Excellent tag team there boys!!

Just for the record, petroleum based products are NOT fossil fuel, and the continued use of the term needs to be challenged every time it happens. This lie is just another brick in the wall of leftist misinformation. There is no evidence of latent DNA in petroleum, it is a naturally occuring and RENEWING substance created by internal reactions below the surface of the Earth. Many of the oil deposits discovered in the last 40 years were originally estimated to have a “drilling life” of between 5 and 8 years, and have never stopped producing.

Freelancer on March 3, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Check. The Deep Hot Biosphere.

With all due respect – your example also is a closed looped event, that doesnt take into account evaporation, humidity levels, air temp, etc. It also doesnt take into effect platetechtonics, core shifts, lava flows, sun spots, etc

Thank you for your input and for making my point. That being that the “ice cube in a glass of water” example has limitations when you suddenly remember that the ice cap is not, in actuality, an ice cube in a glass of water and has many other forces acting upon it.

It is also the inane one “scientists” try to use, hence the post by Bobb.

I know the “scientists” try to scare people regarding the effects of warming on the ice caps, I was just pointing out the limitations of the “ice cube in a glass of water” counter-argument… sorry if that was less than obvious.

The “macro BS” being sold is net, net – the earth is getting warmer, therefore ice melts, floods oceans, blah blah blah.

See “point” explained above.

And its all false. Heres 1 great example: Greenland. For years we have heard (and seen – Goracles movie) that IF Greenland were to “melt” – it would ause oceans to rise by X amount… 1 problem – scientists discovered Greenland isnt as “icy” as first though, and roughly 5M square miles below the surface is actually terra firma.

Have you seen the updates to the so-called “ocean rise after Greenland melts” meme, consideirng the makeup is less ice… I didnt either.

Oxone Layer!!!OMG. No longer talked about
Ice Age Coming!!! OMG. No longer talked about
Manhattans flooded!!! OMG. No longer talked about

Funny how these “conveninet” gloom and doom scenarios always a) ask for money for the doom, b) have zero science backing, but a consensus of “scientists” c) most importantly – go silent into that good night the moment the meme is no longer convenient and/or a new, more profitbale meme sprouts up.

Now you’re firing on all cylinders. Exactly right.

Odie1941 on March 3, 2011 at 12:47 PM

Anthropogenic Continental Drift: An Incoherent Truth

theCork on March 3, 2011 at 4:54 PM

I love it.

THE NEXT SCARE.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 3, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Here it is:

Anthropogenic Continental Drift: An Incoherent Truth

Not all of them.

Maglev trains are operational in Japan, China and South Korea.

Del Dolemonte on March 3, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Where do you think that electricity comes from?

CLUE: It’s NOT your too-smart-by-half windmills, biomass, or solar panels: all of which are too puny, unreliable, inefficient, and wasteful to produce any meaningful amount of power. In addition, generators using these technologies don’t last long enough to amortize their initial capital costs!!! “Maglev” trains need an enormous amount of electric power (I would dispute that ‘maglev’ can ever be more efficient than rolling stock in most cases), and significant amounts of practical, reliable power only come from what you call “fossil fuels” (recent evidence suggests this is a misnomer) and nuclear energy.

Bet you’ll never see a ‘maglev’ freight train: the additional energy used to levitate heavy loads is way more than the energy used to overcome the friction of rolling stock. In addition, the capital cost of building a ‘maglev’ railway is orders of magnitude higher than for conventional rolling stock over any significant distance.

There are dangerous cranks, there are bad people in this world…in the famous words of Barry, Senators should start calling them out, to their face, to the press

Update: Sen. Inhofe’s office wrote to correct the identification of Mark Udall in the video, which I got from the DC. It’s actually Tom Udall, his brother.

Still wrong. Tom Udall is Mark Udall’s first cousin, not his brother.

I’m old enough to remember when scientists issued alarms over a coming Ice Age that would wipe out life on Earth on a massive scale

then you also remember the Acid Rain (wauaaaaghhh!) scares as well.

Cindy Munford on March 3, 2011 at 10:26 AM

It’s called “Time for kids” now, and it is put out by Time magazine. One of my kid’s teachers loved that rag and would assign the kids all kinds of homework from it. There was not an issue that came through our house that wasn’t bashing Bush, or had page after page of liberal tripe. My son and I would read through it together, and I would point out all the fallacies and lies. He would do his homework with the “right” answers so he could get a good grade. Needless to say, I got tired of having to be the thought police, and they are home schooled now.

So after cooling and warming, what’s the next environmental disaster that must be averted going to be?
Global sameness?

Climate change we can believe in. /sigh

Scrappy on March 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

Shaving. Note that the Germans have a head start on the solution.

Scrappy on March 3, 2011 at 1:00 PM

I fear you’re right, Scrappy. They’ll call it “climate stagnation,” so it sounds like it might involve standing water and rank-smelling algae, and they’ll proclaim a consensus that by the year 2100, humans will have evolved into mosquitos.

Climate change we can believe in. /sigh

Del Dolemonte on March 3, 2011 at 11:31 AM

You must have overlooked the heat generated by the braking system (heat generated when the brakes are applied…friction and all that) moving to the atmosphere and causing direct heating.

According to Holdren, this is part and parcel of the mammalian demise. It doesn’t matter what makes the train go, or how it slows down. Heat is the enemy. Or something.

Erh…no. The sea level produced by the Arctic ice cap is already fully accounted for (its floating like an ice cube in a glass…no change in sea level no matter large the cap gets).

BobMbx on March 3, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Not quite… that assumes a closed loop system btwn the ocean and the ice cube. As soon as the first snow flake lands in the ice cap/cube which did not originate in the ocean, the balance is shifted. That’s the micro view, the macro view also suggests an issue when “no matter (sic) large the cap gets).” the Big Cube becomes so heavy that it touches the bottom of the ocean and/or grows so large that it covers the earth. Either of those events would, indeed, be reflected by a change of sea level.

TheCulturalist on March 3, 2011 at 12:37 PM

With all due respect – your example also is a closed looped event, that doesnt take into account evaporation, humidity levels, air temp, etc. It also doesnt take into effect platetechtonics, core shifts, lava flows, sun spots, etc

It is also the inane one “scientists” try to use, hence the post by Bobb.

The “macro BS” being sold is net, net – the earth is getting warmer, therefore ice melts, floods oceans, blah blah blah.

And its all false. Heres 1 great example: Greenland. For years we have heard (and seen – Goracles movie) that IF Greenland were to “melt” – it would ause oceans to rise by X amount… 1 problem – scientists discovered Greenland isnt as “icy” as first though, and roughly 5M square miles below the surface is actually terra firma.

Have you seen the updates to the so-called “ocean rise after Greenland melts” meme, consideirng the makeup is less ice… I didnt either.

Oxone Layer!!!OMG. No longer talked about
Ice Age Coming!!! OMG. No longer talked about
Manhattans flooded!!! OMG. No longer talked about

Funny how these “conveninet” gloom and doom scenarios always a) ask for money for the doom, b) have zero science backing, but a consensus of “scientists” c) most importantly – go silent into that good night the moment the meme is no longer convenient and/or a new, more profitbale meme sprouts up.

We had to stop using aerosols and freon because they created a hole in the ozone layer that was getting bigger. Of course, that hole has always been there and get bigger and smaller on it’s own. The same kind of scare got rid of DDT and other pesticides that protected people from diseases borne by mosquitoes. Now we buy bed nets for 3rd world nations instead. The net makers and mosquitoes are happy. The eco nuts have now jumped all over our energy production which will have us joining that 3rd world.

Kissmygrits on March 3, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Well said. And dont forget – the millions of kids dead because of mosquitos, because we all know eco nuts are about “the environment and children” or something.

On a side note – when I worked at a golf course in the late 80′s, early 90′s – our greens keeper had a barrel of DDT, in powder form that we would use for hornets, bees and sand wasps. We would put on the yellow suits, oxygen masks – and head out in the middle of the night to best kill the bees and of course, not be seen pouring DDT down hornet holes… good times, good times.

Erh…no. The sea level produced by the Arctic ice cap is already fully accounted for (its floating like an ice cube in a glass…no change in sea level no matter large the cap gets).

BobMbx on March 3, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Not quite… that assumes a closed loop system btwn the ocean and the ice cube. As soon as the first snow flake lands in the ice cap/cube which did not originate in the ocean, the balance is shifted. That’s the micro view, the macro view also suggests an issue when “no matter (sic) large the cap gets).” the Big Cube becomes so heavy that it touches the bottom of the ocean and/or grows so large that it covers the earth. Either of those events would, indeed, be reflected by a change of sea level.