NYT: You know, a shutdown sounds good to us

posted at 9:30 am on March 7, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Guess who’s now in favor of a government shutdown?  The New York Times editorial board urges the White House to stand firm against any further cuts to the federal budget in the rump FY2011 budget past the $10.5 billion already offered by Senate Democrats — some of which are hardly new cuts anyway.  Otherwise, the Gray Lady’s lead editorial instructs, Republicans will do “enormous damage” and “threaten[] a recovery” with their supposedly massive and reckless spending cuts:

After letting a highly destructive budget fight fester far too long, the White House finally stepped in late last week to negotiate with the House, which wants to eviscerate nondefense spending. Senate leaders still seem shell-shocked by that breathtaking ruthlessness, and have pleaded with the administration for help in pushing back. The White House needs to do so, and firmly.

“Eviscerate”?  Let’s take a look at the numbers, shall we?  Discretionary spending accounts for $1.3 trillion of the $3.7 trillion budget in FY2011.  The House bill cuts $61 billion of it, which amounts to 1.6% of overall spending, and 4.7% of discretionary spending.  Considering that Democrats increased this part of the budget by 24% since taking control of Congress in 2007, one might think that a rather reasonable readjustment.  Even if we’re talking about “non-defense” discretionary spending, we’re only reducing spending in that area by about 10% (13.6% if referring to “non-security” discretionary spending).  Either way, it doesn’t even undo the massive Democratic spending spree of the last four years.

What would happen if those cuts took place?  The Times predicts an apocalypse, of course:

Republicans claim they will not agree on a penny less than $61 billion, which is too little for some more aggressive freshmen. If the Democrats try to compromise on even half that amount, they will be still be doing enormous damage to many programs and threatening a recovery that is starting to show signs of real life.

At least the Times implicitly admits that Barack Obama lied when he claimed to have met Republicans halfway on budget cuts.  But again, the numbers just don’t hold up.  The Republican cuts amount to 7.8% of Obama’s Porkulus spending, which turned out to have little effect on the economy or on job creation.  Reducing spending by less than one-twelfth of a Porkulus would have even less negative impact on the economy.  Nor does this editorial ever explain what it means by “enormous damage to many programs”.  The editors never mention a single program or the damage less spending will do to it.

The editors then make the argument that conservatives have been making:

There is nothing wrong with having a serious negotiation over long-term cuts, many of which are reasonable and necessary. It is vitally important, in fact, that the two sides begin examining ways to curb the huge growth in entitlement spending, particularly Medicare. House Speaker John Boehner said last week that he was ready to start that conversation, echoing similar calls from President Obama and many others in Washington.

But serious cuts cannot be made against the threat of a shutdown. That discussion should be had over the 2012 budget, not what’s left of the 2011 fiscal year.

Entitlement reforms have to be made through statutory changes, not budget bills, so this is essentially meaningless anyway.  We have to wait for FY2012 for that reason, because Congress has to rewrite law to enact those reforms.  So because we need to wait on entitlement programs for the 2012 budget, the entire discretionary spending portion of a budget with a $1.6 trillion deficit should be ignored?

And have Democrats in Wisconsin heard that serious budget debate shouldn’t take place “against the threat of a shutdown”?

The Times concludes by demanding a shutdown anyway to fight those budget cuts in what can only be called a fit of pique:

Mr. Biden and the Senate should make it clear to the freshman House members who are really driving their chamber’s position that they will not permit reckless cuts this year. Then let the freshmen explain to an angry public why they closed the government’s doors to score ideological points.

In other words, Biden and Reid should refuse to discuss any further cuts, and should shut down the government rather than reduce overall government spending by a grand whopping total of 1.6% and put a minuscule 3.8% dent in a $1.6 trillion deficit.  Then when the shutdown occurs, the Times recommends that Biden and Reid let House freshman explain that the Democrats refused to touch 98.4% of federal spending and think that a $1.6 trillion deficit is so good that they’re willing to shut down the government to keep it intact.

Yeah, that’s a good strategy.  Let’s see how that works out.

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If the Dems won’t cut, shut it down!

If they had passed a budget last year, this wouldn’t be happening…

Khun Joe on March 7, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Its a tarptrap. Set up to say it would be ok, and then once happens, start to demonize Republicans for the tiny but visible effects.

astonerii on March 7, 2011 at 9:35 AM

I’d be wary of taking economic of financial advice from an organization that itself is and has been drowning in red ink for a long time.

The Democrats, of course, are not so prudent.

Good Lt on March 7, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Heh. I’d heard The NYT was going behind a paywall and thought the headline was about their business.

apostic on March 7, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Did someone say apocalypse? YES!

*hurriedly scans through Red Dawn looking for resistance-fighter strategy tips*

Bishop on March 7, 2011 at 9:38 AM

Oh, I thought they were talking about shutting down the NYT. I was all for it.

VegasRick on March 7, 2011 at 9:38 AM

I don’t think the pols are sure which way public opinion will go. This, all by itself, will prevent a shut down I suspect.

jeanie on March 7, 2011 at 9:39 AM

I scan the NYT editorial pages mainly for my daily dose of shrillness.

Their predictable editorials often start with something like “President Obama was wise…” or “When it comes to preventing and mitigating the effects of global warming, among House Republicans, politics trumps science…”

If you read it with the right attitude, it’s as entertaining as a parody would be.

Drained Brain on March 7, 2011 at 9:39 AM

Darn. I thought the headline referred to the NYT shutting down.

erp on March 7, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Exactly when will it be a good time for these cuts according to the Democrats and media(I know, I’m being redundant)? When the economy sucks, they think any attempt to cut the budget or block massive increases in spending threatens to send us into a depression(see Obama, Pelosi & Co. in 2008-09). When we’re in an alleged recovery, they claim any attempt to cut even a fraction of spending will send us back into recession(as they’re all doing now). And when the economy is doing well, that’s when they claim you’re evil personified if you even dare question any increase in the budget.

Doughboy on March 7, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Yeah, that’s a good strategy. Let’s see how that works out.

You would have to have no economic background, no executive experience and no work in the private sector to think that a budget could be…

oh, nevermind.

tomg51 on March 7, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Exactly when will it be a good time for these cuts according to the Democrats and media(I know, I’m being redundant)?

Never.

If the economy’s getting better, cutting spending will kill it.

If the economy’s in the crapper, we need to spend our way to prosperity.

If the economy’s stable, cutting will kill it.

See how their “economic policy” works?

Government grows. All the time. Forever.

Good Lt on March 7, 2011 at 9:43 AM

I’d be wary of taking economic of financial advice from an organization that itself is and has been drowning in red ink for a long time.

The Democrats, of course, are not so prudent.

Good Lt on March 7, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Just like Air America, liberals’ financial sense just doesn’t seem to pass muster. If they can’t stay solvent with THEIR OWN money, do you think they’re going to do so with someone else’s money????? I think not.

search4truth on March 7, 2011 at 9:43 AM

The Republican cuts amount to 7.8% of Obama’s Porkulus spending, which turned out to have little effect on the economy or on job creation.

That should be “little positive effect”.
I maintain that it had a large negative effect on the economy, preventing recovery and sending unemployment through the roof.

Count to 10 on March 7, 2011 at 9:44 AM

I’ll wait to hear from the trolls before I decide what not to do.

A Balrog of Morgoth on March 7, 2011 at 9:45 AM

A shutdown of the NYT sounds good to me to. Oh, they meant a government shutdown……

Vashta.Nerada on March 7, 2011 at 9:46 AM

The NYT and democrats obviously don’t think voters can do math. They are desperately trying to forget Nov. 2, 2010 ever happened.

Mord on March 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM

See how their “economic policy” works?

Government grows. All the time. Forever.

Good Lt on March 7, 2011 at 9:43 AM

I know. My rant was rhetorical. But the problem is we’ve reached that threshold Thatcher warned of where we’ve run out of other people’s money. Now that the “rich” are tapped out, we’re papering over our budget deficits with other countries’ money. And when they cut us off, what recourse will we have left? Printing it? We’re already doing that and even the NYT(I think) would have to know where QE 3, 4, 5, and 6 would lead.

Doughboy on March 7, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Wolverines!

cmsinaz on March 7, 2011 at 9:49 AM

NYT blames the entire budget mess on BOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHH in 4-3-2-1…..

pilamaye on March 7, 2011 at 9:50 AM

The problem is that many people don’t get any information outside the liberal fantasy world. Occasionally someone shatters their fantasy world shell by saying something “politically incorrect” but they quickly shut such talk down by screaming “racist” or something.

If all these people only hear the word “draconian” or “reckless” but are never shown the massive amount of debt we have, that is all it takes for many Democrats to remain in power.

GardenGnome on March 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM

I’d be wary of taking economic of financial advice from an organization that itself is and has been drowning in red ink for a long time.
Good Lt on March 7, 2011 at 9:37 AM

Yup.

Weight of Glory on March 7, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Didn’t Cuomo propose much bigger budget cuts? Yes. Are they attacking him? Not so much.

Seth Halpern on March 7, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Cutting 1.6% of budget “reckless.”

LOL what is “reckless” is not cutting it 10% or 20% !

Paul-Cincy on March 7, 2011 at 9:56 AM

This is what I’ve been predicting for weeks. All significant cuts will fail unless conservatives unite on equal across the board spending cuts to balance the budget in one year.

elfman on March 7, 2011 at 9:58 AM

I wonder if they follow the rantings of Robert Reich?

mizflame98 on March 7, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Bush deficit was bad because……it was too small?

cartooner on March 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM

After letting a highly destructive budget fight fester far too long, the White House finally stepped in

Ya know, the White House could have gotten any super-bloated budget it wanted with a Democrat House last October, but some of them got cold feet before that lil’ ol’ ‘lection thingy.

Mr. Biden and the Senate should make it clear to the freshman House members who are really driving their chamber’s position that they will not permit reckless cuts this year. Then let the freshmen explain to an angry public why they closed the government’s doors to score ideological points.

The House freshmen already ‘splained it to an angry public to get elected. The Senate freshmen elected in ’06 might want to ‘splain to an angry public why they “recklessly” quintupled the deficit from the time they were elected.

Steve Z on March 7, 2011 at 10:03 AM

RECTAL-CRANIAL INVERSION MOMENT OF THE DAY

This quote comes from a union protester arguing with a tea party protestor in Wisconsin, and the union protestor actually says ……

“Why do you have a right to your money?”

Insert witty screen name here on March 7, 2011 at 10:04 AM

LOL what is “reckless” is not cutting it 10% or 20% !

Paul-Cincy on March 7, 2011 at 9:56 AM

I’m wishcasting for 25%.

heshtesh on March 7, 2011 at 10:05 AM

The New York Times exposes that they are nothing but a propaganda tool used exclusively by the democratic party. Any relevance they may have had in the past is now gone as they have lost any objectivity they may have had.

volsense on March 7, 2011 at 10:08 AM

It’s not too early to hang this on the Democrats. As much as they tried to attach it to the Republicans, it’s the Democrats who keep bringing this up. They own it.

Fallon on March 7, 2011 at 10:09 AM

They are defending the indefensible; spending $1.5 trillion more than they take in taxes. I’m not interested in the political gains or losses nearly as much as the financial disaster unfolding before our eyes.

If you want to see just how ridiculous things have gotten, volunteer to do people’s taxes, and see how inconguous the tax code has become. The system is collapsing.

Vashta.Nerada on March 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM

The New York Times exposes that they are nothing but a propaganda tool used exclusively by the democratic party. Any relevance they may have had in the past is now gone as they have lost any objectivity they may have had.

volsense on March 7, 2011 at 10:08 AM

I guess that’s what i get for not paying attention to the NYTimes as i was under the impression they achived that status years ago.

heshtesh on March 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM

Insert, you wonder how they get through life?

cmsinaz on March 7, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Honey Badger don’t…well, you know how it goes.

a capella on March 7, 2011 at 10:26 AM

New York Times

Barry’s B*tches. Swimming in red ink and still carrying water for the idiot Boy Wonder. What intellectual lightweights.

CantCureStupid on March 7, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Yes to reckless spending, no to reckless cuts!

TallDave on March 7, 2011 at 10:35 AM

As a member of the USTPU
United States Tax Payers Union

I’d like to make a motion that we go on strike.

esnap on March 7, 2011 at 10:37 AM

No doubt what is going on in Wisconsin has a lot to do with liberals being very confident that a shutdown will benefit democrats.The publics “we need to make cuts….just not to any of our programs” attitude and the way they have turned the cowardly acts of democrats into a “we the people” moment certainly gives them hope that they can win this delusional financial chess game.

….The times coming out with their “Republicans are extremist for wanting serious cuts” theme is no surprise considering they stated this just last week:

The Hollow Cry of ‘Broke’
NY Times:

“We’re broke! We’re broke!” Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday. “We’re broke in this state,” Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin said a few days ago.
It’s all obfuscating nonsense, of course, a scare tactic employed for political ends. A country with a deficit is not necessarily any more “broke” than a family with a mortgage or a college loan.

This line of “we are not broke” that the democrats have chosen to use is delusional to any thinking, rational person.

But we are hearing it from liberal pundits across the nation in an effort to help Obama’s re-election chances and to keep their tax and spend policies going full steam ahead.

….for a country (according to democrats)that does not have serious debt issues that require tough actions to correct….we sure do have to borrow a lot of money from China.

Call me crazy but having to borrow close to 5 billion dollars a day from China is not a sign of economic stability.

…One thing I would like the liberal economic spin miesters to explain is how they could yell and whine for years that “Bush’s war in Iraq broke the country” but the trillions democrats have flushed down the toilet over the last few years and the massive debt is being “overblown by extremist Republicans”:
Iraq: The War That Broke Us — Not
By Randall Hoven
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/iraq_the_war_that_broke_us_not.html

$709 billion

Obama’s stimulus, passed in his first month in office, will cost more than the entire Iraq War — more than $100 billion (15%) more.
Just the first two years of Obama’s stimulus cost more than the entire cost of the Iraq War under President Bush, or six years of that war.
Iraq War spending accounted for just 3.2% of all federal spending while it lasted.
Iraq War spending was not even one quarter of what we spent on Medicare in the same time frame.
Iraq War spending was not even 15% of the total deficit spending in that time frame. The cumulative deficit, 2003-2010, would have been four-point-something trillion dollars with or without the Iraq War.
The Iraq War accounts for less than 8% of the federal debt held by the public at the end of 2010 ($9.031 trillion).
During Bush’s Iraq years, 2003-2008, the federal government spent more on education that it did on the Iraq War. (State and local governments spent about ten times more.)

….liberals want to act like trillions in excessive spending and massive government waste is not a serious problem but somehow the 700 billion spent on Iraq over 8 years destroyed the country……

Maybe Obama should listen to his own CBO:

CBO chief says debt ‘unsustainable’

The nation’s fiscal path is “unsustainable,” and the problem “cannot be solved through minor tinkering,” the head of the Congressional Budget Office said Thursday morning.

I had no idea that Obama’s CBO was a right wing extremist.
………….absolutely stuck on stupid.

Baxter Greene on March 7, 2011 at 10:41 AM

You would have to have no economic background, no executive experience and no work in the private sector to think that a budget could be…

oh, nevermind.

tomg51 on March 7, 2011 at 9:42 AM

Heh!!!!

Baxter Greene on March 7, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Chris Wallace had a sob story about the Reading is Fundamental cuts. Little kids won’t get free books anymore. And Fox is anti-liberal???

No mention of the program’s administrative costs, no mention of flat test scores, no mention of the high school dropout rate, no mention of the taxpayers who pay for this and all the other progrmas. IOW no mention of the program’s ultimate failure.

PattyJ on March 7, 2011 at 11:11 AM

If the Democrats wanted the FY2011 budget to reflect their priorities, then they should have completed it on time when they controlled all relevant parts of the government.

Rev Snow on March 7, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Obama must have fiscal “tiger’s blood”

“We need a government that lives within its means.”

Obama’s deficit for the month of February 2011 topped Bush’s deficit for all of 2007.

J_Crater on March 7, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Now that the “rich” are tapped out,
Doughboy on March 7, 2011 at 9:49 AM

OH no. They aren’t.
We just have to come up with a new definition of ‘rich’-kulak-style.
Remember when it used to be people making over $250,000?
What will the new rich be?

Honey Badger don’t…well, you know how it goes.

a capella on March 7, 2011 at 10:26 AM

LOL!
You $%*^(^(&# % got it right, my friend!
Now who’s your Honey Badger?

Badger40 on March 7, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Chris Wallace had a sob story about the Reading is Fundamental cuts. Little kids won’t get free books anymore. And Fox is anti-liberal???

No mention of the program’s administrative costs, no mention of flat test scores, no mention of the high school dropout rate, no mention of the taxpayers who pay for this and all the other progrmas. IOW no mention of the program’s ultimate failure.

PattyJ on March 7, 2011 at 11:11 AM

And we should wonder why the federal govt has any involvement in raising people’s kids for them in the 1st place.
Like for instance, why:
1. do we have to feed other people’s children breakfast at school?
2. do we have to feed other people’s children lunch at school?
3. do we have to provide other people’s children snacks at school?
4. do we have to provide free transportation for other people’s children to go to school?
5. do we have to provide school sports uniforms for other people’s children at school?
6. do we have to provide counseling services for other people’s children at school?
7. etc..
I could also ask why Title I Targeted Assistance funds are only spent on a few children at school = your tax dollars.
This creates a special class of children who get special privileges to use special equipment only for them purchased with tax dollars.
Meanwhile, other departments in the school cannot access that equipment bought with those funds.
Why is this so?
Hmmm?
The Dept of Ed: DEFUND IT NOW.
Along with, for example:
USDA
FDA
ATF
Dept Homeland Security
EPA
Oh there is so much more $$ that can be saved.
I’ve only scratched the surface here.

Badger40 on March 7, 2011 at 2:31 PM

The Times predicts an apocalypse, of course:

Well, they musta bin reading the Bible because the apocalypse was in there first. Over a year ago, at least. The apocalypse says God is going to intervene. He’s going to fix things. I suggest you avoid that trial — ASAP! Oh, yeah, the other thing: apacalyps is MY name, so dont wear it out. (apacalyps leaves skipping and hopping, la, la, la….)

apacalyps on March 7, 2011 at 5:07 PM