Good news: GM sold 281 Chevy Volts last month

posted at 7:10 pm on March 3, 2011 by Allahpundit

That brings the grand total so far up to … 928 cars. Which, believe it or not, is considerably more than its rival, the Nissan Leaf.

I don’t get it. Why wouldn’t someone want to own a $41,000 electric car that under some circumstances gets worse mileage than a Prius?

Why, it’s downright un-American not to.

Peruse Chevrolet’s February sales release, and you’ll notice one number that’s blatantly missing: the number of Chevy Volts sold. The number – a very modest 281 – is available in the company’s detailed data (PDF), but it certainly isn’t something that GM wants to highlight, apparently. Keeping the number quiet is a bit understandable, since it’s lower than the 321 that Chevy sold in January…

Ouch. The big questions, of course, revolve around one word: “Why?” Is ramping up production and deliveries still a problem? Is demand weak? Are unscrupulous dealers to blame? When will sales start to climb? And what are these numbers doing to plug-in vehicle work at other automakers?

Nissan has sold 173 Leafs in two months; Megan McArdle notes that, back in November, its CEO was projecting sales of 500,000 per year by 2013.

Consumer Reports reviewed the Volt recently as part of its annual car issue but their analysis is behind a reg wall. Try this write-up in the Detroit News instead, or watch the video below of an editor groaning about the sticker price on Fox Business. They paid $48,700 for their test ride and lamented, among other things, the fact that it takes fully five hours to charge the damned thing. Verdict: “This is going to be a tough sell to the average consumer.” No kidding.

Chevy’s only hope now? Saudi Arabia’s “day of rage” next Friday blossoms into a full-fledged Wahhabist revolution, with oil sales to the west embargoed indefinitely thereafter. $15 per gallon gas, here we come.


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if they drop the price by about 25,000 I might think about getting one…

unseen on March 3, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Knucklehead:Fargo movie was a hoot to watch!:)

canopfor on March 3, 2011 at 8:33 PM

One of my all time favorites!

Knucklehead on March 3, 2011 at 8:45 PM

$41K for this lemon?!

The equilibrium price for this thing is probably less than $10,000.

Supply and Demand: It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law!

ZenDraken on March 3, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Despite his criticism of the Volt, Champion praised its acceleration and acknowledged that under certain driving cycles, consumers could mostly avoid using gasoline. The magazine noted the Volt is nicely equipped and has a “taut yet supple ride.”

But AllahP said:

Why wouldn’t someone want to own a $41,000 electric car that under some circumstances gets worse mileage than a Prius?

Who’s right? I guess AP is more right, cos he’s smart n’stuff…

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Lets see, they only sell them in 3 markets. and there is a waiting list for them, and dealers are getting 10k over sticker. I don’t like the Volt, but don’t be a tool like the left.

Henny on March 3, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Who’s right? I guess AP is more right, cos he’s smart n’stuff…

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Those aren’t mutually exclusive statements.

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 8:49 PM

Why wouldn’t someone want to own a $41,000 electric car that under some circumstances gets worse mileage than a Prius?

Two words: Collector’s car. Especially the first, and possibly, only year.

Dusty on March 3, 2011 at 8:51 PM

111 mile per gallon-gasoline-bought-and-put-in-the-tank.
In one of the worst New York winters in recent memory…
Expect those numbers to double in the next few months.

QED.
Case closed.

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Was Oprah giving away cars again?

ultracon on March 3, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Watch the Chevy Volt become the #1 car in the state and federal government fleet.

Watch the Chevy Volt become the #1 car in the state and federal government fleet when purchased with taxpayer dollars.

Watch the Chevy Volt become the #1 car in the state and federal government fleet when purchased with taxpayer dollars followed by talk about the huge success this is – sales numbers are way up!

manofaiki on March 3, 2011 at 9:00 PM

sharrukin on March 3, 2011 at 8:49 PM

I meant “Who’s more right?”
Like when next I said, “I guess AP is more right…”

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Chevy changes name of Volt to…?

profitsbeard on March 3, 2011 at 9:02 PM

From the article:

“When you are looking at purely dollars and cents, it doesn’t really make a lot of sense. The Volt isn’t particularly efficient as an electric vehicle and it’s not particularly good as a gas vehicle either in terms of fuel economy,” said David Champion, the senior director of Consumer Reports auto testing center at a meeting with reporters here. “This is going to be a tough sell to the average consumer.”

It isn’t particularly efficient as an electric vehicle???

The Leaf is rated 98 mpge (mpg equivalent) by the EPA on the window sticker. EPA gives the Volt 93 mpge in its EV mode. So in EV mode, that makes the Volt 95 % as efficient as the Leaf, and it’s carrying with it the gas drive train that ensures one will never be left stranded, like this type of situation…

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 9:08 PM

AllahP: Why wouldn’t someone want to own a $41,000 electric car that…”

Why would someone buy an Apple cell phone — what’s it called, an i-Phone? — for over $900 ?
I couldn’t and wouldn’t have… but I’m glad somebody did, because now I have one that’s much better for $200 and a signature on a service plan.

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Lets see, they only sell them in 3 markets. and there is a waiting list for them, and dealers are getting 10k over sticker. I don’t like the Volt, but don’t be a tool like the left.

Henny on March 3, 2011 at 8:48 PM

You really dont know the car business, do you?

The dealers buy the cars from the factory at a fixed price, with a low margin. The additional cost is to compensate the low margin AND the low volume sold of said small margin.

Good selling cars drive the price down, while also adding a ton more feature per model, each year. But the high volume with the small margin, well thats business 101.

And if you think that total sale was anywhere near even the most conservative forecasts, the car would be listing for $87,500…

Odie1941 on March 3, 2011 at 9:22 PM

I HATE clown cars. Those “Smart” ones, and cubed ones. Look like my dog can drive it. Or my kids. My dog takes a full passenger seat in the minivan and does activate the passenger airbag with her weight.

She does turn some heads indeed.

ProudPalinFan on March 3, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Odie1941 on March 3, 2011 at 9:22 PM

What you wrote, and that purchasing a car towards fall when the new units roll up for example, 2012. does that happen sometimes on quarters?

The awesome thing about Honda is that they believe in their product so much, they don’t care what car dealer you purchased it from. To them, you own a Honda and that’s what matters to car salesmen. My jaw dropped.

ProudPalinFan on March 3, 2011 at 9:25 PM

…and it’s carrying with it the gas drive train that ensures one will never be left stranded, like this type of situation…

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 9:08 PM

I should have said gas engine because while the engine does provide some of the motive force in high demand situations, there is no gas “drive train”… no transmission, no driveshaft, none of that.

There is enough misinformation out there (this Dave Champion clown currently being the most culpable) without me adding to it.
Really, is Consumer Reports actually anti-American in reality?

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 9:32 PM

I think these sales figures are very good. My prediction was that they would sell 30 or 40 by now.

ramthulon on March 3, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Probably ought to buy a clean used Volt and save it out in the barn. In 20 years or so the kids can sell it as one of the really rare and few
.
ELECTRIC EDSEL’s
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that escaped the crusher.

Col.John Wm. Reed on March 3, 2011 at 10:06 PM

I’m sure this has been dropped around here somewhere, but can’t Chevy use the Commerce Clause to force people to buy the Volt?

MeatHeadinCA on March 3, 2011 at 10:11 PM

By the time the batteries in these turkeys start failing prematurely, Government Motors will be ready for Bankruptcy Part Deux, and you’ll be stuck for it.

slickwillie2001 on March 3, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Comment #95 by Southern Californian Dave K :

In over 1500 miles of driving my Volt. I have stopped at the gas station just once. This was to add air to the tires. The car was delivered with 8.2 gallons of gas. Still have 6 gallons of dealer gas remaining after 1594 miles of driving.

1595 / 2.2 = 724mpg

It feels great to refuel at home. How much time has been saved by not having to pull off the freeway to refuel? How much tension has been avoided by not having to compete at the gas station pumps? How much satisfaction has been realized by not having to send my paycheck to an OPEC county?

Go out and buy a Volt.

We’ve been waiting for this chance for 40, 50 years.
Driving without gasoline is a good thing.
Equally much so if you don’t believe in AGW theory, which is just relatively recent fashionable belief…
It’s good news !
American invented and designed…
American made
American fueled !

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 10:24 PM

I say we have some fun with this.

Put it on the Price is Right and watch the contestants walk off the stage mumbling WTF.

fogw on March 3, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Comment by Dave K here… Wrong link.

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Put it on the Price is Right and watch the contestants walk off the stage mumbling WTF.

fogw on March 3, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Game show contestants aren’t first adopters.
People who don’t live paycheck to paycheck, and who don’t need to waste time fooling around with Bob Barker to get free crap… are first adopters.

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 10:36 PM

I will not buy it if it’s $4 let along $40K, just on principle.

Alden Pyle on March 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM

manofaiki on March 3, 2011 at 9:00 PM

This

Alden Pyle on March 3, 2011 at 10:40 PM

SHØCKING!

hillbillyjim on March 3, 2011 at 10:40 PM

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Bob Barker is rescuing whales now. He left the show over three years ago.

fogw on March 3, 2011 at 10:44 PM

fogw on March 3, 2011 at 10:25 PM

How about “Let’s Make a Deal”?

Host: “Let’s see what’s behind Curtain Number One!”

**Curtain pulled back to show brand new Chevy Volt. Fanfare of music ensues.**

Host: “You’ve won a new car! A 2011 Chevy Volt. Just for laughs, let’s look behind Curtain Number 3.”

**Curtain pulled back to show a donkey. Laughter erupts from audience.**

Contestant: “Can I have the donkey?”

Left Coast Right Mind on March 3, 2011 at 10:51 PM

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Somehow I knew the resident Volt salesman would show up on this board. Relentlessly optimistic, relentlessly clueless.

mad scientist on March 3, 2011 at 10:57 PM

It’s good news !
American invented and designed…
American made…
American fueled !

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 10:24 PM

American taxpayer funded albatross.

fogw on March 3, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Stories out of Geneva International Motor Show this week:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/02/2012-opel-ampera-geneva-2011/

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/02/land-rover-range_e-geneva-2011/

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/02/land-rover-range_e-geneva-2011/
(story from Jan/11)

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/02/rolls-royce-102ex-concept-geneva-2011/

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/volkswagen-bulli-concept-geneva-2011-reveal/

http://green.autoblog.com/2011/03/03/bmw-aims-to-sell-30-000-i3-electric-vehicles-a-year-by-2014/

Now, which fits here:

__ Government Motors makes socialist car that everyone hates and is completely ignored?

__ In 2006, GM began, with the creative leadership of a visionary vice-chairman and some brilliant engineers, began a gutsy, entrepreneurial and risky project that ended up sending almost every other major automaker in the world back to the drawing board to remap their own futures?

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 11:10 PM

mad scientist on March 3, 2011 at 10:57 PM

I’m linking real world examples here…
You got anything?

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 11:14 PM

Lets see, they only sell them in 3 markets. and there is a waiting list for them, and dealers are getting 10k over sticker. I don’t like the Volt, but don’t be a tool like the left.

Henny on March 3, 2011 at 8:48 PM

And yet Motor Trend named it ’2011 Car of the Year’…

How does that pan out Mr. Potato Head???

BigWyo on March 3, 2011 at 11:17 PM

if they drop the price by about 25,000 I might think about getting one…

unseen on March 3, 2011 at 8:43 PM

If they started giving them away as a premium for buying rotisserie chicken at KFC I’d still tell them to jam it up the old dusty trail.

BigWyo on March 3, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Chevy changes name of Volt to…?

profitsbeard on March 3, 2011 at 9:02 PM

The Chevrolet Shock?

OR

The Chevrolet Terminal Shock?

Yoop on March 3, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Where did Gadaffi’s son get $2,000,000 to hire Beyonce to sing at his New Year’s Eve party ???

From your hard-earned paycheck, that’s where.

That’s why the Volt is brilliant.
It’s for pay–back, $$$ back to our national wallet.

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 11:41 PM

Won’t have anything to do with Government Motors ’til jug-ears get’s his greedy little gov’ment fingers out of their purse, the Board of Directors is replaced, and the Union Contracts are re-negotiated.

In other words….they’ll go bankrupt before I ever buy another GM vehicle.

Tim_CA on March 3, 2011 at 11:57 PM

Currently significant market resistance to the Volt.
Ohm’s Law not just a good idea.

Kenosha Kid on March 4, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Sounds like a couple posters have a dog in the fight and are actively hiding the fact.

Christien on March 4, 2011 at 12:17 AM

From the Detroit Free Press:

Chevy Volt: Fact vs. Fiction

MYTH: The government forced GM to build it.

Reality: GM began work on the Volt in 2006, long before the financial crisis and the government assistance that saved the company. The presidential auto task force wanted GM to scrap the project, because the Volt won’t make money for at least the first few years. GM convinced the government the technology was too important, and that the Volt had to go on.

Obama did NOT make GM build this car…
On the contrary, GM shielded this car from the task force, because they knew the government didn’t understand how important to the company, and all of us, it was.

I think this is in Steven Rattner’s book Overhaul, too.

silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 12:20 AM

In other words….they’ll go bankrupt before I ever buy another GM vehicle.

Tim_CA on March 3, 2011 at 11:57 PM

There will be more choices: Volvo just announced production intent on plug-in hybrid V60 with 50 km (31 mi) of range.
Ford will be going with the C-Max Energi, a plug-in hybrid with a battery the same size as a Volt.
And many others, believe me.
And the prices will be coming down, lithium-ion cells already have.

Now:

Did Government Motors, under government pressure, make a socialist car that nobody wants and is completely ignored?

Or did a visionary vice-chairman (Bob Lutz), who in previous lives brought about the Dodge Viper, the BMW 3-series (80s yuppies) and the Ford Explorer (which ushered in the SUV era)… did he want to compete with Toyota Prius and Tesla Roadster not by me-too-ism but by completely leapfrogging them… did he trust the ideas of his brilliant engineers (Jon Lauckner) and champion and launch a bold, gutsy, risky — entrepreneurial, essentially — project that forced almost every other major automaker back to their own drawing boards to redraw the maps of their own futures…

silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Some background color :

A few years after selling the side business, she decided to dive into racing full time, moving to Dale Earnhardt’s North Carolina racing world to work as a consultant. Fletcher stayed in North Carolina after Earnhardt’s death in 2001, but by 2005, she was ready to come home.
“I terribly missed the mainstream auto industry,” she said. “There is nothing that compares to the scale and scope of what we work on.”
Back at GM, Fletcher worked with hybrids until 2009, when she became powertrain chief for plug-in hybrids and extended-range electric vehicles, including the Chevrolet Volt.
The Volt’s development engineers work out of a former storage room over a massive garage at the automaker’s Milford Proving Grounds. Their desks are relatively bare, because they spend much of their time driving. But on the side of one cubicle wall is a printout of a photo of Bob Lutz chomping on a cigar. Underneath are the letters “WWBD” — for “What Would Bob Do?”
The retired product development chief helped spearhead the development of the Volt in hopes that it would anchor Chevrolet’s image with customers, just as he’d done with the Dodge Viper about two decades earlier. In the Viper, Michiganders gave the world a beloved V-10 sports car. In the Volt, they’ve made one of the country’s first mass-market electric vehicles. That’s a difference Fletcher and several other hybrid and electric engineers — transplants from GM’s former high-performance unit — understand firsthand.
“The Volt was developed by the same people that have developed other products for GM. But this time, we have demonstrated our technical prowess,” Fletcher said. “Maybe we haven’t tried to create these iconic demonstrations so much before.”
Now that the car’s U.S. launch is well under way, Fletcher, 44, spends much of her time driving cars calibrated for the Volt’s European launch this year as the Opel Ampera. A laptop and a mass of blue and red cables and black tubing connect engineers to a development Volt’s electronic equipment, allowing them to make tweaks and experience them on the road.

silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 2:09 AM

silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 2:09 AM

Are they paying you by the word?

sharrukin on March 4, 2011 at 2:11 AM

That unpleasant sensation you’re all experiencing is someone attempting desperately to blow sunshine up your butt.

Left Coast Right Mind on March 4, 2011 at 2:13 AM

Are they paying you by the word?

sharrukin on March 4, 2011 at 2:11 AM

No. I care about the subject, and I alredady explained why.

silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 3:59 AM

Now:
 
Did Government Motors, under government pressure, make a socialist car that nobody wants and is completely ignored?
 
Or did a visionary vice-chairman (Bob Lutz), who (fawning snipped).
 
silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 12:38 AM

 
I’m guessing you don’t consider CARB and CAFE regs (and ZEV partial credits) “government pressure”?

 
And your Bob Lutz bit is fine so long as you listen to Ron Bloom (Obama’s Car Czar) from March 2010, a few months before the Volt’s release:

 
“They’re not getting my input, but they are very, very good about keeping me up to date about what’s happening. If it’s small, they tell me after, but we’re very much aware of what GM is doing, because as a shareholder, we need to be. I like to understand [Whitacre's] thinking, so I can convey it to the people who sort of are more directly, ultimately the decision-makers here” — Geithner and chief White House economic advisor Larry Summers.”
 
http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/112_1005_ron_bloom_interview/gm_administration.html#ixzz1Fd5frFd8

 
“Ultimately the decision-makers here.” Meaning the Volt was/is theirs. So yeah, now that I remember that part, I’ll go with your first choice.

rogerb on March 4, 2011 at 6:40 AM

Good news: GM sold 281 Chevy Volts last month

Oddly, there are 288 Republicans in Congress. Maybe that is the sales target…..

percysunshine on March 4, 2011 at 6:43 AM

Chevy’s only hope now? Saudi Arabia’s “day of rage” next Friday blossoms into a full-fledged Wahhabist revolution, with oil sales to the west embargoed indefinitely thereafter. $15 per gallon gas, here we come.

When gasoline hits $15, it’ll take $41,000 to buy groceries.

It’s still a lose/lose proposition.

franksalterego on March 4, 2011 at 6:57 AM

Wow! That’s about 200 more than I thought they would sell. Look for Volts to populate the rental fleets soon, along with the Postal Service.

joe btfsplk on March 4, 2011 at 6:58 AM

Aside from the price, the practicality and mileage claims, IMHO the volt is not a particularly attractive automobile. One would think the styling would be more distinctive and better reflect the new technology. You look at this car and say “eh“.

diogenes on March 4, 2011 at 7:35 AM

Nissan has sold 173 Leafs in two months; Megan McArdle notes that, back in November, its CEO was projecting sales of 500,000 per year by 2013.

They promised it would be priced like a Sentra. It came out at $40k per year. Yes, I imagine the sales projections would drop slightly on that news.

MNHawk on March 4, 2011 at 7:46 AM

Obama did NOT make GM build this car…
On the contrary, GM shielded this car from the task force, because they knew the government didn’t understand how important to the company, and all of us, it was.

silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 12:20 AM

And of course I’m supposed to take GM at its word about this.
Just like I was supposed to take them at their word about turning a profit so quickly after the bailout (but pay no attention to those TARP $$$$ behind the curtain!!!)

VelvetElvis on March 4, 2011 at 7:49 AM

On the contrary, GM shielded this car from the task force, because they knew the government didn’t understand how important to the company, and all of us, it was.
 
silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 12:20 AM

 
Except for the part where this happened before the takeover:
 

Part of the President’s Task Force on Autos including Steve Rattner and Ron Bloom visited both GM and Chrysler today.
 
They spent most of the morning at GM’s Warren Technical Center where the Chevy Volt development takes place. They were personally greeted by GM CEO Rick Wagoner, and each of the men got to drive one of two Chevy Volt mules
 
having this integral knowledge about the Volt will help them make the difficult decisions

 
- March 9, 2009, three months before the takeover.
 
http://gm-volt.com/2009/03/09/video-auto-task-force-visits-gm-and-drives-the-volt/
 
You do realize that we all have internet access, right?

rogerb on March 4, 2011 at 8:09 AM

Chevy changes name of Volt to…?

profitsbeard on March 3, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Spark. Ol Sparky. Spitzen ze Sparkzen
Circuit.
Johnny5.
Terminator.
Zzzzz. (sound of electric motor)
Sucka.
Juice.
Heavy Metal.
Smug.
Neutron.
O, cant draw it, but you know the power symbol on your computer. circle with a line.
Albatross.

orbitalair on March 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM

Electric cars are supposed to be good for the environment by cutting back on fossil fuel consumption, which also should have emissions benefits.

Let’s see how that works:

I buy an electric car and slap my “Love your Mother” bumper sticker on with singular pride. But, in order to get that car to my drive, the GM had to buy and install a lot of batteries to hold the charge. Mining, premanufacturing and production, use and disposal of car batteries is one of the most pollution generating life cycles in existence. So, my happy little Volt was actually delivered to me with a bigger environmental foot print than a Suburban.

Now I plug it in for the first time, lovely green electricity flows to me from coal-burning power plants (the backbone of our power grid), with wee trickles from hydro, nuclear and all others (y’know the supposedly green ones).

I keep the car for a few years, looking down my long nose at those heathen b******ds driving their SUVs, confident I am loving my mother better, all the while my environmental footprint is growing from the size of saskwatch to godzilla.

But I am feeling gooooooood about myself!

Cricket624 on March 4, 2011 at 8:33 AM

orbitalair on March 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM

 
Coalvair

rogerb on March 4, 2011 at 8:33 AM

silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 3:59 AM

I’m really hoping that Captain Tongue Bath here will jump back in and regale us with more GM cheer leading.

BigWyo on March 4, 2011 at 8:52 AM

I will never buy a GM or Chrysler car. They have lost me forever as a customer because of the bailout. (As to the Volt, I look forward to the articles about battery life in the real world, fights with GM to get battery replacements under warranty, and a new line entry on GM’s accounting books for a reserve against such warranties.)

Over50 on March 4, 2011 at 9:21 AM

Why, they’re gonna fly off the lot!

/only if launched by a trebuchet

Ward Cleaver on March 4, 2011 at 9:28 AM

In over 1500 miles of driving my Volt. I have stopped at the gas station just once. This was to add air to the tires. The car was delivered with 8.2 gallons of gas. Still have 6 gallons of dealer gas remaining after 1594 miles of driving.

1595 / 2.2 = 724mpg

It feels great to refuel at home. How much time has been saved by not having to pull off the freeway to refuel? How much tension has been avoided by not having to compete at the gas station pumps? How much satisfaction has been realized by not having to send my paycheck to an OPEC county?

How’s your electric bill these days, and what will it be during peak A/C hours next July?

Unless you have nuclear or hydro power, fuel is burned to power your Volt and make volts times amperes. Maybe not in your back yard.

Steve Z on March 4, 2011 at 9:56 AM

I will never buy a GM or Chrysler car. They have lost me forever as a customer because of the bailout. (As to the Volt, I look forward to the articles about battery life in the real world, fights with GM to get battery replacements under warranty, and a new line entry on GM’s accounting books for a reserve against such warranties.)

Over50 on March 4, 2011 at 9:21 AM

My 1999 Tahoe blows out its battery every two years. Mechanic never could figure out why this happens. Battery brand makes no difference. Now I buy batteries with 3 year warranties from AAA. The battery blows, they come out, drop a new one in and I’m on my way.

Yeah, I’m definitely dropping the bowtie for the oval, now.

Cricket624 on March 4, 2011 at 10:02 AM

If Rube Goldberg had invented cars, he would have invented the Volt. If he had invented electricity generators, he would have invented the wind turbine and “wind farms”.

petefrt on March 4, 2011 at 10:09 AM

He should have mentioned the poor heater output. ‘Cold hands and feet’… And in a winter like we’ve just seen much reduced range on the electric only part of the cycle.
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No specifics in this report, just a blah blah… be the first but accept some bugs to … be the first. Over priced, but pay the price to over pay… Way better options available… but if gas prices go up enough compared to electricity prices (which are also expected to rise)… then having paid the near double price tag to be first to own one might work out later to not be nearly as bad… or not…
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Like everything Obarry touches… A Zoo of Vagueness and Pricey.
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RalphyBoy on March 4, 2011 at 11:04 AM

And just how are increased gasoline costs due to scarce oil going to reduce the price of electricity? That is going to skyrocket, too.

{O.O}

herself on March 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM

I will not buy it if it’s $4 let along $40K, just on principle.

Alden Pyle on March 3, 2011 at 10:37 PM

What principle is that? “The “Poor Trillions of Dollars to the
Funders of Islamic Extremism Principle”? Every 25 cents that gasoline goes up, its another $3 Billion American dollars ‘pumped’ over to Saudi Arabia.

JeffVader on March 4, 2011 at 12:19 PM

In other words….they’ll go bankrupt before I ever buy another GM vehicle.

Tim_CA on March 3, 2011 at 11:57 PM
There will be more choices: Volvo just announced production intent on plug-in hybrid V60 with 50 km (31 mi) of range.
Ford will be going with the C-Max Energi, a plug-in hybrid with a battery the same size as a Volt.
And many others, believe me.
And the prices will be coming down, lithium-ion cells already have.

Now:

Did Government Motors, under government pressure, make a socialist car that nobody wants and is completely ignored?

Or did a visionary vice-chairman (Bob Lutz), who in previous lives brought about the Dodge Viper, the BMW 3-series (80s yuppies) and the Ford Explorer (which ushered in the SUV era)… did he want to compete with Toyota Prius and Tesla Roadster not by me-too-ism but by completely leapfrogging them… did he trust the ideas of his brilliant engineers (Jon Lauckner) and champion and launch a bold, gutsy, risky — entrepreneurial, essentially — project that forced almost every other major automaker back to their own drawing boards to redraw the maps of their own futures…

silverfox on March 4, 2011 at 12:38 AM

ROTFLMAO!!! “Leapfrogging??? It takes 7 hours to charge!! It can then go maybe 40 miles. It often get’s WORSE mileage than a similarly equipped Prius!! When running on battery – it essentially runs on coal-fired power-plants!! Leapfrogging indeed!

People are NOT buying it in droves!!

What are you smokin’ bro?

Tim_CA on March 4, 2011 at 12:20 PM

So Carlos Ghosn is good only in restructuring?

sram on March 4, 2011 at 12:24 PM

We’ve been waiting for this chance for 40, 50 years.
Driving without gasoline is a good thing.

silverfox on March 3, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Ok, I put a tank of gas in my car every two weeks. Short commute, minimal other driving. Paid a bit under $15,000 for a Nissan Sentra 6 years ago. That’s my car today.

How long you think that Volt battery will last? 5 years? 6? Are you sure about that?

Lets say 10 and be unrealistic. That’s what GM says; but they also say:

“For our cost calculations we’re assuming each car will need a replacement during the warranty period.” – GM vice chairman Bob Lutz

26 tanks per year, 10 gallons per tank, 10 years. Saving 2600 gallons.

This vehicle costs $20,000 more than my current vehicle (presuming, as I’m sure you’d want me to; that the rebate doesn’t cost me anything).

So as soon as gas hits $7.69 per gallon (presuming the battery life actually reaches 10 years) this car might be a break even proposition for me.

Also we have to be assuming I’m not familiar with “interest” or the “time value of money” and consider paying $20,000 up front the same cost as spreading that out over 10 years.

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing; but it’s not something I’m willing to pay $10,000 per car (given current gas rates, plus interest costs, higher maintenance, etc.) in order to own.

gekkobear on March 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM

…..The electrical grid needs to be powered by new nuclear and clean coal plants. …….

blink on March 4, 2011 at 1:34 PM

And unicorns in pajama’s need to deliver me lollypops!

Given Little-Barry in charge, the Unicorns are more believable.

Tim_CA on March 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Supply and Demand: It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law!

LOL

How ironic is it that for a “Nation of Laws” the laws of economics (or physics for that matter) don’t exist in Washington?

Trainwreck on March 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM

I forgot the easiest one:

Chevy Vote.

(as in bought, so go buy one!)

orbitalair on March 4, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Why would I pay $41,000 for a car that can get an average of 40 miles per charge? Because I support my President and his example set by the Stimulus Bill where it cost American taxpayers $270,000 per job to create $50,000 a year jobs. Barack Obama, setting the bar for stupidity a whole lot higher.

wtng2fish on March 4, 2011 at 2:50 PM

And unicorns in pajama’s need to deliver me lollypops!

Given Little-Barry in charge, the Unicorns are more believable.

Tim_CA on March 4, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Power generators need to believe that increased electrical demand will be there before they invest billions to increase grid capacity.

The President of the US could certainly take steps to reduce the risk of this investment, but the free market still rules the day. The bottom line is that if demand projections were robust and supported new capacity then such capacity would be built – unicorns in pajamas aren’t necessary.

blink on March 4, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Gosh yer smart….and here I thought that an administration that is openly hostile to coal and has purposely never given nuclear a serious look….might not allow that to happen by making permits impossible to obtain and drowning the applicants in red tape.

Guess I was wrong and you were right given all of the “clean coal” and “nuclear plants” curretnly under construction and being pushed by OBummer……..oh wait.

Grow-up genius – ain’t gonna happen under Barry’s watch.

Tim_CA on March 4, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Apparently, P.T. Barnum was wrong!!!

A sucker is born every 156 minutes!!!

(=43,800 min/mo / 281 suckers/mo) = 156 minutes/sucker

landlines on March 4, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Enviromentalists and politicians don’t understand our cars aren’t just transportation, they’re FREEDOM. I can go out to my Camry drive 300+ miles fill up in a matter of minutes and do it all over again. I may not do that all the time,but if I wanted to I could. Until the electric car gets that ability it will be a market niche car.

RossMcG on March 4, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Tell me what generation plants, which currently have investor backing, are being denied permits.

blink on March 5, 2011 at 2:00 AM

All of them are being denied, delayed, or otherwise threatened by the Obama administration.

Obama has an anti-energy policy which is strangling the economy.

landlines on March 5, 2011 at 2:21 AM

Gosh yer smart….and here I thought that an administration that is openly hostile to coal and has purposely never given nuclear a serious look….might not allow that to happen by making permits impossible to obtain and drowning the applicants in red tape.

Guess I was wrong and you were right given all of the “clean coal” and “nuclear plants” curretnly under construction and being pushed by OBummer……..oh wait.

Grow-up genius – ain’t gonna happen under Barry’s watch.

Tim_CA on March 4, 2011 at 3:11 PM
Tell me what generation plants, which currently have investor backing, are being denied permits.

blink on March 5, 2011 at 2:00 AM

Too lazy to use Google my real smart friend? Too bad – there’s only like 90,000 hits on the subject. Here are a couple for your enjoyment:

http://www.adn.com/2010/09/22/1466777/state-delays-permits-for-healy.html

http://www.michiganpolicy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=994:calling-for-clean-coal-plants&catid=40:energy-and-environment-current-issues&Itemid=143

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/092310/reg_711183275.shtml

http://www.gpace.org/news/epa-letter-to-kdhe-finds-coal-plant-permit-deficient/

Starting to see a pattern smart guy? You really need a new hero – and you might want to educate yourself a tad before ya spout off.

Just Sayin’.

Tim_CA on March 5, 2011 at 3:57 AM

Jeez, I hope Silverfox is okay. To stop posting so suddenly…

rogerb on March 5, 2011 at 8:03 AM

What is truly sad about this car is that Obama wants 1 million electric cars. So much so that the Volt is subsidized $7500 per unit. I really do not know if all electric vehicles are subsidized this amount but if that were true it would cost the american taxpayer 75 billion dollars.

Where is the electric power needed to fuel these cars and how much does it cost? Obama and this administration is doing all it can to STOP energy production. Obama wants to bankrupt a huge portion of the electricity producing companies (coal). He, Obama wants to stop the source of fossil fuels to other electricity producing companies (oil and natural gas). He, Obama has not and will not move forward on uranium or thorium reactors.

Well at least the cost of electricity will skyrocket.

TomLawler on March 5, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Jeez, I hope Silverfox is okay. To stop posting so suddenly…

rogerb on March 5, 2011 at 8:03 AM

I Don’t!
(I kid because I love!)

Tim_CA on March 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM

It really is a shame how debates just fade away unanswered after they pass of the front page a day or so.

rogerb on March 7, 2011 at 4:44 AM

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