Breaking: Wisconsin Senate GOP to split off collective bargaining bill from budget, pass it separately? Update: Senate passes collective bargaining bill; Update: “Affront to democracy,” says … runaway Dem; Update: Capitol livestream added; Update: No security whatsoever

posted at 7:09 pm on March 9, 2011 by Allahpundit

Question mark in the headline because all we know for sure is that they’ve sent the bill back to a conference committee for unspecified changes. But some of the fleebaggers are squawking that this means they’ve gone for the nuclear option — i.e. rather than include the collective bargaining provisions in a broader budget bill, which they can’t pass without Democrats because it’s “fiscal” in nature, they’re going to strip out the CB part and pass it separately. That’s not fiscal, according to Wisconsin law, so a simple quorum will do.

Two Democratic state senators said they think Republicans plan to pass parts of Gov. Scott Walker’s proposal that take away collective bargaining rights from public workers without them.

Senate Republican leaders weren’t saying why they hastily created a conference committee that’s meeting later Wednesday night.

A source confirmed to WISC-TV that Republican senators intend to remove fiscal portions of the budget bill in order to pass it without Democratic senators.

I read a quote from senate majority leader Scott Fitzgerald somewhere earlier today lamenting that he’d run out of options to try to entice the fugitive Dems back. They weren’t willing to make any deals, they weren’t cowed into coming home by the imposition of daily fines, so there’s nothing left to be done except take away their reason for staying away. There may be a backlash to doing it this way, but the backlash is already in effect via the recall campaigns the left is mounting against them. Like Ace says, probably the best thing they can do for themselves politically at this point is pass the damned thing, get it off the table, and let people cool down as it fades from the media cycle.

Plenty of updates to come, so stand by. Exit question: Don’t you hate it when irregular procedures are used to destroy a de facto filibuster of an unpopular bill?

Update: One of the fugitive Dems inadvertently makes the case for why the GOP should go ahead with this:

Democrats said the fines would have no effect on bringing them back to the state.

“They’ve messed with our staffs,” said Sen. Jon Erpenbach (D-Middleton). “They’ve taken away our parking spaces. They’ve extorted our paychecks. They’ve sent the State Patrol after us. And now they’ve fined us $100 a day.

“I don’t know what more they need to do to get the point that it’s not working.”

Right, it’s not working. It would be out-and-out political suicide for any of them to break ranks and come home so that the GOP can form a quorum, which means there’s nothing further to talk about here. Walker’s not dropping the collective bargaining bill and the Democrats aren’t budging from their demand that the collective bargaining bill be dropped. We’re at a complete impasse, and now the GOP’s going to resolve it. Done.

Update: A detail buried in the same story linked above: With exquisite irony, some of the fleebaggers’ supporters are screeching, “This is not democracy!”

Update: NBC reports that the conference committee has already approved the new split-off collective bargaining bill. Now it’s on to the senate for a vote; the GOP-controlled assembly will vote on it tomorrow. One hitch, though, from the Journal-Sentinel article linked above: Did they follow proper procedure in calling the conference committee?

Republican senators quickly assembled at 4 p.m. to send the bill to a conference committee, which convenes at 6 p.m. They largely declined comment after the meeting.

Attorney Robert Dreps, an expert on the state open meetings law, said he did not believe the conference committee could meet with such short notice.

State law generally requires a 24-hour notice for public meetings, but can be called with just two hours notice when more notice is impossible or impractical, said Dreps, who has represented the Journal Sentinel in the past.

“I can’t imagine how they can meet that standard,” he said.

Update: And just like that, the deed is done:

In 18-1 vote, Wis. Senate approves bill to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights

Update: Via Breitbart, here’s Fizgerald earlier today suggesting that the White House might be coordinating the recall efforts against Wisconsin state senators.

Update: Needless to say, if you’re in Wisconsin and planning to attend what’s sure to be a mega-protest tomorrow as the assembly convenes to pass the senate bill, make sure to bring a camera of some sort. The examples of “new tone” in action should be exquisite.

Update: Fleebagger Chris Larson retaliates with 100 megatons of pure oblivious irony:

What Republicans did was an affront to democracy. Never shall a voter doubt which party stands for the working class, and which for the rich

Update: Here’s Scott Walker’s brief statement congratulating the senate, and here’s a longer one from Fitzgerald. Money quote:

This afternoon, following a week and a half of line-by-line negotiation, Sen. Miller sent me a letter that offered three options: 1) keep collective bargaining as is with no changes, 2) take our counter-offer, which would keep collective bargaining as is with no changes, 3) or stop talking altogether.

With that letter, I realized that we’re dealing with someone who is stalling indefinitely, and doesn’t have a plan or an intention to return. His idea of compromise is “give me everything I want,” and the only negotiating he’s doing is through the media.

Enough is enough.

Update: An important clarification from John McCormack at the Standard. They didn’t split collective bargaining off from the budget bill; they amended the budget bill to remove the provisions that appropriate funds. That’s the “fiscal” part under Wisconsin law. The new bill is still a budget bill, and it still saves money:

The legislation being voted on tonight has few changes from the bill as initially proposed. It would save just $30 million less than the original budget bill by stripping out a refinancing provision. But it would still save the state $300 million over the next two years by requiring state employees to contribute about 5% of income toward their pensions and by requiring state workers to pay for about 12% of their health insurance premiums. It would also save $1.44 billion by requiring public employees in school districts and municipalities to pay 5% of their salaries toward their pensions and by removing collective bargaining for benefits, thus giving school districts and municipalities the option of requiring their employees to pay about 12% for their health insurance premiums.

Update: Wondering how the media will be reporting the news tonight? Well, here’s the headline Reuters came up with to describe a bill that eliminates collective bargaining for PEUs on benefits, but not on wages:

Update: Mama, they’re coming home.

Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller (D-Monona) said they would be back by Thursday. They had been able to block a vote on the bill for three weeks because 20 senators had to be present to vote for it. Republicans control the house 19-14…

Democrats decried the move and warned it could end the political careers of some Republican senators who are under the threat of recall.

“I think it’s akin to political hara-kiri,” said Sen. Bob Jauch (D-Poplar). “I think it’s political suicide.”…

State Sen. Chris Larson (D-Milwaukee) said Wednesday night he attempted to drive back from Illinois to Madison to get to the Capitol before Republicans passed the measure.

Update: I keep hearing rumors on Twitter that Wisconsin unions may call a general strike tomorrow — i.e. a strike of all unions statewide, to show solidarity, not just of the PEUs affected by the bill — but I can’t find anything solid about that on the wires. E-mail us if you see something firm. Ed wrote about the prospect of a general strike a few weeks ago; if it happens, it’s illegal, and it’ll be a test of Walker’s nerve to see if he’s willing to fire people over it. How do you think that’ll play out?

Update: A timely op-ed in tomorrow’s Journal: Scott Walker explains why he’s taken a stand on collective bargaining.

While it might be a bold political move, the changes are modest. We ask government workers to make a 5.8% contribution to their pensions and a 12.6% contribution to their health-insurance premium, both of which are well below what other workers pay for benefits. Our plan calls for Wisconsin state workers to contribute half of what federal employees pay for their health-insurance premiums. (It’s also worth noting that most federal workers don’t have collective bargaining for wages and benefits.)

For example, my brother works as a banquet manager at a hotel and occasionally works as a bartender. My sister-in-law works at a department store. They have two beautiful kids. They are a typical middle-class Wisconsin family. At the start of this debate, David reminded me that he pays nearly $800 per month for his family’s health-insurance premium and a modest 401(k) contribution. He said most workers in Wisconsin would love a deal like the one we are proposing.

The unions say they are ready to accept concessions, yet their actions speak louder than words. Over the past three weeks, local unions across the state have pursued contracts without new pension or health-insurance contributions. Their rhetoric does not match their record on this issue.

Update: In case you’re already on “civility” watch, here’s a livestream from the Capitol of protesters screaming to be let into the building. According to a local reporter, windows and doors on the grounds have already been broken. Tomorrow’s “new tone” should be epic.

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Update: As I write this, accused union buster Michael Moore is on Maddow’s show insisting that this means war. Meanwhile, Josh Barro of the Manhattan Institute wonders how it is that public employees in 25 other states — and in the federal government — have managed to survive without collective bargaining rights.

Update: Here’s video inside the Capitol from the same reporter who’s seeing broken windows on the building already.

Update: Ann Althouse’s husband is at the Capitol and is warning people to stay away. Quote: “ANYBODY CAN GET IN AND ANYBODY CAN BRING ANYTHING IN. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SECURITY WHATEVER.”

Update: The same local reporter who claimed earlier that windows had been broken now says those reports are wrong.


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kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Quick shout out–really good piece you got today: A Smackdown in Madison. Put it up on my FB page.

RepubChica on March 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Now, now, be honest. They said they’d spare [for now] the one “heroic Rep. Senator” who voted No. Didn’t say anything about his family, so assume they’re still at risk.

Christien on March 10, 2011 at 11:54 AM

This is what Civility Looks Like?

WhoU4 on March 10, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Is this a Preview of things to come for the 2012 Election Cycle if the Dem,s don’t get their way ????

wheels on March 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Is this a Preview of things to come for the 2012 Election Cycle if the Dem,s don’t get their way ????

wheels on March 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM

We can only pray that they all run to south of the border.

Roy Rogers on March 10, 2011 at 12:04 PM

From Michelle,
Nice folks with Bill Ayers training.Better see what fins thinks of this kind of letter,does fins approve this message?
.
Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes
will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain
to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it
will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit
that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for
more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in
the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me
have decided that we’ve had enough. We feel that you and the people that
support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing
with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand
for it any longer. So, this is how it’s going to happen: I as well as many
others know where you and your family live, it’s a matter of public records.
We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a
nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn’t leave
it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the
message to you since you are so “high” on Koch and have decided that you are
now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a
demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed
in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent.
This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won’t
tell you all of them because that’s just no fun. Since we know that you are
not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided
to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it’s
necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making
them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families
and themselves then We Will “get rid of” (in which I mean kill) you. Please
understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked
everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel
that it’s worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives
of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and
say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Call in the Cops to clear the rabble, oopppps Union, no will do.

OK then call in the Fire dept to waterhose the waste of oxygen rioters, ooppppsssss Union, no will do.

Wonder why Public Sector employees should not be able to unionize thus terrorize?

If these cockroaches were right wing Christians the cops would have em all in jail or pull a Waco on em, course if they were right wing Christians they would be civil, not there assualting and threatening with death their elected officials.

dhunter on March 10, 2011 at 12:05 PM

RepubChica on March 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Muchos Gracias, ma’am.

kingsjester on March 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Following the same theme as the thought above, Koch is pronounced like “coke”, therefore all the “Koch sucker” signs make no real sense.
Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Yeah but it’s witty and insightful, and cool with that new-age hip “Look what I did” feel that liberals love so much.

Bishop on March 10, 2011 at 10:19 AM

‘Koch’ is so much easier to fit on a sign than ‘Halliburton’.

slickwillie2001 on March 10, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Rush is calling this “mobocracy”

karenhasfreedom on March 10, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Is this a Preview of things to come for the 2012 Election Cycle if the Dems don’t get their way ????

wheels on March 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Yep, times fifty-seven. The idiot Eric Holder has already sent out directions that ‘his people’ will not be prosecuted for thuggery on election day. November of 2012 could get ugly.

slickwillie2001 on March 10, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Wonder if Grow Fins would say the writer of this letter had an ‘ugly heart’.

fossten on March 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM

No fins would get all defensive and say it was sent by a teabaggin racist to make the libs look bad.

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM

These DEMOCRAT union people are a bunch of thugs and freeloaders who do nothing but bully their way to what they want at everyone else’s expense.
On that note: This morning Obambi and Moochelle had a conference on bullying in the White House after they partied away half the night with their basketball buddies. Obama apparently told some more of his narcisstic, me, me, me stories to the children present there, this time about how he was bullied over his name, and his big ears. This, while his friends, some of them sent by him, threaten bodily harm to Republican lawmakers just trying to save their state in Wisconsin. The hypocrisy of these people is unbelievable.

Susanboo on March 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Since at least some democrats are present at the capitol, why don’t the republicans initiate a quorum call and vote on the original bill right now?

ROCnPhilly on March 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Since at least some democrats are present at the capitol, why don’t the republicans initiate a quorum call and vote on the original bill right now?

ROCnPhilly on March 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM

There are no Democrat Senators and the WI Senate is not in session.

Steel on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Rush is calling this “mobocracy”

Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

LOOOOOOSSSSSSEEERRRR!

Apologetic California on March 10, 2011 at 12:38 PM

There are no Democrat Senators and the WI Senate is not in session.

Steel on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Thanks for the clarity. Who have I been getting glimpses of on TV arguing about the legality of yesterday’s vote?

ROCnPhilly on March 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

This protesting thug sure is:
I’ve fallen and can’t find my burger and fries!

Steel on March 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Thanks for the clarity. Who have I been getting glimpses of on TV arguing about the legality of yesterday’s vote?

ROCnPhilly on March 10, 2011 at 12:39 PM

There are different rules, including for meeting notices, when the legislature is in special session. The Dems are stupidly ignoring what they already know to try and score some political points. Shocking, right? ;-)

Steel on March 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Rush is calling this “mobocracy”
Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36

…you fit right in with your comrades in Madison.

PatriotRider on March 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Fins, what are you doing here? Shouldn’t you be marching in solidarity with your friends?

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Update: In case you’re already on “civility” watch, here’s a livestream from the Capitol of protesters screaming to be let into the building. According to a local reporter, windows and doors on the grounds have already been broken.

Misean wins comment of the day: “It’s hilarious to watch religious zealots attacking their holy shrines!”

Rae on March 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

you know what they say about people living in glass houses…

right4life on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Don’t encourage anyone, we need the AstroTurf protesters to leave.

WhoU4 on March 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

you know what they say about people living in glass houses…

right4life on March 10, 2011 at 12:46 PM

I’m still in shock it’s still here from yesterday’s tantrum. Where is the ban hammer when you need it?

ucantbserious on March 10, 2011 at 12:49 PM

Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Considering you and your friend’s moving and mature discussion points…

…I’m really surprised that your side has lost.

/sarc

Religious_Zealot on March 10, 2011 at 12:49 PM

ucantbserious on March 10, 2011 at 12:49 PM

leftists are nothing if not fanatical

right4life on March 10, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Steel on March 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

If its just about points, they should tone it down. WI will be lucky if the capitol building isn’t burned down by the weekend.

Democrat: The party of peace.

ROCnPhilly on March 10, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Fins, what are you doing here? Shouldn’t you be marching in solidarity with your friends?

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 12:44 PM.
.
Be calm the staff will be back from lunch/smoke break soon they have a big load of Thorazine for the fibian,takes about two minutes for the full feel good wham o effect.Plus we need the humor on a rainy day,let it ramble,rock on fins er squiggle on..

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

You have no idea of the pleasure I am getting by your unhappiness with this issue…

… If I didn’t know you slept with your professors and had genital warts, I would ask you out on a date.

Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2011 at 1:03 PM

Steel on March 10, 2011 at 12:42 PM

If its just about points, they should tone it down. WI will be lucky if the capitol building isn’t burned down by the weekend.

Democrat: The party of peace.

ROCnPhilly on March 10, 2011 at 12:53 PM
.
Actually as said before if the thugs do burn down THE PEOPLES HOUSE they will forever cement in the minds of sane folks that they are a clear and present threat to the Republic.There may be a lot of construction needed at Gitmo to hold the Terrorist Bastards.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 10, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Well they are now removing some of them so the assembly can meet. Some kid complained that they grabbed his shoulders and took him out. I hope they were wearing gloves. Eeewww lib cooties!

hboulware on March 10, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

I’m sure Rush laughs all the way to the bank, enjoying your hatred…

ladyingray on March 10, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Call me a softie, but that death threat brought me to tears.

Despicable.

Grace_is_sufficient on March 10, 2011 at 1:19 PM

Fat moron.
 
Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

 
I don’t care for his all-things-(R) cheerleading, but it’s kind of amusing that you’d say “moron” about arguably one of the more successful businessmen in the United States. Hint- that word isn’t quite accurate.

rogerb on March 10, 2011 at 1:31 PM

Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Michael Moore?

Schadenfreude on March 10, 2011 at 1:47 PM

When is the Assembly going to vote?

PatriotRider on March 10, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Michael Moore?

Schadenfreude on March 10, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Don’t make me dig up the video of Moore (the skinny) getting slapped around by Milton Friedman like a deer caught in the headlights.

MeatHeadinCA on March 10, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Fat moron.

Grow Fins on March 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Choke on the balls of $hit in your mouth.

csdeven on March 10, 2011 at 2:09 PM

You have no idea of the pleasure I am getting by your unhappiness with this issue…

Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2011 at 1:03 PM

I crave to lick the tears from grow fins cheeks! Deliciously delicious!!!

Bwahahahahaha!!!

csdeven on March 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM

WTFWCSD?

percysunshine on March 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Unions in WI are making a run on the M&I Bank whereby they have removed $192,000 out of members individual accounts because the unions are taking on an assault of supporters Governor Walker. (Rules for Radicals)

lyfsatrip on March 10, 2011 at 2:46 PM

The bill has passed the Assembly.

Ward Cleaver on March 10, 2011 at 3:22 PM

e bill has passed the Assembly.

Ward Cleaver on March 10, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Thank God. As for the ‘run’ on the bank, what on earth has the bank got to do with this? More insane than usual I’d say. Drudge has live streaming and the bank has a guard at the door and it looks as if no one is allowed in for the moment. Can’t say I blame them. By far most of the protestors look to be under 23 and this is a lark for them.

jeanie on March 10, 2011 at 3:39 PM

If this is what we can expect just from the WI stuff, I can only imagine what will happen when Washington D.C. has to contend with the national stuff.

itzWicks on March 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM

The bill has passed the Assembly.

Ward Cleaver on March 10, 2011 at 3:22 PM

Per Reuters.

Meanwhile, Bill Batchelder, Speaker of the OH General Assembly, is said to be calling for a vote on its version of a PEU rein-in bill next week. Rev. Jess, your bus is waiting.

Barnestormer on March 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Hopefully the Republicans will us this as justification to remove all Union privileges from all public workers.

Slowburn on March 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM

the declaration may or may not be considered a treaty, though it should be. the ilo constitution, on the other hand, was part of the versailles treaty.

The Treaty of Versailles was even before my time,dear.You shouldn’t have been that stoned in history class.Better check those talking points again.

katy the mean old lady on March 10, 2011 at 12:24 AM

It’s moot anyway. The US never ratified the Versailles Treaty. Of course, sesqui knew that, since lefties are always the smartest people in the room, ya know.

ddrintn on March 10, 2011 at 6:52 PM

extrapolate over the entire market. If a teacher, with a masters degree, is only worth $30k, will the local marketing firm pay their masters degree holding employees much more? Of course not.

ernesto on March 10, 2011 at 4:11 PM

So you are equating the value of a degree in basket weaving with a degree in engineering. Try learning a little about supply, and demand.

Slowburn on March 10, 2011 at 6:58 PM

extrapolate over the entire market. If a teacher, with a masters degree, is only worth $30k, will the local marketing firm pay their masters degree holding employees much more? Of course not.

ernesto on March 10, 2011 at 4:11 PM

So you are equating the value of a degree in basket weaving with a degree in engineering. Try learning a little about supply, and demand.

Slowburn on March 10, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Yeah, let’s do some more extrapolation. If a major-league pitcher with a high school diploma makes $15 million a year, then all high-school graduates are in line for that kind of money.

ddrintn on March 10, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Update: NBC reports that the conference committee has already approved the new split-off collective bargaining bill. Now it’s on to the senate for a vote; the GOP-controlled assembly will vote on it tomorrow. One hitch, though, from the Journal-Sentinel article linked above: Did they follow proper procedure in calling the conference committee?

Republican senators quickly assembled at 4 p.m. to send the bill to a conference committee, which convenes at 6 p.m. They largely declined comment after the meeting.

Attorney Robert Dreps, an expert on the state open meetings law, said he did not believe the conference committee could meet with such short notice.

State law generally requires a 24-hour notice for public meetings, but can be called with just two hours notice when more notice is impossible or impractical, said Dreps, who has represented the Journal Sentinel in the past.

“I can’t imagine how they can meet that standard,” he said.

Here is the complaint for the “violation”.

But, according to the Wisconsin Senate Chief Clerk, they were in Special Session, operating under Senate Rule 93 (2)where “no advance notice is required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board.”

They don’t have a leg to stand on.

Patriot Vet on March 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM

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