Senate GOP introduces national open-shop bill

posted at 2:15 pm on March 9, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

In the last session of Congress, Democrats eventually retreated from Card Check despite holding large majorities in both chambers, with a President in the White House willing to sign it.  Senate Republicans in this session of Congress appear less tentative in pursuing their own version of labor reform.  Piggybacking off of Scott Walker’s efforts in Wisconsin, eight Republicans introduced the National Right to Work Act which would end closed shops throughout the nation:

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), introduced the National Right to Work Act to “reduce workplace discrimination by protecting the free choice of individuals to form, join, or assist labor organizations, or to refrain from such activities,” according to a statement.

Seven other Republicans signed onto the effort: Sens. Tom Coburn (Okla.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Mike Lee (Utah), Rand Paul (Ky.), James Risch (Idaho), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and David Vitter (La.).

“Facing a steady decline in membership, unions have turned to strong-arm political tactics to make forced unionization the default position of every American worker, even if they don’t want it,” Hatch said. “This is simply unacceptable. At the very least, it should be the policy of the U.S. government to ensure that no employee will be forced to join a union in order to get or keep their job.”

Republicans cited a recent poll they said shows that 80 percent of union members support having their policy and that “Right to Work” states outperform “forced-union” states in factors that affect worker well being.

Of course, this doesn’t have a prayer of passing, at least not as a standalone bill.  The House could pass a similar bill with no problem, but even the most moderate of red-state Democrats won’t vote to kneecap union dues collection, not when those dues go towards keeping Democrats in office.  That is the main reason that Wisconsin’s fleebaggers won’t return and allow the state to have a functioning legislature — because they’ll be signing their political death warrants if they do.  Even if the bill managed to escape Congress by getting at least 13 Democratic votes in the Senate, Barack Obama would waste no time in vetoing the bill.

That might prove to be a useful exercise, though.  If Republicans can force a floor vote on the bill — and they could use a discharge petition to do so, under certain conditions — it would force Democrats to either vote against it and endorse forced union membership and dues collections, or to filibuster it on the record to the same effect.  Democrats will paint this effort as “union-busting,” but unlike the necessarily more targeted focus in Wisconsin, this bill instead offers a broad defense of individual rights in the country as a whole.

If nothing else, the introduction of this bill forces Democrats to play defense rather than push again for Card Check for their own symbolic purposes.  As long as workers are forced to join unions as a condition of working in certain jobs, there is no justification whatsoever for stripping them of the secret ballot to determine whether those unions can take their money in the first place.  It’s a Card Check checkmate.


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Bust. The. Unions. Now.

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2011 at 2:17 PM

OUTSTANDING!!!!

BigWyo on March 9, 2011 at 2:18 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Thanks senators for this. I wish it would pass, but don’t think it will.
L

letget on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Card Check checkmate. I like it!

1000 paper cuts to the Unions!

ornery_independent on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

I fear Republicans may start to lose the union vote.

lol

leftnomore on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Maybe Harry Reid will flee the country. Heh.

bitsy on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

More proof that we need to focus on taking back the Senate in 2012.

Knucklehead on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

About time!

Gothguy on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Go repubs!! YEA!

hboulware on March 9, 2011 at 2:21 PM

If Republicans can force a floor vote on the bill — and they could use a discharge petition to do so, under certain conditions — it would force Democrats to either vote against it and endorse forced union membership and dues collections, or to filibuster it on the record to the same effect.

Or maybe… just maybe… make the Democrat representatives go to France to avoid establishing a quorum. (Canada having a “Republican” leader… :) )

Skywise on March 9, 2011 at 2:21 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Oh, they are just practicing for post 2012.

esnap on March 9, 2011 at 2:22 PM

BOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM.

portlandon on March 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Do not pass funding for the Dept. of Labor.

Since the House has promised separate bills per agency, forgetting a few will help on the budget side and end some of the bureaucracy put on the public. It is all a help to get some fiscal sanity back, after all.

ajacksonian on March 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM

“Democrats will paint this effort as “union-busting,…”

Bring it…

… I don’t think the Unions understand the disgust that the average American feels when they see the goons unleashed.

Seven Percent Solution on March 9, 2011 at 2:24 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

….as opposed to Democrats, who have an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming reality.

cthulhu on March 9, 2011 at 2:24 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Palomino Pelosi and company did their own share of this in 2007 and 2008, as a lot of it got vetoed by W.

teke184 on March 9, 2011 at 2:26 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

And yet again, you continue your impressive record of d-baggery.

catmman on March 9, 2011 at 2:26 PM

I’d like to see them work on closing federal agencies and redundant programs, but cutting the libs off at the knees is also pretty cool.

Iblis on March 9, 2011 at 2:26 PM

A real jobs program: go with it!!!

landlines on March 9, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Their bills may not become law but, it forces dems to toe unpopular positions. It also has the added benefit of making liberals heads explode in mouth foaming rage. So,really,this is a feature not a bug.

hboulware on March 9, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), introduced the National Right to Work Act to “reduce workplace discrimination by protecting the free choice of individuals to form, join, or assist labor organizations, or to refrain from such activities,” according to a statement.

Let’s show the nation that Liberals are no longer about Liberty.

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:27 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Democrats have quite a knack for passing crap no one wanted in the first place. Don’t they?!! ;)

Doesn’t it bother you that you cavort with gun toting, tea bagging racisists? Guilty by association! ;)

capejasmine on March 9, 2011 at 2:28 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Psssttt!!! Want to buy an Obamacare waiver?

Carbon Credit vouchers for orders over 300,000,000!

LOL!!!

Roy Rogers on March 9, 2011 at 2:29 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Says more about the democrats than it does the Republicans.

Count it!

cntrlfrk on March 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

So, you’re against people having the Liberty to not join a union and be forced to contribute their hard earned wages to the Democratic Party?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Oh, please let the democrat party walk out of Congress!!!

SouthernGent on March 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), introduced the National Right to Work Act to “reduce workplace discrimination by protecting the free choice of individuals to form, join, or assist labor organizations, or to refrain from such activities,” according to a statement.

Seven other Republicans signed onto the effort: Sens. Tom Coburn (Okla.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Mike Lee (Utah), Rand Paul (Ky.), James Risch (Idaho), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and David Vitter (La.).

Sorry, no benefit of the doubt here. Do you even bother to read the posts before breathlessly commenting?

I doubt it.

BuckeyeSam on March 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Oh, please let the democrat party walk out of Congress!!!

SouthernGent on March 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM

So will the Senate Dems got to Cuba or Canada?

portlandon on March 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM

So, you’re against people having the Liberty to not join a union and be forced to contribute their hard earned wages to the Democratic Party?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Who is forced to join a union? If you don’t want to join a union, don’t work at a closed shop. Just get a job with another employer.

Are you for people free-riding by reaping the benefits of collective bargaining without paying dues?

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Can they pass a law against Trumka’s hair?

mwbri on March 9, 2011 at 2:35 PM

So will the Senate Dems got to Cuba or Canada?

portlandon on March 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Venezuela. Hugo can do more harm, still, until his people decide to join in with the ‘get rid of the tyrant’ parade that is starting up.

ajacksonian on March 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM

no employee will be forced to join a union in order to get or keep their job.”

Why in this country are people forced to pay for something they do not want?

So, you’re against people having the Liberty to not join a union and be forced to contribute their hard earned wages to the Democratic Party?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Yes she is.

Badger40 on March 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Says more about the democrats than it does the Republicans.

Count it!

cntrlfrk on March 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Wait, which one is supposed the obstructionist party of “no,” again?

BlueCollarAstronaut on March 9, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Oh, they are just practicing for post 2012.

esnap on March 9, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Let’s hope so. Remember, it is easier to vote for a bill that has no chance to pass as a symbolic gesture. Let’s hope that they intend to try again when they have a majority and thus a real chance of enacting such laws.

MJBrutus on March 9, 2011 at 2:37 PM

I agree with the sentiment of getting rid of closed-shop practices, did the Republican party forget about the concept of federalism? This is something that should be left to the states.

We can’t keep complaining about the federal government becoming too powerful while trying to use the power of the federal government as a solution to every problem.

Hollowpoint on March 9, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Congress also needs to look at the problem of runaway union dues. How about the amount of union dues being subject to a vote from union members? How about voting on what percent of union dues goes to lobbying and political contributions?

Why aren’t union dues subject to the same negotiation process between unions and members as used for salary negotiation between employers and unions?

How about union executives’ salaries and benefits and pensions being voted on by union members?

slickwillie2001 on March 9, 2011 at 2:38 PM

One acquaintance with union experience in right-to-work and closed-shop State commented — in right to work states, unions have to work hard for their members, or workers just won’t join the union. Not so in other States, where union members represent just another set of dues for leadership to spend on whatever they want. They don’t have to work for their members very hard to keep members….

drfredc on March 9, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Are you for people free-riding by reaping the benefits of collective bargaining without paying dues?

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Heck yeah!

The problem with unions is that they are a form of a cartel. Free markets only function when we have competition. Unions monopolize a critical resource and thus are anathema to efficient economic functioning.

MJBrutus on March 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM

….as opposed to Democrats, who have an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming reality.

cthulhu on March 9, 2011 at 2:24 PM

+19!

DarkCurrent on March 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM

So, you’re against people having the Liberty to not join a union and be forced to contribute their hard earned wages to the Democratic Party?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Who is forced to join a union? If you don’t want to join a union, don’t work at a closed shop. Just get a job with another employer.

Are you for people free-riding by reaping the benefits of collective bargaining without paying dues?

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:34 PM

So, your answer is Yes: you are against people having the Liberty to not join a union and be forced to contribute their hard earned wages to the Democratic Party.

Correct?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Ah but that is not true. It may have no chance of becoming law THIS session. But it will be part of the total public perception of the choices in 2011 and in that way it impacts the odds of changing the landscape to allow it to become law later.

MikeA on March 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Who is forced to join a union? If you don’t want to join a union, don’t work at a closed shop. Just get a job with another employer.

Are you for people free-riding by reaping the benefits of collective bargaining without paying dues?

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:34 PM

This is your answer?
What about this collective bargaining for entire professions in a state?
So from what I am to understand, if I was teaching in WI, I would be FORCED to join the union, no matter WHERE in WI I taught.
So you are basically saying that I have to MOVE to another STATE if I do not like this.
In ND, we local union folks offer to bargain contracts for the non-union members. If a non-union member lets us, that is their deal.
They are also free to negotiate things on their own.
I am looking into applying for another job nearby.
In a state like WI, I would not be able to ask for different contract benefits.
The only reason I am looking at maybe leaving the job i have now is if the other district wants to pay me more.
If they do, I will consider it.
According to states like WI, wouldn’t be able to do that.
You,Madame or Sir, are nothing short of a Tyrant.

Badger40 on March 9, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Correct?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM

That’s what I got out of it.
Some people are really shameless.

Badger40 on March 9, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Why do democrats want to strip workers rights to work where they want freely???

cntrlfrk on March 9, 2011 at 2:43 PM

Look at this as a civil rights issue.
Why should I have to pay a third party to be allowed to work?

Kini on March 9, 2011 at 2:43 PM

Who is forced to join a union? If you don’t want to join a union, don’t work at a closed shop. Just get a job with another employer.

Are you for people free-riding by reaping the benefits of collective bargaining without paying dues?

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:34 PM

In a word, yes. But that is because I don’t agree with the idea of a “closed” anything, especially shops that use public money.

MikeA on March 9, 2011 at 2:43 PM

Yes she is.

Badger40 on March 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM

You’d think a ‘Liberal’ would be in favor of Liberty.

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:43 PM

Excellent, but it needs to be undergirded by a strong national conversation about workplace freedom, and how the unions feed the Dems and vice-versa. This is the weakness in what’s going on in WI, and it’s hurting us.

paul1149 on March 9, 2011 at 2:43 PM

BTW – Kudos to Ed Morrissey on the rapidity and quality of the last few posts!

It is hard to get out such high quality stuff in a very short time. I appreciate that, deeply.

Thank you.

ajacksonian on March 9, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Wipe the smile right off Trumpka’s face!

DuctTapeMyBrain on March 9, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Remember that when Obamacare was hatched we were told it had no chance of getting through the House, and after it did we were told it had no chance of getting through the Senate, and after it did we were told it had no chance of getting through committee….

slickwillie2001 on March 9, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Should be “Card Checkmate”. Sounds better.

Hucklebuck on March 9, 2011 at 2:46 PM

Everyone in America Should See This Young Teenage Girl’s Video

SHUT DOWN PLANNED PARENTHOOD

Nearly Nobody on March 9, 2011 at 2:46 PM

Ed. You are now at the delirious point.. No hope, no remedy. You’ve exposed yourself, with your actually unexpected, thought you had some gray-matter up there, Tucson Speech, thingy. You were impressed, at least. No one with a mind thought so, but you. Why he was shaken, bakin’, pants on the ground, keeping us all together. And you, thought, no matter who wrote the tunes, that Obama came across. You are a very gross, Sorry….even if I am in the 1/9000 of population, which seems to be the case.

betsyz on March 9, 2011 at 2:47 PM

But don’t you know, extortion is a time honored tradition in Chicago.
-
It’s the Al Capone school of government.
-

esblowfeld on March 9, 2011 at 2:47 PM

So, your answer is Yes: you are against people having the Liberty to not join a union and be forced to contribute their hard earned wages to the Democratic Party.

Correct?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Incorrect, Chip!

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Remember that when Obamacare was hatched we were told it had no chance of getting through the House, and after it did we were told it had no chance of getting through the Senate, and after it did we were told it had no chance of getting through committee….

slickwillie2001 on March 9, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Back in the day (pre November 2, 2010) when we were told the GOP was dead.

Looking more and more like elections have consequences.

Roy Rogers on March 9, 2011 at 2:48 PM

The best defense is a strong offense!

barnone on March 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Ed. You are now at the delirious point.. No hope, no remedy. You’ve exposed yourself, with your actually unexpected, thought you had some gray-matter up there, Tucson Speech, thingy. You were impressed, at least. No one with a mind thought so, but you. Why he was shaken, bakin’, pants on the ground, keeping us all together. And you, thought, no matter who wrote the tunes, that Obama came across. You are a very gross, Sorry….even if I am in the 1/9000 of population, which seems to be the case.

betsyz on March 9, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Betsyz – there is such a thing as grammer. Try it sometime.

DuctTapeMyBrain on March 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law they can’t rouse themselves to bring to a vote.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

I’d have to agree with ol’ crr6 if he/she had said this.

Three months into the supposed Republican House and what has actually gone through the process?

Empty promises, boasting and whining are unattractive no matter which side is indulging in them.

MrScribbler on March 9, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Who is forced to join a union? If you don’t want to join a union, don’t work at a closed shop. Just get a job with another employer.

Are you for people free-riding by reaping the benefits of collective bargaining without paying dues?

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Are you an idiot? in this economy? Yeah, the unions are the only ones that are being supported in the WH and by the Dems.

I know of alot of people that are union members that would rather not have their dues and their funds going for union politics

ConservativePartyNow on March 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM

I’m all in favor of a right to work all over this country, but by what right does the Senate think it can force the states to open up? Is that in the Constitution some place and I just missed it? Or, are they just planning to put this into the next highway bill, as a condition of receiving funds?

MTF on March 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM

So will the Senate Dems got to Cuba or Canada?

portlandon on March 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Venezuela, wearing their Che t-shirts.

ornery_independent on March 9, 2011 at 2:52 PM

DuctTapeMyBrain on March 9, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Its not her fault, she learned her grammar from a union teacher.

MJBrutus on March 9, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Are you an idiot? in this economy?

Hm. So now you’re saying that, not only do you have a right to not join a union, you also have a right to a keep certain job. That seems quite different.

I know of alot of people that are union members that would rather not have their dues and their funds going for union politics

ConservativePartyNow on March 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Union members who disagree with political expenditures can ask for a refund of that portion of their dues.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Ed. You are now at the delirious point.. No hope, no remedy. You’ve exposed yourself, with your actually unexpected, thought you had some gray-matter up there, Tucson Speech, thingy. You were impressed, at least. No one with a mind thought so, but you. Why he was shaken, bakin’, pants on the ground, keeping us all together. And you, thought, no matter who wrote the tunes, that Obama came across. You are a very gross, Sorry….even if I am in the 1/9000 of population, which seems to be the case.

betsyz on March 9, 2011 at 2:47 PM

What?

DarkCurrent on March 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Nice to see some of our new conservative Senators (Lee, Toomey, Paul), taking charge. More like them please.

alecj on March 9, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Ed. You are now at the delirious point.. No hope, no remedy. You’ve exposed yourself, with your actually unexpected, thought you had some gray-matter up there, Tucson Speech, thingy. You were impressed, at least. No one with a mind thought so, but you. Why he was shaken, bakin’, pants on the ground, keeping us all together. And you, thought, no matter who wrote the tunes, that Obama came across. You are a very gross, Sorry….even if I am in the 1/9000 of population, which seems to be the case.

betsyz on March 9, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Translation please…or maybe not.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2011 at 3:02 PM

So, your answer is Yes: you are against people having the Liberty to not join a union and be forced to contribute their hard earned wages to the Democratic Party.

Correct?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Incorrect, Chip!

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Okay, How am I incorrect? You advocate people being forced to join a union in order to work. You try to dance around the truth with the lame excuse that somehow you still have a choice when you really don’t.

The reality is that it isn’t choice and that should be clear to everyone but you.

Does it bother you that you are being anti-choice and Anti-liberty?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Union members who disagree with political expenditures can ask for a refund of that portion of their dues.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Sure! Happens all the time!!!

NOT!!!

America’s Education Crisis
http://teachersunionexposed.com/

America’s education system is in crisis. Test scores show us that students across America are performing at levels far below their peers overseas. In addition to test scores that aren’t up to par, graduation rates are shamefully low. There is no doubt that America’s students deserve better.

In a rapidly changing world, our students are not being taught the basic knowledge and skills they need to succeed. It’s time to get to the root of the problem.

America’s teachers unions — particularly the National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers — are the most organized and powerful voices in education politics. These unions continue to block reforms needed to improve our nation’s schools by putting their focus on teachers rather than on the students they teach.

Our education system is in desperate need of reform and it’s time we stop letting teachers unions stand in the way.

Roy Rogers on March 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM

So the thuggish progs response is -if you don’t want to join a union you don’t have to work there. Sounds a lot like what T&A says, -if you don’t want to submit to sexual assault you shouldn’t fly.

I guess ultimately they’ll tell us that if you don’t want to submit to Obamacare you can go live in a different country.

slickwillie2001 on March 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

**SNORT** This bill arose in the SENATE, not the HOUSE! Moron! What do you need, a lecture to explain the article? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
/crr6

ExpressoBold on March 9, 2011 at 3:05 PM

“Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), introduced the National Right to Work Act to “reduce workplace discrimination by protecting the free choice of individuals to form, join, or assist labor organizations, or to refrain from such activities,” according to a statement.”

It’s called freedom of association, a fundamental concept within the 1st Amendment right of freedom to assemble. Closed shops infringe on our First Amendment rights and ought to be ruled unconstitutional. The time is ripe.

Dusty on March 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

betsyz on March 9, 2011 at 2:47 PM

@betsyz: R U a pro-fess-or of crr6?

ExpressoBold on March 9, 2011 at 3:07 PM

I work for a Class One railroad. An extremely profitable Class One railroad. Its a closed shop, and probably would be un-affected by this bill because we are governed by the Railway Labor Act.

That said….If we were an open shop, I don’t think union membership would suffer. Why? Because the carriers themselves are a tremendous advertisement for joining a union. The first time a non-member was “handled” by the railroad in a disciplinary matter (and trust me, it would happen), they (and other non-members) would be looking for a membership application to fill out.

I vote Republican. More than a few of us do. But to be quite frank, I’m glad I’ve got a union to belong to. And before anyone asks why I don’t leave the job, why should I? I’ve invested virtually my entire adult life in the place. And I’ve got a labor organization to help look out for my interests.

Oh: I’m quite anti-Card Check.

tgharris on March 9, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Okay, How am I incorrect? You advocate people being forced to join a union in order to work. You try to dance around the truth with the lame excuse that somehow you still have a choice when you really don’t.

How am I dancing around the truth? You guys keep saying that only around 10-12% of the workforce is unionized. Presumably an even smaller percentage of employers are a “union shop.” So if you don’t want to join a union, work for one of the vast majority of employers that’s not a union shop.

Who’s forcing anyone to work for a union shop? That’s your choice. If you don’t want to work for a join a union…then don’t work for a union shop.

The reality is that it isn’t choice and that should be clear to everyone but you.

Naw, I think you guys know that nobody’s “forced” to join a union. You just use it as a nifty rhetorical device.

Does it bother you that you are being anti-choice and Anti-liberty?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM

I’m not, Chip. Does it bother you that you are being pro-free-rider and leech?

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Union members who disagree with political expenditures can ask for a refund of that portion of their dues.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM

OMG!
ROTFLMBO!
You obviously haven’t been a conservative working in a union shop.
I have.
Snort! Giggle!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2011 at 3:10 PM

[ajacksonian on March 9, 2011 at 2:44 PM]

I’ll second that. Nice posts, Ed.

Dusty on March 9, 2011 at 3:10 PM

OMG!
ROTFLMBO!
You obviously haven’t been a conservative working in a union shop.
I have.
Snort! Giggle!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2011 at 3:10 PM

Whatever. You have a constitutional right to get those dues refunded. If you didn’t do it, that’s your fault. And if the union refused to do it, you should have sued.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 3:12 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Just keeping sharp for when we through you commie socialist bastages on the scrapheap of history.

darwin-t on March 9, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Union members who disagree with political expenditures can ask for a refund of that portion of their dues.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Hahahahaha! You think so? And what happens to that one poor conservative or independent electrician that asks for his $100 back from his union that just gave $5 million to Democratic campaigns? You think that guy gets the next call for the electrical job?

rockmom on March 9, 2011 at 3:13 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

The Republicans are far behind the previous Democrat controlled House:

Senate sitting on 290 bills already passed by House; tension mounts

The article was written the same month Sen. Scott Brown was sworn in. So, the Democrats, with a large majority in the House, passed 290 bills that were never enacted into law, even though the Democrats had a filibuster proof Senate and the Whitehouse. You say Republicans are developing quite an impressive record. Compared to the Democrats actual record, the Republicans don’t even come in a close second when it comes to passing things that didn’t become law.

Xiphos on March 9, 2011 at 3:14 PM

Go Demint! Go Hatch! Go Lee!

This is what I like to see.

scotash on March 9, 2011 at 3:14 PM

If nothing else, the introduction of this bill forces Democrats to play defense rather than push again for Card Check for their own symbolic purposes.

Ya think?!?! That applies to everything they are doing with obama at the helm.
Except for the budget…there they hold the all the cards…they should start acting like it!

winston on March 9, 2011 at 3:16 PM

Whatever. You have a constitutional right to get those dues refunded. If you didn’t do it, that’s your fault. And if the union refused to do it, you should have sued.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Actually, once we get to Texas I’ll have the right not to be forced to join a union as a condition of employment.
Since I’m currently unemployed in the union paradise of Ill-Annoyz-I’m looking forward to being able to work union- free.
Btw: We’re moving because my husband’s NON-union railroad-though it does pay into RR retirement-is transferring us.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2011 at 3:17 PM

crr6

Don’t worry, he’s just making stuff up anyway.

Grow Fins on March 9, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Walmart recently imposed a rule that requires all employees donate and join the Republican party.

A spokesman for Walmart said if employess don’t want to donate or join they can work somewhere else.

Unions have expressed outrage at this new ruling stating that forcing people to join a political party and give money to said party is extortion. People should be free to work where they please the spokesman said, without being coerced to join any specific group or pay money into that group.

darwin on March 9, 2011 at 3:18 PM

The Republican House is developing quite an impressive record of proposing and passing things that have absolutely no chance of becoming law.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:20 PM

So now you SUPPORT obstructionism… Funny that.

Skywise on March 9, 2011 at 3:18 PM

darwin on March 9, 2011 at 3:18 PM

ROTFL!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Whatever. You have a constitutional right to get those dues refunded. If you didn’t do it, that’s your fault. And if the union refused to do it, you should have sued.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 3:12 PM

This is on Eric Holder’s “to do” list.

LMAO!!!

Roy Rogers on March 9, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Does it bother you that you are being anti-choice and Anti-liberty?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM

I’m not, Chip. Does it bother you that you are being pro-free-rider and leech?

Do you mean like the Democratic party Leaching and free-riding off hard working people?

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 3:10 PM

No choice, isn’t a choice, can you understand that simple concept?

And it doesn’t really bother you that you are Ant-Liberty, does it?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Union members who disagree with political expenditures can ask for a refund of that portion of their dues.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM

1988 – Communications Workers of America v. Beck
The Court ruled that workers covered by the National Labor Relations Act can withhold forced dues from the union for everything but the documented cost of collective bargaining. The Foundation-won decision affirmed the rights of private-sector employees to exercise the same freedom from coerced support of politics enjoyed by public sector workers protected by the Abood and Hudson rulings, and railway and airline workers under the Ellis ruling.

Beck, Ellis, Abood, and

Hudson

, taken together, break down the artificial barriers between private-sector, government, and transportation workers to empower all employees to withhold forced union dues for all activities unrelated to collective bargaining.

1991 – Lehnert v. Ferris Faculty Association

This Foundation-won case involved a Michigan state college’s faculty members who were forced to pay fees to the NEA/MEA labor union.

The Court fleshed out earlier, vague language by establishing a rigorous three-part test, based on the First Amendment, to judge the chargeableness of union activities paid for by forced dues. It also clarified that non-members cannot be forced to subsidize union lobbying and public relations.

Unions fought all of these cases all the way to the Supreme Court. These “rights” exist only because some brave union members litigated them and won.

Supreme Court precedents

rockmom on March 9, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Very nice. I could talk about unions every day all year and all next year too. This country definitely needs to ‘raise its consciousness’ about unions and card check.

Keep up with the full court press Reps. Force them (and by ‘them’ I mean the MSM particularly) to talk about what they don’t want to talk about.

perries on March 9, 2011 at 3:21 PM

This is on Eric Holder’s “to do” list.
LMAO!!!

Roy Rogers on March 9, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Psssttt!!! Want to buy an Obamacare waiver?

Carbon Credit vouchers for orders over 300,000,000!

LOL!!!

Roy Rogers on March 9, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Good stuff, Roy.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Do you mean like the Democratic party Leaching and free-riding off hard working people?

No Chip, I mean like workers claiming they have a right to reap the benefits and wage increases that flow from collective bargaining, without paying dues. I thought that was pretty clear.

No choice, isn’t a choice, can you understand that simple concept?

You don’t have “no choice” though. You can work somewhere else. The vase majority of workplaces aren’t union shops

You either seem unable to grasp that point, or unable to respond to it coherently. Actually, it’s probably both.

And it doesn’t really bother you that you are Ant-Liberty, does it?

Chip on March 9, 2011 at 3:21 PM

I’m not anti-liberty, Chip. Sorry.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 3:25 PM

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Don’t touch my junk.

Roy Rogers on March 9, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Naw, I think you guys know that nobody’s “forced” to join a union. You just use it as a nifty rhetorical device.
crr6

Odd, being the legal scholar you claim to be I thought you understood the concept of a closed shop.

No you DON’T have to work at the closed shop and join the union. But if it’s the only factory in town and the only source of jobs… you’re kinda “forced” to join the union to earn a living.

Skywise on March 9, 2011 at 3:26 PM

A few days ago, Barone had a nice column about the current uselessness of unions.

http://www.creators.com/print/conservative/michael-barone/who-s-to-blame-for-union-woes.html

Unions are so last century.

BuckeyeSam on March 9, 2011 at 3:28 PM

I’m not anti-liberty, Chip. Sorry.

crr6 on March 9, 2011 at 3:25 PM

eh? You favor forcing people to buy health insurance and think forcing people to join unions is A-OK.

Perhaps our idea of liberty is different from yours. What’s your definition of liberty?

darwin on March 9, 2011 at 3:29 PM

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