Deal coming into focus in Madison?

posted at 12:45 pm on March 5, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Governor Scott Walker continued to play hardball yesterday with the fleeing Democrats in the Wisconsin Senate, announcing that as many as 1500 state workers would get layoff notices in 15 days unless his budget repair bill passed.  In the Senate, Republicans continued negotiations in what appears to be an attempt to allow them to save face without budging on the core reforms in the bill:

According to GOP sources familiar with talks on the bill, the discussions with Democratic senators holed up in Illinois include removing or changing a provision from Walker’s budget-repair bill that would limit unions’ bargaining over wages to the rate of inflation. The talks have also touched on the possibility of removing or changing a provision that would require workers to vote every year on whether their union would remain active or be decertified, the sources said.

The last provision especially is anathema to Democrats and unions, who say it could kill many labor groups. The sources asked not to be identified because they had no clearance to speak and because the talks were still delicate.

The Republican governor acknowledged Thursday that his administration was in talks with Democrats but declined to provide details. He also signaled for the first time in the budget crisis that he might be willing to make at least a marginal change to his budget-repair proposal.

Those two provisions may be the most provocative, but are not the most critical to reform.  Employees can call for a decertification vote in most instances if 30% of the shop expresses a desire for such an election, usually by card collection.  I’ve worked in a business with a union shop that held two decertification votes in two years; the second was successful.  Putting an upper limit on wage negotiation to the rate of inflation would make it easier for the state and local governments to plan budgets, but as a cost control measure, it’s secondary to eliminating collective bargaining on pensions and benefits.

At least according to the Journal-Sentinel, the terms do not appear to include the biggest reforms in Walker’s bill.  Creating an open shop with no state collection of dues will choke the union, and at least the latter can probably be done through executive order as Mitch Daniels did in Indiana six years ago.  Putting it into law carries more force and makes it impossible for a later Democratic governor to undo through unilateral action, but at least for now the jig is up on union dues collections.  Eliminating collective bargaining on pensions and benefits will shut down the WEA Trust, another major source of income for unions through price-gouging on health insurance.  Almost any deal that retains those reforms will be well worth the trade-offs.

Negotiating with politicians who refuse to engage in the legislative process could very well encourage more fleebagging down the road, so in one real sense, the GOP could end up legitimizing the tactic.  I’d guess that the Republicans are only going to bother with this for a few more days before breaking out the reforms in a separate bill and passing them under normal quorums if the Democrats don’t take the face-saving offer soon, whether Walker wants to do so or not, or at least well before the 15-day layoff deadline.

Update: I wrote Illinois when I meant Indiana, where Mitch Daniels is governor.  I’ve corrected it above.


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Governor Scott Walker continued to play hardball yesterday with the fleeing Democrats

but can he cover Tom Petty songs?

ted c on March 5, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Do it!

VegasRick on March 5, 2011 at 12:48 PM

The last provision especially is anathema to Democrats and unions, who say it could kill many labor groups.

That is the intent
/walker

ted c on March 5, 2011 at 12:49 PM

So, in other words, the Republicans are going to cave (and with this deplorable situation, any concession is a cave) and legitimize the fleabaggers??? What a bunch of p*ssies. I can’t believe it’s legal to just abandon a public office. These fleeing Democrats were elected, and since they aren’t doing their duty, they shouldn’t be allowed to keep their jobs — it’s as simple as this. If I did this in my job, I’d be fired immediately.

diditagain on March 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM

I frappin hate this crap! The only upside I see is choking the money to the unions and thereby the demrat-traitor-commie-8astards. This will limit their power and thus making it easier in later years to destroying the vile public unions once and for all!

csdeven on March 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Never worry here – someone’s going to lose face here – and it won’t be the Dimmocrits. They KNOW HOW TO PLAY BALL and make fools of the GOP every time.

Within three weeks – the GOP will have completely legitimized the tactic of walking away from your legislative seat when things don’t go your way by giving in to the Dims!

This should be treated as a hostage situation – you don’t negotiate with terrorists.

But the GOP will not only negotiate – they’ll give ‘em what they want!!

HondaV65 on March 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Layoffs equated to Nazi death camps in 3..2..1..

Badger40 on March 5, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Seems like a cave. Maybe I’m reading it wrong?

Send out the notices NOW. LAY THEM OFF IN FIFTEEN DAYS!

catmman on March 5, 2011 at 12:52 PM

diditagain on March 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Pretty much – this will be the end of our Republic. When it becomes legitimate for lawmakers to walk away from the game of making this Democracy work – then it’s game over.

THIS … really – should be the story here. The GOP shouldn’t cave one single inch here simply because of the tactic being used by the fleebaggers.

But the GOP is stupid for the most part. And whatever part ain’t stupid – is scared silly.

HondaV65 on March 5, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Evil selfish people usually have the stomach to keep things up til the bitter end bcs they like destruction.
The GOP needs to let them reap what they sow.

Badger40 on March 5, 2011 at 12:53 PM

When it becomes legitimate for lawmakers to walk away from the game of making this Democracy work – then it’s game over.

THIS … really – should be the story here. The GOP shouldn’t cave one single inch here simply because of the tactic being used by the fleebaggers.

HondaV65 on March 5, 2011 at 12:53 PM

I agree.

Badger40 on March 5, 2011 at 12:54 PM

And the Republican Elites wonder why some of their brethren lost their jobs on November 2nd, 2010.

kingsjester on March 5, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Within three weeks – the GOP will have completely legitimized the tactic of walking away from your legislative seat when things don’t go your way by giving in to the Dims!

This should be treated as a hostage situation – you don’t negotiate with terrorists.

But the GOP will not only negotiate – they’ll give ‘em what they want!!

HondaV65 on March 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Sadly, I fear you are right…

TheBigOldDog on March 5, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Negotiating with politicians who refuse to engage in the legislative process could very well encourage more fleebagging down the road, so in one real sense, the GOP could end up legitimizing the tactic.

Completely agree. The moment they began doing by-conference negotians with the Best Western slurpee-sipping fleebaggers it was lost. Very weak.

RepubChica on March 5, 2011 at 12:56 PM

I can not for the life of me understand why the r’s let the d’s do this to them every single time. Why not for once r’s make a stand and for crying out loud stick to it! You might just be surprised how the voters deal with you in the future if you stick to what you said you would do and tell the truth. Please, Gov. Walker do not cave, please!
L

letget on March 5, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Ed,

Did Mitch Daniels do that in Illinois, or was it in Indiana?

Christien on March 5, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Hardball? How many times has he delayed his layoff date?

burt on March 5, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Unions and dimocrats – walk off the job to negotiate.
The rest of us – walk off the job – lose it.
Unions and dimocrats suck.

VegasRick on March 5, 2011 at 12:59 PM

Hey someone should ask Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh what they think of the situation.

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

If Walker does compromise on the core reforms he is completely owned by the Democrats now and forever. They won’t even have to flee the state anymore. Just the threat of it will get them whatever they want. There is too much at stake now for him and for the state’s long-term fiscal health. If he caves to them he might as well resign his office. It will have the same practical effect. This is where we find out what he’s really made of.

SKYFOX on March 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Here is suggestion for Gov. Walker.

On Monday, announce to the media that you are having special advance pink slips printed up that will be issued to all the people being laid off in a month.

On those slips will be a cheery message that if the laid off worker wishes to “thank” anyone for their job being lost, listed on the slips will be the names, addresses, phone numbers, places of worship, and favorite eateries of all 14 gutless wonder Democrat State Senators who chose to run away instead of stay in Madison to work out some sort of agreement that would have ended up saving those jobs.

Then let’s see how long it takes the “Madison 14″ to reconsider their actions of late.

pilamaye on March 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM

“I’d guess that the Republicans are only going to bother with this for a few more days before breaking out the reforms in a separate bill and passing them under normal quorums…”

Can someone please explain to me why they are not doing this now…?

Seven Percent Solution on March 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Seven Percent Solution on March 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM

I have asked that question here so much that one commenter ask me to shutup…? I thought someone closer to the action might have the answer. Can it be done, if so, why not?

d1carter on March 5, 2011 at 1:04 PM

Hey someone should ask Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh what they think of the situation.

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Why “ask” when all you had to do was listen…?

… Oh, I forgot, your head is so far up your a%s, that the only thing you hear is fecal matter being born.

Seven Percent Solution on March 5, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Why “ask” when all you had to do was listen…?

… Oh, I forgot, your head is so far up your a%s, that the only thing you hear is fecal matter being born.

Seven Percent Solution on March 5, 2011 at 1:05 PM
———-
Ahhh low flying jets
WOOOOOSH

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Every single phone call, meeting, letter, fax or email from the fleebaggers should have been responded to as follows: The table is in Madison, we are waiting. Copies of this response should have been sent to the press. Do not negotiate with hostage takers.

kringeesmom on March 5, 2011 at 1:08 PM

We’re not outnumbered but we’re outmatched. That makes it a double disgrace.

Once more republicans adapt to an abnormal “norm” rather than force others to adapt to the classic moral norm of law and order and common sense. Once more, we are all degraded.

Walker was not prepared to bring this home. He kept hoping for media and public support by sheer dint of virtue rather than making his case forcefully and with conviction. He allowed time and space between himself and his purposes and allowed that time and space to be exploited by others.

The whole thing was predictable and is depressing.

rrpjr on March 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Hey someone should ask Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh what they think of the situation.

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

They’re not.

darwin on March 5, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Relax. It ain’t over ’til it’s over.

Christien on March 5, 2011 at 1:11 PM

The whole thing was predictable and is depressing.

rrpjr on March 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Are you kidding? If this is what the democrats settle for it’s a huge win for Walker.

darwin on March 5, 2011 at 1:12 PM

Can someone please explain to me why they are not doing this now…?

Seven Percent Solution on March 5, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Maybe they can still sense daylight between their backs and the wall and they don’t want to give the media a point of attack that they didn’t consider every option before pulling the trigger on this. I think their patience has been stretched to the breaking point, but I’m not in their shoes, they are. They have to decide when enough is too much.

SKYFOX on March 5, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Ed,

Did Mitch Daniels do that in Illinois, or was it in Indiana?

Christien on March 5, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Someone should have told Blago…

Empiricist on March 5, 2011 at 1:14 PM

I hope the repubs aren’t reacting to these asshat polls
showing public support diminishing. Nothing could be
further from the truth when the public knows the facts.

The repubs had better govern according to conservative
principles without regard for the bogus polls.

Amjean on March 5, 2011 at 1:14 PM

There shouldn’t be any negotiating going on. There should be legislating.

Emperor Norton on March 5, 2011 at 1:15 PM

After this is over, pass a law that criminalizes fleebagging and automatically vacates the seat. Give the governor the authority to fill the seat with someone of his choice.

darwin on March 5, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Hey someone should ask Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh what they think of the situation.

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Let us for the sake of argument say they are….what does your post even effing mean? Sheesh you’re stupid.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM

catmman on March 5, 2011 at 12:52 PM

you can’t
Another wonderful union law, notice must be given one month ahead of the layoff.
/sarc

What is sad is that the teachers caused this crap but teachers don’t report to the governor but local schools.The state workers for the most part went to work.

Gracelynn on March 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Emperor Norton on March 5, 2011 at 1:15 PM

No point in negotiating after the Dems poisoned the well. Make like Shrestha and start cutting!

Christien on March 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM

Hey someone should ask Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh what they think of the situation.
They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.
Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

They’re not.
darwin on March 5, 2011 at 1:11 PM

“Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh belong to the American Federation Television and Radio Artists union (AFTRA), which is the AFL-CIO affiliate for television and broadcast workers.”

rjl1999 on March 5, 2011 at 1:19 PM

darwin@1:15,
I agree, but all states should pass the law. Now that the d’s have seen how they can hold up the states from doing business, the whole blooming bunch will flee to other states.

letget on March 5, 2011 at 1:19 PM

“Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh belong to the American Federation Television and Radio Artists union (AFTRA), which is the AFL-CIO affiliate for television and broadcast workers.”

rjl1999 on March 5, 2011 at 1:19 PM

Link?

darwin on March 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM

At this time every single person who is going to form an opinion has.

Everyone knows the deal. They know who was for what. They know who ran from a democratic vote.

Two years from now this process stuff is not going to be remembered. And hopefully states can put laws on the books to stop democracy from being held hostage again in this way.

I don’t like the idea of Walker issueing executive orders I think he should do a vote, that isn’t budget. Executive orders are too autocratic.

Also he has the votes he should make the Republicans say whether they agree or not.

These reforms will be popular if they work. Process is important but not remembered if the trains run on time.

petunia on March 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Dick Morris was commenting on some of the provisions on Greta’s show last night, limiting the wages to inflation rate.

hawkman on March 5, 2011 at 1:22 PM

Dave, as a token of my American hospitality, here’s some reading up on the differences between public and private unions.

RepubChica on March 5, 2011 at 1:22 PM

darwin@1:15,
I agree, but all states should pass the law. Now that the d’s have seen how they can hold up the states from doing business, the whole blooming bunch will flee to other states.

letget on March 5, 2011 at 1:19 PM

It doesn’t matter where they flee. If a law is passed that once fleebagging has occurred, the seat is automatically vacated. The governor will then appoint a replacement.

darwin on March 5, 2011 at 1:23 PM

rjj– that quote is ALL OVER left wing sites. Interesting you did not link.

Even if they are members are they supposed to shut up? Of course we know that is why idiots like Rywall even go there.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 1:25 PM

Hey someone should ask Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh what they think of the situation.

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

I see Sap Season has started in Canada too…got any waffles, Sheetrock?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeRE8MOnLvk

Del Dolemonte on March 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM

rjl1999 on March 5, 2011 at 1:19 PM

The things you learn on this site. I had no idea that AFTRA was a public employee union. And if it isn’t, what does it have to do with anything?

SKYFOX on March 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Yes Hannity et al belong to a Union. It isn’t ,I believe, a Public Union, it is a Private Union not overseen by the tax payers. Public means Government !

sandee on March 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM

One way or another, this union power grabbing and widespread corruption will end in the coming months. Unions have sealed their fate by way of vanity, thuggery, and corruption. We are in the majority and will not succumb to this behavior any longer. If the political process fails us with this critical issue, then other methods will be implemented as we are no longer going to stand for this lawless behavior. I make no threat here; this is just a reality of what will happen if the political process fails us once again. Patience and Tolerance with the process is behind us now.

Keemo on March 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Hard Oneball? How many times has he delayed his layoff date?

burt on March 5, 2011 at 12:58 PM

wait til you father gets home!

darwin-t on March 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM

There shouldn’t be any negotiating going on. There should be legislating.

Emperor Norton on March 5, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Rick Scott was dealing with a bunch of Dems on this high speed rail crap… They went so far as to file suit against him in the Supreme Court, and they LOST. Unanimous decision. There were some really po’d lefties walking around. It was beautiful to watch.

Key West Reader on March 5, 2011 at 1:27 PM

we are no longer going to stand for this lawless behavior.
Keemo on March 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Indeed.

Weight of Glory on March 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Even if Walker’s strategy leads to “legitimizing” fleebagging, that’s only going to matter to either hardcore base. Independents don’t like to have to call a Best Western in another state to contact their representative.

BKennedy on March 5, 2011 at 1:28 PM

Hey someone should ask Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh what they think of the situation.

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Actually sh*t for brains, no body needs to ask those folks as they make their living telling millions of people everyday what they think of unions and many other topics as well.

Keemo on March 5, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Del Dolemonte on March 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM

Just like it takes 40 drops of sap to make one drop of syrup, it takes 40 David Rywalls to make a drop of sense.

Christien on March 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM

Hey someone should ask Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh what they think of the situation.

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Of course they do moron. They cannot go on the air and receive a salry without joining they union PERIOD. Mark Levin has talked about this often. IT IS MANDATORY!

Henny on March 5, 2011 at 1:31 PM

OT: Has HA covered the Eric Holder, “my people” comment…?

d1carter on March 5, 2011 at 1:32 PM

I’m sure this Governor could use some support from us..
I’ll be sending him my words of encouragement once again.

Keemo on March 5, 2011 at 1:32 PM

Scott Walker email address:

govgeneral@wisconsin.gov

write to him and encourage him to stand strong and make NO changes. Don’t ligitimize the Dem’s and their being MIA.

highninside on March 5, 2011 at 1:32 PM

The things you learn on this site. I had no idea that AFTRA was a public employee union.

SKYFOX on March 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM

You slay me. Heh. Bet that goes right over Davey’s head.

On Feb. 18, Limbaugh said on his radio program, “We are either on the side of the Wisconsin protesters or we are on the side of our country.”

http://www.alternet.org/news/150054/confirmed:_union-bashing_right-wing_media_stars_hannity,_limbaugh_and_o'reilly_are_afl-cio_union-affiliated_members

OMG Rush criticized the Wisconsin union./sarc

You see what theses left wing sites that the Rywalls visit don’t argue the issues but instead play these straw man games while trying to stifle debate.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Just like it takes 40 drops of sap to make one drop of syrup, it takes 40 David Rywalls to make a drop of sense.

Christien on March 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM

LMAO… How true that is! This idiot goes back to the Captains Quarters days, and has only become more unhinged over the years. Vile human for sure.

Keemo on March 5, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Dave, as a token of my American hospitality, here’s some reading up on the differences between public and private unions.

RepubChica on March 5, 2011 at 1:22 PM

Ahhhhhh the predictable moving of the goalposts. Right on schedule.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:36 PM

The GOP will betray you

I am hope I am wrong

True_King on March 5, 2011 at 1:36 PM

And who’s to say the Assembly will pass the amended Senate bill?

There is no reason to cut a deal on anything.

ButterflyDragon on March 5, 2011 at 1:36 PM

If they love their union, why wouldn’t they vote every year to keep their union. What is the union so worried about? Seems like a good give away for the state.

Kissmygrits on March 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM

OT: Has HA covered the Eric Holder, “my people” comment…?

d1carter on March 5, 2011 at 1:32 PM

I’m not sure. But Michelle Malkin has:

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/03/04/hey-eric-holder-meet-my-people/

BuckeyeSam on March 5, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Ahhhhhh the predictable moving of the goalposts. Right on schedule.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Now how ironic is that? The post is about a deal in Madison and you bring up Limbaugh and the others. You’re funny.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 1:39 PM

Ahhhhhh the predictable moving of the goalposts. Right on schedule.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:36 PM

hey gomer, get a clue, NY isn’t a right to work state…in other words they had no choice they were forced to join a union…..no freedom of choice when it comes to union thugs…and you democrats are fine with that.

right4life on March 5, 2011 at 1:39 PM

Rjj and Dry,

We know what unions aren’t evil. I don’t think Rush or O’reilly or anyone thinks unions are intrinsically evil.

But they have gone too far and spread into areas where people are already protected by laws.

Union leaders have no jobs if they don’t push for more and more and more. That is the problem there is no limits on union power.

Public sector unions should be very very limited and only used if there is abuse of power by the government. Instead unions are used to further the careers of politicians at the expense of the little guy who has to pay for all the outrageous things the politicians agree to.

The little guy is getting bilked in our current union system.

petunia on March 5, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Rjj still no linky? GFY

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Now how ironic is that? The post is about a deal in Madison and you bring up Limbaugh and the others. You’re funny.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 1:39 PM

Funny isn’t the word that comes to my mind when thinking about this vile POS creature. This thing is a Canadian commie who has no right engaging in American affairs. The hatred this creature has for America runs deep and has sickened it’s soul.

Keemo on March 5, 2011 at 1:43 PM

The last provision especially is anathema to Democrats and unions, who say it could kill many labor groups.

No, it would kill contributions to the Democratic Party. That’s their primary concern.

GarandFan on March 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Davey read the post.Nothing about Limbaugh …quit moving the goalposts moron. Damn you are an idiot.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM

the lefty wackos also accused Beck and Michelle of being members of the union…they think they’re really onto something, when as usual, they got nothing…

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/02/25/stupid-lie-of-the-week-fox-news-people-are-hypocritical-aftra-members/

right4life on March 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

They’re not.

darwin on March 5, 2011 at 1:11 PM

BOR admitted he belongs to the union last week.

Knucklehead on March 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Ahhhhhh the predictable moving of the goalposts. Right on schedule.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Do you think people should be forced to join unions? How about having unions dues automatically taken from their pay whether they join or not? You think that’s cool?

darwin on March 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM

BuckeyeSam on March 5, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Thanks. MM is the best. I was just wondering why HA has avoided that story.

d1carter on March 5, 2011 at 1:47 PM

BOR admitted he belongs to the union last week.

Knucklehead on March 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM

None of them are in a public sector union. Public unions (especially shop states where no choice is given) and private unions are two completely different animals.

I don’t think we need to break down the difference between a state sanctioned monopoly trying to “negotiate” and how a free market system negotiates.

If we do need to break down to the nitty gritty details, I’ll be more than happy to do so in a follow up post.

ButterflyDragon on March 5, 2011 at 1:48 PM

The relationship between Unions and the Democrat party is a money laundering scheme of epic proportion. Nothing else need be discussed without this dynamic being top of the conversation. This is as un-American as anything I have seen in my lifetime. Dangerous beyond comprehension.

Keemo on March 5, 2011 at 1:49 PM

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Some people are forced to join unions as a term of employment. Not all of them like it

darwin-t on March 5, 2011 at 1:49 PM

darwin-t but what does that even have to do with the argument in Wisconsin? That is Rywalls game. Notice not one word from him about the Wisconsin deal in progress. Straw Man.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 1:54 PM

This is a direct result of all those polls that have come out.

WisCon on March 5, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Some people are forced to join unions as a term of employment. Not all of them like it

darwin-t on March 5, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Yeah. Like the Republican teachers in Wisconsin who are forced to vote against their own dollars on election day.

They watch their dues get turned into Democratic Party donations with no recourse other than moving to a right to work state.

Imagine if the NRA were to start a police union. Wonder how quickly the word “fascist” would get thrown around? 5 seconds? Less?

ButterflyDragon on March 5, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Do you think people should be forced to join unions? How about having unions dues automatically taken from their pay whether they join or not? You think that’s cool?

darwin on March 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM
———
what a uselessly stupid planet sized hypothetical question

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 2:02 PM

what a uselessly stupid planet sized hypothetical question

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 2:02 PM

That’s not a hypothetical question. That is reality.

ButterflyDragon on March 5, 2011 at 2:07 PM

what a uselessly stupid planet sized hypothetical question

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Dave is avoiding the question by trying to kill the messenger.

unclesmrgol on March 5, 2011 at 2:16 PM

what a uselessly stupid planet sized hypothetical question

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 2:02 PM

You’re hilarious. You change the discussion then mock those that discuss the turd you dropped. Nice work. Pretty typical.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Davey do you even know what hypothetical means? Damn you are dim.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Hey someone should ask Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh what they think of the situation.

They would have some keen insight since they’re union members.

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM

I’m sure you think this was some awesome point that just went over every ones head so why don’t you explain your point to us? You don’t have to join a union to be on-air talent at FOX so BOR and Hannity have the freedom to join a union if they want. I don’t know about Hannity, but BOR has said he did choose to join the private sector union and he thinks they do good stuff. I’m almost positive Rush isn’t in a union. If you have information that he is the share with the class. If it’s a union he was forced to join then you point is kinda moot isn’t it? It’s like saying I can’t complain about property taxes because I pay them.

Ampersand on March 5, 2011 at 2:20 PM

What is this, about the seventh “the sky is falling, the Republicans are going to cave” story in the past two weeks?

lowandslow on March 5, 2011 at 2:20 PM

The talks have also touched on the possibility of removing or changing a provision that would require workers to vote every year on whether their union would remain active or be decertified, the sources said.

Why would this be a problem? After all, unions are so great and all…

ladyingray on March 5, 2011 at 2:20 PM

BOR admitted he belongs to the union last week.

Knucklehead on March 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM

So does Sean Hannity. They have no choice.

ladyingray on March 5, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Davey is trying to stifle debate that is all. Hell he doesn’t even know how to debate. So many on the left talk about the ability to freely discuss issues yet like Davey they try to use straw men to shut people up.

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 2:22 PM

rjj you still there? You ran like a little scared girl. Sheesh

CWforFreedom on March 5, 2011 at 2:24 PM

I’m hoping the republican concessions are just a trap. The fleebaggers wont accept the deal. Now they can mute some of the criticism of the bill by saying they were willing to make some deals but the fleebaggers just ran away and wouldn’t even come to the table.

Ampersand on March 5, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Dave Rywall on March 5, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Nothing hypothetical about it. I was forced to pay dues to unions for 25 years as a teacher. When I requested per California law that they rebate any money used for political action I was given a list of charities I would have to donate it to. Funny thing was they were all Progressives charities involved in political action. When I asked to be able to donate to a non-political action charity they refused. Was it fair to force me to donate to Progressives causes as a non-progressive?

chemman on March 5, 2011 at 2:27 PM

So does Sean Hannity. They have no choice.

ladyingray on March 5, 2011 at 2:22 PM

I’m pretty sure they do. BOR stated that FOX doesn’t force you to be in a union to work there.

Ampersand on March 5, 2011 at 2:27 PM

I’m pretty sure they do*. BOR stated that FOX doesn’t force you to be in a union to work there.

Ampersand on March 5, 2011 at 2:27 PM

*have a choice that is.

Ampersand on March 5, 2011 at 2:29 PM

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