The All Naked Bradley Manning Show

posted at 2:00 pm on March 6, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

Another week passes and another bizarre story emerges concerning the case of alleged traitor Pfc Bradley Manning, currently a long term guest of the United States Marines at the Quantico brig. This time it seems that feathers are being ruffled over a report that Manning is being forced to strip naked during sleeping hours and for morning muster.

The Brig has stripped PFC Manning of all of his clothing for the past three nights, and they intend to continue this practice indefinitely. Each night, Brig guards force PFC Manning to relinquish all of his clothing. He then lies in a cold jail cell naked until the following morning, when he is required to endure the humiliation of standing naked at attention for the morning roll call. According to Marine spokesperson, First Lieutenant Brian Villiard, the decision to strip him naked every night is for PFC Manning’s own protection. Villiard stated that it would be “inappropriate” to explain what prompted these actions “because to discuss the details would be a violation of PFC Manning’s privacy.”

This, of course, has the usual suspects up in arms, describing this treatment as everything from brutalization to being on par with Abu Ghraib style torture.

Even my friend Doug Mataconis, an attorney and one of the more sane voices on the web, raised questions about the propriety of this treatment.

If he’s convicted of these charges, he deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. While he’s awaiting trial, though, and even after he’s convicted, he still must be treated humanely and, at present, Manning is receiving worse treatment than a Prisoner Of War would, and the only purpose behind it seems to be to break him psychologically. That’s simply unacceptable.

So what was the mysterious course of events that led to this decision to strip Manning down each night? It’s provided, ironically enough, by one of his biggest cheerleaders at Fire Dog Lake.

In response to PFC Manning’s question, he was told that there was nothing he could do to downgrade his detainee status and that the Brig simply considered him a risk of self-harm. PFC Manning then remarked that the POI restrictions were “absurd” and sarcastically stated that if he wanted to harm himself, he could conceivably do so with the elastic waistband of his underwear or with his flip-flops.

Mystery solved. Jane Hamsher excuses Manning’s “sarcastic” remark as justifiable given his frustration at being kept under special watch to ensure he doesn’t harm himself. (Not a surprise, since she and Glenn Greenwald would probably find a way to laud his actions even if he – or Julian Assange – were found feeding kittens into a wood chipper.) But in the military we had a different way to describe something like that. It’s known as mouthing off or being a smartass. And doing so to your superiors is generally not a wise move under the best of circumstances, say nothing of when you’re in the hoosegow on charges which equate to treason.

But can this treatment really be justified? There are two points to address on this front.

First and most simply put, Manning made the comment about being able to kill himself with his underwear, sarcastic or not. Can you imagine what would be said if the brig commander did nothing and then he actually did turn up dead in his cell by his own waistband? It would be a movable feast for the media and several careers would come to an abrupt end. How does the commander ignore something like that?

The second point is a bit more complicated and far less clear, and one that we’ve touched on here in the past. It boils down to some of the fundamental differences between civilian society and the military community. Just as civilians, used to all their freedoms of free speech, etc. don’t understand the restrictions on military personnel, those familiar with the civilian justice system are frequently shocked by many of the “unofficial” aspects of the U.C.M.J. Lots of things like this go on all the time in the military, or at least they used to back in the day. But normally you don’t have the civilian press watching and reporting on it.

Does that make it right? I leave that to the judgment of the reader.

Also, life in the military in general is just a bit more physical and harsh than in the civilian world. A lot of things happen which would probably shock many of you who have never served. In the Navy, for example, there is an old tradition of an initiation rite of passage the first time a sailor crosses the equator on a war ship. It is the time when you graduate from being a “pollywog” (or just “wog” for short) to being a “shellback.” Trust me, it’s an ordeal, usually lasting 24 hours or more.

The third time I made the passage, two enlisted men wound up in sick bay with broken arms. Everyone got to experience the joys of crawling through plastic chutes filled with garbage, rotting food and bilge water, all the while being “herded” by shellbacks wielding foot long lengths of fire hose, loving called, “shillelaghs.” (During my own initiation it took more than a week before the bruises finally faded.) And this is all for your friends who have done nothing wrong.

I’ll leave it for one of the veteran submarine sailors to tell you about the grand old tradition of having your dolphins “tacked on” if they wish to do so in comments.

So I suppose our final question is, does any of this make it acceptable for Manning to be treated in this fashion, either to cover the brig commander’s butt or for the sake of teaching a lesson to somebody mouthing off to their superiors? I really don’t know. Maybe we do need to shine a light on this and review military procedures, both official and “under the covers.” But I do know that life in the military community is a lot different than in the civilian world, and having lived it for a number of years myself, this story honestly didn’t shock me at all.

(The author would like to apologize in advance to friends, family and readers for the title of this column. What can I say? The devil made me do it.)

Now you can yell at Jazz for being a stupid, wrong-headed RINO even faster than by leaving a comment. Follow him on Twitter! @JazzShaw

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Stand him up at 30,000 feet for all I care. Clothed or naked.

Limerick on March 6, 2011 at 2:04 PM

One way to commit suicide is to fill your mouth and nose with clothing fiber and asphyxiate yourself.

RBMN on March 6, 2011 at 2:04 PM

TSA scan?

mjbrooks3 on March 6, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Can I mail him some good rope ?

William Amos on March 6, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Does that make it right? I leave that to the judgment of the reader.

Third point: As already noted, there is a privacy consideration. Manning may very well have made more overt threats to his own life. Also, this may be a disciplinary measure for violations of the rules. It’s all based on behavior mod. If Manning wants better treatment, he should behave better.

Blake on March 6, 2011 at 2:13 PM

I heard that he asked his guards to strip, and they misunderstood him.

Akzed on March 6, 2011 at 2:13 PM

He’s probably not wearing underwear any longer.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Who cares?

Tuck him in tonight with some rat poison, a few bottles of pills, a bucket of black mambas, a box of razors, and an mp3 player filled with The Cure’s Greatest hits.

reaganaut on March 6, 2011 at 2:16 PM

I think there’s a lesson here. Something about DON’T COMMIT TREASON if you don’t want to wind up in a military jail.

Rational Thought on March 6, 2011 at 2:18 PM

So I suppose our final question is, does any of this make it acceptable for Manning to be treated in this fashion, either to cover the brig commander’s butt or for the sake of teaching a lesson to somebody mouthing off to their superiors

Works for me.

katiejane on March 6, 2011 at 2:18 PM

A crook takes your things because he is a crook.
A traitor takes your trust and sticks it in your back then wears it like a some hellish badge of honor. Manning has nothing to abuse, nothing worth mentioning anyway. May justice send him to the jury he planned to betray.

Limerick on March 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM

The dude’s a traitor. Let him suffer.

AZCON on March 6, 2011 at 2:22 PM

How about a soldering iron to his gonads?

And then shoot the S.O.B. traitor.

nimrod on March 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Please change this article’s title. Nightmarish visions of this.

Shy Guy on March 6, 2011 at 2:25 PM

I spent 4 years in the Marines in the early 80s,most of that time I was guarding prisoners in the Quantico brig. I am sure they are keeping him in a cellblock that we called back then CB2.It was a small cell with a concrete bed with a mattress on top,a pretty tough place to stay.
If he joked about suicide even back then it would have been taken very seriously and the appropriate steps would be taken.
Also the Marines and Sailors that I served with as guards were always profesional and carried out our duties that way.

creek on March 6, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Stupidity can be terminal. This moron is working on it.

Slowburn on March 6, 2011 at 2:31 PM

A few months later, on April 16, 2009,President Obama ordered the release of four Justice Department memos that described in detail the techniques used to interrogate KSM and other high-value terrorists. This time, not just Hayden (who was now retired) but five CIA directors – including Obama’s own director, Leon Panetta — objected. George Tenet called to urge against the memos’ release. So
did Porter Goss. So did John Deutch. Hayden says: “You had CIA directors in a continuous unbroken stream to 1995 calling saying, ‘Don’t do this.’” In addition to objections from the men who led the agency for a collective 14 years, the President also heard objections from the agency’s covert field operatives. A few weeks earlier, Panetta had arranged for the eight top officials of the Clandestine Service to meet with the President. It was highly unusual for these clandestine officers to visit the Oval Office, and they used the opportunity to warn the President that releasing the memos would put agency operatives at risk. The President reportedly listened respectfully-and then ignored their advice.

With these actions, Barack Obama arguably did more damage to America’s national security in his first 100 days of office than any President in American history.

See the book Courting Disaster, for perspective on real punishment, and why. This sissy is a flea in the scheme of things. The West declines way more exponentially than Rome did. It’s self-inflicted, sadly.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Jazz, I’m forced to disagree. Those rites of passage you described are meant to be worn as a badge of honor, and would not be willingly ascribed to someone who was adamantly disliked by his peers.

The shine is off the apple by now, but there should not have been any amount of measure of special treatment granted to Manning. He should not have been granted any special treatment of any kind, even in the interest of his own safety. Thus even if he did self-terminate, it could not be argued that it was due to any kind of excessive scrutiny of Private Manning, as he is not “guilty” of anything. He is an ordinary prisoner and ought to be treated as such.

This goes out the window if there was already an existing SOP of a prisoner who shews suicidal tendencies. But in this regard, what can you do? As far as the media is concerned, a prisoner who has been convicted of no crime expressed suicidal thoughts or tendencies, and you put him through the addition mental stress of making him sleep and be accounted for in the buff. You can’t just give him his pants back now, can you? If he didn’t want to kill himself before, he sure does now that all his guards have seen him nakee.

Sgt Steve on March 6, 2011 at 2:39 PM

He must feel awful during a shower. Poor guy.

Pffft.

BKeyser on March 6, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Give him a fair trial and then shoot him.

davo on March 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM

You can’t say bomb on an airplane and expect to remain onboard. You also can’t say you are planning to strangle yourself with your underwear while on suicide watch and expect to remain clothed.

BohicaTwentyTwo on March 6, 2011 at 3:05 PM

SOOOOOO- Making someone sleep in the raw is cruel? What % of Americans do so nightly?

3dpuzzman on March 6, 2011 at 3:07 PM

and an mp3 player filled with The Cure’s Greatest hits.

reaganaut on March 6, 2011 at 2:16 PM

He likes Lady Gaga. I say give him exactly one Lady Gaga song.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Hearing this news…

… Barney Frank worked himself into a lather, and demanded a visit.

Seven Percent Solution on March 6, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Such compassion from the Christianist liberty lovers.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Par for the course for these torture experts.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Sorry he has to sleep in the buff, but we mustn’t cheat the hangman waiting at the end of this party…

Regarding (Navy) “crossing the line” ceremonies: I crossed the Equator exactly one time in 1985 on USS KITTY HAWK (aircraft carrier, all male at the time)… It started pretty early for us polliwogs (0400 or 4 a.m.), with an inside out uniform (pants and shirt) and having to crawl on our hands and knees everywhere (even up and down the ladders)… A long day, but NOT a 24 hour thing… And I threw EVERYTHING over the side after I was done, including shoes and underwear… The Navy HAS toned it down a bit since then…

Khun Joe on March 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Yes, Skippy. We love our liberty. That is why this traitorous cretin torques off those who love our country and the freedom it gives us so badly. As far as our Chiristianity goes, we know where our individual salvation stands. it’s all about priority. Just ask your president.

kingsjester on March 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Naked is torture? Please, no self portrait links.

BKeyser on March 6, 2011 at 3:29 PM

The conditions under which PFC Manning is being held have the potential to degrade his fitness to stand trial, and you can count on his lawyer to try to make a point of that. There is no need at all to create conditions which would compromise that, or to provide yet another pretext for appeal.

If the military can justify this treatment, then they should do just that, and not hide behind “It was a situationally driven event but to go into detail about it would be inappropriate because it would violate the detainee’s privacy.” They can get permission from David Coombs, PFC Manning’s attorney, to disclose, and if Mr Coombs refuses permission, then the military can say exactly that, and all complaints concerning the conditions under which he is being held disappear.

As for Mr Manning being able to kill himself with his yellow-and-brown stained boxers, let him!

Dana on March 6, 2011 at 3:31 PM

I remember having to strip and shower in gym class in high school, many years back. If high school girls can cope, I expect this guy can.

If he’s ashamed of what he’s got, nobody can help that. I see nothing cruel about it. Jail is supposed to be unfun.

jodetoad on March 6, 2011 at 3:36 PM

I have had 5 hours with my Airman son this weekend after 2 years of not seeing him at all.

I have very much I want to say but I don’t want to get banned.

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Par for the course for these torture experts.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Good on it. Nobody takes suicide threats as a joke any more. His joke backfired on him big time. I think the single Lady Gaga tune — 24 hours a day — has potential. After all, that’s how he got the stuff out — on a CD labeled Lady Gaga.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Dana on March 6, 2011 at 3:31 PM

They are not hiding behind anything. They can not reveal his medical records, which includes psych, to others. We already know he made some sort of statement that they believed he was at risk. He can sleep naked or go into four point restraints, if you prefer. Sleeping naked is not going to impact on his ability to defend himself. That’s crazy talk.

How many people here sleep naked?

Blake on March 6, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Such compassion from the Christianist liberty lovers.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:13 PM

fins, I’m proud of you, you just read Alinsky, huh?

faraway on March 6, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Oh, also meant to say-

Doesn’t this guy look like Alfred E. Newmann? (Mad Magazine)

jodetoad on March 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM

The Cure’s Greatest hits.

reaganaut on March 6, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Oh the humanity.

TexasDan on March 6, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Such compassion from the Christianist liberty lovers.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Ah, Christianist. One learns a new epithet launched by the left every day.

Usage: The Anti-Choice Christianist tried to stop the expulsion of the womb worm.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 3:42 PM

How many people here sleep naked?

Blake on March 6, 2011 at 3:38 PM

Every night…

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Okay, because he made some sort of threat regarding suicide they:

1. Take his clothes away at night. the horror!

2. In the am he has to stand at attention until they come around and take roll and give him back his clothes. Big effin deal! You think he’s not naked when he showers?

Blake on March 6, 2011 at 3:42 PM

How did this guy ever get through basic if he was this much of a smart*ss?

You’d think that his own squadmates would have taken matters into their own hands, a la Full Metal Jacket, if his mouth kept getting all of them into trouble.

teke184 on March 6, 2011 at 3:43 PM

ladyinflagrante :)

faraway on March 6, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Such compassion from the Christianist liberty lovers.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Neither compasssion nor Chirstianity has anything to do with it. This is about you do that, we do this. Don’t like it? Don’t venture out of mom’s basement then.

Limerick on March 6, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Par for the course for these torture experts.
Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Well they are military which explains your contempt.

Akzed on March 6, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Send him, fully clothed, in with the general population. The dude is a traitor. THAT would be cruel.

What is funny to me is the lack of coverage this “torture” gets in the MSM since 2008. No daily american death counts, no “pain at the pump” stories. It’s almost like they like Obama more than they did GWB and are reporting accordingly!

Par for the course for these torture experts.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Gee, it is almost like you don’t think Obama has the same control over the military that Bush did! Why is that?

Mord on March 6, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Doesn’t this guy look like Alfred E. Newmann? (Mad Magazine) jodetoad on March 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM

A gay Alfred E. Neuman dressed up for a Holloween date with GrowFins..

Akzed on March 6, 2011 at 3:47 PM

No daily american death counts, no “pain at the pump” stories.

No daily “homeless” stories…

Blake on March 6, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Jazz, Doug Mataconis is not a sane voice anywhere. He claims to be a libertarian when he is really just quite liberal. He works in an echo chamber with radical lefties who seldom disagree with him. He seems to have PDS as he constantly demeans and degrades Sarah Palin and can be found on the left side of most issues. In my opinion, he has hijacked OTB and moved it into the same area held by KOS.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on March 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Sounds appropriate for an incarcerated, potentially suicidal inmate to have anything removed that he could use to off himself.

As to the right of passage issue…

If any of you try to start up a Massa-style “tickle fight” with me, I will shoot you. Dead.

kringeesmom on March 6, 2011 at 3:59 PM

The Cure’s Greatest hits.

reaganaut on March 6, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Oh the humanity.

TexasDan on March 6, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Perhaps he should be taken to the capitol building in Wisconsin for a drumming session.

kringeesmom on March 6, 2011 at 4:03 PM

So turn up the thermostat in his cell so his “junk” doesn’t shrink overnight, give him his trial, and if he’s found guilty, take him out a shoot him.

tpitman on March 6, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Stop treating this guy like this. Take him out and hang him. End of treatment.

Wade on March 6, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Would it be okay if I mailed him a sturdy rope hammock?

It disassembles easily.

Just so he’s comfy.

profitsbeard on March 6, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Pvt Manning should thank his lucky stars the Marines/Navy have done away with their ‘red line’ Brigs. Talk about being in hell…

Dana on March 6, 2011 at 3:31 PM

IF the military can justify this treatment? You wrote the answer yourself–military. Pvt. manning is still in the military and this is a military brig. He is still subject to military discipline as well as lawful orders. He is a prisoner, which means the rules he lives under are stricter than for non-prisoners. Since he’s in Marine custody, he will abide by Marine discipline and the notion that it could compromise his fitness to stand trial is ridiculous. That’s like saying boot camp compromises your ability to serve on active duty when you graduate.

cartooner on March 6, 2011 at 4:12 PM

I think this says it best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtFjKZgjIJ4

RealMc on March 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 3:23 PM

I have had 5 hours with my Airman son this weekend after 2 years of not seeing him at all.

I have very much I want to say but I don’t want to get banned.

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 3:37 PM

F U, you sorry bastard.

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM

If I get banned for that comment and Grow Fins doesn’t, well so be it. That will only mean this place has gone to hell in a hand basket. I’ve defended this place to my friends, we’ll see what happens….

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:25 PM

F U, you sorry bastard.

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM

duly seconded.

now to starve “GF” for attention…..momma’s basement must be a lonely lonely place………

RealMc on March 6, 2011 at 4:25 PM

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:25 PM

you’ll have company by God.

RealMc on March 6, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Everyone got to experience the joys of crawling through plastic chutes filled with garbage, rotting food and bilge water, all the while being “herded” by shellbacks wielding foot long lengths of fire hose, loving called, “shillelaghs.” (During my own initiation it took more than a week before the bruises finally faded.) And this is all for your friends who have done nothing wrong.

Manning needs to be shot at dawn. But seriously. WTF is wrong with you guys?

watson007 on March 6, 2011 at 4:27 PM

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Please tell your son that at least one HA reader wished him and his mom the best as he serves the nation away from home.

“She also serves who stands and waits.”

Akzed on March 6, 2011 at 4:30 PM

teke184 on March 6, 2011 at 3:43 PM

he didn’t get through basic being a smart ass. Forget his peers, he would never have made it past the DIs.

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:31 PM

I’ve got 10,000 tons of compressed “Give a Shirt” for Manning.

HondaV65 on March 6, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Manning needs to be shot at dawn. But seriously. WTF is wrong with you guys?

watson007 on March 6, 2011 at 4:27 PM

You should hear the tales of a Marine friend of mine who crossed the equater…

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:38 PM

I’ve defended this place to my friends, we’ll see what happens….

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:25 PM

More likely than not, in order for you to be banned, someone would have to complain.

/crickets

;)

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Nothing is happening to Manning that doesn’t happen to prisoners in civilian prisons and jails. If you act out, they will throw you into a cell naked. If you are a threat to yourself, they will strip you and put you in a padded room. As I said earlier, if he wants better treatment he needs to behave better. Instead, he whiiiiiiines!

Blake on March 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Manning’s conditions are as follows.

23 out of 24 hours in his cell. Not allowed to exercise.

1 hour per day he’s allowed to walk outside in a cage and walk in a circle. If he stops walking he’s sent back to his cell immediately.

He’s forced to strip and sleep naked. If he manages to curl up outside of the guard’s view, he’s woken up immediately.

He then submits to inspection, naked.

He hasn’t been convicted of any crime.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM

If you were a cynical person, you might think the government was trying to break him so he gives up julian.

But obama wouldn’t do that, would he?

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:50 PM

He hasn’t been convicted of any crime.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Military prison has different rules than civilian prison.

OmahaConservative on March 6, 2011 at 4:50 PM

He hasn’t been convicted of any crime.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Have you bothered to read a goddam word Jazz wrote? Manning is getting better treatment from his guards than Naval sailor “wogs” get from their shipmates in the course of routine hazings. Holy Jeebus some of you guys are THICK…

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Military prison life has different rules than civilian prison life.

OmahaConservative on March 6, 2011 at 4:50 PM

FIFY, OC.

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Yea, but that’s for a day. It ends. This doesn’t.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:52 PM

He hasn’t been convicted of any crime.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Who cares if he has been convicted. He admitted his crime, while other have chosen to die on the battlefield.

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Yea, but that’s for a day. It ends. This doesn’t.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:52 PM

And your point? He is a military enlistee and is not subject to the same protections and guarantees of rights that civilians are. If that bothers you, too freakin bad.

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 4:54 PM

This isn’t about manning, it’s about assange. Assange hasn’t done anything illegal, though. The government can’t charge him with anything – all he did was accept classified information and release it – if you arrest him you might as well arrest the editor of the new york times.

But if manning were to.. give up assange, say he persuaded him to leak the information, or asked him to.. THEN THEY GOT HIM. This is all about getting assange.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Yea, but that’s for a day. It ends. This doesn’t.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Oh, waaaaaaaaa. You and he need to just curl up in a ball and suck your thumbs…p*ssy

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:56 PM

you know its amusing, the tea party claims to care about the constitution but only when it suits them.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:56 PM

If you’ve followed the Manning case much at all, you know that he could have had better conditions every step of the way merely by demonstrating the level of cooperation expected from the average 6th grader. (Even today’s 6th grader, whose level of cooperation is more like what a 1st grader used to deliver.)

Manning’s outside advisors have encouraged him to believe himself a hero of the resistance, when if they wanted to actually help him, they would encourage him to behave himself in lock-up.

The Marine brig commander is under orders to deliver Manning intact for his court-martial. He may or may not have the manpower to put an observer on Manning every second of the day to keep him from committing suicide. Manning has been making it harder on himself with incessant misbehavior, hysteria, and threats.

It isn’t necessary to wish vengeance on Manning to understand how the Marine commander arrived at this policy. Manning could have better conditions in 48 hours by changing his own behavior. Those who think, like Manning and his cheering squad at Firedoglake, that we could all live just fine without authority and order have a big comeuppance coming, probably in our lifetimes. But 98% of what The Man has to do about you, or to you, is dictated by your own inability to control yourself.

J.E. Dyer on March 6, 2011 at 4:57 PM

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:48 PM

He’s NOT a civilian … sorry.

Several times, as a military member, I was put in a room with other men, placed in a military formation – told to strip naked, bend over and was inspected for hemorrhoids. I never did anything wrong.

All through basic training and advanced training – I never got a private room – never got a private shower – and never had a toilet that had a door on it.

And I’m supposed to be upset because the guy is forced to sleep naked? The way a huge chunk of Americans do voluntarily every night in their own beds?

Please ..

HondaV65 on March 6, 2011 at 4:58 PM

But if manning were to.. give up assange, say he persuaded him to leak the information, or asked him to.. THEN THEY GOT HIM. This is all about getting assange.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:55 PM

You are a sadly deluded individual. Bradley Manning will never see the light of day again, regardless of what he says about Assange. I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if that nancy-boy Manning already sung like a little yellow birdie already. It doesn’t change anything. He is a traitor, he will be found guilty in due process by military terms, and I am not in the least bit ambivalent as concerns the moral rectitude of life imprisonment in this case.

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 4:58 PM

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:56 PM

LOL!!!

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:59 PM

you know its amusing, the tea party claims to care about the constitution but only when it suits them.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Military enlistees are not subject to the constitution. They live under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which is a completely different set of guarantees and protections (some of which have constitutional parallels, others which do not). Your ignorance in the matter is astonishing.

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 5:00 PM

yes, he’s a traitor and he will spend the rest of his natural life in a military prison. I’m WITH YOU on that.

I’m just telling you what’s really going on here. There are other factors influencing events here, and you ignore those at your own peril.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:00 PM

nancy-boy Manning

Ah, the impartial voice of reason.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 5:00 PM

There are other factors influencing events here, and you ignore those at your own peril.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:00 PM

I think we’re pretty safe to ignore your idiotic rantings.

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Military enlistees are not subject to the constitution.

Yet they swear to uphold it. It’s literally the first thing you do after MEPS.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

F U, you sorry bastard.

ladyingray on March 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Can a female be a “bastard”? GF is a female, though not a lady.

p.s. note that G F could easily replace the F U.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

This isn’t about manning, it’s about assange. Assange hasn’t done anything illegal, though. The government can’t charge him with anything – all he did was accept classified information and release it – if you arrest him you might as well arrest the editor of the new york times.

But if manning were to.. give up assange, say he persuaded him to leak the information, or asked him to.. THEN THEY GOT HIM. This is all about getting assange.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Your hypothesis is rank amateur – you should form conspiracy theories with rockmom – oh wait – if you are male you might be unqualified for that position.

But oh well – the fact is ASSange is OUT OF REACH of American jurisdiction – if we can’t Roman Polanski back – we’ll never get ASSange.

So there goes your theory – up in smoke. Sorry about that.

So let’s just take the military at it’s word here that Manning is a danger to himself and they are taking the active steps necessary to protect him from himself.

If I’d done what he has – I’d try to kill myself too.

Human Waste.

HondaV65 on March 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

If you think the government doesn’t want assange’s head, you’re just not paying attention.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Ah, the impartial voice of reason.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Did I claim to be impartial in this matter, douchebag? Quite to the contrary, I said I am not in the least bit ambivalent. If Bradley Manning ends up spending the rest of his earthly life sleeping in his birthday suit in a solitary cell in The Castle, I say good riddance to bad military rubbish. You must have me confused with someone else who thinks this is some sort of moral dilemma.

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Yet they swear to uphold it. It’s literally the first thing you do after MEPS.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

No … they don’t. They swear to “support and defend” it – that is not UPHOLDING.

HondaV65 on March 6, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Yet they swear to uphold it. It’s literally the first thing you do after MEPS.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Swearing to uphold the constitution is quite possible while one is not subject to it.

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 5:04 PM

If you think the government doesn’t want assange’s head, you’re just not paying attention.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:02 PM

If the government wanted his head they’d have it already. There are plenty of CIA special ops guys who would KILL to get the assignment!

HondaV65 on March 6, 2011 at 5:04 PM

its nice that you admit that this is not constitutional, though.. glad we agree..

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:05 PM

No … they don’t. They swear to “support and defend” it – that is not UPHOLDING.

HondaV65 on March 6, 2011 at 5:03 PM

I stand corrected. Either way, Bradley Manning not only failed in his duty, he willfully abrogated it to the harm of American interests. My sympathy for him hovers solidly at ZERO.

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 5:05 PM

If the government wanted his head they’d have it already. There are plenty of CIA special ops guys who would KILL to get the assignment!

They can’t do that. The story is out there. Everyone would know it was an extra-judicial killing, there would be an uproar.

No, assange will get extradited to sweeden.. and if bradley gives him up, he’ll get sent over here and dealt with in the justice system.

Meanwhile, free speech will die quietly.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Meanwhile, free speech will die quietly.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:06 PM

*SIGH*

I wasn’t aware that the military had any sort of “free speech” policy. What a moron.

gryphon202 on March 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM

One more thing: this isn’t a hazing ritual. Traditional hazing rituals are badges of honor, some extremely stupid, others just mid-grade stupid. (Although not nearly as stupid as some of the indoctrination rituals being imposed on federal employees today.)

Hazing is not a military policy. The brig commander, however, has implemented a policy designed to ensure an uncooperative prisoner remains alive. He’s acting for an official military purpose.

Trying to tie the summary toughness of this policy in with hazing rituals does both a disservice. The military doesn’t execute any of its tasks “because” it has a hazing mindset. Nor is an unsentimental, no-nonsense attitude about miscreants the same thing as a hazing mindset.

J.E. Dyer on March 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM

I wasn’t aware that the military had any sort of “free speech” policy. What a moron.

Assange is in the military?

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM

They can’t do that. The story is out there. Everyone would know it was an extra-judicial killing, there would be an uproar.

No, assange will get extradited to sweeden.. and if bradley gives him up, he’ll get sent over here and dealt with in the justice system.

Meanwhile, free speech will die quietly.

triple on March 6, 2011 at 5:06 PM

So … on the one hand you want us to believe that our government is honest enough not to break it’s own laws and put a hit on Julian ASSange.

And then … on the other hand – you want us to believe that our government is DIShonest enough to violate Bradley Manning’s rights to get Julian ASSange.

Your argument is inconsistent – does not compute.

HondaV65 on March 6, 2011 at 5:09 PM

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