Rasmussen: 52% in Wisconsin oppose weakening collective bargaining

posted at 4:15 pm on March 3, 2011 by Allahpundit

Et tu, Ras?

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed. At the same time, 44% support a 10% pay cut for all state workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) are opposed. That’s partly because 27% of Wisconsin voters believe state workers are paid too much and 16% believe they are paid too little. Forty-nine percent (49%) believe the pay of state workers is about right…

Among those asked about the state budget deficit, 52% supported the Democrats and 44% supported the Governor. Most of those 50 and over support the Governor, 40-somethings are evenly divided, and those under 40 support the Democrats.

Among those asked about weakening collective bargaining rights, 56% supported the union and 41% supported the Governor. There is a similar age dynamic on this question, even though the overall level of support for the Governor is lower.

I got whacked in the comments a few days ago for taking the NYT poll on collective bargaining at face value, and to some extent I deserved it. But what about this new data set, hot off the presses from the right’s favorite pollster? My point in the NYT post wasn’t that the numbers were necessarily dead on, but more broadly that it’s not crazy to think the public might side against Walker, at least initially, in a staredown with unions. Voters have been listening to labor hosannas about collective bargaining for decades; plus, in a stagnant economy with chronically high unemployment, some may be inclined to sympathize with workers who are losing leverage over an employer. Those attitudes don’t flip overnight, no matter how personally impressive Scott Walker is, especially since it may not be obvious to an uninformed voter what collective bargaining for PEUs has to do with long-term solvency. (Remember, the unions have offered Walker short-term concessions on benefits to try to box him in on CB.) And no, the fact that voters are also worried about budget deficits isn’t necessarily enough to tip them against unions. The distinct impression I get from polls on federal spending — and this is true of last night’s WSJ poll as well — is that voters believe there are plenty of other ways to balance the budget without slashing programs middle-class people rely on, like Social Security and Medicare. They’re wrong about that, but no matter: If that’s what they believe, that there’s plenty of spending “somewhere else” in the budget that can be cut instead, is it any surprise that they might take the same attitude about collective bargaining?

Rasmussen himself acknowledges potential minor problems with the sample. E.g., in 2008, Wisconsin exit polls on election day showed 26 percent of voters came from union households; in Ras’s poll, union households account for 30 percent of respondents. He also shows a narrower margin between supporters of Walker and supporters of the Democrat whom Walker beat in November (46/45) than Walker’s actual margin of victory (52/46), although that may be some sort of “likely voter” artifact. Again, though, obsessing about the precise numbers misses the forest for the trees. At best, this is a very closely divided issue; if the GOP wants to protect Walker and other state reformers like Kasich, they’ll have to keep up a Christie-esque drumbeat of messaging about unions long-term. If they don’t…


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He also notes the PPP sample is 32 percent union households, but the 2010 exit poll data indicated only 26 percent of Wisconsin households include a union member.

Well the Rasmussen poll has a similar breakdown.

The overall sample for the survey included 30% of union households. That includes 33% with a private sector union member and 60% with a public sector union member.

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM

You bend and spread ‘em for the biggest “corporation” of all … the US government.

darwin on March 3, 2011 at 5:19 PM

…and for the biggest pimp to ever ‘lead’ it.

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM

“Do you favor WEAKENING RIGHTS???”

Of COURSE people are going to say no, when you ask if they want to take people’s “rights” away. But these are NOT rights. If they were, Wisconsin couldn’t even think about taking them away.

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

American Elephant on March 3, 2011 at 5:23 PM

So what percent of Wisconson is in favor of paying higher taxes in order to pay for the overinflated wages and generous health benefits of Union leeches?

The money isn’t coming out of thin air, it’s coming from the same place it has for decades—the tax payers

Niteowl45 on March 3, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Well the Rasmussen poll has a similar breakdown.

The overall sample for the survey included 30% of union households. That includes 33% with a private sector union member and 60% with a public sector union member.

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 5:22 PM

So you’re saying they over sampled union members?

sandee on March 3, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Very well said. OT, but how about this for those with questions about his 2nd Amendment rights issues, really incredible story: Gov. Christie Commutes Sentence of Man Convicted of Possessing Illegal Firearms.

RepubChica on March 3, 2011 at 5:21 PM

When he ran for State Assembly in 1995, Christie included the following segment in a campaign flyer.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GvseB8tT1B4/TWUZhgFEDQI/AAAAAAAAAP0/Iz7WsDMVd8E/s1600/ChristieOnGuns1995.jpg

HANNITY: Should every — should every citizen in the state be allowed to get a licensed weapon if they want one?

CHRISTIE: In New Jersey, that’s not going to happen, Sean.

HANNITY: Why?

CHRISTIE: Listen, the Democratic legislature we have, there’s no way those type of things — listen, at the end of the day, what I support are common sense laws that will allow people to protect themselves, but I also am very concerned about the safety of our police officers on the streets, very concerned. And I want to make sure that we don’t have an abundance of guns out there.

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 5:28 PM

So you’re saying they over sampled union members?

sandee on March 3, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Looks that way, the same way the PPP poll did.

They also sampled 46% who voted for Walker and 45% who voted for the Democrats and Walker won with 52%.

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Makers versus Takers “this isn’t rocket science” if you poll the entitlement babies, they are going to put their foot on the scale and tip it in their favor, after all – that’s what collective bargaining is all about tipping the scales in their favor like this poll…..because in the words of Stuart Smalley. I’m Good Enough, I’m Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!: Daily Affirmations With Stuart Smalley. Replace “I’m” with Government Worker.

People love to pay mediocre government workers better benefits than they get themselves even though they are already struggling with heavy taxation….absolutely, they can tell by their children’s test grades, it takes a lot of money to keep up this kind of mediocrity.

Just ask Senator Franken…would he lie/

Dr Evil on March 3, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Tax the rich.

Grow Fins on March 3, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Of course. The all purpose answer to everything.

But you wouldn’t be taxing the rich, just high-earners. there’s a difference. One may lead to the other, or not. Just ask M C Hammer, who earned a lot of money, but filed bankruptcy a few years ago. Or most lottery winners, many who do the same despite winning up to hundreds of millions.

Who are “the rich”? Commonly it’s scored by net worth. Let’s say at a minimum $5 million net worth is “rich”, is that okay? Let’s say that’s all in the bank, earning 3% annually as income reported on a 1099. That “income” is (drumroll) $150,000 per year – less than the $250K Obama wants to tax. That “rich” person wouldn’t “give their fair share” because the principal isn’t taxed, just the interest. You missed the target, because you don’t understand the reality.

Now, the small-business entrepreneur or self-employed professional (doctor, lawyer, etc), who organized their business as a sole proprietorship or S corp and reports all business income on their personal 1040, no matter how much they put back in the business, would be considered a “high earner” and would be hit – causing them to not be able to grow their business and possibly keep them from hiring to help it grow. They merely (appear to) make a lot of money, they’re not necessarily “rich”. Same goes for those living in high cost-of-living areas such as NYC, DC, LA. They make a lot of money, but much of it goes to the expenses required to live there, so they don’t have as much after that as you think.

There are those that overcome all that, but their numbers are so small and their ability to move money to avoid it so easy (think tax-free municipal bonds), that you won’t see a fraction of what you deem to be their “fair share”.

And what do you think they do with all this money anyway? Stuff it in mattresses? You want them to put the money where it does the most good – but only by your criteria, not theirs. Who says you should get to decide? Do you think I should go into your savings account and withdraw it for my priorities?

OK, maybe a few go all Scrooge McDuck and swim in their “ill-gotten” gains. But most don’t. That money, even in passbook savings accounts, is used over and over to encourage commerce with loans. I think the rule is 5 to 1 for the banks – they lend $5 for every one on their balance sheet. That’s a real multiplier there. And they buy things, and employ people, and give to charities. All good things that keep the economy alive and people employed.

My recommendation to you is to let go of your envy, it being a cardinal sin. Else you may have your eyes sewn shut with wire. We wouldn’t want that, we want you to see the truth!

JeffWeimer on March 3, 2011 at 5:32 PM

I’ll never understand the media’s (present bloggers included) infatuation with polls.

a. polls don’t reveal what the ‘right thing to do’ is.

b. most of those polled are clueless airheads.

/case closed

DrW on March 3, 2011 at 5:33 PM

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 5:28 PM

I do think he had images of Jersey City, Newark, and Camden, to name a few crime-ridden counties in NJ where illegal guns are rampant in the back of his head. Yes, the language could be more pro-”right to bear arms” for sure. I’ll give you that. But I do think his unprecedented action in using executive power to get this guy out of jail speaks a lot more of his support of lawful citizens legally owning guns than anything.

RepubChica on March 3, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Rasmussen is a poll of angry white men who live in the rich Milwaukee suburbs. So the real number is more like 80%.

bifidis on March 3, 2011 at 5:37 PM

ps..i failed once class at IU…J440 Statistical Analysis of Polls

this thread reminds me of that awful class.

/i was told there would be no math

DrW on March 3, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Crr6 has made this point, and she has one – obamacare was passed under the objection of a majority (Senate shenanigans or no). The same “republic or democracy” argument applies. If we’re intellectually honest with ourselves, we should recognize that.

Now, the fact that the electorate has decidedly turned because of that is a natural, and welcome consequence. The same may apply here. Or not. We’ll know in 2012 and 2014.

Ultimately, I think it’s a matter of education. Collective bargaining isn’t a “right”, it’s a privilege negotiated in the legislature – who can rescind, modify, or expand it at it’s pleasure. Which it is doing, or attempting to do, if the Senate Democrats ever return to work.

JeffWeimer on March 3, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Sure it’s a risk.

Walker and the Wis. Congress are betting that these changes will make life better in Wis.

If they aren’t working by the time it is time to vote again. Tough luck.

If the Health Bill and Stimulus had done what Dems thought it would do… they would not have lost.

Dems came up with solutions that made things worse not better.

Walker is going to need results, that’s true. I think he’s right. I guess we will see.

petunia on March 3, 2011 at 5:39 PM

But I do think his unprecedented action in using executive power to get this guy out of jail speaks a lot more of his support of lawful citizens legally owning guns than anything.

RepubChica on March 3, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Or maybe he will do what is required to garner political support. I don’t like having to explain away what politicians say and do by special exception. Bill Clinton moved to the center as well but that doesn’t make him a conservative.

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Rasmussen is a poll of angry white men who live in the rich Milwaukee suburbs. So the real number is more like 80%.

bifidis on March 3, 2011 at 5:37 PM

^^^ Lost drone programming. Stringing random words together laced with key communist attack words.

darwin on March 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM

JeffWeimer on March 3, 2011 at 5:32 PM

I hate to tell you, but Grow Fins won’t understand a word of that. Wasted effort my friend.

darwin on March 3, 2011 at 5:44 PM

AP’s analysis is very good…it is a mixed picture…and the problem (as with all socialist ideas) is that what sounds good for the immediate term ends in disaster. First, people in lower Social Economic Status groups tend to think of today…and not tomorrow. UMC people think about tomorrow…so there’s a built in bias there.

Second, Dims/Leftists take advantage of this for their own corrupt ends. Honestly, most of these guys good care less about what happens in 20 years…in the long run we’re all dead per Keynes. In a sane society a counter weight would be an honest/balance press.

Sadly, we lack that. And (despite dreams otherwise) the alternative media is small (yes, even Rush). The MSM provides the main narrative of the country. NYT/AP etc lead the way. Between the pretense of the UMC and Rich liberal and the cluelessness of the low information voter the task is huge…and maybe insurmountable.

So Rs are faced with a daily grind of vituperative attacks while trying to be the accountants who save the country. Honestly, sane people like us MUST hang together.

r keller on March 3, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Call me during dinner with two kids screaming at each other over who gets the last bite of mac ‘n cheese and my response to some question about “rights” will be: yeah, I’m all for ‘em.

Cause me to miss work because you’re taking a stroll around the state capital grounds grading your fellow teachers “Walker=Hitler/Stalin/Mubarek/Khaddafy” signs (I know ’cause I saw it on the local news) and I might factor that into my vote next time around.

Just don’t think these polls measure anything meaningful. But they certainly serve as a strainght substitute for a push poll for these PEU libtards.

Tongueboy on March 3, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Raise taxes on the rich! Until there aren’t any rich people left, and then sink…

ProfessorMiao on March 3, 2011 at 5:47 PM

I realize Allahpundit, that where you might live, you’re only surrounded by spineless squishy RINO’s, but living in Milwaukee County where Scott Walker won not one, not two, but three times by wide margins, I doubt seriously when he’s faced with such a huge deficit, he’s going to start worrying about any poll when he needs to do his job he said he was going to do.

What, did people think suddenly he was going to go against what he campaigned on? Nuts…

He’s not a blowhard and backtracker like Chris Christie…

StevefromMKE on March 3, 2011 at 5:47 PM

bifidis on March 3, 2011 at 5:37 PM

This little numbnutz is traveling back and forth on all of the HA posts spounting it’s drivel. PUHLEEEEEEEASE don’t feed the trolls….thank you

sicoit on March 3, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Compared the non-unionized service workers in the Walmartized economy you’d like to inflict on everyone, yes. Compared to the Koch Brothers and Sarah Palin? Naaah.

Grow Fins on March 3, 2011 at 4:57 PM

I’m pretty sure that neither the Koch brothers nor Palin live in Wisconsin.

Vashta.Nerada on March 3, 2011 at 5:50 PM

petunia on March 3, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Yes. I agree, I think he’s right, too. The PEUs in WI have created a “self-licking ice-cream cone” of mandatory membership and dues paid to the unions and by extension the Democrats, by the taxpayer.

JeffWeimer on March 3, 2011 at 5:50 PM

uh spouting not spounting….duh

sicoit on March 3, 2011 at 5:50 PM

darwin on March 3, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Thanks, but had to try. Redemption is available to all who want it.

JeffWeimer on March 3, 2011 at 5:53 PM

HANNITY: Should every — should every citizen in the state be allowed to get a licensed weapon if they want one?

CHRISTIE: In New Jersey, that’s not going to happen, Sean.

HANNITY: Why?

CHRISTIE: Listen, the Democratic legislature we have, there’s no way those type of things — listen, at the end of the day, what I support are common sense laws that will allow people to protect themselves, but I also am very concerned about the safety of our police officers on the streets, very concerned. And I want to make sure that we don’t have an abundance of guns out there.

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 5:28 PM

What has this got to do with the Rasmussen poll? BTW, my husband has all kinds of guns. I have a shotgun myself..but not every citizen is allowed to own a gun anyway. A convicted felon is a citizen isn’t he? A child is a citizen, but that does not mean they can drive cars or buy guns. A statement like that could mean a lot of things.

Terrye on March 3, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Once the collusion exposed by the Madison email sinks in (assuming people do their job and educate the public) the light bulbs will come on.

It’s not a negotiation when both sides have exactly the same objective using money that does not belong to them.

The Union wants as much as they can get and the Democrats want to give as much as possible because they benefit from kickbacks in the form of campaign contributions, campaign workers and votes. If this was an honest country it wouldn’t be tolerated. It’s corrupt to the core.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Tax the rich.

Grow Fins on March 3, 2011 at 4:44 PM

What a novel idea. Let’s tax those evil rich people like Buffet and Gore and Streisand and Michael Moore etc and then there will be a never ending supply of money. Why, those folks working for the government in Wis could retire at the age of 40 on a million bucks a year and get a new car and free health care…just tax the rich. After all, why else are they there?

Terrye on March 3, 2011 at 5:58 PM

What has this got to do with the Rasmussen poll?

Its in response to someone else’s post. Ask them.

BTW, my husband has all kinds of guns. I have a shotgun myself..but not every citizen is allowed to own a gun anyway. A convicted felon is a citizen isn’t he? A child is a citizen, but that does not mean they can drive cars or buy guns. A statement like that could mean a lot of things.

Terrye on March 3, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Yeah, I am sure he was talking about children and convicts but being the shy guy that he is, he just forgot to say that. /

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 6:01 PM

^^^ Lost drone programming. Stringing random words together laced with key communist attack words.

darwin on March 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Oh, now that’s a brave stand here, keyboard warrior. You must be ex-Special Forces, right? LOL.

bifidis on March 3, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Remember, the unions have offered Walker short-term concessions on benefits to try to box him in on CB

As I understand it, even these union “concessions” were a lie. During an interview with David Gregory the other day, Gov. Walker explained that the “concessions” on benefits have been agreed to by state union representatives. Problem is, these state union leaders don’t have the authority to make the concessions; only the local union guys can do that as they are the ones who negotiate the unions’ deals in each jurisdiction. According to Walker, the local union reps have refused to agree to the benefits concessions and, in at least one Wisconsin jurisdiction, the local union is even insisting on a pay raise for its members (in addition to keeping existing levels of benefits).

Of course, Gregory and the rest of the union-loving MSM have completely ignored these inconvenient facts.

AZCoyote on March 3, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Oh, now that’s a brave stand here, keyboard warrior. You must be ex-Special Forces, right? LOL.

bifidis on March 3, 2011 at 6:01 PM

A brave stand? No, I was pointing out what a senseless idiot you are. Do you have trouble understanding what you read?

darwin on March 3, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Yeah, I am sure he was talking about children and convicts but being the shy guy that he is, he just forgot to say that. /

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 6:01 PM

I was simply pointing out that to use the word citizen could cover a lot of territory. There have always been differences in states and regions concerning owning and carrying guns.

Terrye on March 3, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Rasmussen is a poll of angry white men who live in the rich Milwaukee suburbs. So the real number is more like 80%.

bifidis on March 3, 2011 at 5:37 PM

If this were true Walker would not be Governor and the Republicans would not have a majority in Wisconsin right now.

Terrye on March 3, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Wal-Mart level service and efficiency in government would be an enormous improvement. How many people at Wal-Mart do you think sit around and play on computers all day? At Wal-Mart if you work too hard does some greasy union thug track you down ‘for a little talk’? At Wal-Mart do you really think there are billions in lost money sitting in corners?

slickwillie2001 on March 3, 2011 at 6:20 PM

These polls are getting pretty boring. It’s time for some action from the Republican legislators.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 3, 2011 at 6:22 PM

The time is ripe for a pollster to come along and ask these questions in the way they should be asked. The results would be seismic. I thought it might be Rasmussen, but alas, no. Perhaps Fox news? Here’s how the questions should be asked — not to skew the results — but to give respondents the true choices:

1) Would you be willing to have your taxes raised to pay government workers higher salaries?

2) Would you be willing to have your taxes raised so government workers wouldn’t have to pay as much as private workers do for their fringe benefits?

3) Would you be willing to have your taxes raised so government workers could retire before age 60 with full pay and benefits?

4)Would you be willing to have your taxes raised so your state can pay to collect union dues from government workers and send those dues payments to the unions?

5) Would you be willing to have your taxes raised so government worker unions can have more money to donate to the democrat party?

6) Are you in favor of or opposed to government worker unions negotiating wage, fringe benefit, and pension packages with individual state legislators those same unions have given large sums of campaign money to.

Asking such questions, which get to the true heart of the matter, will show very different results, and everyone — including the unions — know it.

Rational Thought on March 3, 2011 at 6:45 PM

I do think he had images of Jersey City, Newark, and Camden, to name a few crime-ridden counties in NJ where illegal guns are rampant in the back of his head…..

RepubChica on March 3, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Then he would have known those areas were already lost and didn’t abide by the laws in place. Further, the evil assault weapon in his picture did not go away during the ban if you owned it prior to enactment.

So, was he saying that those owners were breaking the law by having one? No, what he did was classic, “Eek a mouse!” sensible gun law screeching when it comes to scary looking guns. It is shameless and nothing more than boilerplate anti-gun politician doublespeak. (See Chuckles Schumer for more.)

Romney BTW suffers the same affliction. He renewed the AWB for MA in 2004 when it expired and punted on any type of reforms to MA gun-law labyrinths. He did however manage to join the NRA when he started his run for President once he was done being Gov. We’ll see if Christie goes down the same rabbit hole.

/s

roy_batty on March 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Rasmussen is a poll of angry white men who live in the rich Milwaukee suburbs. So the real number is more like 80%.

bifidis on March 3, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Tax the rich.

Grow Fins on March 3, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Can we tax the stupid? Maybe they’ll up and leave? LOL

capejasmine on March 3, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Let’s see how many signatures for recalls they get on either side that will tell the real story. If there are so many union people and the rest out number them the recalls will be a piece of cake for the Dems that split and went to Il. Polls are only done on land lines. I don’t trust polls.

wi farmgirl on March 3, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Let’s see how many signatures for recalls they get on either side that will tell the real story. If there are so many union people and the rest out number them the recalls will be a piece of cake for the Dems that split and went to Il. Polls are only done on land lines. I don’t trust polls.

wi farmgirl on March 3, 2011 at 7:36 PM

I hope the election board is using the fine tooth comb with the magnifier on it as the fraud will be epic. Oh and pass the damn voter ID bill over there already…and NO same day registration!

TheVer on March 3, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Wisconsin exit polls on election day showed 26 percent of voters came from union households; in Ras’s poll, union households account for 30 percent of respondents.

Do you have to guess which way the union members will choose?

How about someone taking a poll and disqualifying the union households? I bet you will get dramatically different results!

belad on March 3, 2011 at 7:53 PM

stop calling them rights and see what the polls show?

Do you support Collective Bargaining Privileges? Do you support Collective Bargaining Attempts? etc….

MFn G I M P on March 3, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Forget union/non union, Dem/Rep breakdowns.

How about a breakdown of tax payer vs. non-tax payer. I would guess 80% of tax payers are for Walker, 80% of non-tax payers are against him. And since 50% of Americans pay $0 income taxes, it ends up being more or less a 50/50 picture when you aggregate all the polls.

angryed on March 3, 2011 at 9:58 PM

It’s hard to understand why anyone would support collective barganing in any context. What moral code permits one person to bargan their salary on the bases of the work of peers and coworkers. This assumes that workers are all the same and contribute equal amounts of productivity and innovation at work when and we all know this is not the case. The truth is all people with the same position and job title are not equal in the value each has to a company. What’s next, students collectivly barganing for their grades in school?

Dollayo on March 3, 2011 at 11:59 PM

So what percent of Wisconson is in favor of paying higher taxes in order to pay for the overinflated wages and generous health benefits of Union leeches?

Niteowl45 on March 3, 2011 at 5:25 PM

I know I am not. We have high enough taxes as it is partly because of them.

Sterling Holobyte on March 4, 2011 at 12:20 AM

We need to pass the bill so we know what is in it. The demrat8astards ought to be perfectly fine with that reasoning.

csdeven on March 4, 2011 at 1:47 AM

What do you think the poll results would have been, say, a month ago?

Probably you would have had 70% supporting collective bargaining. In Wisconsin it’s like being for apple pie and mother.

This is just beginning. Walker has to educate the citizens of the state about why collective bargaining is bad for the state. I think he’s made a good start.

PackerBronco on March 4, 2011 at 6:24 AM

yeah, and the polls a year ago also said the republicans were a thing of the past. We’re watching how the democrat propaganda machine works. The Wisconsin fleebaggers don’t play by any rules or ethical standards, but then again this is the party whose members and constituents deal with disagreements by throwing pies in the face or sit ins, die ins, all kinds of theatrics and gimmicks – anything so they can distort and eventually wear people down. Sounds kinda like the tactics of the old politburo days. Agitate, intimidate, and you’re the perfect model democrat.

mozalf on March 4, 2011 at 8:28 AM

Polls = Tools. Polls can reinforce anything you want them to prove. Half of the those being polled don’t even have a clue what collective bargaining is. What he should have polled is how many people in Wisconsin are for raising taxes to support collective bargaining. Rasmussen’s poll is worthless.

volsense on March 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Citing polls (‘good’ or ‘bad’) as a blog topic connotes a certain amount of laziness…i.e. ‘phoning in’ today’s story.
The reason? How about an example…..

Years ago, what was heralded as the top news item on CNN one morning was a CNN poll (naturally) wherein a certain percentage of responders thought Osama Bin Laden would be captured/killed within X months – whereas the balance did not. Hint: This is not news!

alwyr on March 4, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Probably a large percentage of that 52% are people who just want the damned thing to go away. Tired of the protesting morons and teachers not bothering to teach and figure they will pick their battles – and this ain’t one they’re willing to fight, atm.

PJ Emeritus on March 4, 2011 at 10:52 AM

I still haven’t seen a poll asking the actual teachers if they’d prefer to keep the money they’re currently forced to give to the unions and democrats. Surely this would be relevant to the discussion?

runawayyyy on March 4, 2011 at 11:30 AM

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed.

“When asked about the definition collective bargaining, 80% of poll respondents thought it was a reference to yard sales.”

labrat on March 4, 2011 at 12:50 PM

Id love to see a poll done, if your dues are not withdrawn automatically, do you still plan on contributing to the union coffers? Dark rooms and voice scramblers to be provided of course

TheVer on March 4, 2011 at 1:56 PM

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