Breaking: Wisconsin Senate GOP to split off collective bargaining bill from budget, pass it separately? Update: Senate passes collective bargaining bill; Update: “Affront to democracy,” says … runaway Dem; Update: Capitol livestream added; Update: No security whatsoever

posted at 7:09 pm on March 9, 2011 by Allahpundit

Question mark in the headline because all we know for sure is that they’ve sent the bill back to a conference committee for unspecified changes. But some of the fleebaggers are squawking that this means they’ve gone for the nuclear option — i.e. rather than include the collective bargaining provisions in a broader budget bill, which they can’t pass without Democrats because it’s “fiscal” in nature, they’re going to strip out the CB part and pass it separately. That’s not fiscal, according to Wisconsin law, so a simple quorum will do.

Two Democratic state senators said they think Republicans plan to pass parts of Gov. Scott Walker’s proposal that take away collective bargaining rights from public workers without them.

Senate Republican leaders weren’t saying why they hastily created a conference committee that’s meeting later Wednesday night.

A source confirmed to WISC-TV that Republican senators intend to remove fiscal portions of the budget bill in order to pass it without Democratic senators.

I read a quote from senate majority leader Scott Fitzgerald somewhere earlier today lamenting that he’d run out of options to try to entice the fugitive Dems back. They weren’t willing to make any deals, they weren’t cowed into coming home by the imposition of daily fines, so there’s nothing left to be done except take away their reason for staying away. There may be a backlash to doing it this way, but the backlash is already in effect via the recall campaigns the left is mounting against them. Like Ace says, probably the best thing they can do for themselves politically at this point is pass the damned thing, get it off the table, and let people cool down as it fades from the media cycle.

Plenty of updates to come, so stand by. Exit question: Don’t you hate it when irregular procedures are used to destroy a de facto filibuster of an unpopular bill?

Update: One of the fugitive Dems inadvertently makes the case for why the GOP should go ahead with this:

Democrats said the fines would have no effect on bringing them back to the state.

“They’ve messed with our staffs,” said Sen. Jon Erpenbach (D-Middleton). “They’ve taken away our parking spaces. They’ve extorted our paychecks. They’ve sent the State Patrol after us. And now they’ve fined us $100 a day.

“I don’t know what more they need to do to get the point that it’s not working.”

Right, it’s not working. It would be out-and-out political suicide for any of them to break ranks and come home so that the GOP can form a quorum, which means there’s nothing further to talk about here. Walker’s not dropping the collective bargaining bill and the Democrats aren’t budging from their demand that the collective bargaining bill be dropped. We’re at a complete impasse, and now the GOP’s going to resolve it. Done.

Update: A detail buried in the same story linked above: With exquisite irony, some of the fleebaggers’ supporters are screeching, “This is not democracy!”

Update: NBC reports that the conference committee has already approved the new split-off collective bargaining bill. Now it’s on to the senate for a vote; the GOP-controlled assembly will vote on it tomorrow. One hitch, though, from the Journal-Sentinel article linked above: Did they follow proper procedure in calling the conference committee?

Republican senators quickly assembled at 4 p.m. to send the bill to a conference committee, which convenes at 6 p.m. They largely declined comment after the meeting.

Attorney Robert Dreps, an expert on the state open meetings law, said he did not believe the conference committee could meet with such short notice.

State law generally requires a 24-hour notice for public meetings, but can be called with just two hours notice when more notice is impossible or impractical, said Dreps, who has represented the Journal Sentinel in the past.

“I can’t imagine how they can meet that standard,” he said.

Update: And just like that, the deed is done:

In 18-1 vote, Wis. Senate approves bill to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights

Update: Via Breitbart, here’s Fizgerald earlier today suggesting that the White House might be coordinating the recall efforts against Wisconsin state senators.

Update: Needless to say, if you’re in Wisconsin and planning to attend what’s sure to be a mega-protest tomorrow as the assembly convenes to pass the senate bill, make sure to bring a camera of some sort. The examples of “new tone” in action should be exquisite.

Update: Fleebagger Chris Larson retaliates with 100 megatons of pure oblivious irony:

What Republicans did was an affront to democracy. Never shall a voter doubt which party stands for the working class, and which for the rich

Update: Here’s Scott Walker’s brief statement congratulating the senate, and here’s a longer one from Fitzgerald. Money quote:

This afternoon, following a week and a half of line-by-line negotiation, Sen. Miller sent me a letter that offered three options: 1) keep collective bargaining as is with no changes, 2) take our counter-offer, which would keep collective bargaining as is with no changes, 3) or stop talking altogether.

With that letter, I realized that we’re dealing with someone who is stalling indefinitely, and doesn’t have a plan or an intention to return. His idea of compromise is “give me everything I want,” and the only negotiating he’s doing is through the media.

Enough is enough.

Update: An important clarification from John McCormack at the Standard. They didn’t split collective bargaining off from the budget bill; they amended the budget bill to remove the provisions that appropriate funds. That’s the “fiscal” part under Wisconsin law. The new bill is still a budget bill, and it still saves money:

The legislation being voted on tonight has few changes from the bill as initially proposed. It would save just $30 million less than the original budget bill by stripping out a refinancing provision. But it would still save the state $300 million over the next two years by requiring state employees to contribute about 5% of income toward their pensions and by requiring state workers to pay for about 12% of their health insurance premiums. It would also save $1.44 billion by requiring public employees in school districts and municipalities to pay 5% of their salaries toward their pensions and by removing collective bargaining for benefits, thus giving school districts and municipalities the option of requiring their employees to pay about 12% for their health insurance premiums.

Update: Wondering how the media will be reporting the news tonight? Well, here’s the headline Reuters came up with to describe a bill that eliminates collective bargaining for PEUs on benefits, but not on wages:

Update: Mama, they’re coming home.

Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller (D-Monona) said they would be back by Thursday. They had been able to block a vote on the bill for three weeks because 20 senators had to be present to vote for it. Republicans control the house 19-14…

Democrats decried the move and warned it could end the political careers of some Republican senators who are under the threat of recall.

“I think it’s akin to political hara-kiri,” said Sen. Bob Jauch (D-Poplar). “I think it’s political suicide.”…

State Sen. Chris Larson (D-Milwaukee) said Wednesday night he attempted to drive back from Illinois to Madison to get to the Capitol before Republicans passed the measure.

Update: I keep hearing rumors on Twitter that Wisconsin unions may call a general strike tomorrow — i.e. a strike of all unions statewide, to show solidarity, not just of the PEUs affected by the bill — but I can’t find anything solid about that on the wires. E-mail us if you see something firm. Ed wrote about the prospect of a general strike a few weeks ago; if it happens, it’s illegal, and it’ll be a test of Walker’s nerve to see if he’s willing to fire people over it. How do you think that’ll play out?

Update: A timely op-ed in tomorrow’s Journal: Scott Walker explains why he’s taken a stand on collective bargaining.

While it might be a bold political move, the changes are modest. We ask government workers to make a 5.8% contribution to their pensions and a 12.6% contribution to their health-insurance premium, both of which are well below what other workers pay for benefits. Our plan calls for Wisconsin state workers to contribute half of what federal employees pay for their health-insurance premiums. (It’s also worth noting that most federal workers don’t have collective bargaining for wages and benefits.)

For example, my brother works as a banquet manager at a hotel and occasionally works as a bartender. My sister-in-law works at a department store. They have two beautiful kids. They are a typical middle-class Wisconsin family. At the start of this debate, David reminded me that he pays nearly $800 per month for his family’s health-insurance premium and a modest 401(k) contribution. He said most workers in Wisconsin would love a deal like the one we are proposing.

The unions say they are ready to accept concessions, yet their actions speak louder than words. Over the past three weeks, local unions across the state have pursued contracts without new pension or health-insurance contributions. Their rhetoric does not match their record on this issue.

Update: In case you’re already on “civility” watch, here’s a livestream from the Capitol of protesters screaming to be let into the building. According to a local reporter, windows and doors on the grounds have already been broken. Tomorrow’s “new tone” should be epic.

Watch live streaming video from theuptake at livestream.com

Update: As I write this, accused union buster Michael Moore is on Maddow’s show insisting that this means war. Meanwhile, Josh Barro of the Manhattan Institute wonders how it is that public employees in 25 other states — and in the federal government — have managed to survive without collective bargaining rights.

Update: Here’s video inside the Capitol from the same reporter who’s seeing broken windows on the building already.

Update: Ann Althouse’s husband is at the Capitol and is warning people to stay away. Quote: “ANYBODY CAN GET IN AND ANYBODY CAN BRING ANYTHING IN. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY WHATEVER.”

Update: The same local reporter who claimed earlier that windows had been broken now says those reports are wrong.


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An affront to Democracy is running to Illinois and not voting.

lilium on March 10, 2011 at 9:32 AM

This would be grounds for either non-judicial punishment (NJP) or possibly a courts-martial (starting with charges of direct disobedience of an order), and possibly discharge from the NG… That’s a pretty heavy personal price to pay to throw away your NG career, pay, benefits, etc.

Khun Joe on March 10, 2011 at 8:20 AM

I wasn’t sure of the details. I only know that if my son got caught with Crystal Light while in basic training he’d be subject an article 15. I imagined that dereliction of duty in the NG would carry a much more serious consequence.

csdeven on March 10, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Finally. I’d suggest the Governor call out the NG, as the union thugs are coming, and they will be armed.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Democratic state Sen. Dave Hansen was surprised:

We didn’t believe that the Republican senators would stay with the governor and rubber-stamp his plan.

Well, I guess you shouldn’t have run away, huh?

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Walker may have sacrificed his career to pass this.

WisCon on March 10, 2011 at 1:21 AM

Why? If what he did is the right thing for his state, and it is in my opinion, then his supporters should back him and come out in force for him.
It’s BS that one man should stand alone. He’s a leader so I believe he will inspire others to follow him.
The national and local, right leaning media better start singing his praises and explaining what happened.

Vince on March 10, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Democrats have union fever! I love the part in the article that says “What Republicans did was an affront to democracy. Never shall a voter doubt which party stands for the working class, and which for the rich.” Which rich people are the Republicans standing for? The State? No, no they are millions/billions in debt. The corporations? No, no these are public unions. The taxpayers? Yeah, the taxpayers because they work for the corporate fat cats and they don’t pay enough money in taxes! What a bunch of morons!

TturnP on March 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Finally. I’d suggest the Governor call out the NG, as the union thugs are coming, and they will be armed.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 9:48 AM

And the left would relish it! They’d love to be able to dust off the Kent State references for this issue.

csdeven on March 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Walker may have sacrificed his career to pass this.

WisCon on March 10, 2011 at 1:21 AM

Walker campaigned on this issue. It is one of the reasons he was elected. Don’t believe everything you see on TV.

TturnP on March 10, 2011 at 9:56 AM

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Agree. These are socialists who have had a taste of power and money that they are not likely to give up because of some vote, by anyone. They are gearing up for a real fight and I fully expect them to “get a little bloody”, as one of thier own put it.

MikeA on March 10, 2011 at 9:56 AM

I understand when the commies refer to him as “Walker”, but the rest of us would do well to make it a habit to address him as “Governor Walker”. What he is doing is being done in that capacity and we should not let anyone forget that.

MikeA on March 10, 2011 at 9:58 AM

Finally. I’d suggest the Governor call out the NG, as the union thugs are coming, and they will be armed.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 9:48 AM

NEGATIVE!!! The Left already has a plan in place to instigate a NEW Kent State!

The unionized Madison Police must be ordered in to clear this mob. Should they refuse, they should all be fired and the State Police called in.

IF the State Police are unable to do the job, Gov. Walker should declare a state of emergency and IMPLORE President Obama for HELP!

Let Obama deal with the liberal thugs HE CREATED!

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Walker may have sacrificed his career to pass this.

WisCon on March 10, 2011 at 1:21 AM

I disagree. He got reelected in Milwaukee county twice as county executive buy being a deficit hawk. Don’t let the liberal hysteria concern you.

WisRich on March 10, 2011 at 10:02 AM

And the left would relish it! They’d love to be able to dust off the Kent State references for this issue.

csdeven on March 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM

If I recall correctly, the protesters at Kent were peace protesters, not an armed crowd headed to ‘punish’ elected officials for voting…..

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Governor Walker just ensured a GOP majority in Wisconsin for the next 25 years.

November is the ONLY poll that matters. He was hired to DO this job by the good people of Wisconsin.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Hearing on the radio that Republicans are getting death threats that include their families. Despicable.

WisRich on March 10, 2011 at 10:05 AM

If I recall correctly, the protesters at Kent were peace protesters, not an armed crowd headed to ‘punish’ elected officials for voting…..

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Not so much…..

csdeven on March 10, 2011 at 10:06 AM

If I recall correctly, the protesters at Kent were peace protesters, not an armed crowd headed to ‘punish’ elected officials for voting…..

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM

NEGATIVE! The “protesters” at Kent State were pawns used by socialist agitators:

Remember Bernadine Dohrn? Leader of the Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM), a radical wing of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) in the late 1960s as well as the October 1969 Days of Rage riot in Chicago, a founder of the Weather Underground that bombed federal buildings and police stations? A stated goal of the Underground was to help achieve world communism, synthesized in a long-forgotten book entitled Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism, written and published in 1974 by William Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and other Weather Undergrounders. The book became the Underground’s ideological manifesto, with Ayers declaring himself a communist, and the promise of inaugurating a bombing campaign aimed at overthrowing the American government. Dohrn and Ayers became fugitives when one bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey — accidentally exploded in a New York townhouse. In other sworn testimony of the 1970s, former FBI informant Larry Grathwohl implicated Ayers and Dohrn in planning the bombing murder of San Francisco Police Sergeant Brian V. McDonnell. Metal staples from the bomb had ripped through the sergeant’s body, killing him after several agonizing days in the hospital.

Members of the staff at the regional S.D.S. office in Cleveland constantly made the short trip to Kent, where they propagandized and recruited. A student revolutionary told Michener: “We established our communes in three Ohio cities, one in Columbus, two in Akron, two in Cleveland. The idea was to teach severe discipline. Every single decision – was a girl member entitled to buy an ice cream cone? – was decided by group discussion. The object was to produce revolutionaries programmed to obey orders…

…In November of 1968, S.D.S. forced Oakland, California, police officers to postpone interviews with prospective police recruits on the Kent State campus. On February 27, 1969, S.D.S. hustler Joyce Cecora told an audience that “if the university does not stop politically repressing S.D.S. they would burn and level the campus.” At about the same time, S.D.S. distributed copies of the Organizers’ Manual For The Spring Offensive, which explained: “During the course of the struggle it will probably be necessary and helpful to carry out a series of escalating ‘mini’ actions to help build consciousness and dramatize the issue. Beginning with guerrilla theater actions in dorms we can escalate to disrupting classes, street marches, quick assaults on buildings, etc., before moving to the major confrontation of the struggle.”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/american/3859-kent-state-and-the-perfect-coup

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Finally. I’d suggest the Governor call out the NG, as the union thugs are coming, and they will be armed.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 9:48 AM
And the left would relish it! They’d love to be able to dust off the Kent State references for this issue.

csdeven on March 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM

You’re right – better to let the thugs rampage and have their way with people and property.

/sarc

Midas on March 10, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Actually it might serve a bigger purpose to let the kids literally destroy a beautiful Capitol building,sorta like the Taliban blasting the Buda.The resulting videos of a burnt out hulk of a public building in a free republic,looking like Beirut,or Baghdad ought just about end any democrat chances for a century or two.
The ugly nature of the crowd is helping to un sell what they are peddling rapidly.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 10:08 AM

If we had an actual American President, he would have gone on TV by now to urge the protestors to calm down. But, we know where his heart lies.

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Hearing on the radio that Republicans are getting death threats that include their families. Despicable.

WisRich on March 10, 2011 at 10:05 AM

That’s just the Koch brothers, trying to make the libs look bad. Libs would *never* do anything like that – too uncivil.

/sarc

Midas on March 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM

The ugly nature of the crowd is helping to un sell what they are peddling rapidly.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 10:08 AM

The election campaigns of 2012 begin with images of the Left’s present terror campaign in Wisconsin.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:10 AM

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:07 AM

In that case, we can hope that modern NG units are better shots.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 10:10 AM

You’re right – better to let the thugs rampage and have their way with people and property.

/sarc

Midas on March 10, 2011 at 10:07 AM

People should be protected, but I’m leaning toward letting the mob destroy some public property.

The more they show their real nature (violent & ignorant)…

…the more people will turn against them.

Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 10:11 AM

If we had an actual American President, he would have gone on TV by now to urge the protestors to calm down. But, we know where his heart lies.

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM

makes you wonder if he’s slipping on his “comfy’s” and making a few calls to his Black Panther friends checking their availability.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:11 AM

IF the State Police are unable to do the job, Gov. Walker should declare a state of emergency and IMPLORE President Obama for HELP!

Let Obama deal with the liberal thugs HE CREATED!

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:01 AM
.
No way,use the State Guard or deputize citizens,rural Sheriff’s deputies, to protect their Capitol and elected officials. bomma would screw it up and send a load of lesbian communicators to sooth the issue.Jay Nap or Jamie Goerlick.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM

In that case, we can hope that modern NG units are better shots.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 10:10 AM

We can pray that our military will NEVER AGAIN be called into an ambush situation like this.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 10:13 AM

I heard Janet Napolitano was Lesbonese

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:14 AM

… meanwhile, pay no attention to that burning smell in the air wafting this way from Wall Street. That’s just your retirement account getting charred… yike.

Midas on March 10, 2011 at 10:14 AM

Some random thoughts:

- Why are police and firemen protesting? The legislation doesn’t impact them and their involvement only makes people wonder why they still have collective bargaining.

- What are private sector unions protesting? The legislation doesn’t impact them, either. I understand solidarity – but I also understand knowing which way the wind is blowing and trying to stay out of the storm.

- I find it deliciously ironic the amount of misspellings, grammar errors and vulgarities used by the protesters to show their support for teachers. If THIS is what is getting taught, then maybe we NEED to radically re-invent what is going on in public education.

- Following the same theme as the thought above, Koch is pronounced like “coke”, therefore all the “Koch sucker” signs make no real sense.

Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Midas on March 10, 2011 at 10:14 AM

You mean Obama’s chief of staff William Daley with ALL his Wall Street connections will do nothing???

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:17 AM

FIRST! Again.

Damn I’m good.

Bishop on March 10, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Bravo, the US military should NOT be used against US citizens.

Make the Union Cops do their jobs!

Good work Wiscon repubs!

dhunter on March 10, 2011 at 10:17 AM

Where are the Trolls to defend the rioters? Sleeping in or on a Conference Call from “The Rod”, getting today’s talking points?

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 10:18 AM

Following the same theme as the thought above, Koch is pronounced like “coke”, therefore all the “Koch sucker” signs make no real sense.
Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Yeah but it’s witty and insightful, and cool with that new-age hip “Look what I did” feel that liberals love so much.

Bishop on March 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Every Republican that can ought to have his county Sheriff come to the Capitol with some loyal deputies to ensure no harm to the Sheriff’s elected official. Full battle rattle, M16′s full auto lots of Tazer rounds.
Bring them to the side door in a APC if need be.
.
OR to avoid a confrontation have the session moved to a more secure location at some hick town with a small airport , meet at 1630.Mind messing at it’s best,hard to get a big crowd of hostiles in a place far from campus and the bars.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Where are all the dems and their Presstitutes calling for civility?

I hope this doesn’t turn into a Tuscon moment or worse else it will be Palins’ fault!

didn’t she say dissent was Patriotic or some idiotic thing like that?

dhunter on March 10, 2011 at 10:24 AM

I was laughing at Taylor Marsh whining that they did it without any democrat being there. Well, they chose not to be there. Progressives are idiots.

Blake on March 10, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Yeah but it’s witty and insightful, and cool with that new-age hip “Look what I did” feel that liberals love so much.

Bishop on March 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Oh, I know.

I just find the irony wonderfully delicious in that these protesters are really saying to the world:

“I’m supporting my teachers my showing how little I learned in school.”

Heh.

Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Bravo, the US military should NOT be used against US citizens.
The US Constitution,possee commitas.The meaning and intent of the original has been peverted by homeland security.
Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
Nov 24, 2001 … From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, …

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 10:26 AM

didn’t she say dissent was Patriotic or some idiotic thing like that?

dhunter on March 10, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Nancy Pelosi said “Dissent was Patriotic” BEFORE she lost.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Union thugs are an affront to democracy.

Eren on March 10, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Ya know what I hope? I hope that there are some smart, conservitive students out there watching this and thinking, “Hey. Our teachers are showing us the way to solve those problems we have at school, like not being allowed to say a prayer for the football team, or at graduation. Let’s do it THEIR way!”

MikeA on March 10, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Sec. 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of
Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to
execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Editor’s Note: The only exemption has to do with nuclear materials (18 U.S.C. 831 (e)

dhunter on March 10, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Nancy Pelosi said “Dissent was Patriotic” BEFORE she lost.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Quote was screeched by “Hillary Clintoon”!

dhunter on March 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Is there ANY DOUBT that Bill Ayers type liberals would NOT shoot a few students and blame the attack on the police or military?

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM

dhunter on March 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM

I heard Hillary Clinton was Lesbonese like Janet Napolitano too.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:37 AM

The provision in Wis. Stat. § 19.84(3) requires that every public notice of a meeting be given at least twenty-four hours in advance of the meeting, unless “for good cause” such notice is “impossible or impractical.” If “good cause” exists, the notice should be given as soon as possible and must be given at least two hours in advance of the meeting. … If there is any doubt whether “good cause” exists, the governmental body should provide the full twenty-four-hour notice. [...]

Wis. Stat. § 19.97(3) provides that a court may void any action taken at a meeting held in violation of the open meetings law if the court finds that the interest in enforcing the law outweighs any interest in maintaining the validity of the action.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM

unless “for good cause” such notice is “impossible or impractical.” If “good cause” exists, the notice should be given as soon as possible and must be given at least two hours in advance of the meeting. …

I believe the storming of the Capital building constitutes “good cause.”

Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 10:42 AM

The provision in Wis. Stat. § 19.84(3) requires that every public notice of a meeting be given at least twenty-four hours in advance of the meeting, unless “for good cause” such notice is “impossible or impractical.” If “good cause” exists, the notice should be given as soon as possible and must be given at least two hours in advance of the meeting. … If there is any doubt whether “good cause” exists, the governmental body should provide the full twenty-four-hour notice. [...]

Wis. Stat. § 19.97(3) provides that a court may void any action taken at a meeting held in violation of the open meetings law if the court finds that the interest in enforcing the law outweighs any interest in maintaining the validity of the action.
Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Acting like a parrot and repeating talking points won’t help you. This has been addressed by the leaders in the legislature. Because this is in regards to a special session, there is no such notice required, and there wasn’t even a requirement for the notice that they did, in fact, provide.

Steel on March 10, 2011 at 10:43 AM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Whats your point?

BobMbx on March 10, 2011 at 10:43 AM

Anti-union sentiment is going viral!

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,443.msg3737.html#msg3737

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Your dishonesty should be warning to anyone who takes a liberal at their word. Notification rules are modified during special sessions and in fact don’t require any advanced notice other than a posting on the legislative bulletin board. Scott Fitzgerald gave a two hour notice that he didn’t even have to give.

WisRich on March 10, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Need a hanky?

ladyingray on March 10, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Walker may have sacrificed his career to pass this.

WisCon on March 10, 2011 at 1:21 AM

Why? If what he did is the right thing for his state, and it is in my opinion, then his supporters should back him and come out in force for him.
It’s BS that one man should stand alone. He’s a leader so I believe he will inspire others to follow him.
The national and local, right leaning media better start singing his praises and explaining what happened.

Vince on March 10, 2011 at 9:50 AM

If Wisconsin turns out walker then amen to Wisconsin. If such a thing happens then conservative businesses, and people should flee the state.

Finally. I’d suggest the Governor call out the NG, as the union thugs are coming, and they will be armed.

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Oh great…. this is just the opposite of what we needed–a shootout on the capital steps. In all honesty I don’t want to see blood in the streets but if a Union Thug decides to go ballistic (literally) then you can expect all hell to break loose. I don’t see it ending well for the unions.

If I were Governor Walker, I’d suggest holding assembly in a high school gym or some other forum… just to tell the unions how immature they are in thinking that just by barricading the assembly hall that they can somehow prevent an assembly… although logistics would be hell to pay and if the union bosses got word things would get very troublesome really fast…

…maybe a false flag operation to clear out the assembly hall in time for cops to come in? I don’t think we need the national guard mind you but I wouldn’t mind an honest to god militia showing up. Maybe the Governor should raise one.

Chaz706 on March 10, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Judging by the live-stream, I’m guessing the Assembly vote will NOT be held today – there’s still too much chaos in the Capital.

Of course, there’s still a little over an hour left to clear everyone out.

I just don’t see the Capital police co-operating with that venture.

Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Oh look! GrowFins is up. How was your night fins? Take your meds this morning? Should be a fun day!

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Wis. Stat. § 19.97(3) provides that a court may void any action taken at a meeting held in violation of the open meetings law if the court finds that the interest in enforcing the law outweighs any interest in maintaining the validity of the action.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM
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True but since this is a war zone and the law will pass if a court tries to void it, the fleebaggers stay or go just put it back up after 25.5 hours notice and vote it back in. In the meantime book the trespassers,any threats made and verified indite the perp’s for acts of domestic terrorism. Once the perp has a degree from Madison and a rap sheet lots of luck getting a job in the real world.
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A side not to fins.A recent government funded studies has shown the seamen has mood elevating side effects in women since the assorted chemicals involved do alter mood. This effect has not been fully studied on amphibians.
Have a nice day!

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 10:50 AM

At this point I don’t think it matters where they meet. The dems will tell everyone anyway and that could cause even more chaos and really get people hurt. They are better off containing this at the capital.

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 10:51 AM

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 10:48 AM

First NPR and now America watches who the real mob is.

It sucks to be liberal these days…

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Finny! Did the nurses leave their station again this morning?

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Yeah, they seem to be imploding. Nov. really messed them up and now they are seeing everything they accomplished turn into an epic fail.

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 10:56 AM

Hey ,1SG just said do not pick on fins just give it some links to the porn sites so it can calm down.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Anyone else get the feeling that the far left is telling Obama to pound sand with himself?

Obama Calls for Civility in Wake of Tragedy

“At a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized – at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do – it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds,” he said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028370-503544.html

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Most mental institutions have porn filters on their Internet connections So, linking porn will just frustrate her more n

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 11:02 AM

Muammar Qaddafi is offering the unions “air strikes” on Republican homes.

The unions accepted the offer

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Democrats said the fines would have no effect on bringing them back to the state.

That’s because, IMHO, the unions and the DNC will pay the fines.

If I recall correctly, the protesters at Kent were peace protesters, not an armed crowd headed to ‘punish’ elected officials for voting…..

Vashta.Nerada on March 10, 2011 at 10:03 AM

I remember Kent State. The “peace” protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at the NG. Somebody panicked and fired. The “peace” protestors are not exactly blameless. And now those same hippies are in charge of the Democrat party.

abcurtis on March 10, 2011 at 11:07 AM

Well, it’s all over now. Jesse Jackson is here to save all of us from our racist selves!

…anyway, I keep hearing about this call for a general strike.

Call me a Pollyanna, but I just don’t see it happening.

I’m sure some teachers will walk out…

…but I just don’t see firemen, policemen, nurses, etc. risking their jobs in such a bad economy and to do so for someone ELSE.

I think they’ll talk a lot and even be some type of work-slowing (as opposed to work stoppage)…

…but I truly believe (hope?) that they’re smart enough not to risk losing their jobs over something that doesn’t affect them.

Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 11:09 AM

News Reports:

Union protesters are blocking the WI State Assembly doorways in an attempt to stop the vote that is to take place in approximately one hour.

lyfsatrip on March 10, 2011 at 11:11 AM

I remember Kent State. The “peace” protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at the NG. Somebody panicked and fired. The “peace” protestors are not exactly blameless. And now those same hippies are in charge of the Democrat party.

abcurtis on March 10, 2011 at 11:07 AM

I remember Kent State as well.

I remember what happened in Chicago a few years before.

I expect the far left and union thugs to have shooters already assigned with orders to target a few young female students, perhaps a few small children as well.

The left has a plan, a response, and the will to execute.

The radical left Bill Ayers types still want to burn America to the ground.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 11:13 AM

The death threats are coming in against the Republican representatives AND their families, and it is incredibly explicit.

Steel on March 10, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Death Threats

Steel on March 10, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Tobin on Fox just reported the anarchists have gotten into the hallways(let in through a window by a Dem) and the congresspeople are trapped in their offices and can’t get out and business has been called off for the day. I’m sure they fear for their lives and I fear for them. I cannot believe this is going on in my country. This will not end well.

silvernana on March 10, 2011 at 11:15 AM

If we had an actual American President, he would have gone on TV by now to urge the protestors to calm down. But, we know where his heart lies.

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM

I’m pretty sure he is the one calling the shots.

silvernana on March 10, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Union protesters are blocking the WI State Assembly doorways in an attempt to stop the vote that is to take place in approximately one hour.

lyfsatrip on March 10, 2011 at 11:11 AM

***IRONY ALERT***

They are trying to prevent the legislature from meeting and voting…

…all in an attempt to show us what democracy is all about.

Every time these leftists use the word “democracy”, I want to go all Inigo Montoya on them:

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 11:17 AM

Beck said this would happen here, as it happened in Greece. Nobody wanted to believe him.

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 11:18 AM

I said last night I see no upside for them in a strike. The votes been taken. Really all that’s left are the formalities. Plus, if they strike it makes them look even worse. A lot of people are still upset about the school walkouts.

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM

crickets…..

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 11:21 AM

The nurses came back.

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Tobin on Fox just reported the anarchists have gotten into the hallways(let in through a window by a Dem) and the congresspeople are trapped in their offices and can’t get out and business has been called off for the day. I’m sure they fear for their lives and I fear for them. I cannot believe this is going on in my country. This will not end well.

silvernana on March 10, 2011 at 11:15 AM

But but but I thought the liberals were all into civility, rainbows and puppy dogs?

I’m loving the hypocracy on full display.

God be with those staffers – stay safe

gophergirl on March 10, 2011 at 11:23 AM

I’m pretty sure he is the one calling the shots.

silvernana on March 10, 2011 at 11:17 AM

He doesn’t call any shots that don’t involve a small dimpled ball. He is inept and over his head with no more idea of how to solve this mess than Big Bird.

The problem with leftists wanting to take things over is that they never took into account that it might happen and they would have to lead.

darwin-t on March 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Beck said this would happen here, as it happened in Greece. Nobody wanted to believe him.

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 11:18 AM

He’s a whackjob loon and only does his show for money and fame.

darwin-t on March 10, 2011 at 11:25 AM

darwin-t on March 10, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Heh. That’s what they say. He picked a heckuva week to go on vacation.

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Union protesters are blocking the WI State Assembly doorways in an attempt to stop the vote that is to take place in approximately one hour.

lyfsatrip on March 10, 2011 at 11:11 AM.
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At great personal risk,just as the founders showed, I hope the elected legislature will meet.If the session is prevented or disorder continues then the Governor must act to RESTORE THE RULE OF LAW.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Civility does not seem to be their strongsuit. These are the same leftists who burned down the Governors mansion in TX. And then threw hussy fits about the money Perry had to spend on rent.

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM

He’s a whackjob loon and only does his show for money and fame.

darwin-t on March 10, 2011 at 11:25 AM

You mean President Obama, the Great Healer and Messiah for the World, right?

Mmmm…, Mmmm…, Mmmmmmm….
Barack Hussein Obama.

He needed Bill to save the day
And then he QUIT and walked away!!!

Mmmm…, Mmmm…, Mmmmmmm….
Barack Hussein Obama.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 11:29 AM

How can we allow these thugs keep congresspeople trapped – they are literally packed in the halls outside their doors. They should not have to put up with this. Get someone in to clear them out, pronto! Their very lives are in danger. This is effing America! I detest the left with every fiber in my body. They’ve run this country into the ground. This governor needs some support. How long before the people take up arms against these dirty pieces of trash themselves?

silvernana on March 10, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 10:39 AM

The balls of $hit are clogging up your throat again.

csdeven on March 10, 2011 at 11:30 AM

GOVERNOR WALKER!

Declare a STATE OF EMERGENCY and PUBLICLY implore Obama to call off his union thugs.

Obama called for “civility”!

Make Obama WALK THE WALK!

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Heh. That’s what they say. He picked a heckuva week to go on vacation.

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM

It actually is letting him put together a response over a week instead of having to put together a show per day. I’m betting his research team will have a very good program assembled when he come back to the mic.

darwin-t on March 10, 2011 at 11:32 AM

My 15yr. Old just asked got up and was watching video of this madness. When I explained she says ” don’t they have jobs or something? this is Wisconsin not Woodstock”

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM

We all know where this likely is headed.

If You Want Blood (You Got It)

Christien on March 10, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Jimminey Carter was the worst president to date but even he and Brother Billy (Beer) did not manage to light half the world aflame.

Good Job Community Organizer!

Isn’t it about time to Impeach the usurper?

Dollar down, unemployment up, gas prices up, outright armed rebellion in the Mid-East, violent protests in this nations capitals, health care on the way to ruin (with several million waivers for favored friends), deficits at historic highs, in contempt of two court rulings as to the constitutionality of his actions1

Repugnantcans, Time to Impeach, Man, oh to hell with that, Woman up!

dhunter on March 10, 2011 at 11:38 AM

You guys need to go read the email Jwf posted. It is long very specific death threat. Aimed at all the R-Sen. and their families. It is sickening I cannot believe this! It’s CRAZY!!

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Clearly, government cannot be trusted.

That’s what I’ve learned from unions these past few weeks.

So, it’s a tad ironic that these same people vote to give government more power over their lives every cycle.

lorien1973 on March 10, 2011 at 11:45 AM

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