Video: Congressman sobs in testimony during King hearings

posted at 12:15 pm on March 10, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

There is little doubt that Mohammed Salman Hamdani died a hero on 9/11. The Pakistani-born American, just 23 years old, tried rescuing people from the World Trade Center when the buildings collapsed, killing him as well as almost 2800 others in the worst terrorist attack on American soil. Hamdani had planned a life of service to his community, working as a paramedic and then as a cadet for the New York Police Department. His heroic death was significant enough to get an explicit mention in the USA Patriot Act in its condemnation of bigotry against Arabs and Muslims.

Even so, this seems a little, er, over the top:

Rep. Keith Ellison, one of two Muslim members of Congress, broke down in tears while delivering his testimony in defense of the Muslim community during a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing Thursday. …

“His life should not be identified as just a member of an ethnic group or just a member of a religion, but an American who gave everything for his fellow Americans,” he said.

The hearing, officially titled “The extent of radicalization in the American Muslim community and that community’s response,” were initiated by committee chairman New York Republican Rep. Pete King and have been criticized as a “witch hunt” in the days leading up to the meeting. King defended the hearings, saying that “to back down would be a craven surrender to political correctness.”

The problem with describing these as “witch hunts” is that there were no actual witches to be found.  In this case, we’ve not only been repeatedly attacked by radical Islamists from abroad, but also from within as well.  Anwar al-Awlaki has American citizenship, for instance, and has become one of the most dangerous terrorist leaders in the world.  He inspired Major Nidal Hasan’s massacre at Fort Hood, Faisal Shahzad’s attempt to bomb Times Square, just to name two recent plots, and may have had a hand in the Zazi plot as well.

King and others in this hearing have gone out of their way to repeat that they are looking into radical Islam as a major problem in home-grown terrorism.  Even that won’t satisfy Ellison, who seems determined to shout (or sob) down any attempt to talk about the nature of radical Islam and the threat to national security it represents as somehow an attack on all Muslims.  Ruth Marcus isn’t fooled:

To listen to King’s critics, you would think he was urging modern-day internment camps for Muslim Americans. In a letter to King on Monday, more than 50 progressive groups slammed him for “singling out a particular community for examination in what appears to be little more than a political show-trial.” …

At the same time, it is a parody of political correctness to argue that a hearing on domestic terrorism cannot focus solely on the Muslim community to be acceptable.

Neither is Peter Wehner, who rebuts an unusually silly attack by Peter Beinart in his latest column:

Political Islam is a real and lethal phenomenon. Those who are carrying out attacks, like Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the Fort Hood killer, and Faisal Shahzad, who was charged in the attempted bombing in Times Square, are doing so in the name of Islam. The problem therefore inherently defines itself in religious terms, making it qualitatively different from the examples Beinart uses. There is nothing analogous to Islamism in Christianity or Judaism right now. Now you can believe, as I do, that al-Qaeda’s interpretation of Islam is perverted and corrupting — but to deny the role political Islam plays in terrorism is delusional. …

Even Attorney General Eric Holder said in an interview that the alarming rise in the number of Americans who are eager to kill their fellow citizens “is one of the things that keeps me up at night. The threat has changed from simply worrying about foreigners coming here, to worrying about people in the United States, American citizens — raised here, born here, and who for whatever reason, have decided that they are going to become radicalized and take up arms against the nation in which they were born.”

So are we supposed to pretend that terrorist attacks on Americans aren’t rooted in a particular strand of Islam?

And is Congress supposed to ignore the threat that Holder and Janet Napolitano have reported to them simply because it makes Keith Ellison cry?  Let’s not forget that American heroes like Mohammed Salman Hamdani died because we didn’t take the threat of radical Islam abroad more seriously.  Let’s not continue to make the same mistake about radical Islam here at home.


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SIGH – he’s my rep.

On behalf of my entire district – I’m sorry.

gophergirl on March 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

I am watching this hearing on C SPAN 3…

d1carter on March 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

So crocodiles do cry! Who knew.

TampaBayBull on March 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Maybe Rep. King should look into Rep. Ellison’s old friends in The Nation like Calypso Louie.

teke184 on March 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Aw. I laugh.

SouthernGent on March 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM

I’ve seen this before:

Uh, Mr. CHAIRMAN — I would like to verify the witness’s statement. For years now a growing number of my constituents have been of Italian decent — and I have come to know them well. They have honored me with their support and with their friendship. Indeed I can proudly say some of my very best friends are Italian-Americans. However, Mr. CHAIRMAN, at this time very unfortunately I have to leave these proceedings in order to preside over a very important committee of my own committee. But before I leave I do want to say this. These hearings on the Mafia are in no way what-so-ever a slur upon the great Italian people. Because I can state from my own knowledge and experience — that Italian-Americans are among the most loyal — most law-abiding — patriotic, hard working American citizens in this land. And it would be a shame. Mr. CHAIRMAN if we allowed a few rotten apples to bring a bad name to the whole barrel. Because from the time of the great Christopher Columbus up through the time of Enrico Fermi right up to the present day — Italian-Americans have been pioneers in building and defending our great nation. They are the soil o’ the earth and one of the backbones of this country.

Rocks on March 10, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Now you can believe, as I do, that al-Qaeda’s interpretation of Islam is perverted and corrupting

No, al-Qaeda’s interpretation of Islam is 100% correct.

Islam is the problem. There is no “true” Islam that is peaceful and pure. There are peaceful Muslims but there is no peaceful Islam.

Vera on March 10, 2011 at 12:22 PM

These are ideologies (Leftism, Islamism) which have no basis in logic. If they aren’t scheming, skulking, shrieking or crying to achieve their ends they’re not really functioning.

rrpjr on March 10, 2011 at 12:22 PM

It’s their job to look into it.

Queen0fCups on March 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Mohammed Salman Hamdani did die a hero on 9/11 and he should be commended for the ultimate sacrifice.

But I don’t trust Ellison and I wouldn’t be surprised if he practice this speech for a little kabuki theater. G-d knows this speech will played for days on end in the MSM. Well played.

But, how many times does King have to say that is investigation on Radical Islam NOT Islam?

Lance Murdock on March 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM

I sorta do feel for the guy. But good lord I have had my fill of pc bull. Radical Muslims want to kill us in bloody gruesome ways. Being all pc about it is suicidal.

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM

So after all this country has been through at the hands of these evil thugs, THIS is what brings Keith Ellison to tears…

Really?

Pardon me if this display doesn’t impress me one bit.

surrounded on March 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Is this an example of taquiyya?

Queen0fCups on March 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM

asalamalakum Keith Hakim Ellison X …. keep it real my militant brother!

DJ Rick on March 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM

“His life should not be identified as just a member of an ethnic group or just a member of a religion, but an American who gave everything for his fellow Americans,” he said.

So, STFU already!

Dandapani on March 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM

No, al-Qaeda’s interpretation of Islam is 100% correct.

Islam is the problem. There is no “true” Islam that is peaceful and pure. There are peaceful Muslims but there is no peaceful Islam.

Vera on March 10, 2011 at 12:22 PM

This.

Ed, I’m suprised that after all this time, you still need to be educated on what real islam is.

Time to reinvite Robert Spencer back to Hot Air.

Rebar on March 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM

“His life should not be identified as just a member of an ethnic group or just a member of a religion, but an American who gave everything for his fellow Americans,” he said.

So why are *you* bringing him and his good name and deeds into these hearings?

Dandapani on March 10, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Does Mohammed Salman Hamdani heroic actions trump and therefore nullify the actions of the Fort Hood jihadist?

Queen0fCups on March 10, 2011 at 12:26 PM

BUT, BUT, BUT, TIMOTHY MCVEIGH…CHRISTIANS…OKC…
/

catmman on March 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Crocodile tears. By the way, so much for the “strong muslim man” mantra. I wonder if he cried like that on 9/11. Doubtful.

Levinite on March 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Aw. I laugh.

SouthernGent

You find 9/11 funny. What a pig.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

We shouldn’t be investigating the peaceful Muslims,we should be investigating those evil tea party Christians. They’re the real threat, just ask Big Sis….

sandee on March 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Taqiyya!

Levinite on March 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Queen0fCups on March 10, 2011 at 12:26 PM

One of the axioms we had in the military was “100 attaboys doesn’t cover one F-up.”

catmman on March 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Queen0fCups on March 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM

From Ellison, quite likely. I really can understand getting teary talking about a hero but Ellison is known by the company he keeps and remembering this makes this performance nothing but a performance.

ORconservative on March 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Let’s not forget that American heroes like Mohammed Salman Hamdani died because we didn’t take the threat of radical Islam abroad more seriously. Let’s not continue to make the same mistake about radical Islam here at home.

This…..
Crocodile tears…..

sicoit on March 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM

You find 9/11 funny. What a pig.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Your condescension is superseded only by your ignorance.

fossten on March 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Maybe if Muslims embraced everyone as their brother, not just Muslims, even treating non-Muslims as less than, the “Other”, then there wouldn’t be so many crazy jihadists running around killing infidels.

The week after 9/11, they interviewed a Muslim on the streets of Manhattan:

Reporter: What’s your take on 9/11 ?
Muslim: Those people who flew the planes into those buildings, they were crazy!
Reporter: Would you elaborate?
Muslim: Well, there might have been Muslims in those buildings!

Yeah. That’s what I would expect. Muslim first, last, and always. Americans, “also ran”. An afterthought.

Paul-Cincy on March 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Keith Ellison is not a serious person and should be shunned and ignored.

Mason on March 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Grow Fins

Is this guy a useful idiot or quisling? I can’t make up my mind.

Levinite on March 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

So after all this country has been through at the hands of these evil thugs, THIS is what brings Keith Ellison to tears…
Really?

Do you know he’s never cried before?

YYZ on March 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Interesting stat from Power Line this morning:

The Department of Justice has tracked convictions resulting from international terrorism investigations conducted since September 11, 2001. It has compiled a chart of convictions that is included in this document. (hyperlink at Power Line)

In light of Rep. Peter King’s hearings on the threat posed by radicalized Islam in the United States, the chart is an extremely interesting documents. The folks at the Investigative Project on Terrorism have analyzed it, finding that Islamists are prominently featured, with more than 80 percent of all convictions tied to international terrorist groups and homegrown terrorism since 9/11 involving defendants driven by a radical Islamist agenda.

“Though Muslims represent about 1 percent of the American population,” the IPT notes, “they constitute defendants in 186 of the 228 cases DoJ lists.” Thirty of the terror cases listed, or about 13 percent, involve homegrown Islamist terrorists.

The DoJ compilation includes convictions into March 2010; the IPT article cites a number of prosecutions for Islamist related terrorist activity since then.

Stats don’t lie.

Del Dolemonte on March 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

No, al-Qaeda’s interpretation of Islam is 100% correct.

Islam is the problem. There is no “true” Islam that is peaceful and pure. There are peaceful Muslims but there is no peaceful Islam.

Vera on March 10, 2011 at 12:22 PM

POST OF THE DAY!!!

SouthernGent on March 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

You find 9/11 funny. What a pig.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Why does Grow Fins hate pigs?

Interesting…

catmman on March 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Muslim american…

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Says it best.
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RalphyBoy on March 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

You find 9/11 funny. What a pig.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

You thought so.

MadDogF on March 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

What is with the crying lately?

First the Miami Heat, now Congressman?

Pu$$ies.

portlandon on March 10, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Looks like taqmells like taq

Christien on March 10, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Is this guy a useful idiot or quisling? I can’t make up my mind.

Levinite on March 10, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Yes.

catmman on March 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

I sorta do feel for the guy. But good lord I have had my fill of pc bull. Radical Muslims want to kill us in bloody gruesome ways. Being all pc about it is suicidal.

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Ditto. I mean, if Catholics were suspect of the same thing radical Islamists are today, I’d be the first in line to be investigated, and have my name cleared.

JetBoy on March 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Until I see him sob for our soldiers and our good citizens killed by his friends, I will continue to think he is part of the problem. Vote this anti-USA creep out of office. He has a slot in the Black Panthers waiting for hom. Erik Holder can show him where to go, and how to fill out the mebership application. Get these racists out of government. Allen West for president.

frizzbee on March 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Looks like taq, smells like taq.

Christien on March 10, 2011 at 12:32 PM

fixed

Christien on March 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM

Domestic terrorist plots since 9/11:

Radical Islamist: 45.
Anti-Government/Anti-Tax Extremists: 36.
KKK/NeoNazi/White Supremacist: 27.
Unknown/Miscellaneous: 5.
Christian Extremists/Anti-Abortion: 3.
Black Supremacist Cults: 2.
Jewish Extremists: 2.
Extreme Anti-Immigrant: There were two plots by anti-immigrant extremists: 2.
Anti-Jewish: 1
Anarchist: 1

Islamist: 45 v non-Islamist: 80.

Witch hunt is right, and coming from the Terrorist-IRA sympathizer King, it’s disgusting.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Zuhdi Jasser has been very impressive…

d1carter on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

On behalf of my entire district – I’m sorry.

gophergirl on March 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

He’s mine too. Some one should ask him if any of the Americans over doing the Jihad dance in Somalia voted for him.

BigWyo on March 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Boo hoo hoo !! Maybe most muslims are not terrorists, but you’d better believe most terrorists are muslims !! Because they are !!!!!!

LODGE4 on March 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Witch hunt is right, and coming from the Terrorist-IRA sympathizer King, it’s disgusting.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Holder and Napolitano as well?

JetBoy on March 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Islamic supremacists kill other Muslims as well as the infidel. We all know that already. It’s all the more reason to actually address the problem honestly and do something about it Mr. Ellison.

forest on March 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Why not just read the Holy Qur’an into the record…?

Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam …

Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.

~Omar Ahmad
Co-Founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

Rebar on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Is this an example of taquiyya?

Queen0fCups on March 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Yes.

the_nile on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Please do not forget Pvt William Long, who was killed outside an Arkansas recruiting station by an American who had recently returned from Yemen. Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad.

Via LaShawn Barber, here are the statements President Obama made on Long’s murder and Tiller’s murder, which happened just a few days apart:

“I am deeply saddened by this senseless act of violence against two brave young soldiers who were doing their part to strengthen our armed forces and keep our country safe. I would like to wish Quinton Ezeagwula a speedy recovery, and to offer my condolences and prayers to William Long’s family as they mourn the loss of their son.” (Source)

Obama’s statement about Tiller:

“I am shocked and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller as he attended church services this morning. However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.”

Keep in mind the statement about Long was released only to the papers in Arkansas.

With Tiller, Obama does not mind mentioning church (Tiller was a church going Christian!) and the divisive issue (abortion).

People did want answers as to what made Muhammad become radicalized and how the FBI missed it.
Asking for answers were his OWN FATHER and Sen Frank Lautenberg (D).

Here is a link- from the NYTimes! about this case that gives a very good reason why King should be holding this hearing, even though the article is a year old.

MayBee on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Your stats prove that Islam is the largest terrorist threat we face.

fossten on March 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM

You find 9/11 funny. What a pig.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

You run around here with balls of $hit in your mouth and you think you have any standing to criticize? Maybe with swine, but no human respects you.

csdeven on March 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Islamic supremacists kill other Muslims as well as the infidel. We all know that already. It’s all the more reason to actually address the problem honestly and do something about it Mr. Ellison.

forest on March 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM

That’s just it. Islamists murdered Hamdani. Ellison should look to the core of the problem.

JetBoy on March 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:27 PM

Why do you hate 3000 dead people?

And why are you such a coward that you ran away from the questions you were being asked in the Wisconsin thread?

:-D

Mary in LA on March 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Islamist: 45 v non-Islamist: 80.

Witch hunt is right, and coming from the Terrorist-IRA sympathizer King, it’s disgusting.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

BS post your source…and lets see the details…no doubt a left-wing wacko site.

right4life on March 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM

I didn’t even watch the vid, but eeyore smells Clinton Emerges From Ron Brown Funeral Syndrome.

eeyore on March 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Umm….the stats you posted reiterate the point about Islam being the largest domestic threat.

Wow!!

withmanitisimpossible on March 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Let’s not forget that American heroes like Mohammed Salman Hamdani died because we didn’t take the threat of radical Islam abroad more seriously.

Exactly. And decent Muslims like Mr. Hamdani (may he rest in peace) should be just as eager as the rest of us to hold these hearings and try to discern what factors are contributing to the radicalization of some U.S. Muslims.

The radicalization is happening, and innocent Americans have already died because of it. If peaceful American Muslims want to stop it — and I have no doubt that many of them do — then they should be encouraging and participating in these hearings, rather than disparaging them and trying to stop them.

AZCoyote on March 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM

BS post your source…and lets see the details…no doubt a left-wing wacko site.

right4life on March 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM

No no no…you don’t have to attack his source.

Just look at his stats.

He’s trying to twist the stats into ‘Islam vs. the Field’.

But he’s proving our point.

Islam is a far worse threat than any of the others in the list.

fossten on March 10, 2011 at 12:41 PM

Dem Congresswoman from CA doesn’t think the witnesses are “experts”…Jasser Zhudi thinks she is wrong…

d1carter on March 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

I am sorry. I just don’t buy it.

Fred Phelps and his group calls themselves Christian. Virtually no other Christian group agrees with them. However, the Supreme Court has decided that they have a right to say what they want as a matter of protected free speech. Even at military funerals for people who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. Sure they make Christians look bad, but that is not the point. Christians will stand by and let them say what they want.

HOWEVER, should those miserable bags of scum-sucking cretins who call themselves Christian harm one hair on one head of one innocent funeral goer do you not suppose that the rest of the Christian community would be after them to be investigated. Investigate the snot out of them! Put ‘em all in jail. We can’t let them do that in the name of Christianity. It would never occur to the other Christians that an attack on those scumbags was an attack on Christianity.

Lily on March 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Isn’t this the same guy that hijacked someone else’s news conference and then insisted he would only take certain questions from the members of the media?

He was talking about the “spooky” eye on a poster or something?

He seemed pretty melodramatic in all of that footage as well, if it’s the same guy.

ButterflyDragon on March 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

d1carter on March 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Zhudi Jasser….sorry.

d1carter on March 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

But, how many times does King have to say that is investigation on Radical Islam NOT Islam?

Lance Murdock on March 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM

King has stated that there is some sort of difference between radical Islam and … regular (?) … Islam but he has not defined this difference or stated what the criteria are for distinguishing between the two. Without out a stated means of distinguishing between the two it invites (begs?) people to think that this is a free roaming fishing expidition to target and spotlight whatever he personally doesn’t care for. Especially given that he squished and dodged on I.R.A. terrorism. Sloppy. Really sloppy.

For people that believe that there is no difference between the two and that all Moslems are terrorist jihadis waiting to blossom this may not be a problem – for the rest of the world it’s a bit suspect.

dieudonne on March 10, 2011 at 12:43 PM

don’t forget the DC sniper case…which of course wasn’t terrorism…the shooter was John MUHAMMED wasn’t he? and a few years ago that egyptian who shot up an el-al ticket counter…

Egyptian’s motives in LAX shooting still a mystery
July 6, 2002 Posted: 4:50 PM EDT (2050 GMT)

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) — Investigators Saturday methodically sifted through what they could of the life of Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, searching for a motive behind the Egyptian national’s deadly attack Thursday at Israel’s El Al airlines ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport.

uh huh…

right4life on March 10, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Now that we know that Islam has the most attacks on us of any threat out there…do you have a body count stat, which shows which threat does the most damage? Hmm?

fossten on March 10, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Wow, the Zhudi Jasser is really knocking it out of the park. That California congresswoman should check her makeup, because she just got faced.

albo on March 10, 2011 at 12:43 PM

Islamist: 45 v non-Islamist: 80.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Did you see Radical Islam on top of the list? It’s there for a reason. Anyway, cute stuff adding up the numbers of the other groupings to make a point. But no go.

RepubChica on March 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Boo figgin hoo. 122 domestic arrests were made in 2010 (year of Hussein) for conspiracy to commit terrorism against the US. Who wants to take a guess as to the one common thread that linked them all? Anyone…Bueller?

Alden Pyle on March 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM

withmanitisimpossible on March 10, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Would also like to see a breakdown of victims by category. I’m spitballin, but I’d be willing to bet ‘Radical Islamists’ also comes in first in that category as well.

catmman on March 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Islam is a far worse threat than any of the others in the list.

fossten on March 10, 2011 at 12:41 PM

true, but I think a lot of the others on that list are mischaracterized…like Loughner in AZ…he was of course a tea partier…talk radio listener…

its like the SPLC classifies groups like the family research council hate groups because they disagree with the gay agenda…

right4life on March 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Domestic terrorist plots since 9/11:

Radical Islamist: 45.
Anti-Government/Anti-Tax Extremists: 36.
KKK/NeoNazi/White Supremacist: 27.
Unknown/Miscellaneous: 5.
Christian Extremists/Anti-Abortion: 3.
Black Supremacist Cults: 2.
Jewish Extremists: 2.
Extreme Anti-Immigrant: There were two plots by anti-immigrant extremists: 2.
Anti-Jewish: 1
Anarchist: 1

Islamist: 45 v non-Islamist: 80.

Witch hunt is right, and coming from the Terrorist-IRA sympathizer King, it’s disgusting.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

OK. So, when we here about all the attacks by Conservatives/Tea Partiers on all the poor illegals then that is BS?

mrsmwp on March 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Ellison is not a congressman. He’s an agent provacateur for Muslims. His entire campaign was orchestrated by CAIR, which is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.

fleiter on March 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

do you have a body count stat, which shows which threat does the most damage? Hmm?

fossten on March 10, 2011 at 12:43 PM

You mean, like this one?

Rebar on March 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Awww, did wittle Keith cry when Kathleen Soliah was hauled off to prison. Did our baby Keith cry with Shariff Willis was hauled off to prison? Did wittle baby Keith cry when Minneapolis Jerry Haaf’s killer went to prison?

Everything I need to know about today’s leftist can gleemed from the kind of garbage they elect, to represent them.

MNHawk on March 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Back in 2004 King said that “85 percent of the mosques have extremist leadership in this country.”
The Washington Times, August 10, 2004 Tuesday, By John McCaslin

On 24 January of this year, King clarified where he got this statistic:

“The only real testimony we have on it was actually from Sheikh Kabbani, who was a Muslim leader during the Clinton Administration, he testified, this is back in 1999 and 2000, before the State Department that he thought over 80 percent of the mosques in this country are controlled by radical Imams. Certainly from what I’ve seen and dealings I’ve had, that number seems accurate.”

Sheikh Kabbani explained in an interview immediately after the 1999 State Department hearing what he meant by “extremist”:

“Most extremists are not violent. . . . Extremism in the Arabic language is a linguistic term that means deviating from the moderate line. You are driving on a road, a very narrow road: You have on the one side the valley, on the other side, the mountain. If you go on either side, you are in danger. You will either fall in the valley or hit the mountain.”
San Jose Mercury News (California)
May 1, 1999 Saturday MORNING FINAL EDITION
PROVOCATIVE MODERATE: A CONVERSATION WITH SHAYKH HISHAM KABBANI ISLAMIC LEADER DISCUSSES HOW HE BECAME EMBROILED IN CONTROVERSY WHILE SEEKING TO WARN MUSLIMS AGAINST ‘HIDDEN AGENDAS’
BYLINE: RICHARD SCHEININ, MERCURY NEWS RELIGION AND ETHICS WRITER
SECTION: RELIGION & ETHICS; Pg. 1E

When Kabbani says “extremist”, he is not talking about violent. Whatever.

Two weeks later, Kabbani made this revelation:

“Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America, said that bin Laden ‘has used two tons of opium and $ 30 million to purchase over 20 nuclear warheads.’ Kabbani said bin Laden also ‘had hired an international team of rogue nuclear scientists working in a secret underground base to convert warheads stolen from former Soviet republics into miniature portable nuclear devices capable of striking targets around the globe.’”
Florida Times-Union (Jacksonville, FL)
January 24, 1999 Sunday, City Edition
More counter-terrorism funds urged Clinton fears bin Laden, others growing bolder
BYLINE: Knight-Tribune News Service

Kabbani is a nutbag. This is who King relies on for his facts. King is also a nutbag. Shouldn’t King instead be holding hearings about what we should do about the 20 nuclear weapons that Bin Laden has?

dave742 on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

The question of “why are these Muslims becoming radical” is very simple to answer: Islam is radical.

Peaceful Muslims most likely do not understand the true nature of their faith. They believe the claptrap that it’s “the religion of peace” and go along with things under that understanding. When they’re told the truth about what exactly they are asked to do under Islam, they must either leave their faith or “radicalize.”

It can be very dangerous for a Muslim to leave Islam.

If we want to stop radicalization, we need to help make leaving Islam safer for Muslims. The first step to doing this is to realize that Islam itself is the problem. We have to get our heads out of the sand. Saying “Islam is peaceful” 3 times a day isn’t going to make it so.

Vera on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Is this an example of taquiyya?

Queen0fCups on March 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM

I think you’ve misunderstood the concept of Taquiyya. Taquiyya is not merely lying – it’s concealing your faith to escape persecution, suppression, oppression, etc. Christianity had a early crisis about just this thing when they faced persecution. The question arose as to whether or not Christians who said that they were not Christians to avoid torture and murder should be admitted back into communion or whether they had sinned against the Holy Spirit by denying it. Islam codified it’s position by saying that you could conceal your Moslem status to avoid unjust persecution. It’s not a blanket permission slip to lie.

dieudonne on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

While Ellison is being naive at best, I have no respect for King. For someone who backed funding for IRA killers to hold these hearings is the worst possible way to proceed on this issue. No matter what important information comest to light about Islamoterrorists in this process, King leading the charge goes beyond hypocrisy.

doufree on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Why not just read the Holy Qur’an into the record…?

Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

My thoughts exactly. You can’t change what’s in there. When will the moderate muslims be asked to defend the text of their holy book?

New Patriot on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Zhudi Jasser quoted statistics that are much different from what is being quoted here…

d1carter on March 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Witch hunt is right, and coming from the Terrorist-IRA sympathizer King, it’s disgusting.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

I’ll let Scott from Power Line send you back under the bridge where you belong.

King’s past support of the IRA is not to his credit. But it is of no relevance except as a political talking point to attack King’s hearings. “The fact is,” King himself told the Times, “the IRA never attacked the United States. And my loyalty is to the United States.” Is this a difficult point?

Del Dolemonte on March 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Witch hunt is right, and coming from the Terrorist-IRA sympathizer King, it’s disgusting.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Like I said. Trash representing trash.

MNHawk on March 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Maybe Ellison should have had Farrakhan standing behind him playing his violin for the proper effect.

pilamaye on March 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Islamist: 45 v non-Islamist: 80.

Witch hunt is right, and coming from the Terrorist-IRA sympathizer King, it’s disgusting.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:34 PM

And you are getting these numbers from where?
Just as a guess, you are folding a lot of non-terror related events into that.

Count to 10 on March 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

You can throw all the number of incidents from whatever source you’d like. This struggle operates on a much more vast plane: civilization. It is a struggle between Western liberal ideals, and throwback Islamic traditionalism. The struggle is now being seen in Europe, with cultural tensions, etc.

blatantblue on March 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

While Ellison is being naive at best, I have no respect for King. For someone who backed funding for IRA killers to hold these hearings is the worst possible way to proceed on this issue. No matter what important information comest to light about Islamoterrorists in this process, King leading the charge goes beyond hypocrisy.

doufree on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

See my 12:47 PM post.

Del Dolemonte on March 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM

It seems people like Ellison are trying to work fellow Muslims int a frenzy.

Ampersand on March 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM

And my loyalty is to the United States.” Is this a difficult point?

To today’s leftist piece of garbage, who’s loyalties always lie elsewhere, yes it is.

MNHawk on March 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Islam codified it’s position by saying that you could conceal your Moslem status to avoid unjust persecution. It’s not a blanket permission slip to lie.

dieudonne on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

Yet many Muslims use it as such, so what’s the difference?

Count to 10 on March 10, 2011 at 12:49 PM

If you remember, every move that George Bush made was a giant terrorist recruitment provocation, Islamic terrorists were being recruited left and right, but now…there is no recruitment. How things change. And you need extra security every time you even talk about Muslims…but there’s no recruitment going on.

RBMN on March 10, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Shouldn’t King instead be holding hearings about what we should do about the 20 nuclear weapons that Bin Laden has?

dave742 on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

False dichotomy. We can, and should, do both.

Mary in LA on March 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM

The question arose as to whether or not Christians who said that they were not Christians to avoid torture and murder should be admitted back into communion or whether they had sinned against the Holy Spirit by denying itHim.

dieudonne on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

fify

right4life on March 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM

This is who King relies on for his facts.

Not as of today. Today he is holding a hearing so people can present facts in public.

MayBee on March 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM

King’s past support of the IRA is not to his credit. But it is of no relevance except as a political talking point to attack King’s hearings. “The fact is,” King himself told the Times, “the IRA never attacked the United States. And my loyalty is to the United States.” Is this a difficult point?
Del Dolemonte on March 10, 2011 at 12:47 PM

And yet Americans had been killed and injured in I.R.A. attacks – the Harrod’s Christmas bombing comes to mind. Besides – is that lame ass “they haven’t attacked the U.S.” any sort of real cover for supporting people that plant bombs in busy shops at Christams?

dieudonne on March 10, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Here are the Power Line links to the DOJ stats

http://www.justice.gov/cjs/docs/terrorism-convictions-statistics.pdf

http://www.justice.gov/cjs/docs/terrorism-convictions-statistics.html

And an analysis of same

http://www.investigativeproject.org/2659/islamists-dominate-doj-list-of-terror-prosecutions

And as Scott at Power Line notes:

In his USA Today column, Rep. King cites the testimony of Eric Holder on recent terrorism indictments: “126 people have been indicted on terrorist-related charges in the past two years, including 50 U.S. citizens. The great majority of those charged are violent jihadists.”

Del Dolemonte on March 10, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Boo hoo hoo !! Maybe most muslims are not terrorists, but you’d better believe most terrorists are muslims !! Because they are !!!!!! -LODGE4 on March 10, 2011 at 12:35 PM

The FBI has a list of all terrorist attacks on US soil from 1980 to 2005 (at the bottom of this page). 6% of these attacks were committed by Muslim groups. By comparison, 7% were committed by Jewish groups. When is the hearing on Jewish extremism in the US?

dave742 on March 10, 2011 at 12:51 PM

The idiocy of the Left on this issue is cataclysmic. Read bin laden’s own writings. The people he hates most are secular liberals, not Christian conservatives. Read Oriana Fallaci’s work interviewing Islamic extremists. Same conclusions. The Islamics despise liberal western culture, liberal values, secular liberal culture, liberal education, libertine sexuality, homosexuality, etc. Women’s rights, gay rights, free speech — the very premise of the worth of a human life — and even animal rights are not only without meaning to the Islamicist but antithetical to its sense of ideological monolith at all costs. This is an international hegemonic movement openly committed to the destruction of every value a liberal claims to hold dear. But Leftists, in their infinite infantilism, are romantically drawn to any anti-American or anti-Western movement with glorious eliminationist overtones, clueless to the fact they’d be the first eliminated.

rrpjr on March 10, 2011 at 12:53 PM

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