New Obama EO establishes indefinite detention at Gitmo

posted at 1:36 pm on March 8, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Allahpundit noted yesterday the reversal of Barack Obama on the issue of military commissions at Guantanamo Bay, but as it turns out, that was not the most significant about-face at the White House yesterday.  The Washington Post reports that Obama paired the executive order restarting the military commissions with another that re-establishes indefinite detention of dozens of inmates at Gitmo, a practice that Obama blasted as a candidate during the 2008 election cycle:

President Obama signed an executive order Monday that will create a formal system of indefinite detention for those held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, who continue to pose a significant threat to national security. The administration also said it will start new military commission trials for detainees there.

The announcements, coming more than two years after Obama vowed in another executive order to close the detention center, all but cements Guantanamo Bay’s continuing role in U.S. counterterrorism policy. …

Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said the order vindicated Obama’s predecessor. “I commend the Obama Administration for issuing this Executive Order,” he said in a statement. “The bottom line is that it affirms the Bush Administration policy that our government has the right to detain dangerous terrorists until the cessation of hostilities.”

The executive order applies to at least 48 of the 172 detainees who remain at Guantanamo Bay. An inter-agency panel led by Justice Department lawyers determined that this group could not be prosecuted in military commissions or in federal court because evidentiary problems would hamper a trial. But intelligence assessments also concluded that these detainees remain a serious threat and could not be safely repatriated or resettled in a third country. The administration said it will hold reviews for detainees it plans to prosecute but has not charged.

As King states, the policy of holding those captured in a time of war until the end of hostilities has simply been common practice in warfare for centuries.  The problem this creates for these specific detainees, who are also unlawful combatants under the rules of war and therefore not covered by most of the Geneva conventions for POWs, is that this war will almost certainly have no formal end.  However, that is not the fault of the US but of the terrorists that have conducted warfare against America for almost 20 years, going back to the first World Trade Center attack and through the deadly suicide attack on the USS Cole before 9/11.

When the Bush administration made that argument, his political opponents accused him of “shredding the Constitution,” among other acts, and demanded habeas corpus rights through the federal courts.  Barack Obama was one of those critics, arguing in June 2007 that not only did Gitmo need to be closed but that “we’re going to restore habeas corpus. … We’re going to lead by example – by not just word but by deed. That’s our vision for the future.”  Even before taking office, his team began hitting the backup lights on that statement, however.  By May 2009, Obama himself began hinting that Bush’s policy may not have been so bad after all.

Obama can certainly try to shift blame on the military-commissions reversal on a balking Congress.  It’s going to be more difficult to say the same with indefinite detention.  Those 48 cases wouldn’t have come to the federal courts in any circumstances, whether Congress blocked funding for detainee transfers or not.  Obama had a choice to put them up for military commissions and let the chips fall where they may, but apparently doesn’t want to risk letting some very dangerous men out of Gitmo to have them return to conducting warfare against the US.  That’s entirely Obama’s decision.  Will he have the grace to admit that his predecessor made the right call on refusing to release unlawful combatants while hostilities continue?  I’d call that … unlikely.


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Whistle-blowers, beware. Big brother is watching you.

The Rogue Tomato on May 21, 2013 at 7:23 PM

And yet a troop of them can still be seen marching into the West Wing today in order to receive their marching orders. Pathetic.

WitchDoctor on May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

drip, drip, drip.

myiq2xu on May 21, 2013 at 7:25 PM

“These DOJ folks were Bush appointees, so it’s not Obama’s fault.”

-Libs

portlandon on May 21, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Um, this scandal gets bigger by the hour.

Everyone is reporting on this now.

And the IRS

And Benghazi

dogsoldier on May 21, 2013 at 7:26 PM

http://twitchy.com/2013/05/21/outrageous-did-justice-department-seize-phone-records-of-james-rosens-parents/

Outrageous: Did Justice Department seize phone records of James Rosen’s parents?

Mark1971 on May 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Um, this scandal gets bigger by the hour.

Everyone is reporting on this now.

And the IRS

And Benghazi

dogsoldier on May 21, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I haven’t seen the tipping point yet.

The left is still standing behind their rat-eared coward.

There may be a lot of casualties but it will not reach into the inner circle of the West Wing. The rat-eared bastard apparently is far too important to care about the running of the Executive Branch of government.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

They are looking for a leaker from within…..

they’re paranoid.

ted c on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

It is VERY VERY possible he (OBAMA) knew about it all along.

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Wow, this is strangely reminiscent of a Secret Police operation from East Germany or sumptin!

D-fusit on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Mark1971 on May 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Yes, Fox News noted this evening that Eric Withholder also seized phone records from James Rosen’s parents’ home.

slickwillie2001 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

in the case of Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, a former State Department contractor accused of violating the Espionage Act for allegedly leaking classified information to James Rosen,

Can the same accusation apply to IRS thugs who leaked info about Romney’s and Koch Brothers’ taxes?

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

well said GG..how I feel,anyway.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Outrageous: Did Justice Department seize phone records of James Rosen’s parents?

Mark1971 on May 21, 2013 at 7:29 PM

That’s what you find outrageous?

How about a reporter being named a co-conspirator (as in he was seeking to give classified information to the enemy)? The only reason the rest of this crap happened is because the DoJ declared that Rosen was in collusion with his sources to reveal classified information.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

I noticed that Pappy.
I have meant to mention it.
I haven’t/heard/ seen a peep.
But I am missing so much.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Pretty obvious Comrade O’s belligerent rhetoric directed at FOXnews was taken very seriously by some of his minions.

Dear Leader’s thin skin is making Nixon’s legendary thin skin look like rhinoceros hide.

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 7:34 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

In 2008 you would have been branded a racist for declaring that the Obama administration was this totalitarian. Ed Morrissey would have banned you from HA because you didn’t give the rat-eared bastard a chance to prove what a wonderful leader he is.

Five years later, things are a tad different.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:36 PM

The White House Correspondents’ Association, as you might imagine, is getting somewhat concerned about all of the targeting of the press coming out of this administration, because this is quickly turning into a dangerous-looking pattern:

They aren’t concerned about what the regime is doing to FOXnews. Most of them despise FOXnews.

They are concerned Dear Leader may be investigating them. And they are concerned their sources might clam up.

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Dear Leader’s thin skin is making Nixon’s legendary thin skin look like rhinoceros hide.

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Agreed but there is a slight difference. Nixon’s thin skin was mostly about his policies. The rat-eared coward will not abide any criticism of him directly. If Nixon had that standard he would have died of a heart attack by the end of 1972.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

You notice that, too?

In the 1963 James Bond movie From Russia with Love , the strategy of the criminal organization SPECTRE is compared to three Siamese fighting in the same tank: Two will fight each other to the death while the third will wait its turn to fight the exhausted victor, symbolizing the conflict between the USA and the Soviet Union, with SPECTRE as the fish that waits.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Evil and insidious.

Rode Werk on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

They probably have him locked up in the White House basement with duct tape over his mouth. I mean, if Biden knows ANYTHING, it will come out of his mouth at some point.

CJ on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

DISCLAIMER: I am not in anyway suggesting that Rosen is a spy, merely bringing up the question for discussion, because I feel like the press has published a lot of stuff during other administrations that should have stayed under wraps (not everything, because sometimes the government has to be outed when they are just trying to cover-up political malfeasance with no national security import):

How about a reporter being named a co-conspirator (as in he was seeking to give classified information to the enemy)? The only reason the rest of this crap happened is because the DoJ declared that Rosen was in collusion with his sources to reveal classified information.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

If a reporter publishes classified information and the enemy reads it, how is that substantively different from handing it over in secret?

The sources knew Rosen intended to reveal classified information, by publishing it; how is this not collusion?

AesopFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

well said GG..how I feel,anyway.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I agree. Everything that’s coming out now is completely consistent with everything Obama has done in the past.

INC on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

CJ on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

I really agree with CJ. I just love the Siamese fighting fish strategy.

However, who really knows what goes on in Joe O’ Biden’s mind?

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Obama has done in the past.

INC on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Or insinuated..said.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Update:

Bret Baier has now reported that in addition to records from James Rosen’s work phone, cell phone and email, the DOJ also seized the phone records of James Rosen’s parents.

Yes, his parents.

Zcat on May 21, 2013 at 7:46 PM

and they all laugh with the President at the Correspondents dinner.

rob verdi on May 21, 2013 at 7:47 PM

President Barack Obama told his supporters at a campaign rally – inside a public high school, no less – to vote for revenge! That definitely sounds like something the Rev. Jeremiah Wright would say, comparable to the infamous “Godd—- America” quote and other phrases that he delivered to his masses when Barack Obama was in the audience instead of standing before the masses delivering his own type of hate.

Never have Americans heard a president tell his constituents, just four days before a national presidential election, tell Americans: “Voting is the best revenge!”

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Ronald Machen’s name has come up before in some other leak cases hasn’t it..?

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Best and potentially most lucrative job in America right now: Legal counsel to James Rosen. Hope he sues the shit out of them and, in the process, expose Holder and Obama for the tyrants that they are.

TXUS on May 21, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Is Ronald Machen the insulation for Eric Holder’s misdeeds..?

d1carter on May 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

I agree. Everything that’s coming out now is completely consistent with everything Obama has done in the past.

INC on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

I thought he would be transformational, a new era for the country.

arnold ziffel on May 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Obama said this:

“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.“

Walk down memory lane…

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

He is in remedial “oath of office” training.

hillsoftx on May 21, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Friends..awwww

Left-wing radical Bill Ayers, a longtime friend of President Barack Obama, recently defended the series of bombings that he carried out as a member of the Weather Underground, saying that his bombings were not like the Boston Marathon attack and that America is the most violent country that has ever been created.

Ayers has since served as a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and has been a “family friend” to Obama, who previously lived in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood, where Ayers and wife Bernadine Dohrn reside.

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Don’t see what the MSM is so concerned about. Barry just has Holder keeping his media whores in line.

GarandFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Keep burning those bridges Obama. One by one.

txhsmom on May 21, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Death by a 1000 cuts..
lets go. Slice~

bazil9 on May 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM

And yet a troop of them can still be seen marching into the West Wing today in order to receive their marching orders. Pathetic.

WitchDoctor on May 21, 2013 at 7:24 PM

They no marchers.
They fluffers

burrata on May 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM

OT …
Did the senate just pass an amnesty bill ?

Lucano on May 21, 2013 at 7:59 PM

He’s a nice person, so said Mitt Romney. Gag.

SouthernGent on May 21, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Notice how one person has been remarkably silent on all the Obama scandals?

Joe Biden.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 7:32 PM

You notice that, too?

In the 1963 James Bond movie From Russia with Love , the strategy of the criminal organization SPECTRE is compared to three Siamese fighting in the same tank: Two will fight each other to the death while the third will wait its turn to fight the exhausted victor, symbolizing the conflict between the USA and the Soviet Union, with SPECTRE as the fish that waits.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 7:41 PM

He sits quietly on the balcony, shot gun at the ready.

Lily on May 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM

If a reporter publishes classified information and the enemy reads it, how is that substantively different from handing it over in secret?

The sources knew Rosen intended to reveal classified information, by publishing it; how is this not collusion?

AesopFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

You’ve yet to prove that Rosen knew the information he was getting was classified. The traditional balance is to go out after the leaker and not the reporter. Rosen was named a co-conspirator so that differentiation was moot.

Are you really this stupid?

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

I remember when the government used to hunt down and kill enemies and leave the rest of us alone. They had this wild idea about a Bill of Rights.

They made mistakes, sure, like the incarceration of Japanese Americans and the genocide of American Indians. Racist? Well they sure fried tons of Germans!

And our old LEOs would have sized up the Marathon bomber gang pretty fast and quietly dumped them right back in the Jihad happy pastures from whence they came.

Now we have an alphabet of agencies, a crossword puzzle of issues and a world wide war going on with spending and strategy issues worthy of three dimensional chess.

We need a “reset” button, alright, but it ain’t the one Hillary made a mess of in Russia.

Repeal every law passed since 1928.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Perhaps the WH can see that theyve made their most loyal lap dogs angry and fear losing their cover so theyve convened this little confab at the WH today to try and bolster their national security argument. These MSMers hate Fox News so that doesnt really bother them and Holder testified that the AP stuff was justified. Wonder if their bogus argument will appease the royal azz kissers in the MSM.

neyney on May 21, 2013 at 8:06 PM

AesopFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Go check Supreme Court decisions on this, counselor.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 8:06 PM

It may be a long time before elite East and West coast lefties support someone from Chicago for President again.

It must offend their sense of superior liberal propriety to see raw Chicago style thuggery and ham-handed bumbling incompetence on display now day after day after day. The Chicago Gang gets away with in Chicago because there is no political opposition, the local media is either cowed or fully on board worth the program, and the majority of the population is on the take in one way or another.

When it seemed to be working and no one knew about it the lib elites on the coasts loved it. Or at least they tolerated it. Things have changed.

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 8:07 PM

What would it take to get Jarrett, under oath, in front of congress? I, like many here, suspect most of the current scandals lead through her and maybe even stop before it reaches her sock puppet in the west wing.

SteveInRTP on May 21, 2013 at 8:09 PM

fully on board worth with

farsighted on May 21, 2013 at 8:10 PM

AesopFan on May 21, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Sorry, sir. I get nasty at times and don’t like it when I do.

I meant to say that reporter Rosen is exempt from charges by stare decisis of SCOTUS in numerous cases dating from the famous Pentagon Papers on and was free to accept classified materials and publish them.

IlikedAUH2O on May 21, 2013 at 8:11 PM

I’m really starting to wonder how Obama twists his way out this time. Regardless, his legacy is destroyed, as is any hope of any kind of meaningful legislation in his second term.

It’s over.

Fuhgeddaboudit.

Chris of Rights on May 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

this is working out swimmingly for barry and the schumer gang. Remember, barry decided to bite the bullet on the IRS and AP stories themselves…timing was essential. Weeks of distractions.

Risky..yeah, but barry is a risk taker…he usually wins big with the help of his friends

Will this even make the news?

By a vote of 13-5, the panel approved the nearly 900-page bill that would put 11 million illegal residents on a 13-year path to citizenship while further strengthening security along the southwestern border with Mexico, long a sieve for illegal crossings.

and btw, both Frum and Kristol are agin the bill. Who…aside from corporate lobbyists like Barbour..are for it?

the left is worried about the big impact on wages, while the corporations make big bucks off this…who is for it? Well, aside from Google and KFC…and the DNC who are counting their votes over the next generation?

this is just like barrycare…except that the prog Rs and their big buck donors love it.

r keller on May 21, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Fuhgeddaboudit.

Chris of Rights on May 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

We are not there yet. But the slim window for meaningful legislation in a second term is quickly closing by all these hearings into his administration’s epic misconduct. The hearings this week were supposed to be about amnesty for the illegals or gay marriage. It was not supposed to be about abuse of power, curtailment of civil rights, or perjury by administration officials.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Wow, guys. Really crack team you got there. Bang-up job on protecting and respecting the First Amendment, and all that.

This crew has never and will never give a rat’s a$$ about any of the amendments. Welcome to the start of the jackboot nation.

ghostwalker1 on May 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Update:
Bret Baier has now reported that in addition to records from James Rosen’s work phone, cell phone and email, the DOJ also seized the phone records of James Rosen’s parents.
Yes, his parents.
Zcat on May 21, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Valerie Jarrett is Keyser Soze.

can_con on May 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

sorry to keep talking about immigration. the FT has a big article on what a big Win this was for Silicon Valley

basically, they do not have to offer jobs to Americans first…see? It is great…big rally tomorrow in the markets. More $$$$$$$ than they can count…and the poli-crooks will get their slice. Looks like mario and flake won the lottery!!!!! yay!!!!

/

r keller on May 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

So, somebody should tell Maureen Dowd that while Gibbsy isn’t “reading” her, someone in the White House may very well be “listening” to her.

parke on May 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

My stomach churns whenever this regime even MENTIONS leaks !!!
Ask SEAL Team Six.
Ask the doctor who helped them.
Ask …. shoot, surely we find so many others who’ve paid the price for zero’s arrogant BLARING of leaks !!!

SPIT !!!

pambi on May 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

The media not liking it when their pimp starts tracking their every move?

And why not? The Chicago Big owns his press, they are just his whores turning tricks (stories with the AP/Reuters banner) for him.

Get used to getting beat up you media sluts.

….and just like the battered wife, they go back and want some more thumping so they’ll feel reassured.

PappyD61 on May 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

The funny thing is none of this surprises me. We all knew what he was before he got elected the first time.

Now the world is just catching up.

gophergirl on May 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM

I hope James Rosen and his parents show up on The Daily Show.

monalisa on May 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

The Mooche

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 12:41 AM

I hope James Rosen and his parents show up on The Daily Show.

monalisa on May 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

I hope that Ailes and Murdoch put out any amount of millions to defend the freedom of all the press.

Every sane leftists should help, alas.

They are all tyrants, fascists, never liberal/progressive.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 12:42 AM