Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

posted at 1:36 pm on March 4, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

CNS News has a pretty good moment here for Barack Obama from yesterdays’ presser with Mexico’s President Felipe Calderon, after a reporter from Mexico challenged Obama on why he doesn’t just “veto” the 2nd Amendment. Obama patiently explains that American Presidents have to work within the Constitution and don’t have the power to veto its provisions, and then explains that the 2nd Amendment isn’t the problem in gunrunning between here and Mexico. We can and should curtail that through enforcement of existing law, Obama says, rather than infringing on the “legitimate” uses of firearms by American citizens:

“The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution allows American citizens to carry weapons and this principle is defended,” the Mexican reporter said. “However, President Calderón has said that this law in Congress–this could actually go against U.S. agents, and this has happened. So, President Obama, in Mexico we have the veto, the power of veto. I don’t know how far you have the ability to veto that law that has been approved. And if you have that responsibility, why don’t you do so, sir? How long are we going to allow Mexicans to be murdered–and not just Mexicans, but now Americans, as well?”

Obama responded: “Well, the Second Amendment in this country is part of our Constitution, and the president of the United States is bound by our Constitution. So I believe in the Second Amendment. It does provide for Americans the right to bear arms for their protection, for their safety, for hunting, for a wide range of uses. That does not mean that we cannot constrain gun-runners from shipping guns into Mexico. And so we believe that we can shape an enforcement strategy that slows the flow of guns into Mexico, while at the same time preserving our Constitution.”

Of course, we would need the ATF to stop expediting the flow of guns first before attempting to interdict them, as one ATF agent accuses the agency of doing:

An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson’s job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen.

Investigators call the tactic letting guns “walk.” In this case, walking into the hands of criminals who would use them in Mexico and the United States.

Dodson’s bosses say that never happened. Now, he’s risking his job to go public.

“I’m boots on the ground in Phoenix, telling you we’ve been doing it every day since I’ve been here,” he said. “Here I am. Tell me I didn’t do the things that I did. Tell me you didn’t order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn’t happen. Now you have a name on it. You have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now, tell me it didn’t happen.”

Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.

ATF named the case “Fast and Furious.”

In defense of the ATF, I’m not sure I’d bet on the ability of Mexico’s security forces to keep a secret. But it’s hardly clear that “gun walking” would provide a boon of information to take down one of Mexico’s cartels. Instead, it just seems to have allowed the cartels to arm themselves a little more cheaply than otherwise. After the murder of an American border agent — which should be a high-profile investigation — the provenance of the weapon doesn’t appear to have given the US or Mexico any better leverage against the cartels at all.


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Investigators call the tactic letting guns “walk.” In this case, walking into the hands of criminals who would use them in Mexico and the United States.

I have asked this on the other thread: Why would the BATF be wanting to have guns shipped with their blessing over the border?

Why wouldn’t they do something about it?

What advantage would it be for them to have lots of extra guns – Traceable back to the US – end up in Mexico?

I mean, they keep on looking for more power and funding based on this mythical flow of guns (at least partially provided by them).

However, it could not be that, could it?

Colbyjack on March 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Let me be clear. The whole point of HAVING the second ammendment is so it doesn’t make a rat’s ass what the Preseident thinks about this subject.

MikeA on March 4, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Yeah, buddy. That’s why he is allowing the ICE unit to go into Mexico, unarmed. I have not read the comments, but I’m sure this was immediately brought up before….but needs to be emphasized.

betsyz on March 4, 2011 at 3:45 PM

Reference links to the Gunwalker scandal:
Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico

One e-mail noted, “958 killed in March 2010 … most violent month since 2005.” The same e-mail notes: “Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during March alone,” including “numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles.”

Dodson feels that ATF was partly to blame for the escalating violence in Mexico and on the border. “I even asked them if they could see the correlation between the two,” he said. “The more our guys buy, the more violence we’re having down there.”

ATF Let Hundreds of U.S. Weapons Fall into Hands of Suspected Mexican Gunrunners

With direct blessing of ATF headquarters in Washington and supervision by the U.S. attorney’s office in Phoenix, a special ATF strike force known as Group VII was given permission to let federally licensed gun shops continue selling weapons to straw buyers already linked to a suspected Mexican gun running operation.

Officials told the Center that ATF allowed about 1,765 firearms over the 15 months of the operation to pass from gun dealers to the suspected straw buyers that were the accomplices of the gun running ring. Another 233 weapons had been bought by the suspects prior to the ATF operation starting, bringing the total number of guns in the case to 1,998.

ATF Orders Immediate Review of Gun-Running Operation

Updated: 3/4/2011, 12:50 pm | The head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive on Thursday night ordered an outside evaluation of his agency’s efforts to combat Mexican gun trafficking following a Center for Public Integrity report that ATF supervisors allowed more than 1,700 guns to flow to straw buyers with the expectation the weapons might cross the border and even be used in crimes.

ATF begins spin in wake of devastating press reports

Now that CBS News has delivered its second definitive report on the scope of “Project Gunwalker”* and Senator Grassley has expressed his determination to not allow the Department of Justice to stonewall his investigations, the damage control at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives have begun in earnest.

Senator Grassley’s latest letter to Holder & Melson. 5 Pages and 10 Attachments of damning documents. These guys are gonna need a real good lawyer.

Insert witty screen name here on March 4, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Reference links to the Gunwalker scandal:
Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico

One e-mail noted, “958 killed in March 2010 … most violent month since 2005.” The same e-mail notes: “Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during March alone,” including “numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles.”

Dodson feels that ATF was partly to blame for the escalating violence in Mexico and on the border. “I even asked them if they could see the correlation between the two,” he said. “The more our guys buy, the more violence we’re having down there.”

ATF Let Hundreds of U.S. Weapons Fall into Hands of Suspected Mexican Gunrunners

With direct blessing of ATF headquarters in Washington and supervision by the U.S. attorney’s office in Phoenix, a special ATF strike force known as Group VII was given permission to let federally licensed gun shops continue selling weapons to straw buyers already linked to a suspected Mexican gun running operation.

Officials told the Center that ATF allowed about 1,765 firearms over the 15 months of the operation to pass from gun dealers to the suspected straw buyers that were the accomplices of the gun running ring. Another 233 weapons had been bought by the suspects prior to the ATF operation starting, bringing the total number of guns in the case to 1,998.

Insert witty screen name here on March 4, 2011 at 3:49 PM

More Reference links to the Gunwalker scandal:

ATF Orders Immediate Review of Gun-Running Operation

Updated: 3/4/2011, 12:50 pm | The head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive on Thursday night ordered an outside evaluation of his agency’s efforts to combat Mexican gun trafficking following a Center for Public Integrity report that ATF supervisors allowed more than 1,700 guns to flow to straw buyers with the expectation the weapons might cross the border and even be used in crimes.

ATF begins spin in wake of devastating press reports

Now that CBS News has delivered its second definitive report on the scope of “Project Gunwalker”* and Senator Grassley has expressed his determination to not allow the Department of Justice to stonewall his investigations, the damage control at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives have begun in earnest.

Insert witty screen name here on March 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM

So even if Obama could just veto the 2nd Ammendemnt. What an arrogant prick, expecting the president of the US to veto a law just so Mexicans benefit.

Oh wait, he’s not arrogant. He just figures since Obama vetoed the US border in Arizona, he’d do this as well.

angryed on March 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM

He only supports the Right to Bare Arms because his wife says so.

malclave on March 4, 2011 at 4:43 PM

the right to bear arms is to protect us agaisnt tyranny, this guy is stupid .the mexican peeople are held hostage between their goverment, and those who wish to be their goverment.its been that way fo;rever. ( WHY ) because the people in mexico dont have a second amendment

rico101 on March 4, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Colbyjack on March 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Remember the Waco raid was to be a flashy media win that would get the ATF more funding.

It seems to be Standard Operating Procedure for them.

mad saint jack on March 4, 2011 at 5:05 PM

You could see the grimace on the President’s face when he was forced to defend our second amendment and our Constitution for that matter.

Maybe it would be good to remind President Calderon that his country is a gun free zone and ask him how peon’s and cartel’s are working out?

And if Obama supports our second amendment how about suing states like California as he has Arizona, for supposedly violating our supremacy clause, for going far far beyond federal firearm statutes? And who show no signs of slowing up or even complying with the Heller decision.

Speakup on March 4, 2011 at 5:07 PM

The Constitution & its parts is not something one believes.
It is something one must understand so that they may abide by it.
Belief in it has nothing to do with the fact that people who live here must ABIDE BY what it states.
End of story.

Badger40 on March 4, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Insert witty screen name here on March 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Thank you very much for the posts. Almost 2,000 weapons supplied by our own government for the purpose of damaging the Constitution of the United States. Make no mistake, with the statements by Barry, Holder, and Clinton that American guns were the problem with Mexico while behind the scenes they were supplying those same guns was an attempt to deny all Americans of their right to keep and bear arms.

Where is there a real cop when you need one? Where are all these so called ‘journalists’ at? Where are the warrants?

***spitting on the sidewalk so hard it is cracking****

Limerick on March 4, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment… like a chicken believes in omelettes.

petefrt on March 4, 2011 at 5:58 PM

petefrt on March 4, 2011 at 5:58 PM

*omelettes* That would be francaise for om·e·let, pl. :(

petefrt on March 4, 2011 at 6:03 PM

There is the arguement from Mexico blaming America for the drug running. There is a demand for drugs in America. Remove the demand and there won’t be any illegal smuggling of drugs.

Let us use the same arguement for guns and see how they respond. There is a demand for guns in Mexico. Remove the demand and there won’t be any illegal smuggling of guns.

DAT60A3 on March 4, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Presidente Calderon, How about taking care of the AK-47 in YOUR eye before worrying about the .25 derringer in mine.

TugboatPhil on March 4, 2011 at 6:32 PM

He must be desperate to acknowledge the 2nd A. Too bad he didn’t blame the Mexican druggies for the flow. After all, if they weren’t demanding the guns, we’d never send them there. It’s completely market driven. Just say no to guns Mexico.

JimP on March 4, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment

Yeah, we know. Just like you believe in fiscal responsibility.

Scrappy on March 4, 2011 at 6:51 PM

. . . it’s hardly clear that “gun walking” would provide a boon of information to take down one of Mexico’s cartels. Instead, it just seems to have allowed the cartels to arm themselves a little more cheaply than otherwise. . .
Well, it’s also allowed there to be a far larger pool of US-sourced for both small arms treaty supporters, and anti-constitutionalist gun controllers in America to point to in order to further their agendas.

Siddhartha Vicious on March 4, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Dammit, that was supposed to be a quote, not a strike out.

. . .

it’s hardly clear that “gun walking” would provide a boon of information to take down one of Mexico’s cartels. Instead, it just seems to have allowed the cartels to arm themselves a little more cheaply than otherwise. . .

Siddhartha Vicious on March 4, 2011 at 7:17 PM

When the gun walker project got going the ATF office in Mexico protested- because the Phoenix office running the program refused to tell the Mexican government what they were doing. The Mexican ATF office went over Phoenix’s head and talked to Washington- they were told to keep their mouths shut.

One facet of this scandal that should not be overlooked is how high this went up- there are suggestions that Holder’s DoJ were involved and that the Obama White House was involved.

Jay Mac on March 4, 2011 at 7:33 PM

He believes in constitutionally limited government too.

AshleyTKing on March 4, 2011 at 8:57 PM

What advantage would it be for them to have lots of extra guns – Traceable back to the US – end up in Mexico?I mean, they keep on looking for more power and funding based on this mythical flow of guns (at least partially provided by them).

However, it could not be that, could it?

Colbyjack on March 4, 2011 at 3:40 PM

The advantage would be to reinforce the myth that the guns in Mexico are coming from the US, thus giving the reason to restrict gun sales in the US.

They keep saying that 90% of the guns in Mexico are traced to the US, when in fact of the guns that CAN BE TRACED, which is less than 10% of them, a lot of them can be traced here. Most of the guns used in Mexico can’t be traced to a place of origin. The ATF program was intended to beef up the number of guns that can be traced here, thus giving the excuse of limiting our gun rights. This is a back-door effort to institute gun control.

iurockhead on March 4, 2011 at 10:01 PM

If it can be proved that many Mexicans were killed with these “walking” guns it would give the gun banners an issue to highlight as to why guns must be controlled and/or banned in the interest of world safety.

RJL on March 4, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Obama: I believe in the 2nd Amendment.

And I honestly believe that the man believes in nothing.

Except the sound of his own voice.

coldwarrior on March 5, 2011 at 8:31 AM

If you like your current Doctor, you can keep them. If you want to have choices, you can have them. This is not about Single Payer. Etc. Etc.

I believe in the 2nd Amendment

YOU. LIE.

That is all.

KMC1 on March 5, 2011 at 11:16 AM

And I believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Philly on March 5, 2011 at 4:38 PM

…..EVERY PRECEDING POST…..
every preceding poster on March 4-5, 2011 & BEYOND

It is truly outraqeous and borders on a false flag play.

roy_batty on March 5, 2011 at 9:02 PM

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