Fleebagging the hot new fad?

posted at 10:15 am on March 4, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The media loves nothing better than a hot new dance craze, a fashion trend, or some other kind of fad to beat into the ground.  Anyone remember the Lambada?  The Brazilian “forbidden” dance got so popular that it spawned not one but two utterly atrocious big-screen duds in 1990, Lambada (which lectured on class snobbery and bigotry), and Lambada: The Forbidden Dance (which lectured on the rain forest and the environment).  At least my pet rock kept its opinions to itself.

Now the Washington Post reports on the latest dance craze to hit the political set — fleebagging:

Lawmaking can be a frustrating business, especially when you’re outnumbered. But some Democratic state legislators have recently embraced a simple tool to gain leverage: the empty chair.

The strategy was used to great effect this week, when two Maryland delegates did not show up at a committee meeting about a bill that would legalize same-sex marriage. Their colleagues cracked nervous jokes for 30 minutes before the session was canceled, delaying a final vote.

The tactic is still being used in spectacular fashion by Wisconsin legislators, who fled to Illinois two weeks ago to prevent a vote on a bill that would weaken public employee unions. And Democrats in Indiana who are upset about a similar issue also have decamped to Illinois, holing up at a Comfort Suites in Urbana. They work out of the breakfast nook, subsist on Subway sandwiches and donated chili dinners, and make frequent visits to the coin-op laundry.

Like every fad, though, this one has its downside.  The Lambada inspired awful, sanctimonious movies.  Fleebagging inspires, well …

The 14 Wisconsin senators on the lam, who left their colleagues one member shy of a quorum, have been hailed as heroes by some who think they are taking a principled stand against an unreasonable majority. But their critics have compared them to kindergartners and have ridiculed them as “the Wisconsin Flee Party.”

“If I did that in my job, I’d be fired,” said David Stevens, 44, a database analyst from Indianapolis who is sympathetic to the unions but not to the Democrats delaying the proceedings.

However, not everyone who champions this new fad has the requisite follow-through.  Byron York reports that some of the original 14 Fleebaggers have been cheating a little bit on their technique:

One of the reasons Wisconsin Republican senators voted to place warrants on what are now called the fugitive Democratic senators is that at least some of those Democrats — the same ones who vowed to stay out of state until they prevail in the controversy over Gov. Scott Walker’s budget proposal — have in fact been returning to Wisconsin for personal visits.

“We know that certain senators have been coming back on the weekends and spending time with their families or coming back at night,” Republican Sen. Randy Hopper told me Thursday night.  In an interview with Fox News’ Greta van Susteren, Majority Leader Sen. Scott Fitzgerald said much the same thing. “There’s no doubt that the Democratic senators have been sneaking back and forth,” Fitzgerald told Fox, “and some being as bold as to stay overnight in their own homes.”

What kind of fleebagging is that?  It’s like doing the Lambada while giving your partner six inches of daylight on the dance floor.  In fact, it’s even more pointless than that.  The Wisconsin Senate only has to find one fugitive Democrat to restore the quorum in the upper chamber and complete the legislative process for the bill.  If police do detain one of the Democrats and bring them back to the capital, then the entire dance would have been meaningless.

Republicans in Wisconsin have to stay firm on this point.  This goes beyond the legislation on the table and strikes at the very heart of the legislature itself.  If a losing party in an election can succeed in shutting down representative government to block the will of a majority, then we will shortly have no more representative government.  Success here will inspire both parties in other states to join in the fad, and we will see the end of responsible government as a consequence.  Anyone who hopes that representative government itself won’t go the way of the leisure suit has to pray that fleebaggers fail, and fail publicly.


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At least my pet rock kept its opinions to itself.

How about your mood ring? What does it have to say?

UltimateBob on March 4, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Lambada!!

JohnGalt23 on March 4, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Well, reasonable people hope it will fail. Unreasonable people, and liberals (but I repeat myself) don’t care about democracy at all. In particular, liberal fascists (again, redundant) want democracy to fail, to be replaced by a “government by the elites.”

After all, who can argue that Hahvahd grads know more about everything than Joe the Plumber, right?

Vanceone on March 4, 2011 at 10:21 AM

How about your mood ring? What does it have to say?

UltimateBob on March 4, 2011 at 10:19 AM

I’m pretty sure my old troll doll is one of the posters here at HotAir.

Disturb the Universe on March 4, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Del. Tiffany T. Alston (D-Prince George’s) said in an interview that she needed more time “to think and to pray” about what she considers a “deeply personal issue for myself and my constituents.”

Del. Jill P. Carter (D-Baltimore) said she continues to support the bill but was withholding her committee vote to gain “leverage” on school funding and another largely unrelated issue.

Interesting…
If I’m not mistaken, both Baltimore and PG are AA majority counties.

Count to 10 on March 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Arrest all 14 of them for sediton because that’s what it is.

SouthernGent on March 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM

If a losing party in an election can succeed in shutting down representative government to block the will of a majority, then we will shortly have no more representative government. Success here will inspire both parties in other states to join in the fad, and we will see the end of responsible government as a consequence.

Which is why I imagine this will become a huge campaign issue in 2012. They’re gonna have to come up with some sort of law to prevent this from ever happening again. Either the threat of immediate removal from office or even jail time. You can’t have people literally shutting down our government by vacating their seats and hightailing it out of the state just because a bill comes along that they disagree with.

Doughboy on March 4, 2011 at 10:25 AM

There is a simple way to keep this from happening: abolish elections and appoint a board of liberals to make all the decisions.

Why do I have to explain everything around here.

Bishop on March 4, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Anyone remember the Lambada?

wasn’t the movie La Bamba? (or maybe I’m getting my dance crazes and dead latin singers mixed up)

ted c on March 4, 2011 at 10:25 AM

If they know that legislators are coming back into Wisconsin at night, why can’t the Capitol police stake out their houses and take them into custody and bring them to the legislature for the vote?

ConservativeMom on March 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM

then we will shortly have no more representative government.

and with that statement, you just summed up the entire goal of the political Left in this country.

oldleprechaun on March 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM

There is a reasonable filibuster like we have in the Senate, and then there is fleebagging. The Senate can just go onto other topics when there is a filibuster. Fleebagging brings the legislative process down and should not be allowed.

There is a karma to playing legislative games like fleebagging. The side that starts them often ends up regretting it when their opponents use the same ploy.

thuja on March 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM

At least my pet rock kept its opinions to itself.

Your pet rock was more intelligent than some of the people I’ve seen on camera in Madison lately.

Mr. D on March 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Why are the Republican Wisconsin legislators unwilling to pass important legislation in the absence of democrats, especially voter ID? There should be two sides to this coin. I must be missing something.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM

I am still struggling with the downside of having Democrats who never vote.

percysunshine on March 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM

They can’t make a decision because their Mystic 8-Ball keeps saying “Ask again”.

SKYFOX on March 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM

The outrage by the dems and the lsm if the GOP did this for even 1 day…..

Hypocrites the lot of them

cmsinaz on March 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM

I don’t think the 2 in Maryland really fall into the category. They didn’t run away. Not showing up for votes is just another way of voting no. It happens all the time. Their absence didn’t deny the bill a vote in committee.

Rocks on March 4, 2011 at 10:31 AM

If they know that legislators are coming back into Wisconsin at night, why can’t the Capitol police stake out their houses and take them into custody and bring them to the legislature for the vote?

ConservativeMom on March 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Because the cops refuse to do their jobs, conflict of interest.

wi farmgirl on March 4, 2011 at 10:32 AM

The most dangerous game…of Red light green light 1,2,3 ever.

I accidentally miscalculated my vacation days and wound up losing a chunck of my paycheck recently. These DB’s are going on a 3 week vacation with pay. At this point it’s too late to just show up and do the job they’re paid to do, they need (as Ed says) to fail publically. And it’s up to the GOP to drive it home (so…yeah).

DrAllecon on March 4, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Why are the Republican Wisconsin legislators unwilling to pass important legislation in the absence of democrats, especially voter ID? There should be two sides to this coin. I must be missing something.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM

For the life of me I can’t figure this out. This would be the most important thing they could do now. I can only imagine what will happen if they recall any of the repubs, there will be voter fraud for sure.

wi farmgirl on March 4, 2011 at 10:33 AM

There is a simple way to keep this from happening: abolish elections and appoint a board of liberals to make all the decisions.

Why do I have to explain everything around here.

Bishop on March 4, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Obama reads your comment, then rubs his mitts together, saying….Soon my racist enemy. Very, very soon!

capejasmine on March 4, 2011 at 10:33 AM

I want to see a democrat get dragged kicking and screaming into the legislature by state police. On the one hand, it’s comedy gold, on the other hand….well I can’t think of another up-side. The campaign slogans for both sides write themselves.

I hadn’t thought through the implications of this like you have ED- it is indeed our entire political process getting held hostage by these 14 Democrats. Why is it that democrats are always on the cutting edge of finding new and infuriating ways to disrupt our political system? They certainly made the senate confirmation process alot more interesting and now this!

Mord on March 4, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Obama reads your comment, then rubs his mitts together, saying….Soon my racist enemy. Very, very soon!
capejasmine on March 4, 2011 at 10:33 AM

This explains the black van parked at the end of my driveway for the last week. I keep trying to peer inside but even the windows are opaque.

Bishop on March 4, 2011 at 10:36 AM

I have been job searching in other states this morning to see where else we can go if this goes bad here because if they recall an it goes back to what it was we will be so far in debt there will be no way out.

wi farmgirl on March 4, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Hey. Come to think of it, fleebagging was invented in Texas.

percysunshine on March 4, 2011 at 10:37 AM

Indiana has lots of jobs I can do.. Anyone live there? Are houses affordable?

wi farmgirl on March 4, 2011 at 10:39 AM

MACARENA!

disa on March 4, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Indiana has lots of jobs I can do.. Anyone live there? Are houses affordable?

wi farmgirl on March 4, 2011 at 10:39 AM

A friend of mine in San Diego often visited family there and was astounded by the affordable house prices.

disa on March 4, 2011 at 10:41 AM

In an interview with Fox News’ Greta van Susteren, Majority Leader Sen. Scott Fitzgerald said much the same thing. “There’s no doubt that the Democratic senators have been sneaking back and forth,” Fitzgerald told Fox, “and some being as bold as to stay overnight in their own homes.”

Well dummy, why didn’t you have some PIs tracking them then? And why are you tipping them off now that you know?

Stupid.

WisCon on March 4, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Anyone remember the Lambada?

wasn’t the movie La Bamba? (or maybe I’m getting my dance crazes and dead latin singers mixed up)

ted c on March 4, 2011 at 10:25 AM

No, “Lambada” was a 1990 film released during the Lambada dance craze; another movie about the same thing was released the same year called “The Forbidden Dance”. Both basically bombed.

“La Bamba” the movie came out 3 years earlier, in 1987, and the title song was a huge hit for East LA Band Los Lobos, who are as I speak opening for Eric Clapton on his US tour.

BTW, Clapton was spotted yesterday in a LA laundromat-doing his own laundry!

Del Dolemonte on March 4, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Republicans in Wisconsin have to stay firm on this point. This goes beyond the legislation on the table and strikes at the very heart of the legislature itself. If a losing party in an election can succeed in shutting down representative government to block the will of a majority, then we will shortly have no more representative government. Success here will inspire both parties in other states to join in the fad, and we will see the end of responsible government as a consequence. Anyone who hopes that representative government itself won’t go the way of the leisure suit has to pray that fleebaggers fail, and fail publicly.

Great post Ed! It leads right back to today’s Obamateurism

For a legitimate government to govern, this fleebagging must fail.

Rovin on March 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM

At least my pet rock kept its opinions to itself.

Heh!!!!

Baxter Greene on March 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM

This goes beyond the legislation on the table and strikes at the very heart of the legislature itself. If a losing party in an election can succeed in shutting down representative government to block the will of a majority, then we will shortly have no more representative government.

I becoming more and more of the opinion that marxists (of whatever stripe) have taken control of the Democratic Party. And they want to destroy the current American model. It’s not that every Democrat believes this, but they are useful idiots unwittingly doing the bidding of those in charge of that party.

rbj on March 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM

If a losing party in an election can succeed in shutting down representative government to block the will of a majority, then we will shortly have no more representative government.

As usual…liberals put ideology before country.
Unfit to lead.

Baxter Greene on March 4, 2011 at 10:46 AM

If they know that legislators are coming back into Wisconsin at night, why can’t the Capitol police stake out their houses and take them into custody and bring them to the legislature for the vote?

ConservativeMom on March 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Are the Capitol police unionized?

BowHuntingTexas on March 4, 2011 at 10:46 AM

To bad some Republicans don’t leave town so we could find out what the press really thinks of this tactic. But then it would be some squishie Republicans that the press already likes because they are all mavericky and everything.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Republicans in Wisconsin have to stay firm on this point. This goes beyond the legislation on the table and strikes at the very heart of the legislature itself. If a losing party in an election can succeed in shutting down representative government to block the will of a majority, then we will shortly have no more representative government.

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READ, READ! (The blog equivalent of “Hear, hear!”

ExpressoBold on March 4, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Those state senate seats should be declared vacant and an election announced.

GarandFan on March 4, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Indiana has lots of jobs I can do.. Anyone live there? Are houses affordable?

wi farmgirl on March 4, 2011 at 10:39 AM

A friend of mine in San Diego often visited family there and was astounded by the affordable house prices.

disa on March 4, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Compared to San Diego, housing prices in Indiana must appear dirt cheap. Just consider that income levels are lower in conjunction with a lower cost of living. Also, you are giving up the oceanside environment and good weather year round. It ain’t Minnesota, but winters here still suck.

SKYFOX on March 4, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Drudge reports that pink slips hit today.

dogsoldier on March 4, 2011 at 10:59 AM

OK, let’s be honest.

If it had been REPUBLICANS who had pulled this boneheaded fleebagging thing, does anyone out there truly believe they would be labelled as “heroes” as some in the MSM have done, or had been looked up to, or admired?

Face it, they would have been nuked in the media, and condemned on every single corner, from one end of this country to the other! You would have every media pundit on ever major network literally howling for their heads on a pole!

But if a Democrat pulls what I think is a cowardly act like this, they are a hero?!!!!

Give me a break!!!!

pilamaye on March 4, 2011 at 10:59 AM

The implosion of our system of representative democracy is one hell of a fad.

Other systems of government aren’t so tolerant of fads.

forest on March 4, 2011 at 11:00 AM

Again, it is the Republicans who are allowing this supposed “shutdown,” at least in Wisconsin. Other important legislation can and should be passed by the Republicans, who now are themselves failing to govern. Government in Wisconsin, and democracy in Wisconsin, could be improved if the Republicans simply pass important legislation while the democrats are away. The Republicans are acting like a spoiled children themselves, saying: “We want to vote on the budget, and the democrats won’t let us, so we are not going to do anything except sit here and whine.” How about fighting back in a way that furthers good government? Pass voter ID now.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 4, 2011 at 11:01 AM

GaltBlvnAtty on March 4, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Democrats would be passing their agenda in the absence of Republicans. Just pass it and deal with the court challenges and outrage later. Just like Pelosi and Reid did it. Can’t stand them, but they have the cojones to do what they want to do.

forest on March 4, 2011 at 11:05 AM

But if a Democrat pulls what I think is a cowardly act like this, they are a hero?!!!!

Give me a break!!!!

pilamaye on March 4, 2011 at 10:59 AM

The MSM is not now and never will be our friend. I think we are exasperated by this fact because we continue to believe that somewhere, somehow, some one of them will shock the hell out of us and report the truth. Not their truth…not our truth…the truth.

SKYFOX on March 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Fleebaggers are on the lam-bada?

One of the reasons Wisconsin Republican senators voted to place warrants on what are now called the fugitive Democratic senators is that at least some of those Democrats — the same ones who vowed to stay out of state until they prevail in the controversy over Gov. Scott Walker’s budget proposal — have in fact been returning to Wisconsin for personal visits.

And shopping at flee markets.

Steve Z on March 4, 2011 at 11:16 AM

If they know that legislators are coming back into Wisconsin at night, why can’t the Capitol police stake out their houses and take them into custody and bring them to the legislature for the vote?
ConservativeMom on March 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Cap police may not want to participate but couldn’t they hire private detectives, videotape the fleebaggers coming and going, then post the embarrassing vids on line? And maybe they hire bounty hunters to handle the arrests.

Buy Danish on March 4, 2011 at 11:30 AM

How about fighting back in a way that furthers good government? Pass voter ID now.

YES!!! Why aren’t they passing every wish list Bill they can think of??? Why is it that I CONSTANTLY see Republicans exhibiting backbone worthy of a Tofurkey in this kind of situation?

EasyEight on March 4, 2011 at 11:33 AM

If a losing party in an election can succeed in shutting down representative government to block the will of a majority, then we will shortly have no more representative government.

So, what’s your opinion on US Senate filibusters? After all, the Democrats are still the majority….

notropis on March 4, 2011 at 11:43 AM

It appears some are doing their job. From the Blaze, Capitol police tackle Dem lawmaker trying to enter when it was closed for cleaning.

Buy Danish on March 4, 2011 at 11:44 AM

The WI constitution gives each house of the legislature the power to “compel attendance”, no changes needed there.

The senate has finally held the fleebaggers in contempt. Too much patience here, the senate leadership should have only given them a week, at most, before doing this. I’d have done it once it became obvious they’d left the state. After being held in contempt for a week, if they’re still absent, I’d move for impeachment.

LarryD on March 4, 2011 at 11:59 AM

This explains the black van parked at the end of my driveway for the last week. I keep trying to peer inside but even the windows are opaque.

Bishop on March 4, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Now that you mention it, could you please stop smearing our windows? We’re not allowed to clean them until after you’ve gone to sleep.

FloatingRock on March 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM

OT but the closest thread, considering that the “international community” is demanding Qadhafi fleebag out of Libya:

INTERPOL issued arrest warrants for Qadhafi and family members.

bizarre international police action strings being manipulated, making the Interpol UN’s official strong arm.

maverick muse on March 4, 2011 at 12:06 PM

So, what’s your opinion on US Senate filibusters? After all, the Democrats are still the majority….

notropis on March 4, 2011 at 11:43 AM

The U.S. Senate filibuster is a rule they have in place. What the WI Senators are doing is illegal and anti-democracy or any other form of representative government. There’s a definitive difference.

Steel on March 4, 2011 at 12:09 PM

It’s a sad day in WI or anywhere, when a citizen CANNOT take a job for his or her own state or municipality without being forced to join a Union to do so…and make no mistake, this is exactly what’s happening. No union membership or comparable dues,then no job in your State Wisconinites. I suppose it’s lost on the union supporters that this is discrimination against people who feel that being forced to pay union due(by your own Legislature no less)is a violation of their rights. But it seems the ‘rights’ only apply to union members…at least in Wisconsin. Shame! Shame! Shame!

jeanie on March 4, 2011 at 12:17 PM

Cut the funds of the Fleebaggers, and they will flee no more. And then run ads featuring their empty seats for the next two years.

itzWicks on March 4, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Republicans in Wisconsin have to stay firm on this point. This goes beyond the legislation on the table and strikes at the very heart of the legislature itself. If a losing party in an election can succeed in shutting down representative government to block the will of a majority, then we will shortly have no more representative government.
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READ, READ! (The blog equivalent of “Hear, hear!”

ExpressoBold on March 4, 2011 at 10:49 AM

The bottom line is that we citizens are awakening to the fact that we do not currently have a representative government. We have been asleep at the wheel for a few
decades. As we start to pay attention, there will be a few more fights like the one in Wisconsin.

What we have to pay attention to is the small concessions
both the dems and repubs are making and will make in certain areas. They will try and make the citizens believe they are taking care of an issue, when in fact they are
only glossing over the problem, in fact not taking care of anything at all. It is all a scam folks! Stay vigilant.

Amjean on March 4, 2011 at 12:25 PM

If I’m not mistaken, both Baltimore and PG are AA majority counties. Count to 10 on March 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM

That’s Balto City, not county. They’re separate. Baltimore is 70% black, PGCO about the same. Balto County 68% white.

Akzed on March 4, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Because the cops refuse to do their jobs, conflict of interest.

wi farmgirl on March 4, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Yes, and after the fleebagging ends and Wisconsin return to as normal as it gets, there needs to be a time of reckoning for the police forces that have been in a state if insurrection. Perhaps an executive order to decertify all police unions?

I’m sure the Governor has this on his list of things to do.

slickwillie2001 on March 4, 2011 at 1:15 PM

Fleebagging the hot new fad?

NO, NO, NO, it is “Liberal fleebagging the hot new fad”, to be absolutely certain.

OT a little – this is a great article on much of what ails the U.S. circa 2011.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2011 at 1:31 PM

There is a karma to playing legislative games like fleebagging. The side that starts them often ends up regretting it when their opponents use the same ploy.

thuja on March 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM

One side are impertinent hacks, unless they win (then they are even more impertinent – see Nancy Pelosi and Obama), the other side are decent people.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2011 at 1:36 PM

The Gov could get em back in a hurry if he just uses executive authority,legal or not and signs a bunch of stuff.
Tell em if they want to modify the law they will have to show up to vote his stuff out.
Voter ID ought to get em back plus a $1000.00 a day fine put teeth into his order to return.
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If it gets really costly some wives will start naggin’.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 4, 2011 at 1:49 PM

As usual…liberals put ideology before country.
Unfit to lead.

Baxter Greene on March 4, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Lead?!?!? They’re unfit to show up for their legislative a$$kicking….They’re unfit to hold public office….

They’re unfit for a whole lot of things, but leading isn’t even in the room…..

BigWyo on March 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Why isn’t a local CSPAN broadcasting the empty Democrat seats 24/7?

Roy Rogers on March 4, 2011 at 3:03 PM

This explains the black van parked at the end of my driveway for the last week. I keep trying to peer inside but even the windows are opaque.

Bishop on March 4, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Now that you mention it, could you please stop smearing our windows? We’re not allowed to clean them until after you’ve gone to sleep.

FloatingRock on March 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM

And, in case you were wondering, we do know when you are sleeping….MWAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

runawayyyy on March 4, 2011 at 3:12 PM

OT a little – this is a great article on much of what ails the U.S. circa 2011.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2011 at 1:31 PM

I put ‘human’ on my census form, and I think I got hassled over it. I didn’t return their many calls so I’ll never know exactly why, and they might have found what they wanted to know from my neighbors, which they can do.

slickwillie2001 on March 4, 2011 at 3:19 PM

If police do detain one of the Democrats and bring them back to the capital, then the entire dance would have been meaningless.

Yeah but really bad optics. Which I think is why the WI GOP has been handling this with kid gloves.

YehuditTX on March 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Can someone make a citizen arrest on these “cheating fleecers”?
Way too ironic to contemplate if possible.

chickasaw42 on March 4, 2011 at 4:22 PM

To the Socialists, the ends justify the means, regardless of what the means is.

This is how to tell a liberal from a conservative.

Theophile on March 4, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Very good, Ed. The Lam-bada. Heh.

unclesmrgol on March 5, 2011 at 12:43 AM

With the “Free” press in this country laying down on the job with no critical reporting on both parties and now a flee bagging strategy to end debate and the democratic process it is the beginning of the journey to oppression. Dems should consider what goes around comes around.

Herb on March 5, 2011 at 10:27 AM