Walker offers compromise, fleebaggers walk away

posted at 10:45 am on March 9, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The Wisconsin Fleebaggers keep saying that all they want is for Governor Scott Walker to come to the table and negotiate on his budget-repair bill, and they’ll end their hostaging of Wisconsin government.  However, new e-mails released by Walker’s office show that the governor has negotiated on key aspects of his union reforms, perhaps to an extent that might make his supporter nervous:

Gov. Scott Walker’s office released documents Tuesday showing he’s willing to give on some points of his union bargaining bill to break the Capitol standoff and bring Senate Democrats back from Illinois.

The e-mails showed ideas and counteroffers – panned Tuesday by state labor leaders and some Democrats – that were made by the Republican governor’s aides and two Democrats as they sought some resolution that would allow Democrats to come back to Wisconsin. Senate Democrats have been holed up in Illinois since Feb. 17, when they left the state to block a vote on Walker’s budget-repair bill.

This directly refutes the notion pushed by the state Senators who fled the state that Walker has unilaterally refused to bargain with them.  In fact, here are the specific proposals offered by Walker as a compromise:

• Public employee union bargaining over wages would no longer be limited to the rate of inflation.

• Unions would be allowed to bargain over certain economic issues, including mandatory overtime, performance bonuses, hazardous duty pay and classroom size. On this set of issues, both labor and management would have to agree to discuss them for bargaining to happen.

• Unions could bargain over workplace safety, but that would be limited to workers’ physical health and safety. It would not allow bargaining over hours, overtime, sick leave or family leave, work schedules or vacation.

• Unions would have to vote every three years to remain active, with the first of those votes coming within one year of the bill becoming law. The current version of the bill would require unions to vote to recertify every year – starting this April – and require them to get at least 51% of workers’ votes.

• Employees of the University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics Authority would not lose all union bargaining rights.

• The Legislature’s budget committee would have to approve changes to state health programs for the poor sought by the Walker administration. The budget-repair bill gives Walker broad powers to reshape those Medicaid health programs, which cover more than 1 million state residents.

So what’s left?  The open-shop rules that make dues payments voluntary, and the end of collective bargaining over pension and benefits.  The former would have the effect of cutting off much of the union revenue that gets redirected into political donations to Democrats, and the latter would put an end to the WEA Trust near-monopoly that strangles state and local budgets.  The Fleebaggers apparently value those more than representative democracy.

After the release of the e-mails, which came after the Journal-Sentinel filed an open-records request, one Fleebagger expressed disappointment:

[Tim] Cullen characterized the talks as “discussions” rather than negotiations, because he and Jauch weren’t speaking on behalf of other Democrats, and said he was disappointed the details on them were sent out in a news release.

“I’ve never seen negotiations be done successfully in public,” he said. “I thought they were bargaining in good faith.”

Apparently Walker and Republicans were bargaining in good faith, while the Fleebaggers demanded total victory or nothing at all despite being in the minority.  I’ll bet they’re disappointed with the release, because it exposes their absolutism and their refusal to abide by the results of an election.


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I’m starting to think Walker is building a case for going nuclear and splitting the PEU collective bargaining reforms into a separate bill that doesn’t need a 2/3 quorum. He’s just crossing his t’s and dotting his i’s.

Caiwyn on March 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Walker blinked and now the union thugs and their political enablers are even more emboldened. Wake up Republicans and get your heads out of your backsides . . . you blow it every time.

rplat on March 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Just imagine if the ‘Pubs did this!

They know they’re gonna lose the vote, so, like in a Monty Python movie, they “RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!”

Tony737 on March 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Democracy Held Hostage – Day 20.

John Deaux on March 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM

I don’t like Walker caving at all, but at least he’s holding firm on the elimination of collective bargaining over benefits as well as ending forced union dues. And let’s face it. Those are the parts of the bill that will break the unions which is why the fleebaggers will never be allowed to accept any compromise which includes them.

Doughboy on March 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM

I’ll bet they’re disappointed with the release, because it exposes their absolutism and their refusal to abide by the results of an election.

“Hope” they chock on it.

heshtesh on March 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM

So what’s left? The open-shop rules that make dues payments voluntary, and the end of collective bargaining over pension and benefits.

Those are the only two things that matter to the Fleebaggers – especially the first one.

The mandatory collections of dues that then end up funding 20% of the Democrats’ campaign costs is what matters. This is not about anybody’s “rights” except the rights of employees to not automatically fund politicians they might not even support.

forest on March 9, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Caiwyn on March 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM

I hope you’re right.

SouthernGent on March 9, 2011 at 10:51 AM

This wont get the same coverage in the MSM as the lardasses taking over the statehouse in Madison.

darwin-t on March 9, 2011 at 10:51 AM


… they sought some resolution that would allow Democrats to come back to Wisconsin.

ALLOW???

Tony737 on March 9, 2011 at 10:51 AM

More than anything, I think this exposes the two things that the Dems and the unions really want… no recertification votes every year or so and no rule change preventing them from taking dues directly out of paychecks.

Everything else is just window-dressing to them.

teke184 on March 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Fleebaggers demanded total victory or nothing at all despite being in the minority.

Well, that’s the whole point, isn’t it? Liberals believe that if a Supreme Court ruling doesn’t go their way, it must be invalidated, and if an election doesn’t go their way, they must override the will of the voters. They don’t believe in democracy or the rule of law, only in getting their way, no matter what it takes.

Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM

I wonder if this is what the Journal-Sentinel was expecting when they filed the FOI (as opposed to expecting a hard-line Scott Walker crushing the compromise offers of the Democratic senators). It doesn’t really help the union’s cause, though it does bolster the status of those Wisconsin Dem senators in safe seats, where preening about absolute victory while in the minority won’t hurt them with their constituents.

jon1979 on March 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Democrats are cowards.
If democrats are in charge they do everything they can do subvert America. If democrats are in the minority they do everything they can to subvert America.

GardenGnome on March 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM

“I’ve never seen negotiations be done successfully in public,” he said. “I thought they were bargaining in good faith.”

The private negotiating table is in Madison,Wisconsin asshat

TheVer on March 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM

“I’ve never seen negotiations be done successfully in public,” he said. “I thought they were bargaining in good faith.”

….I suppose the irony of complaining about “good faith negotiations”coming from democrats that have fled the state to obstruct the democratic process are lost on this tool….

Baxter Greene on March 9, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Awww! the poor Dems and unions have shown how insatiable and corrupt they are and it’s all Walkers fault. I feel so sorry for them. Just goes to show how tough it is out there for a pimp.

hboulware on March 9, 2011 at 10:53 AM

“I’ve never seen negotiations be done successfully in public,” he said. “I thought they were bargaining in good faith.”

So only bargaining in secret displays “good faith”? Winning The Future?!??!?!

Rocks on March 9, 2011 at 10:53 AM

I’ll bet they’re disappointed with the release, because it exposes their absolutism and their refusal to abide by the results of an election they’ll have to wait another week or so to get Walker to accept their position.

Fixed it for you, Ed.

Amazing how a few states are beginning to reduce union control over public employees without fuss or fanfare and Walker, who started out talking big while soaking up the publicity, can’t seem to do what needs to be done.

Pawlenty/Walker ’12?

MrScribbler on March 9, 2011 at 10:53 AM

They’re doing the same thing here in Indiana, our Gov caved on like the 2nd day and they’re still hiding in Illinois holding out now for all kinds of skittles & unicorns…

You give these pukes an inch…..and they take a mile.

Tim Zank on March 9, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Man, they can’t even blame it on a “Republican sting operation by discredited videographer James O’Keefe.”

Lily on March 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

If you say you want compromise and the other side shows it is willing to talk, you then come back and talk.

When you don’t then it is known you will not compromise on anything and you are the obstacle, not the people you are complaining about.

It is time to put through the entire decertification of the PEU system in WI. The Fleebaggers want no compromise: they want their way ONLY. If they wish to play that game, then do play it. Hard.

ajacksonian on March 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Leaves me with mixed feelings. On one hand, I really didn’t want to see Governor Walker soften at all, even though that was probably never a realistic expectation. On the other hand, this should now work to his benefit by exposing the intransigence of the Dems.

If, in fact, the offers were rendered as a high-stakes bet on the Dems being unwilling to deal (i.e. assuming that they wouldn’t/couldn’t agree to them), then Walker wins, and you can color me impressed with his mad tactical skills.

bofh on March 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Why can’t they use the 19 Republican State Senate votes–a majority–to change the rule that 20 members is the quorum for financial bills?

Emperor Norton on March 9, 2011 at 10:56 AM

NO more compromise. You have all the weapons, Walker. Starve those basterds out.

carbon_footprint on March 9, 2011 at 10:57 AM

I’m shocked that liberals consider compromise and bargaining as synonymous with total compitulation to what they want.

gwelf on March 9, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Thank you Mr. Morrissey, I saw these last night and I thought it made the Dems look like bigger a$$es but figured I was missing something. This whole flight has been a farce and I wonder if the people of Wisconsin will ever know it.

Cindy Munford on March 9, 2011 at 10:58 AM

The Madison newspapers were ‘suing’ to get access to Walker’s e-mails based on his (correct) claims of voices of support from across the state.

The Wisconsin State Urinal, err Journal (Madison paper), had an article on Walker’s tenacity as County Executive, with friend and foe alike acknowledging he will not back down on fundamental principles. Of course in classic madison media style the author weighed heavily on Walker’s being a steadfast Christian as an explanation.
 
Collective bargaining and public employee unions represent just another failed set of policies now ripe for the dustbin of leftist history.

ignatzk on March 9, 2011 at 10:58 AM

The public will have see the governor offering an olive branch to the fleebaggers.

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2011 at 11:00 AM

[Tim] Cullen characterized the talks as “discussions” rather than negotiations, because he and Jauch weren’t speaking on behalf of other Democrats, and said he was disappointed the details on them were sent out in a news release.
“I’ve never seen negotiations be done successfully in public,” he said. “I thought they were bargaining in good faith.”

So, he is upset that a newspaper filed a FOI request, that was granted – of which it exposed their ridiculous “non negotiating” , yet he is blaming Wlakers office for releasing said emails – becuase “negotiations in public arent good”…

We are long past the point of absurd.

Yet – it is spun by the MSM – as a bad, bad man in Walker who refuses to negotiate, while he is negotiating – with a group of devout Dems who apparently want justice, as they sit outside of the state to avoid a quorum…

Once again – guess what party is running with the dialogue – and now guess what party is scrambling to patrionize said dialogue, truth and facts be damned…

Odie1941 on March 9, 2011 at 11:02 AM

Reach across the aisle, draw back a bloody stump. They never learn.

sandspur on March 9, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Walker needs to stand his ground and do the right thing. He knows what is right for the country and he needs to listen to his own instincts to ‘Get the job done’! I am disapointed Walker is attempting to negotiate via email. He is diluting the legitimate process already set in place by the Wisconson constitution and needs to adhere to it! These fleebaggers are in contempt so there it is. By scurring out of state they have relinquished the ability to participate in the democratic process.

sonnyspats1 on March 9, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Apparently Walker and Republicans were bargaining in good faith, while the Fleebaggers demanded total victory or nothing at all despite being in the minority. I’ll bet they’re disappointed with the release, because it exposes their absolutism and their refusal to abide by the results of an election.

….The democrats have to take an “all or nothing” position because what is going on in Wisconsin has national implications.The fleebaggers will be crucified by the left is they capitulate in any manner.
That is why Walker and the other Republican leadership have made a mistake by allowing this to go on so long.
They could have grabbed one of these Senators weeks ago and should have.The press has helped build such a sympathetic narrative for these political cowards that they feel safe enough to complain publicly about “legitimate negotiations” while sitting in their Illinois hotel rooms.
Enough with these liberal stalling tactics….
…..it is time to use any means necessary.

Baxter Greene on March 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM

His compromise proposal show that he thinks he has a weak position here.

So of course the Socialists are going to grind this into his face.

You don’t compromise with Socialists – ask George H.W. Bush about that.

HondaV65 on March 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Apparently Walker and Republicans were bargaining in good faith, while the Fleebaggers demanded total victory or nothing at all despite being in the minority. I’ll bet they’re disappointed with the release, because it exposes their absolutism and their refusal to abide by the results of an election.

Well, that would be true, if the media got it out there and the people actually pay attention to it. They really haven’t been paying attention to the message so far, thus Walker’s poll numbers in decline.

That being said, these Democrats and there crybaby tactics MUST affect them negatively as this act of there’s thumbs it’s collective NOSE at the definition of a democracy. Get your A$$es up there and debate your side and take part, you embarrassments.

Sponge on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

I’m starting to think Walker is building a case for going nuclear and splitting the PEU collective bargaining reforms into a separate bill that doesn’t need a 2/3 quorum. He’s just crossing his t’s and dotting his i’s.

Caiwyn on March 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM

I keep worrying that maybe he doesn’t have the votes for the separate PEU CB reforms. You would think that if it was a lock they would have done this already.

mrsmwp on March 9, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Out of the total workforce in WI, including farm payrolls, how many “working people” belong to unions and how many don’t?

Wethal on March 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM

Walker needs to stand his ground and do the right thing. He knows what is right for the country and he needs to listen to his own instincts to ‘Get the job done’! I am disapointed Walker is attempting to negotiate via email. He is diluting the legitimate process already set in place by the Wisconson constitution and needs to adhere to it! These fleebaggers are in contempt so there it is. By scurring out of state they have relinquished the ability to participate in the democratic process.

sonnyspats1 on March 9, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Agree 100%

It should be all or nothing, with Walker holding the cards.

IF Dems communicate by email – they are effectively doing their jobs and a quorum can/should be met. I also believe video conferencing has been used. Tech today doesnt need a legislator to be “within the state” anymore – its not a horse and buggy trip to the border.

Or Walker can stand firm and flat out say – and hold to “These Dems have fled their elected duty. In order to effectively negotiate – we must have them in chambers, per the bylines and state Constitution. They took an oath to uphold these rules, as did I and the 19 WI Republicans who show up to work, even in the face of assault – to do our elected duty.” He shouldnt communicate in any way, shape or form while they are out of the state. Zero, Zip, Nada.

Of course the slugs in the MSM would attempt to run with a differnt narrative – but standing on the law and principles would eventually trump the pandering stupidity and cover thorugh “emails, video confernecing, bs” After al lthe finger pointing was done – it would be very clear “Dems have run out on their jobs”

he most important point of any negotiating isn’t leverage. Its wielding what leverage you have effectively.

Odie1941 on March 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM

Man, they can’t even blame it on a “Republican sting operation by discredited videographer James O’Keefe.”

Lily on March 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

I think it is time James O’Keefe rent himself a room at
their hotel in Illinois and spend some time at the hotel
bar. Bet he could get some good liberal conversation “on the record”.

Amjean on March 9, 2011 at 11:12 AM

Walker is blinking and will soon buckle. You can set your clock by it.

rrpjr on March 9, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations Democrats did.

FIFY.

Emperor Norton on March 9, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

I think you are using the 1956 liberal talking points.

Or you are trying to trump your prior stupidity to a whole new level.

Now why has union membership nosedived for over 50+ years????

Odie1941 on March 9, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Don’t continue to allow people to contribute to elect the people they will negotiate salaries paid by the taxpayers with. It’s an obvious conflict of interest. Private sector unions don’t get to elect the people they negotiate with and it shouldn’t be allowed in the public sector.

Cindy Munford on March 9, 2011 at 11:16 AM

There simply is no compromise with these creatures; my way or the highway is their collective attitude.

F**k these people, I’m sick of them and want this fight. Let’s get it on!

Keemo on March 9, 2011 at 11:16 AM

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. two seconds after the Gov. signs the bill, a judge somewhere will void it.

BruceB on March 9, 2011 at 11:17 AM

The elephant in the room here is the tactic of fleeing itself. Dems know if something works once it’ll work again. This is going to happen over and over again and not just in Wisconsin and Indiana. If it’s not punished (running away and not doing what your were constitutionally elected to do) and instead celebrated as a legitimate tactic it will become the “norm” and quite obviously, we won’t need elections long after that. The reasons they walked out are secondary to the fact they are fricking with the bedrock of our system, that being elected officials voting for or against legislation.

Our system doesn’t work when one side just decides to make up new rules, this “stunt” has serious long term ramifications on how our Republic functions.

Tim Zank on March 9, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

How effing stupid are you? American corporations are taxed above that of other nations, which is why they’re leaving American shores. Idiot… Google it, this is not secret information.

http://blog.pappastax.com/index.php/2011/03/05/americas-high-corporate-tax-rate-or-why-corporations-relocate-abroad/

Keemo on March 9, 2011 at 11:19 AM

The dems are puppets of the unions and the unions are totally unwilling to give on the fundamental issues because they would be cutting their own throats and they know it.

It’s time for Walker and the Republicans to carve out the key non budget issues – collective bargaining, mandatory dues collection and voting for certification – and vote on them with or withtout the runaways. It’s not illegal and it’s not undemocratic.

xrayiiis on March 9, 2011 at 11:19 AM

The Wisconsinites elect him to do the job, then don’t support him when he tries, according to the polls. Same kind of thinking that got Obama elected with the mushy middle independents who are back and forth changing their minds with their finger up in the wind.

silvernana on March 9, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.
Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Never go full retard

gwelf on March 9, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Walker’s talking to the other side only to bluff them into thinking that their fleebagging stunt was effective. The governor knows they won’t accept compromise. When Walker has given them even more of a chance to make fools of themselves, he will slam the door shut in their faces.

Emperor Norton on March 9, 2011 at 11:23 AM

If I were Walker I’d pass the non financial part now and get on with the business of WI. To allow the DemRats to continue to create a constitutional crisis is bad. Pass the part you can now, it takes the wind out of their sails and forces them to come back because staying away would be moot. I’d also pass every conservative wish list item I could. Take advantage of this golden opp Walker!

CCRWM on March 9, 2011 at 11:23 AM

If they don’t like it, then they should have won the elections…

jeffn21 on March 9, 2011 at 11:23 AM

I am sick to death of the ” working people” and “corporate tax breaks” meme GrowFins!! I am a single working mother of 3. I don’t get all the fat pay, benefits, 3 months of vacation a year that these poor downtrodden teachers do. Here in the real world you, them and the rest of your leftist buddies sound like spoiled rotten whining children. You all also need your mouths washed out with soap.

hboulware on March 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM

So what’s left? The open-shop rules that make dues payments voluntary, and the end of collective bargaining over pension and benefits.

That’s why Walker did the smart thing here. Make a reasonable offer you know the other side will reject and illustrate how unreasonable and irresponsible they are.

RadClown on March 9, 2011 at 11:25 AM

If you want an example of the “dumb masses” in WI , go read some comments on that website.

Everyone else is facing layoffs, cutbacks, higher premiums, etc and these people can’t understand why they have to sacrifice ANYTHING.

Ridiculous.

DavidM on March 9, 2011 at 11:27 AM

The Fleebaggers are such puppets to the Unions that they can’t agree to anything without their approval.

Does this remind you of the negotiations over the budget? Your people want $100B and they drop to $61B to compromise in the House. So the Senate Dems offer to compromise at $4.7B. The Dems don’t compromise, period.

barnone on March 9, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Unions would have to vote every three years to remain active

I think this might be better than every 3 years. A vote every year would require continuous campaigning, and only the union not the individual workers has the money to do that. A 3-year span would give time to the opposition to analyze the union’s shenanigans.

PattyJ on March 9, 2011 at 11:31 AM

I can appreciate Walker’s intent, however, he needs to be careful how far he bends — a man can’t ride your back unless it’s bent.

Demosthenes on March 9, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Don’t continue to allow people to contribute to elect the people they will negotiate salaries paid by the taxpayers with. It’s an obvious conflict of interest. Private sector unions don’t get to elect the people they negotiate with and it shouldn’t be allowed in the public sector.

Cindy Munford on March 9, 2011 at 11:16 AM

Agree. Ban all Union dues from being used for any purpose other than Union operating expenses if the union retirement and other funds are less than 100% funded. If members want to contribute beyond dues to a Union PAC, great.

barnone on March 9, 2011 at 11:37 AM

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. two seconds after the Gov. signs the bill, a judge somewhere will void it.

BruceB on March 9, 2011 at 11:17 AM

I would love to see a judge attempt to qualify a unions bargaining power over the state constitution’s law of a balanced budget… while elected Dems are “negotiating” on a campaign junket, out of state… (per the declaration of WI Ethics Board)

Odie1941 on March 9, 2011 at 11:38 AM

The reason the Dems can’t or won’t come back is because Burack Obama says so. The President is using his team to run the recalls in the state of WI so they can get a sentae to D liking.
The President should be careful what he wishes for because It will come back to bite him.

Gracelynn on March 9, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Walker blinked and now the union thugs and their political enablers are even more emboldened. Wake up Republicans and get your heads out of your backsides . . . you blow it every time.

rplat on March 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM

That was my initial thought as well…but after thinking about it for awhile, I came to the conclusion that he is simply positioning himself as the “reasonable one” in this battle, knowing full well that his “offer” would be rejected by the Fleebaggers and Unions. He has nothing to lose in this strategy and everything to gain. He offers, they decline…he tried–the reasonable people agree–he squashes the Unions.

PatriotRider on March 9, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Smart politics by Walker. He’s undercutting the Dems and showing that he’s offering compromises. So long as the news in Wisconsin reports Walker’s attempts to resolve this issue through concessions, he’s appearing as the guy they elected to get things done. Now, if he has to go nuclear, he can simply point to the emails as saying he was negotiating and the Democrats were unwilling to make the concessions to prevent the layoffs.

Nethicus on March 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM

fleebaggers walk away

Let this be a teachable moment.

We can only defeat them.

Now make them so damned mad they have to come back just to cuss you out.

Speakup on March 9, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Leaves me with mixed feelings. On one hand, I really didn’t want to see Governor Walker soften at all, even though that was probably never a realistic expectation. On the other hand, this should now work to his benefit by exposing the intransigence of the Dems.

bofh on March 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM

My reaction too. But I’m so accustomed to our guys caving to lefty hard balls that it leaves me worried.

petefrt on March 9, 2011 at 11:44 AM

For the “Walker caved” crowd. You do understand that the bill has moved to the final stage and has to be voted on “as is” right?

Walker hasn’t caved on anything. This is just political theater that is working in his favor. Look at all the money and effort being spent, by team Obama, to disrupt the inevitable. Rope a dope.

DWB on March 9, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Nice bumper sticker you got there. First of all, who the hell are “working people?” In socialist speak, it means anyone who doesn’t own the means of production. The people who make Big Macs are “working people” while the owner of the franchise is not – even though he probably works twice as many hours as his employees.

Second, understand one fact. Corporations DON’T PAY TAXES! You do. We all do. When you tax a corporation, it is passed on in the form of higher prices, less employment and lower returns for investors like…union pension funds.

RadClown on March 9, 2011 at 11:47 AM

MYSTERY: Vermont governor goes missing during huge snowstorm

This came from the Drudge feed

Nearly Nobody on March 9, 2011 at 11:47 AM

barnone on March 9, 2011 at 11:37 AM

They would find a way around that. I don’t believe in private sector unions.

Cindy Munford on March 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

What specific tax breaks and what specific corporations?

If you’re talking about subsidies for nonsense green-energy corporations, I might agree with you. Otherwise, this is an idiotic liberal-progressive talking point for which you offer no evidence.

About two weeks ago, I heard one WI moron cite a statistic that two-thirds of WI corporations don’t pay any tax. But what does that statistic mean? Many “companies” or corporations don’t pay any taxes because the entities are S corporations or limited liability companies whose taxable income is not taxed at the entity level and, instead, taxed on the returns of the owners. Also, maybe some of these companies losing money or are just breaking even.

Until you provide some evidence of rampant tax fraud or evidence of some specific tax credit or tax abatement, your argument is nonsense. And even then, we need to analyze what the basis for the credit and abatement is. And then we need to analyze who in Wisconsin was responsible for that credit or abatement. Haven’t Democrats controlled Wisconsin politics for decades? Or have Republicans somehow carved out Wisconsin tax policy as something that only they control.

BuckeyeSam on March 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Do what you were elected to do and fix your states economy. If what you originally proposed is the fix, do not compromise with the libs/dems/unions because if you do, it will be easier for them to do the same thing to get their way. Do not let them bully your state into financial ruin. Always follow the money with these people. I’m sure something illegal has been going on between the unions and dems.

Kissmygrits on March 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

And as in your personal budget there are only two essential elements involved. Incoming and outgoing. Which one necessitates the reaction of the other in your estimation?

anuts on March 9, 2011 at 11:56 AM

Running shows cowardice.
Running in most cases causes the runners to loose seats in real states in subsequent elections.
Runners encourage business to look for states that are not union dominated.
Runners do cause job loss,Case left.Cat will leave ILl,JD has plants outside the US now.
Runners are exposed to ridicule that they dislike.
Runners also are real good examples to others that the union thugs own them.
Running equals stupid in the long run.
Lastly it is hard to have pride when you are not doing your job,all the cognitive dissidence in the world can not paper over a coward.
If you really believe in something you show up and fight.
Chicken hsit behavior will dog these 14 all their days,they belong in a fish tank.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Walker has been sell the democrats rope.

Slowburn on March 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM

This is because the fleebaggers are stalling to help various recall election efforts, so they don’t have to come back to the capital and pass legislation until democrats are voted back in.

jjrakman on March 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Don’t tax me to death and run up my cost of living to cover for:
Union Cadillac pensions,
………Union payoffs to democrats,
………..Union fat cat salaries,
………..Union wages that far exceed the private sector,
…………..Union shops that pay people tens of thousands of dollars a year to play chess and watch TV,
……Union corruption that drops government contracts in their laps and kills jobs in the private sector.

……….Union corruption that destroys businesses and forces American jobs to be moved overseas

…………….and if you don’t like tax cuts for Corporations….then tell it to your democratic friends on the Hill that have voted for them over and over and over and over………
…………..

Baxter Greene on March 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

“Everyone must sacrifice for the greater good! Everyone must have ‘some skin in the game.’” ~ President Duh Won

Roy Rogers on March 9, 2011 at 12:24 PM

RadClown on March 9, 2011 at 11:47 AM

You’re trying to speak logic and reason to what amounts to a posting bot.

fossten on March 9, 2011 at 12:45 PM

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. two seconds after the Gov. signs the bill, a judge somewhere will void it.

BruceB on March 9, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Ahhhh! This may be the reason he declines to consider it as a separate issue, which could be passed without a quorum. If it remains part of the budget, a judge would have to invalidate all of it… including the budget. What judge is going to take the heat for shutting down the state government?

dominigan on March 9, 2011 at 12:49 PM

The unions are all about the unions. They’ll never be different. Was in a fairly large group this AM, few, if any were siding with the Union in WI. I think it’s all propaganda and skewed polls out there.

jeanie on March 9, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Update from WI: I just came from a local school meeting where this was a hot topic (imagine that). People here are really mixed – some feel that teachers should get everything in their current contract (we have GREAT teachers BTW), others are facing the enormity of our district losing $800 per student, while yet others realize that the medical/pension contributions will make up all but $500,000 of the funding hole.

I found a few kindred spirits who realize we could pay our teachers well (95K avg, salary & benefits), change their insurance without reducing benefits, reward good teachers, fire bad ones and fill the financial hole…if only we had the lace on our panties to do it.

Even w/ the tears and anger in the room, the feeling is “let’s get it done quickly”. Rip off the bandaid. Make the paradigm change and, as the WI motto says, “Forward”.

Daisy_WI on March 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

First, the budget is balanced on the backs of ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE STATE. The private sector has carried more than their fair share. It’s time for the public sector to pick up their slack.

Second, unions empower the Democrats, who have consistently overspent and created the majority of the budget problems. The unions no longer represent the workers (otherwise there would be no issue around dues), but instead use them as pawns to keep themselves in power.

Third, tax breaks keep corporations IN THE STATE, where they pay corporate taxes, and pay workers who pay personal taxes. This tax revenue pays for teachers. Chase out corporations, and lay off more teachers! I can see why you like that!

And fourth, if they were “working people” like you claim… they would be at a JOB instead of occupying the capital!

dominigan on March 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Tend to agree that these are union hired noise makers in large part. ‘He who makes the most noise wins’ appears to be their motto. It’s the unions and the fleebaggers who have made this into a three ring circus. This, they are sure and by design, takes away from the real problems and the real issues…no discussion allowed if we disagree with it’s content. Wonder if real violence will ensue at some point? I think that the longer this goes on, the more apt the union is to lose credibility.

jeanie on March 9, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Screw ‘em. Walker should declare their positions open after 30 days and call for a general election to replace them.

GarandFan on March 9, 2011 at 1:11 PM

I see such strong parallels to Democrat’s recount efforts.

They just count and recount and recount and in the process, destroy the process.

Here we have similar results by just stalling the legitimate process, stalling the process, destroy the process.

Are we witnessing the dissolution of the Republic?

Jason Coleman on March 9, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Are we witnessing the dissolution of the Republic?

Jason Coleman on March 9, 2011 at 1:21 PM

I can think of one jug-eared socialist who certainly hopes so.

SKYFOX on March 9, 2011 at 1:32 PM

I heard one WI moron cite a statistic that two-thirds of WI corporations don’t pay any tax.

I’ll go that one better. Corporations DON’T pay taxes. Corporations pass the cost of the tax onto:

1) the consumer through higher prices and goods or services
or
2) the employees through reduced wages or benefits.

Crissakes people. A tax to a corporation is just another operating expense. GrowFins thinks “yeah, raise taxes on the corporations, that’ll show ‘em” and then wonders why he spending more the next time he goes shopping. He needs to change his name to GrownBrains.

PackerBronco on March 9, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Don’t balance the budget on the backs of working people. Unions didn’t cause the deficit, tax breaks for corporations did.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM

You need to stop parroting union talking points. It’s the current budget (the one formulated by the former Democratic governor and Democrat-controlled legislature) with its structural deficits that’s the problem. The corporate tax breaks, designed to attract business and private sector jobs, are not a factor. And among Wisconsin’s “working people,” state employees are apparently the elites.

SukieTawdry on March 9, 2011 at 1:37 PM

I keep worrying that maybe he doesn’t have the votes for the separate PEU CB reforms. You would think that if it was a lock they would have done this already.

mrsmwp on March 9, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Not necessarily. Forcing a bill through the way some conservatives are clamoring for could cause lasting damage to Wisconsin Republicans. It’s really a last resort, and a risky one. If Walker can get the Dems back to Madison without it, then there’s no need to take such a risk. But if the Dems stay in Illinois, then in order to take this plunge they have to be able to tell the public they had no other choice. They do that by showing that they’ve been willing to play ball all along but the Dems are the ones who are refusing to negotiate. And that’s what’s happening here.

At least, I hope that’s what’s happening here.

Caiwyn on March 9, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Now I think Walker should really up the ante. Start sending out more lay-off and firings notices. Start closing non-essential state agencies, and even start warning that pension payments will be put in jeopardy if the budget isn’t passed.
I’m really surprised its taking the Republicans this long to do anything. The Fleebaggers have given them a perfect opportunity to “Rham” through many of their priorities. Are they?

Iblis on March 9, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Nuclear option time: Split the union changes out of the budget and pass them as an independent bill in the absence of the Democrats.

Socratease on March 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM

With fleebagging and then lying about their willingness to ‘negotiate’, it is the Democrats who are now destroying the last of the old political system. The new one is absolute partisanship to the benefit of the Democrats at all costs, bar nothing.

That will not sit well with the American people.

There will soon be an app to replace them.

ajacksonian on March 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM

For once I wanted to find someone that didn’t care about poll numbers and getting elected again, but actually fixing a problem. What happened to people like that? This is the right thing to do and since he won election on this he should proceed. Split the bill, get it passed, and quit giving the Democrats the story.

momof2 on March 9, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Fleebaggers = the Palestinians of American electoral politics.

YehuditTX on March 9, 2011 at 2:48 PM

Daisy_WI on March 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Good to hear. Spirited civil discussion is healthy and necessary. I’m really excited about the education reform and how it will positively impact our kids in WI.

Watching he left melt down as they lose the ability to obscure the “message” and control it has been fascinating.

DWB on March 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Nice bumper sticker you got there. First of all, who the hell are “working people?” In socialist speak, it means anyone who doesn’t own the means of production.

Peter Drucker pointed out some years ago the irony that under capitalism the workers do own the means of production, via their pensions and 401k investments, which fuel business growth. And many more directly in owning their company’s stock .

YehuditTX on March 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM

We finally have a real life example of “Reaching across the aisle”. According to the “Reaching” rules however, Republicans are the ones supposed to be giving in, and up, on everything. So no wonder the Dems are frustrated and confused, this is all uncharted territory for them.

Koa on March 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Hey Wisconsinites, can they really re-call the Republican Senators that quickly? Are people really wanting them to be replaced by Dems?

sandee on March 9, 2011 at 3:13 PM

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