by the coolant overheating and turning to steam more rapidly than expected.

Update: Rod Adams, an activist who supports nuclear energy and a former operator at a light-water nuclear plant, also argues that the fears here are way overblown:

At [Three Mile Island], the widely predicted and discussed “China Syndrome” did not happen, even though 20-30% of the core melted and slumped to the bottom of the pressure vessel. That melted corium froze again once it contacted the thick metal walls – the maximum measured penetration was just 5/8ths of an inch. Anyone who has ever watched as welder employs a torch to cut through a thick steel wall will understand just how much concentrated power it takes to melt several inches of steel. Avoiding the China Syndrome was not a matter of luck – the scenario is imaginary and only works in fiction. Physics and material science make it impossible….

Radiation levels inside the containment will be many times higher than usual, but that is okay because no one needs routine access inside containment buildings and no humans will be over exposed. The containment walls, reactor coolant piping, and other equipment inside the containment building will condense and capture much of the radioactive materials that are entrained in the water. Other than those vented noble gases mentioned above, essentially nothing will be released to the environment.

His point about the strength of the containment dome is well taken, but the X factor here is the mega-quake. What happens to the structural integrity of a dome when it gets hit with a 9.1 tremor and dozens of giant aftershocks?

Update: Speaking of which, the aftershocks are still coming. The latest to hit the plant — after the explosion — was a 6.4.

Update: Contrary to the “calm down” message being pushed by nuclear experts this morning, Stratfor’s analysis of the situation at the plant is frightening:

However, the earthquake in Japan, in addition to damaging the ability of the control rods to regulate the fuel — and the reactor’s coolant system — appears to have damaged the containment facility, and the explosion almost certainly did. There have been reports of “white smoke,” perhaps burning concrete, coming from the scene of the explosion, indicating a containment breach and the almost certain escape of significant amounts of radiation…

And so now the question is simple: Did the floor of the containment vessel crack? If not, the situation can still be salvaged by somehow re-containing the nuclear core. But if the floor has cracked, it is highly likely that the melting fuel will burn through the floor of the containment system and enter the ground. This has never happened before but has always been the nightmare scenario for a nuclear power event — in this scenario, containment goes from being merely dangerous, time consuming and expensive to nearly impossible.

Follow the link for harrowing data on radiation exposure. That was written a few hours ago, but it seems to be behind the news curve. Japanese officials insist that the containment dome around the reactor core hasn’t been breached; in fact, they claim, radiation levels around the plant are dropping, not increasing. That’s not to say things couldn’t change — see my point above about aftershocks — but for now it looks like the nightmare scenario has been averted.

Update: NPR says that flooding the reactor core with sea water will effectively destroy the plant, but will (hopefully) prevent a meltdown. And if it does melt down? “[T]he only thing left to do will be to ‘seal it up with concrete. You sort of entomb it.’”

Update: Japanese officials keep insisting that the radiation leak thus far has been small, but three people in the area — randomly selected from a group of 90 — have already tested positive for radiation poisoning.

Update: A reader e-mails to point out that the Times has now changed the passage I quoted above about the explosion being caused by hydrogen building up inside “the reactor.” It now reads, “Those releases apparently did not prevent the buildup of hydrogen inside the plant, which ignited and exploded Saturday afternoon, government officials said.” Hence the confusion between the NYT report and the Asahi report on what caused the explosion.

Speaking of which, more details from the Times on what happened:

David Lochbaum, who worked at three reactors in the United States similar to the Fukushima design, and who was later hired by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to teach its personnel about that technology, said that from pictures he had seen of the stricken plant, the explosion appeared to have occurred in the turbine hall, and not the reactor vessel or the containment that surrounds the vessel.

The technology used at Fukushima is called a boiling-water reactor, in which the reactor, inside a containment, sends its steam out of containment to a turbine. The turbine converts the steam’s energy into rotary motion, which turns a generator and makes electricity.

But as the water goes through the reactor, some water molecules break up into hydrogen and oxygen. A system in the turbine hall usually scrubs out those gases. Hydrogen is also used in the turbine hall to cool the electric generator. Hydrogen from both sources has sometimes escaped and exploded, he said, but in this case, there is an additional source of hydrogen: interaction of steam with the metal of the fuel rods. Operators may have vented that hydrogen into the turbine hall.

Update: The Guardian thinks the hour of crisis has passed but notes that “the Japanese nuclear industry has a bad reputation for owning up to accidents and many observers remain cautious about accepting these claims [that things are under control] too quickly.”

Update: I’m now completely confused. As noted two updates ago, the going theory is that it was a turbine in the plant, not anything happening inside the reactor, that had exploded and blasted the walls off of the building housing the containment dome. But now comes this, which is being headlined by Drudge:

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) said Saturday afternoon the explosion at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant could only have been caused by a meltdown of the reactor core.

The Bellum blog at the Stanford Review notes that no one else is reporting this and that NISA’s latest statement on the situation at the plant says nothing about a meltdown. What we’re seeing here, I think, is a perfect storm of journalistic confusion: The facts on the ground are changing rapidly, so some information is constantly outdated; the details of nuclear engineering are obscure to laypeople, so reporters aren’t sure what to make of new developments; and Japanese officials may themselves be lying about how bad the situations, either to keep people calm or to cover their own asses while they can. According to the Times, they’re now saying that “a major meltdown is no longer imminent.” True? False? Somewhere in between? Exercise caution going forward. In fact, here’s a worthy read from Sci Am as we veer from calm to hysteria and back again: “Beware the fear of nuclear … fear.” Quote:

We know from studying the survivors of [the Hiroshima and Nagasaki] bombings, who were bathed in horrific doses of high level radiation – far worse than anything that could come from the Daiichi plant (or that came out of Chernobyl) – that ionizing radiation from nuclear energy is a carcinogen, but a relatively weak one. The roughly 100,000 survivors of the two atomic bomb blasts are known in Japan as hibakusha, and they are honored, and given special rights…

Based on studies of atomic bomb survivors, the World Health organization estimates the maximum lifetime death toll from cancer due to radiation exposure from Chernobyl, of roughly 800,000 people, will be about 4,000.

And what about environmental damage? A huge area around Chernobyl is off limits to humans for hundreds of years. But that’s to limit human exposure to ionizing radiation which, while dangerous, is less so than many of us presume. With people removed, wildlife in those areas is thriving.

Update: The number one reactor at Fukushima isn’t the only reactor at the plant that’s in trouble. Reuters reports that they’ve now lost their emergency cooling system at reactor number three.

Update: At 5:48 p.m. on Saturday, CNN reports that one of the reactors might be melting down:

A meltdown may be under way at one of Fukushima Daiichi’s nuclear power reactors, an official with Japan’s nuclear and industrial safety agency told CNN Sunday.

A meltdown is a catastrophic failure of the reactor core, with a potential for widespread radiation release. However, Toshiro Bannai, director of the agency’s international affairs office, expressed confidence that efforts to control the crisis would prove successful.

A spokesman for NISA told reporters that as long as they can continue pumping sea water in to the containment vessel (which one nuclear expert describes as a “Hail Mary pass”), the situation shouldn’t get any worse. And yet … it sounds like it’s getting worse. Maybe the meltdown is happening in reactor number three, which is also in a state of emergency right now?

Update: And with this, I’m officially ready to give up on this story. CNN now quotes Japan’s ambassador to the U.S. as saying there’s no evidence of a meltdown in progress:

“We are now trying to cope with the situation by putting salt water into the reactor,” he said. “There are some other issues with other reactors as well, which need also injection of water or taking out vapor because of increasing pressure into the container and we are now working on it.”…

Engineers have been unable to get close enough to the core to know what’s going on, an official with Japan’s nuclear and industrial safety agency told CNN Sunday. He based his conclusion on the fact that they measured radioactive cesium and radioactive iodine in the air Saturday night.

So after hours and hours of blogging this thing, there’s the verdict: No one knows what’s going on. Terrific.

Update: A reader passes along the link to this live feed — in English — of Japan’s national public broadcasting network, NHK. That’s probably your best bet for news on the reactor and other quake fallout in Japan.


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Maybe the wife used the pressure cooker as a pressure cooker before it became a WMD.

Cindy Munford on April 29, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Pink mist. It was everywhere and I wouldn’t be surprised if it landed on the remnants of the bomb.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 7:25 PM

This whole investigation is starting to read like a Tom Clancy Novel.

portlandon on April 29, 2013 at 7:25 PM

The living Joker jihady looks faminine anyway ;-)

burrata on April 29, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Couldn’t the material also have come from a female victim at the scene?

Whoops. Didn’t see this. I think it would take more than 2 weeks to rule the victims out as being the source of the dna. So, why release this info to the public? We could skip to the chase and get a sample from wifey right now.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 7:27 PM

This whole investigation is starting to read like a Tom ClancyKeystone Cops Novel.

portlandon on April 29, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Fixed it.

trs on April 29, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Allah,

How do I buy stock in Hot Air, and what is the abbreviation so I can see how they are trading?

MarshFox on April 29, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Maybe that means Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be more likely to cooperate now, or maybe that means we’ll be paying for three hots and cot for this cretin for the next 60 years in exchange for nothing.

Strip him of his citizenship. Give him a choice: cooperate and he gets death, don’t cooperate and serve life without parole in a Russian prison.

rbj on April 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Mom! Where’s my pressure cooker?

The Mom? Or the wife?

I’d take another good and long look at the wife.

Upper middle class…white…liberal…convert to Islam.

Deserves another look. Scary prospect. Once that crossover has been made…seriously scary prospect.

The mom? Blantantly pro-jihadi. Nothing new, there.

I’d pay attention to Bob Baer, by the way. Former colleague. Been there. Know’s of which he speaks better than the vast majority of others. Was casing Islamic terrorists long before it became chic.

coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 7:30 PM

‘Mommmmmmmaaaaaaaa!,’ ‘Honey, I think you left some DNA on that bomb!’ or entire family of ‘lone wolves’???

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Maybe Jason Collins can find out. I heard he is a “hero” or something.

tetriskid on April 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Eric Holder will get to the bottom this…I am confident of that./////////////////////////////

d1carter on April 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Clarke’s specialty isn’t acquittal, it’s helping high-profile and obviously guilty defendants like Loughner avoid capital punishment.

Loughner was/is crazy as a loon. I’m shocked that they got him through a plea even with all the meds. This muslim dirtbag is not crazy.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

One official familiar with the case said agents went to the house Monday to collect a DNA sample from Ms. Russell [i.e. Tsarnaev's widow], the culmination of days of negotiations.

Missed it again!

FBI officials also have been negotiating with Ms. Russell’s attorney in recent days to get fuller access to question her, the officials familiar with the case said.

Just arrest the dirtbag.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM

If momma ain’t bombin’, ain’t nobody bombin’!

SouthernGent on April 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Atty for Jared Loughner, Tuscon mass murderer, added to Tsarnaev defense team. Legend Judy Clarke

How did this happen ?
Did the Joker ‘s family retain this lawyer ?
If yes, then will the taxpayers be paying for this and the other lawyer too ?
Did the DoJ appoint this lawyer ?
If yes, then why ?
Did the lawyer volunteer to protect the killer ?
If yes, then who is paying the fees? The saudis ?

burrata on April 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Were the backpacks new, used, or stolen?

meci on April 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

burrata on April 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM

She was/is a federal public defender who specializes in capital cases. Since every DP defendant is entitled to two attys and most offices can’t spare two attys at once or don’t have two qualified attys, they can contract out.

But, yeah, the tax payer foots the bill.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Were the backpacks new, used, or stolen?

meci on April 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Interesting…

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Maybe Jason Collins can find out. I heard he is a “hero” or something.

tetriskid on April 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

bwahahahaha

budfox on April 29, 2013 at 7:44 PM

burrata on April 29, 2013 at 7:37 PM

The federal public defender’s office in Massachusetts is representing him. It can take on private second-chairs, who will be paid for by the taxpayer, but not at his normal hourly rate, typically.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Didn’t Joker live with a few girls?

Weren’t they his sisters?

And some Kazaks, too?

As Yoda would say – “many people this could be from”.

budfox on April 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Couldn’t the material also have come from a female victim at the scene?

Whoops. Didn’t see this. I think it would take more than 2 weeks to rule the victims out as being the source of the dna. So, why release this info to the public? We could skip to the chase and get a sample from wifey right now.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Because they seems to see this as significant, it may have been DNA material trapped in the components of the bomb, like maybe a hair or tiny fingerprint partial under a piece of electrical tape, just for example.

slickwillie2001 on April 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Have we stopped all muslim immigration yet? Why not? If it saves the life of one child, we have to do it.

slickwillie2001 on April 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Report: Feds find female DNA on one of the marathon bombs

So when will someone on MSNBC claim that “IT’S CONSERVATIVE DNA!”

GarandFan on April 29, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Have the FBI determined if the DNA is from a virgin?

This may be helpful.

/

Electrongod on April 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Where was Sarah Palin during the making of these bombs?

portlandon on April 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Where was Sarah Palin during the making of these bombs?

portlandon on April 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM

She’s a runner, y’know!

massrighty on April 29, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Update: Former CIA analyst Robert Baer is also wondering about a third person — not an accomplice per se, but a trainer.

What an idiot if he can’t even figure out who the third person was. The Boston Bomber Bastards may have perspired, but it was Mohammad (all Muslims “Perfect Man”) who inspired.

VorDaj on April 29, 2013 at 7:56 PM

One of the Tsarnaev sisters?

annoyinglittletwerp on April 29, 2013 at 7:57 PM

JustTheFacts on April 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Holy Jesus…are you having a stroke right now???

Just go with it.

BigWyo on April 29, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Have the FBI determined if the DNA is from a virgin?

This may be helpful.

/

Electrongod on April 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Lindsey Graham?

VorDaj on April 29, 2013 at 7:58 PM

” At this point , what difference does it make? ”

Sorry , I got Benghazi on my mind today .

Lucano on April 29, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Dammit…

BigWyo on April 29, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Couldn’t the material also have come from a female victim at the scene?

That was my first thought.

or a stray hair that ended up in the bomb

Wouldn’t a hair inside the bomb be incinerated?

Wouldn’t any DNA on anything inside the bomb get incinerated?

Maybe something on the exterior could survive. But on the interior?

But I’m far from up to date on the latest technology for detecting DNA.

And I have never watched an episode of CSI either. /s

farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Lindsey Graham?

VorDaj on April 29, 2013 at 7:58 PM

:)

I wasn’t expecting that

Electrongod on April 29, 2013 at 8:01 PM

… how would the feds ever prove that it didn’t end up there innocently? Unless Dzhokhar’s prepared to testify to that fact, I mean. Maybe in exchange for a plea deal?

Some sociopaths might draw the line at fingering mom.

Some might not.

farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Can all former Weather Underground members be accounted for? What are their alibis (I imagine being “in class, teaching” is standard line for them all)?

Neo on April 29, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Allen: “Well, it’s when he began to actually pray, face towards Mecca and pray. Right away you heard comments: ‘This guy a terrorist? I think this guy’s a terrorist.’”

Not knowing the context of this quote initially I thought they were talking about fellow mosque attendees who were remarking on the intensity of his devotion. Realizing that Allen was his coach, I can only say it probably is a wee bit unusual for a boxer to pray to Mecca 5 times a day. I doubt Muhammad Ali did that. Who has the time to do this and hold a job/work (outside of a mosque or university of course).

Buy Danish on April 29, 2013 at 8:15 PM

The intelligence failure under Obama on this Boston terrorism is staggering. There should be a congressional investigation of it given the multiple warnings to the FBI & CIA. Under Obama there is a certain amount of cow-towing to CAIR and other enemies:

http://bit.ly/17uaQRJ

Chessplayer on April 29, 2013 at 8:17 PM

But, yeah, the tax payer foots the bill.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM

——

who will be paid for by the taxpayer, but not at his normal hourly rate, typically.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 7:45 PM

So not even the marxist dirtbags in our universities masquerading as law professors won’t defend a fellow dirtbag jihady on their own dime and time ?
This jihady has hit the jackpot after killing 4 people .

burrata on April 29, 2013 at 8:17 PM

But, yeah, the tax payer foots the bill.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM

——

who will be paid for by the taxpayer, but not at his normal hourly rate, typically.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 7:45 PM

So not even the marxist dirtbags in our universities masquerading as law professors want to defend a fellow dirtbag jihady on their own dime and time ?
This jihady has hit the jackpot after killing 4 people .

burrata on April 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Please please PLEASE let it be Joy Behar’s.

Bishop on April 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Please please PLEASE let it be Joy Behar’s.

Bishop on April 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Knowing the Left, they are probably hoping it’s Sarah Palin’s.

Del Dolemonte on April 29, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Who has the time to do this and hold a job/work (outside of a mosque or university of course).

Buy Danish on April 29, 2013 at 8:15 PM

What job? He was a self-described ‘stay-at-home’ dad. Staying at home was, obviously, a flexible term for him considering he left his wife and child and went to Russia for six months.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Buy Danish on April 29, 2013 at 8:15 PM

The five times a day prayer thing actually does not consume that much time, unless you are truly truly devout..toss the rug, tap your head to the ground a couple times, get up, roll up the rug…maybe a couple minutes, tops.

Was on a plane trying to fly out of Islamabad once, running late…PIA, of course…the plane stopped on the runway….doors opened, ladders propped up…most of the passengers got off…did the prayer thing, got back on the plane. OK, it was Pakistan. Troubling thing, at the time there was no fence along the runways…people just walked all over at will. Could have put anyone they wanted on that flight. Nobody checked anything when they got back onboard. Boom!

coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 8:23 PM

So not even the marxist dirtbags in our universities masquerading as law professors want to defend a fellow dirtbag jihady on their own dime and time ?
This jihady has hit the jackpot after killing 4 people .

burrata on April 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Marxist dirtbags are only only generous with other people’s money.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Meh.

What difference does it make?

Labamigo on April 29, 2013 at 8:26 PM

the dna could be from anyone who innocently touched any of the components- sales clerks, whom ever packaged any of the parts for sale, anyone who used the cooker for its intended purpose… they can get dna from the most minute sources now so the odds it was someone unconnected with the bombing are quite high…

mittens on April 29, 2013 at 8:26 PM

So not even the marxist dirtbags in our universities masquerading as law professors want to defend a fellow dirtbag jihady on their own dime and time ?
This jihady has hit the jackpot after killing 4 people .

burrata on April 29, 2013 at 8:19 PM

They never do trials. It’s easier to point your finger and second guess the trial atty. None of these organisations like Reprieve or AI do either. And foreign countries do not pay for attys or contribute to the defense. All they do is whine and lie after the fact.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 8:30 PM

HI MOM

Grunt on April 29, 2013 at 8:31 PM

The federal public defender’s office in Massachusetts is representing him. It can take on private second-chairs, who will be paid for by the taxpayer, but not at his normal hourly rate, typically.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 7:45 PM

With the media attention on this case? They had to beat off the number of lawyers willing to work for free to represent a terrorist who blew up an eight-year old. They are all scum.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:33 PM

What job? He was a self-described ‘stay-at-home’ dad. Staying at home was, obviously, a flexible term for him considering he left his wife and child and went to Russia for six months.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Wife was working 80 hours a week. Hard to see how she was as involved as some suggest.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Marxist dirtbags are only only generous with other people’s money.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I was expecting that since this Joker killed a cop,
he will be flooded with offers of pro bono
protection , from marxist dirtbags in our universities, on behalf of this WH.
Guess I was wrong.
Let’s hope that when he becomes a law professor after getting out of prison, he remembers the tough times he had and helps out as many jihadies as he can……

burrata on April 29, 2013 at 8:37 PM

‘Mommmmmmmaaaaaaaa!,’ ‘Honey, I think you left some DNA on that bomb!’ or entire family of ‘lone wolves’???

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

.
‘I told you to “wipe it down good” ….. can’t you follow simple orders ? !’

listens2glenn on April 29, 2013 at 8:43 PM

What job? He was a self-described ‘stay-at-home’ dad. Staying at home was, obviously, a flexible term for him considering he left his wife and child and went to Russia for six months.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Yes, I know. But Muhammed Ali had a job. It was a general criticism of devout Islam and why it’s incompatible with America’s hard working culture. Or what was previously its culture when it was known as an extraordinarily industrious place. Before Barack.

coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Did things really go boom or are you describing what could have happened?

Buy Danish on April 29, 2013 at 8:44 PM

With the media attention on this case? They had to beat off the number of lawyers willing to work for free to represent a terrorist who blew up an eight-year old. They are all scum.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:33 PM

The federal public defender’s office is representing Tsarnev. Motion filed by his Federal public defender, Miriam Conrad, to appoint ‘learned counsel’ in addition to attorneys from public defender’s office. Meet Miriam Conrad, ‘the 56-year-old veteran Federal public defender who may have become America’s most reviled lawyer last week when she agreed to represent Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the nation’s most infamous criminal defendant.’

Tsarnaev will reportedly face federal terrorism charges, as well as possible state murder charges. At this point, Obama administration officials say he will be tried in federal court. The Federal public defender’s office in Massachusetts will represent him.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 8:46 PM

This report means nothing. There was DNA of 200 people thrown around during the explosion.

TX-96 on April 29, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Wife was working 80 hours a week. Hard to see how she was as involved as some suggest.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:36 PM

That leaves her with 88 other hours per week. I haven’t said that I think that she’s involved, but to say that she couldn’t have been because she works so much is naive. Besides, there are degrees of culpability. She or someone else may not have been part of the conspiracy or known exactly what they were going to do, but could still be guilty of other crimes.

As far as wifey and the benefit of the doubt are concerned, this woman saw her husband’s photo on national television and knew what he was accused of doing. According to her own brother-in-law, she advised them to get out of Dodge. Whether that is true or not, we will learn. What is NOT at question is how many authorities she called to let her know that he was her husband and she would help them in anyway possible. The answer to that is ZERO, which tells me everything that I need to know about her loyalties and sympathies.

Resist We Much on April 29, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Wife was working 80 hours a week. Hard to see how she was as involved as some suggest.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 8:36 PM

There is no proof that she was working 80 hour weeks all the time. She may have gotten 7 12 hour shifts once. Her atty said she worked 80 hours so as to throw suspicion away from her and to garner sympathy of which I have none.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Buy Danish on April 29, 2013 at 8:44 PM

What coulda happened. I’m still very much alive. Thank you. :-)

coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM

This report means nothing. There was DNA of 200 people thrown around during the explosion.

TX-96 on April 29, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Someone else mentioned that it might have been the bomb they threw at the cops Friday night. In fact the lid popped off and the dna maybe from there.

Blake on April 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM

OMG! Female DNA on cookware!!

Ronnie on April 29, 2013 at 9:08 PM

That POS radical babe at Columbia or that POS wife of Bill Ayers need to be checked out.

Also, POS Mom up on Canuckland.

Bruno Strozek on April 29, 2013 at 9:20 PM

“Where was Sarah Palin .. Fauxahontas, Nappy, or Moosechelle .. during the making of these bombs?”
/FTFY
/.

CaveatEmpty on April 29, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Jeffrey Toobin ✔ @JeffreyToobin

This is a big deal

Pretty damning evidence that it’s a red herring, right there.

Buddahpundit on April 29, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Bawney Fwank?

Of course, this would rule out both Incompetano and Hillary as a source.

MrKleenexMuscles on April 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Have we stopped all muslim immigration yet? Why not? If it saves the life of one child, we have to do it.

slickwillie2001 on April 29, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Nicely done. Will have to save this for future use.

DrMagnolias on April 30, 2013 at 4:12 AM

If the female DNA was found on the base of the pressure cooker (which probably didn’t travel very far in the explosion), it could have been (as AP suggested) from a store clerk who sold the pressure cooker to the Tsarnaev brothers, innocently thinking they would use it to steam vegetables.

But beyond Tamerlan’s wife, what about suspicion on his MOTHER? The way she’s been ranting in public about how horrible America did such horrible things to her sweet widdle boys, couldn’t she have had a “hand” in the bombings?

Steve Z on April 30, 2013 at 9:39 AM

the dna could be from anyone who innocently touched any of the components- sales clerks, whom ever packaged any of the parts for sale, anyone who used the cooker for its intended purpose

I do this sort of thing for a living and this was my first thought. The DNA could have come from virtually anywhere and anyone…I don’t read much into this. Having said that, it also could have come from someone involved with the bombing……so it certainly needs to be looked at.

norm1111 on April 30, 2013 at 10:33 AM

As Yoda would say – “many people this could be from”.

budfox on April 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM

*facepalm* That would be “many people this from could be”. You have much learning to do geek padawan.

GWB on April 30, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Some sociopaths might draw the line at fingering mom.

Some might not.

farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 8:04 PM

If Tamerlan didn’t, that would be one possible explanation for how the DNA got there.

Marauder on April 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Slightly off topic, but I’ve not read any reports detailing how the terrorists got to their intended location. Did they drive themselves? Take the bus, subway, cab? Where were they immediately before the bombing? Who were they with?

One of the earliest photos circulated before the manhunt ended clearly shows them both walking between scores of people wearing bulky clothing and carrying back packs. By the time they got to the finish line area, they must have gone by who knows how many police and security personnel. Not a single person thought two individuals carrying obviously stuffed backpacks around a massively attended international event was odd?

RobertE on April 30, 2013 at 4:50 PM