Irony of the Week

posted at 6:00 pm on March 6, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

For more than two weeks, we’ve seen the unions organize massive protests in Madison, Wisconsin, while their friends in the media demonize Koch Industries and its owners, Charles and David Koch.  My friends John Hinderaker and Scott Johnson have done a marvelous job at Power Line deconstructing the fever-swamp allegations against the Koch brothers, as well as the inherent hypocrisy of organizations like Think Progress hyperventilating about big-money activists in politics.  (George Soros is one of the big donors to the Center for American Progress, which runs Think Progress.)  Just try to hit near the top of Power Line and keep reading; the pair have done yeomans’ work over the last two weeks on this subject, which we’ve headlined during that period.

But it’s probably no surprise to see John and Scott defend Koch Industries and the Koch brothers, since they share (as I do) their political philosophies.  It is interesting to see who else endorses Koch Industries by putting their money where their mouths clearly are not:

According to the State of Wisconsin Investment Board (SWIB), the Wisconsin Retirement System owns $5.5 million in Georgia Pacific corporate bonds. (Georgia Pacific is owned by Koch Industries.) This is the retirement system in which the overwhelming majority of state and local employees participate. These are the pension benefits that public employees are trying so hard to protect. …

Granted, $5.5 million out of a $18.5 billion fixed-income bond fund isn’t a whole lot. (The state also holds about $5 million worth of Colgate bonds, meaning it is in the pocket of Big Toothpaste.) But one imagines the public unions’ vitriol will soften a little bit when they realize their retirement payout is incumbent on the success of the Kochs. They’re all part of the same money-making ecosystem, despite many state employees believing all their retirement funds are invested exclusively in dreams and rainbows.

So in the end, public unions should recognize that the real Koch will do them a lot more good than the fake one ever did.

As John wrote, the unions and their political allies have spent much of the last couple of weeks attacking Koch, and specifically Georgia Pacific, as horrid stewards of Gaia as part of the Massive Industrialization Complex.  They’re trying to use economic pressure to get the Koch brothers to retreat from politics, which is at the very least hardball, if not unsporting.  But the people that economic pressure will harm includes the very teachers on the picket lines in Wisconsin, because if the share prices in GP go down, then so does their pension funding, at least in some small measure.


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Granted, $5.5 million out of a $18.5 billion fixed-income bond fund isn’t a whole lot.

It’s 0.03% and the proportion likely far exceeds any cuts that the administration has suggested making from the federal budget. If they use the “it ain’t that much defense”, then it should be compared to the pittance that represent the Obamacuts.

ted c on March 6, 2011 at 6:05 PM

They’re trying to use economic pressure to get the Koch brothers to retreat from politics, which is at the very least hardball, if not unsporting.

And sporting is what we have come to expect from leftists in the past? I just wish Walker would start playing some hardball of his own.

But the people that economic pressure will harm includes the very teachers on the picket lines in Wisconsin, because if the share prices in GP go down, then so does their pension funding, at least in some small measure.

Which gives the lie to the fact that these unions have any concern for their members. They never did and this is just a power play with a substantial payoff for the union leadership and the politicians they are in bed with. The teachers are just expendable pawns in the game.

sharrukin on March 6, 2011 at 6:05 PM

But the people that economic pressure will harm includes the very teachers on the picket lines in Wisconsin, because if the share prices in GP go down, then so does their pension funding, at least in some small measure.

I wonder how them algore carbon credits are trading these days???

ted c on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Surprise! You side with corporations every time. Every single time. What’s the real irony of the week? That HA peddles the fiction that the interests of the Koch brothers and ordinary working Americans coincide. Puke.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Whats good for the Koch brothers is good for America!

sharrukin on March 6, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Whats good for the Koch brothers is good for America!

Fail.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:11 PM

And, how much have “Big Unions” invested in this protest?

You know, the same unions donate to Dems in huge numbers.

Of ten largest donors in U.S. politics, half are unions:

That’s five unions to two businesses and three other groups. Five out of ten is half, by my always-suspect English-major math. And who are those other groups? ActBlue is a Democratic clearinghouse, the trial lawyers are super-lopsidedly Democratic, and four out of five of the Realtors’ top campaign-cash recipients are Democrats.

Fallon on March 6, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM
What do you do to earn a living?

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 6, 2011 at 6:12 PM

You know, the same unions who donate to Dems in huge numbers…

Fallon on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Union busting oligarchs.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Surprise! You side with corporations every time. Every single time. What’s the real irony of the week? That HA peddles the fiction that the interests of the Koch brothers and ordinary working Americans coincide. Puke.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Looks like WI Retirement System partnered with Koch first homeboy. **heartache**

and hypocrisy…

ted c on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

What do you do to earn a living?

Col.John Wm. Reed

Mind your own damn business, wingnut.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Grow Fins,

At least the Koch Holdings have a favorable return. Can’t say that for the Wisc teachers or the union that represents them — considering 1/3 of 8th graders read below par for their peer group. Were I a Wisc taxpayer I would be asking for refunds on my ‘investment’ in public education.

Dr. Dog on March 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Dude. Savor it. Public employees’ pension fund health is partially dependent on how well a Koch subsidiary performs. You just can’t make this stuff up.

a capella on March 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Union busting oligarchs.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

What do you do to earn a living?

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Y’know what Saul Alinski would say if he were alive today?

“Lemme outa this coffin!!!”

Akzed on March 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Were I a Wisc taxpayer I would be asking for refunds on my ‘investment’ in public education.

Because after all, “education” for you people is always about $$$$$. That’s why your children are so stupid.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

What do you do to earn a living?

Col.John Wm. Reed

Like I said, keep your prying nose out of other’s people business.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:18 PM

GrowBrains on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

What do you do to earn a living?
Col.John Wm. Reed on March 6, 2011 at 6:12 PM

He posts on HA. It doesn’t pay anything but he makes it up in volume.

Akzed on March 6, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Mind your own damn business, wingnut.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

If God ever gave the human race an enema, he’d shove the tube in you.

Patrick S on March 6, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Hahahahahaha:

In a new e-mail request for donations, a Tea Party group is warning that conservatives are losing ground in the Wisconsin battle over union rights.

A new email soliciting donations from the Tea Party Express and Our Country Deserves sent out Saturday says that recent polls and an ad campaign by pro-labor groups are getting the upper hand and that conservatives backing Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s (R) bill to roll back collective bargaining rights are starting to cede ground.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM

I try to imagine the existence of such a thing as grow fins…I can’t…maybe it’s that I just don’t want to…It must be a daily struggle being he/she/it

winston on March 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM

If God ever gave the human race an enema, he’d shove the tube in you.

Patrick S

Nah, me an God are cool. He supports working class Americans.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM

That HA peddles the fiction that the interests of the Koch brothers and ordinary working Americans coincide. Puke.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

They do, insofar as the jobs created are filled by what you disdain by calling ordinary working Americans.
Or, alternately, take a crack at proving that there is a fiction, as you suggest. Links, proofs, logical supports will be needed.

massrighty on March 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM
What do you do to earn a living?

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 6, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Don’t you know he is the arbiter of all things ordinary American!

fourdeucer on March 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM

What do you do to earn a living?

Col.John Wm. Reed

Earn a living? He’s a parasite and he knows it. Thats why he is so angry all the time. They resent being so dependent on those who actually contribute something, and it shows in their conduct.

sharrukin on March 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM

fess up fins, ya’ll are losing….and losing badly.

truth hurts. It’d be different if there wasn’t a dime invested in that railroad but $5.5million is what we here in reality call “real money.”

pwned.

ted c on March 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM

I try to imagine the existence of such a thing as grow fins…I can’t…maybe it’s that I just don’t want to…It must be a daily struggle being he/she/it

Don’t bother. You’ll likely get a headache. Stick to the imagination-free diet of Koch, FOX and HA.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:22 PM

That’s why your children are so stupid.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Heh. My child has a BA, MBA, and JD. I suggest you ditch the fins and crawl out of the swamp.

Dr. Dog on March 6, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Because after all, “education” for you people is always about $$$$$. That’s why your children are so stupid.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Do unions strike for better eduction or more money?

the_nile on March 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM

My child has a BA, MBA, and JD.

Wow, the things money can buy these days.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Surprise! You side with corporations every time. Every single time.

Puke.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

That’s a lie, of course. HA has never defended the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Do unions strike for better eduction or more money?

send halp pleeese

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Del Dolemonte

Hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha!!!

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:24 PM

So why aren’t the unions lobbying SWIB to drop all Koch related investments?

In theory that should say a lot more than spilling vitriol all over the place: selling off income earning investments puts your pocketbook where your mouth is.

ajacksonian on March 6, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM
Nice to see you are thin skinned and rely on saying other folks children are stupid.Must be really great to be so smug as to know the kids grades.
Here is a suggestion,without the investments made in profitable business ventures union thugs would have no retirement,and yes the muni market is really iffy right now so safety is in real business.
Oh yeah to help razz you up even more the Kock brothers are big in gasoline and oil related products that the genius without college transcripts sees as a good thing at $5 to $9 a gallon.
OK rant!

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 6, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Wow, the things money can buy these days.

Grow Fins

Yes. And it was MY money spent at institutions not on the public dole. I presume you have one of those fake doctors notes to be here?

Dr. Dog on March 6, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Wow, the things money can buy these days.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM

I know, right?

Weight of Glory on March 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM

And sporting is what we have come to expect from leftists in the past? I just wish Walker would start playing some hardball of his own.

Walke need the legislature which is showing signs of fleebagging themselves.

William Amos on March 6, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Weight of Glory on March 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM

! ! !

Akzed on March 6, 2011 at 6:29 PM

They’re trying to use economic pressure to get the Koch brothers to retreat from politics, which is at the very least hardball, if not unsporting.  But the people that economic pressure will harm includes the very teachers on the picket lines in Wisconsin, because if the share prices in GP go down, then so does their pension funding, at least in some small measure.

The problem here is you’re assuming that the people demonizing the Koches actually care, short-term, about the union workers’ pensions. They don’t — taking the Koches out of the political arena is more important to them than any loss in bond value or stock price of Georgia-Pacific.

It’s the same type of thinking that drives the entire issue of public sector pay versus financial solvency. In the minds of the left, we’re not going broke because we’re paying the union workers too much; we’re going broke because maximum tax rates on high-income individuals and families aren’t in the 85-95 percent range they were during World War II. And even if the left got their way on this and they were still faced with state and federal insolvency, it wouldn’t be because their economic ideas were wrong, it would be because the rich are hiding their real money, and should face legal action through the seizure of personal assets by the government (or nationalization of big corporate assets) or possible imprisonment, until they turn over their ill-gotten gains.

jon1979 on March 6, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Walke need the legislature which is showing signs of fleebagging themselves.

William Amos on March 6, 2011 at 6:29 PM

He needs to strike while the wobblies in the GOP are still liquored up from their election victory. They will fold if he doesn’t act quickly and in fact it may be too late. People will follow if you lead and win, but standing still is certain death.

He should be passing non-fiscal bills and force the Democrats to return or let the GOP pass them.

sharrukin on March 6, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Fail.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:11 PM

We know your grade from Economics 101…

… It’s almost like you wear it as a badge of honor, or something.

Seven Percent Solution on March 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Grow Fins, I’m gonna guess you get a check from OfA and may have some inside info…

How much manpower and money do you guess Big Unions (and OfA) have sunk into the Madison “protests” since the cowardly Democratic Senators ran away to hide in Illinois?

Fallon on March 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Mind your own damn business, wingnut.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Ed or Allah, could one of you please explain why this loser hasn’t been banned? If you’re keeping him here as some kind of pet then just let us know so we can go along with it.

Sharke on March 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Thanks. It’s a pleasure to put you back under the bridge.

Here’s more.

Has HA ever defended the many corporations owned by or with stock held by George Soros? Please provide examples.

Del Dolemonte on March 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Hey guys, don’t mind Grow Fins. It’s just pissed because we’re winning as it inadvertently blurted out a few days ago.

darwin on March 6, 2011 at 6:39 PM

These would be the same same unions that despise Walmart but shop there regularly, the same unions that hold Walmart in contempt but want to force Walmart employees into a union.

fourdeucer on March 6, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Del Dolemonte on March 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM

And you can add such things as: GM, GE, Goldman-Sachs, AIG, Chrysler…

Has HA been all sweetness and light to them?

ajacksonian on March 6, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Ed or Allah, could one of you please explain why this loser hasn’t been banned? If you’re keeping him here as some kind of pet then just let us know so we can go along with it.

Sharke on March 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM

It hasn’t really done anything to be banned. It just drops by to say something stupid.

darwin on March 6, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Because after all, “education” for you people is always about $$$$$. That’s why your children are so stupid.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Oopsie!

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/03/longhorns-17-badgers-1.html

a capella on March 6, 2011 at 6:46 PM

This will help fins be knowledgeable about what he knocks,no pun intended.
Fins when your CV matches this one and you give one tenth as much back to society then you will have respect.People may not like what you give to but they will respect you(a little).
My 1Sergeant also said he could spend a great afternoon working on the kid,I told Top the kid would never show up.
Mull this fins.
David H. Koch

David H. Koch is an executive vice president and a board member of Koch
Industries, Inc., which owns a diverse group of companies with about 70,000
employees and a presence in nearly 60 countries. Based in Wichita, Kan., Koch
Industries is involved in refining and chemicals; process and pollution control
equipment and technologies; minerals; fertilizers; polymers and fibers; commodity
trading and services; forest and consumer products; and ranching. Since 2003,
Koch companies have completed more than $32 billion in acquisitions and
investments, and nearly $11 billion in capital expenditures. Familiar Koch
companies’ brands include STAINMASTER carpet, LYCRA fiber, Quilted
Northern tissue and the Dixie brand of tabletop products.
Mr. Koch, who earned bachelor’s and master’s degrees in chemical engineering
from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, applies that scientific expertise in
his other role as chairman of the board and chief executive officer of Koch
Chemical Technology Group, LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of Koch Industries.
The Chemical Technology Group serves municipalities, oil refineries and chemical
plants around the globe with research and development, manufacturing and sales
of process and pollution control equipment. This group employs nearly 4,500
people and includes these businesses:
 Koch-Glitsch, LP (Wichita, Kan.)
 Koch Membrane Systems, Inc. (Wilmington, Mass.)
 Koch Heat Transfer Company, LP (Houston)
 John Zink Company (Tulsa, Okla.)
 Optimized Process Designs, Inc. (Houston)
Prior to joining Koch Industries in 1970, Mr. Koch worked as a research engineer
and process design engineer for Amicon Corporation, in Cambridge, Mass.;
Arthur D. Little, Inc., also in Cambridge, Mass.; and Halcon International, Inc. and
its affiliate, the Scientific Design Company in New York City.
A long-time philanthropist, Mr. Koch has given generously to a variety of
organizations and causes for nearly three decades. Since 2000, he and the David
H. Koch Charitable Foundation have pledged or contributed more than $600
million to a wide variety of organizations and programs that further cancer
research, enhance medical centers and support educational institutions, as well
as programs that sustain arts and cultural institutions.
Mr. Koch is the prime contributor to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s
plans to build an integrative cancer research center which will be called The David
H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research. Other contributions to MIT
have established The David H. Koch School of Chemical Engineering Practice,
and he has been honored with the dedication of the David H. Koch Biology
Building at the university.
Mr. Koch’s donation to the University of Texas’ M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
created the David H. Koch Center for Applied Research of Genitourinary Cancers.
In 2006, The David H. Koch Cancer Research Center on Johns Hopkins
University’s East Baltimore medical campus was dedicated honoring Mr. Koch for
his $20 million commitment to the center.
January 2011 Page 2 of 2
In 2005, Mr. Koch received a presidential appointment to the National Cancer Advisory
Board of the National Cancer Institute. He served in this role until March 2010 when his term
expired. Mr. Koch has been honored by The New York Academy of Medicine for his support
of biomedical research, healthcare and education.
Mr. Koch committed $100 million to the New York State Theater at Lincoln Center in 2008.
The theater houses both the New York City Ballet and the New York City Opera and has
been renamed the David H. Koch Theater.
A $15 million gift to the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History in Washington,
D.C., will create a new 15,000-square-foot exhibition hall dedicated to the discovery and
understanding of human origins. The opening of the David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins is
scheduled for March 2010. In 2006, he gave $20 million to the American Museum of Natural
History in New York City to support the dinosaur exhibits, creating the David H. Koch
Dinosaur Wing.
Mr. Koch’s corporate leadership has been honored by the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory’s
Double Helix award, and the Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center’s Excellence in
Corporate Leadership award. He received the prestigious Corporate Citizenship Award from
the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in 2004, and other recognition
includes the Manhattan Republican Party’s Business Statesman of the Year award in 2002
and the Entrepreneurial Leadership Award from the National Foundation for Teaching
Entrepreneurship.
He has also been active in the public policy field, serving on the boards of the Cato Institute
and the Reason Foundation. These organizations are focused on applying market-based
concepts to enhance peace, prosperity and social progress.
Mr. Koch serves on more than 20 non-profit boards:
Member, Board of Directors, The Economic Club of New York, New York
Member, Board of Trustees, The Allen-Stevenson School, New York
Member, Board of Trustees, Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York
Governor, New York-Presbyterian Hospital, New York
Member, Board of Trustees, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York
Member, Board of Visitors, M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston
Member, Board of Trustees, Hospital for Special Surgery, New York
Member, Board of Directors, Rockefeller University, New York
Member, Board of Trustees, House Ear Institute, Los Angeles
Member, Board of Associates, Whitehead Institute, Cambridge, Mass.
Honorary Member, Board of Trustees, Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, Cold Spring Harbor, N.Y.
Life Member of the Corporation, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Mass.
Member, Board of Trustees, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md.
Member, Board of Trustees, The Prostate Cancer Foundation, Los Angeles
Vice Chairman, Board of Directors, American Ballet Theatre, New York
Member, Board of Directors, American Museum of Natural History, New York
Member, Board of Trustees, Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, Washington
Member, Board of Directors, Aspen Institute, Aspen, Colo.
Member, Board of Directors, Institute of Human Origins, Phoenix, Ariz.
Member, Board of Trustees, Educational Broadcasting Corporation, Channel 13, New York
Member, Board of Overseers, WGBH, Channel 2, Boston, Mass.
Member, James Madison Council, Library of Congress, Washington, D.C.
Member, Board of Directors, The Cato Institute, Washington, D.C.
Member, Board of Directors, The Reason Foundation, Santa Monica, Calif.
Chairman, Board of Trustees, Americans for Prosperity Foundation, Washington, D.C.
Mr. Koch was born in Wichita, Kansas. He and his wife, Julia, have three children.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 6, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Meanwhile,from the den of the enemy,crap,LeftistPinko’s,
I mean!

Protesters in Madison Target Koch Brothers Offices
**************************************************

Watch this amazing video from Democracy Now! which shows that protesters in Madison have found another, highly-appropriate target: the local lobbying offices of the Koch Brothers.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/485845/protesters_in_madison_target_koch_brothers_offices/

canopfor on March 6, 2011 at 6:49 PM

You almost have to feel pity of Grow Fins and her ilk…

She spent her formative years sleeping with her liberal professors only to find that after seven years of higher education…

… all she had to show for it was a huge student loan burden, and a wicked case of genital warts.

Now, all she can do, is hang around the teacher’s lounge performing subservient tasks to said professors…

… No wonder she has no understanding of the free market and defends the unions with the ideology and logic of a misinformed zealot.

When the truth finally hits her in the face that all she believes in actually fails when put in place outside of the classroom…

… all she will be left with is that wicked case of genital warts.

Sucks to be her…

Seven Percent Solution on March 6, 2011 at 6:50 PM

Nah, me an God are cool. He supports working class Americans.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM

If a conservative wrote that, you would have a fit. You sound like a televangelist. Could you explain to me what you mean by working class Americans.

Having been out in this industrial world for 50 years, I have never seen a union member work. They spend all their time trying to figure out how to get our of work. The God you are so cool with must define working class as non union, based on your description. And, like all liberals, you believe in class distinction. That word does not belong in the same sentence as the word “American”.

Old Country Boy on March 6, 2011 at 6:50 PM

the pair have done yeomans’ work

Just a stylistic note: the singular is “yeoman’s work,” and the plural is “yeomen’s work.”

bgoldman on March 6, 2011 at 6:54 PM

I believe that to grow fins for a human would be reverse evolution.

Special Forces Grunt on March 6, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Special Forces Grunt on March 6, 2011 at 6:55 PM

The word ‘Ftagn!’ comes to mind.

ajacksonian on March 6, 2011 at 6:58 PM

You side with corporations every time. Every single time. What’s the real irony of the week? That HA peddles the fiction that the interests of the Koch brothers and ordinary working Americans coincide.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

If you have evidence to the contrary, present it.

Corporations create paychecks. Other than socialist dogma, what do you produce?

Kini on March 6, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Huh. Grow fins seems to be straight-up trolling these days. Trying to commit suicide-by-cop? Or, rather, commenticide-by-moderator?

S. Weasel on March 6, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Astro-Turf’d Bused in Union Goons,
masquaradeing as concerned Teachers,
er,sumpin…sumpin!!

canopfor on March 6, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Surprise! You side with corporations every time. Every single time. What’s the real irony of the week? That HA peddles the fiction that the interests of the Koch brothers and ordinary working Americans coincide. Puke.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

A union is a corporation.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Surprise! You side with corporations every time. Every single time. What’s the real irony of the week? That HA peddles the fiction that the interests of the Koch brothers and ordinary working Americans coincide. Puke.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Surprise! You side with communists every time. Every single time. What’s the real irony of the week? That Grow Fins peddles the fiction that the interests of the Progressives and ordinary working Americans coincide. Puke.

IowaWoman on March 6, 2011 at 7:02 PM

He supports working class Americans.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM

LOL You little parasite. The only work you do is going to the mail box after the first of the month.

I wonder do the Koch brothers work? Tell me you as shole.

CWforFreedom on March 6, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Poor Finny. He’s like the stereotypical atheist (apologies, AP) who can’t say what he’s actually *for* because he spends all his time focusing on what he’s *against*.

So what do you do to earn a living, Finny? Me, I manage energy and raw materials contracts for a company that makes the metal that you enjoy the use of in many applications, from computing to aerospace to soda cans. We’re into almost as much as plastic.

And the simple fact is, we at HA focus on wealth creation *because* it benefits the livelihoods of everyone by lifting the masses out of poverty and providing them a higher standard of living than they would otherwise have. By comparison, progressives like you had your 15 minutes of fame about 100 years ago (when unions fairly called attention to poor work practices in industrialized countries) but now instead of doing the same for emerging markets countries, you parasite off the success of others.

Can you really tell us what you are for, Finny, that isn’t merely parasiting off those of us who are successful and, you know, actually help people?

Go ahead. Tell us.

Wanderlust on March 6, 2011 at 7:02 PM

I live about 4 miles from Charles Koch’s humble estate and must say that he and his brothers have been very good to our town. As an employer, KI has for years provided a ton of much-needed high-paying jobs. Their palatial office complex contributes property taxes galore. Charles personally donated a $6 million endowment to help turn our run-down University b-ball arena into a world class joint. Far from the wicked hater of the little people that the union thugs make him out to be.

KS Rex on March 6, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Union busting oligarchs.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Unions contain oligarchs.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 7:03 PM

He supports working class Americans.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Oh and God does not side with you pukes that support the wholesale slaughter of the innocents.

CWforFreedom on March 6, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Mind your own damn business, wingnut.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Why?

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Corporations create paychecks. Other than socialist dogma, what do you produce?

Kini on March 6, 2011 at 6:59 PM

He produces theft by demanding that successful people “share the wealth” with him, since he is obviously unable to create any wealth on his own.

Wanderlust on March 6, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Because after all, “education” for you people is always about $$$$$. That’s why your children are so stupid.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Teachers unions are all about $$$$$$. That’s why our public-school educated children are so stupid.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 7:05 PM

The idiots like Fins will tear down the employers and then whine that there are not any jobs. Just pathetic.

CWforFreedom on March 6, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM

In a couple of weeks, the laugh will be on you. Remember Texas.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 7:06 PM

I don’t know, I find it hard to find much fault with philanthropists like the Koch brothers wealth

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/05/us/05koch.html

scalleywag on March 6, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Wow, the things money can buy these days.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Yup. Like Democratic Senators.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Because after all, “education” for you people is always about $$$$$. That’s why your children are so stupid.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:17 P

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Hmmm the DC schools spend thousands more than your typical schools and their kids are about about the most uneducated. Why don’t you go read a little and get back to me. Sheesh you’re pathetic.

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/02/dc-public-schools-129-trillion-28170.html

Seriously effing pathetic

CWforFreedom on March 6, 2011 at 7:08 PM

The idiots like Fins will tear down the employers and then whine that there are not any jobs. Just pathetic.

CWforFreedom on March 6, 2011 at 7:06 PM

He has that in common with the so-called “palestinians”, in that they piss and moan about Israel, attack Israel, then get angry at Israel when it closes its borders and they can’t go to work. Cause “palestine” has no industry of its own other than being a parasite to the rest of the world.

Wanderlust on March 6, 2011 at 7:09 PM

What do you do to earn a living?

Col.John Wm. Reed

Mind your own damn business, wingnut.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Fins’ job is to wear down the grass between the front door and the mailbox. He claims then the projects landscaper has less grass to cut.

CWforFreedom on March 6, 2011 at 7:10 PM

A union is a corporation.

unclesmrgol on March 6, 2011 at 7:02 PM

So is Michael Moore’s production company, Dog Eat Dog Films, Inc.

Del Dolemonte on March 6, 2011 at 7:11 PM

The protesting loonies in WI probably do not even understand the ins and out of their pension funding. They just see it as “I got mines. Tough luck you losers”.

jeanie on March 6, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Wanderlust on March 6, 2011 at 7:09 PM

What’s wonderful is the Libyan rebels are showing how its done: form up an organization, declare a republic, seek help to establish order and then look to draft up a constitution once the fighting is over.

The Palestinians could have done that ages ago… there is no power that grants Nation status, you get it by putting down a government, getting recognition and then doing what you can to take care of your people under a known system of power arrangements internally. Even the Lebanese understood this with their civil war and neighborhood governments with their own flags and uniforms… the Palestinians? Don’t they know how this sort of thing is done after so many fine examples around them?

ajacksonian on March 6, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Sunday, March 6, 2011
Teachers Unions Explained
(Video)
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http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/03/teachers-unions-explained.html

canopfor on March 6, 2011 at 7:14 PM

… all she will be left with is that wicked case of genital warts.

Sucks to be her…

Seven Percent Solution on March 6, 2011 at 6:50 PM

I don’t think she swings that way.

OldEnglish on March 6, 2011 at 7:14 PM

But the people that economic pressure will harm includes the very teachers on the picket lines in Wisconsin, because if the share prices in GP go down, then so does their pension funding, at least in some small measure.

This won’t matter a bit to the teachers. If their pension fund goes down, they’ll just lobby their Democrat stooges in the WI government to raise taxes to cover the difference.

Kevin71 on March 6, 2011 at 7:16 PM

That HA peddles the fiction that the interests of the Koch brothers and ordinary working Americans coincide. Puke.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Not fiction, you incessant inept fool. Maybe they need to open a brain research division, just for you.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Meanwhile,back at the Team Union Goon Ranch!
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Full rally information for Sunday, March 6

The Madison Police Department’s estimate for Saturday’s rally numbered between 40,000 to 50,000! We’ll be back on Sunday with more rallying and parading: Wisconsin AFL-CIO is hosting a rally at…

http://www.defendwisconsin.org/2011/03/04/full-rally-information-for-saturday-march-5/
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And,speaking of Goons

Michael Moore speaks in Madison, March 5
2011
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http://www.defendwisconsin.org/2011/03/06/michael-moore-speaks-in-madison-march-5/

canopfor on March 6, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Hmmm KOCH Industries employees 80,000 people . It is safe to say GF is not one of them.

Also per WIKI note:

Environmental designations
In 2005, Koch’s Flint Hills Resources refinery was recognized by the EPA’s Clean Air Awards program for reducing air emissions by 50 percent while expanding operations.[19] Koch Industries’ headquarters in Wichita has been certified for meeting the Energy Star standards for superior energy efficiency and environmental protection. As of 2010 it is the only Wichita office building to be so recognized.[20][21] A Tulsa, Oklahoma site of the Koch-owned John Zink Company site was part of the EPA’s National Environmental Performance Track program from 2003 until 2009 when the program was suspended.[22][23]

Koch’s Matador Ranch in Texas earned the Lone Star Land Steward award for outstanding natural resource management in 2010.[24] The Montana ranch has earned several environmental stewardship awards, including the EPA Regional Administrator’s award.[25]

In 2010, Koch Industries was ranked 10th on the list of top US corporate air polluters, the “Toxic 100 Air Polluters,” by the Political Economic Research Institute at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.[26

CWforFreedom on March 6, 2011 at 7:23 PM

That HA peddles the fiction that the interests of the Koch brothers and ordinary working Americans coincide. Puke.

Grow Fins on March 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM

That’s cute — you signed your post “Puke”.

KS Rex on March 6, 2011 at 7:23 PM

I believe that to grow fins for a human would be reverse evolution.

Special Forces Grunt on March 6, 2011 at 6:55 PM
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When emerging from the primordial muck we think it is nubs,small flippers, then little fins.If development continues beyond this stage emergence onto land,breathing through adapted gills.Further little frogs leg like appendages,bulged eyes that glow in the dark,croaking sounds.
Reading,writing’ stuff like that is mostly left to Kermit.
My guess is that the fins if in the South would be considered dinner for Cajuns.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 6, 2011 at 7:23 PM

It’s been fun reading Fins this evening. He/she is growing stridently desperate. Keep up the good work folks.

jeanie on March 6, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Oh lord fins, crazy much?

sandee on March 6, 2011 at 7:28 PM

Oh Sh*t,its WAR!!
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Sunday, 6 March 2011
Filmmaker Michael Moore Calls for Communist Revolution at Wisconsin Protest
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Additional video at the link: “Madison is Only the Beginning! Communist Michael Moore Calls for Revolution at Wisconsin Protest.”
(Video).
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http://www.theospark.net/2011/03/filmmaker-michael-moore-calls-for.html

canopfor on March 6, 2011 at 7:30 PM

It’s been fun reading Fins this evening. He/she is growing stridently desperate. Keep up the good work folks.

jeanie on March 6, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2011 at 7:30 PM

canopfor on March 6, 2011 at 7:30 PM

Sorry, could not get very far into that video. More than I can handle. The whole thing has become super organized from the look of it.

jeanie on March 6, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Saturday, March 5, 2011
Duped! Relentless Marxist Deception
By Alan Caruba
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“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’,

they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”

Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Party president candidate

Those of my age—I am in my seventies—have a strong recall of the Cold War,

fought from the end of World War Two in 1945 until the fall of the infamous Berlin Wall on November 9, 1989 and the subsequent collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

We grew up knowing that the Communists—Marxists—were the enemy.

http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/
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Yup,its Animal Farm in Brazil in 1984!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on March 6, 2011 at 7:40 PM

Anyone notice FINS has been much more angry lately? I suspect something bad going on in its life. I wonder what the issue is.

CWforFreedom on March 6, 2011 at 7:41 PM

The Alamo fell this day 175 years ago.
TEXAS was soon and independent Nation,10 years.
By treaty the TEXAS flag flies the same height as the US Flag.
Fins in his car with lefty stickers would fit right in at UT in Austin. Fins also might like to take the TEXAS liberal highway challenge and see if the car with the liberal stickers could make it safely across the state from Texarkana to El Paso in one piece.
No physical har
m but the route is through all the small towns with gas station run by natives, no self service pumps. When the car is outa gas so is Bubba,n Earl, n Jenny.While fins is waitin’ for a ride or the bus the locals will delight in regaling him with tales of liberty,freedom,and heroes.
No left over W 04 stickers on the car no gas.
Saw a junker on Lamar yesterday with a Gore Kerry,Lieberman,Edwards, sticker,n a bunch of hippie Mercedes signs,car had a flat tire and was blowing smog.
Though it might be a friend of fins.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM

canopfor on March 6, 2011 at 7:30 PM
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Sorry, could not get very far into that video. More than I can handle. The whole thing has become super organized from the look of it.

jeanie on March 6, 2011 at 7:40 PM

jeanie:I hear ya,and while the MSM,and Homelamd Security
was railing against the RightWingers,and Veterans,
as threats,the Union and its proxies,are daily,up
ping the violence in talk and action!!

Its surreal,me thinks!!:)

canopfor on March 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Anyone notice FINS has been much more angry lately? I suspect something bad going on in its life. I wonder what the issue is.

CWforFreedom on March 6, 2011 at 7:41 PM
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PMS
. Palin Mind Scramble

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM

One of my forebears was a signer of the Declaration of Independence…of Texas.

Yee-ha!

S. Weasel on March 6, 2011 at 7:50 PM

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