Quinnipiac poll: Plurality support gov’t shutdown, limiting PEU collective bargaining

posted at 12:05 pm on March 2, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

In other words, Quinnipiac found almost exactly the opposite of the NYT/CBS poll from two days ago.  I wonder how that happenedHmmmm:

American voters are split as 46 percent say it would be a good thing and 44 percent say it would be a bad thing if the U.S. government shut down because of disagreement in Washington over federal spending, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

Looking at the controversy over pay for government workers, 35 percent say the pay is “about right,” while 15 percent say it is too little and 42 percent say it is too much.

To reduce state budget deficits, collective bargaining for public employees should be limited, 45 percent of American voters tell the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll, while 42 percent oppose limits on collective bargaining. But voters say 63 – 31 percent that government workers should pay more for benefits and retirement programs.

Efforts by governors to limit collective bargaining rights are motivated by a desire to reduce government costs rather than to weaken unions, voters say 47 – 41 percent.

In fact, the only result that comes close to the NYT/CBS poll results are on the question of reducing collective-bargaining options for PEUs. The NYT/CBS poll showed that 60% of respondents opposed that approach, while the Q-poll shows opposition by 62% … of union households.  More than a quarter of union households actually support limiting collective bargaining for PEUs (29%).

In fact, union households was one of only three demographics with majorities opposed to limiting PEU collective bargaining.  The others were Democrats (56/33) and self-described liberals (63/26).  Independents narrowly support limiting PEU collective bargaining (45/43 in support), as do both men (47/45) and women (43/39), black voters (49/37), and of course Republicans (59/25).  Every income demographic supports limiting PEU collective bargaining, as do the voters above 35 years of age.  Even the younger voters who oppose it believe that the proposal to do so is an attempt to control costs rather than target unions in general (53/38).

Politico picks up on the poll results, but largely misses the story in the demographics:

In a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday, 46 percent of registered voters surveyed nationally said a shutdown would be a good thing for the country because it would stop the government from racking up more debt, while 44 percent said it would be a bad thing. At the same time, 47 percent of those surveyed said that responsibility for a shutdown would lie on the shoulders of the Republicans in Congress, while 38 percent said they would blame Obama. …

Government employees are paid too much, 42 percent of those surveyed said — a response from 59 percent of Republicans and 31 percent of Democrats. Six percent of Republicans and 24 percent of Democrats said public workers are paid too little.

Sixty-three percent of those surveyed said they would support requiring public employees to pay more for their benefits and retirement programs, while 31 percent were opposed to such a proposal. Republicans and independents were stronger in their support of public employees paying more, with 72 percent of GOPers saying they want to see public workers contribute more, while 70 percent of independents said the same. Democrats are more divided – 47 percent said they support public workers paying more for their benefits, while 45 percent said they would oppose such a move.

If Democrats wanted to cast this as an assault on the middle class by the wealthy, they have failed just as miserably as the NYT and CBS have in delivering a reliable poll result.  The Hitler signs aren’t convincing anyone except the narrow set of true believers.


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Well this makes me feel better. I can’t believe the majority in this country wants socialism. That’s just not how it is.

NJ Red on March 2, 2011 at 12:08 PM

In other words, Quinnipiac found almost exactly the opposite of the NYT/CBS poll from two days ago. I wonder how that happened? Hmmmm:

Lying liars lie.

trigon on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Gonna make it tough for BOR tonight. He was so sure last night!

a capella on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Tingles, are you watching?

Politico is the sister site for msdnc….

cmsinaz on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

How do the numbers come out when people realize that it is they who going to have to pony up for all this largess that goes to the unions and then the Democratic party?

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

If the union idiots continue their screaming in Wisconsin, you’ll see that number go from a plurality to a majority soon.

Walker’s doing his own version of “the adults are in charge” and, unlike the Dems, he actually IS acting like an adult.

teke184 on March 2, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Should be a fun news night.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM

If Democrats wanted to cast this as an assault on the middle class by the wealthy, they have failed just as miserably as the NYT and CBS have in delivering a reliable poll result.

Yes, it’s pleasure to see how much the American electorate has matured politically. True,not always, but for the most part we’ve come a long, long way. Much of the credit(or the blame, depending on your point of view lol)lies with the instant media available to us now.

jeanie on March 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Protesting Teacher: Give Us the Billionaires’ Addresses!

“Melody,” a 1st grade teacher, had this to say about ‘where’s the money in this country’: “Well, isn’t it in the top 1.5% of people? I think they should start telling us those people’s addresses!”

Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM

I guess bho needs to get on the tube again and give his thumb up for the union thugs!
L

letget on March 2, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Gonna make it tough for BOR tonight. He was so sure last night!

a capella on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Ted Baxter hardest hit…

the_nile on March 2, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Gonna make it tough for BOR tonight. He was so sure last night!

a capella on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

No kidding. Me thinks he’ll ignore this one. He’s a big union man.

Knucklehead on March 2, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Anyone want to bet on which polls will be highlighted by the NSM?

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Democrats and failure? Surely not!

j_galt on March 2, 2011 at 12:16 PM

NYT/CBS lost their credibility a long time ago.

GarandFan on March 2, 2011 at 12:18 PM

But voters say 63 – 31 percent that government workers should pay more for benefits and retirement programs.

Are you paying attention Republicans???

THAT is the issue, not the red herring, emotional liberal trick; this time called “collective bargaining”, akin to “for the children”, “for the poor” and “for the country”

Hammer that area over and over, in fact – remove “collective bargaining” from the lips of Reps when discussing the issue.

Flat out state “Most Americans support government workers paying their fair share of benefits as they do”

Dont go into the “12.6% vs 30% for common folk” – that blurs the problem. Don’t even go down the “balance budget” rabbit hole – for it conjures up the us vs them meme.

Its common sense and simple human behavior – as pointed out in this poll’s Q&A: Empathy trumps sympathy.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM

If Democrats wanted to cast this as an assault on the middle class by the wealthy, they have failed just as miserably as the NYT and CBS have in delivering a reliable poll result.

Memes busted.

ted c on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Even Starbucks baristas have their limits to liberal nonsense.

1 hour wifi maximum.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM

NYT/CBS lost their credibility a long time ago.

63 – 31 percent that government workers should pay more for benefits and retirement programs.

And in a new NYT/C – BS poll 63% of Americans admit to being racist, nazi, domestic terrorist, haters.
/

VegasRick on March 2, 2011 at 12:22 PM

OC: Oh, you certainly know what happens when you turn on a light, no? :)

Scott H on March 2, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Protesting Teacher: Give Us the Billionaires’ Addresses!

“Melody,” a 1st grade teacher, had this to say about ‘where’s the money in this country’: “Well, isn’t it in the top 1.5% of people? I think they should start telling us those people’s addresses!”

Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Anyone want to give her the address of the Dem caucus in DC?

H@ll, one of the richest guys in the Senate is someone she likely voted for, Herb Kohl (D-WI).

teke184 on March 2, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Even Starbucks baristas have their limits to liberal nonsense.

1 hour wifi maximum.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM

I believe ernesto has the afternoon shift along with Proud Strawman and crr6, but recent events have taken away a lot of their bluster.

The Left is losing and losing big, it’s sort of really sad for them that people figured out that Progressive just meant the same old Marxist ideology.

Makes you wonder what new label they will come up with for themselves.

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Nooner

Aviator on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Anyone want to give her the address of the Dem caucus in DC?

H@ll, one of the richest guys in the Senate is someone she likely voted for, Herb Kohl (D-WI).

teke184 on March 2, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Or … we could try to find out who this chick Melody is and look up her address. Just sayin.

j_galt on March 2, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM

A first grade teacher? In WI? She should not have a job with the very young and vunerable. If this is true she needs to be removed from a classroom for the very young–immediately. On a similar note though, my 8th grade grandaughter told me the other day that her social studies teacher told them the Obama was the most powerful man in the world. We told her to politely suggest, should this happen again, that perhaps the Pope might be considered at least as powerful–just to give her gentle ammunition that would be hard to refute–if the opportunity presents itself.

jeanie on March 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Nooner

Aviator on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Thanks, I didn’t need that at lunchtime.

Del Dolemonte on March 2, 2011 at 12:37 PM

just to give her gentle ammunition that would be hard to refute–if the opportunity presents itself.

jeanie on March 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM

That’ll get the poor girl sent to the office! ha!

Tim Zank on March 2, 2011 at 12:38 PM

teke184 on March 2, 2011 at 12:25 PM

This is starting to sound like a trend:

Atty. general: Illinois should release FOID card list

Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Ed, this poll did not collective bargaining a “right”. That is a huge difference.

Asking someone if they agree or disagree with limiting collective bargaining is much different than asking if they support taking away collective bargaining rights.

The choice of using the word “right” (or not) is going to affect how the average person responds to the question.

It’s nice to finally see a poll that doesn’t refer to collective bargaining as a right.

ButterflyDragon on March 2, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Andy Stern: ‘It may not end beautifully in Wisconsin.’

But it may not end beautifully in Wisconsin. They have to be really careful about how that end is interpreted — whatever it is. You have to think about how to not make it a loss, without making ridiculous claims that you’ve won.

But this is what we do best in labor: fight back.

Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM

This makes me think of something Krauthammer said on Special Report last night…when someone mentioned the other polls that had other results, he said that he could do a poll and get far different results just by wording the questions differently.

Terrye on March 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Even Starbucks baristas have their limits to liberal nonsense.

1 hour wifi maximum.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM
I believe ernesto has the afternoon shift along with Proud Strawman and crr6, but recent events have taken away a lot of their bluster.

The Left is losing and losing big, it’s sort of really sad for them that people figured out that Progressive just meant the same old Marxist ideology.

Makes you wonder what new label they will come up with for themselves.

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM

“Newerer Liberals”

Just rolls off the tongue.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM

To reduce state budget deficits, collective bargaining for public employees should be limited, 45 percent of American voters tell the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll, while 42 percent oppose limits on collective bargaining.

The wording of this question could be crucial to the response–a plurality support LIMITS on collective bargaining by public employees’ unions, but other polls show pluralities opposing ELIMINATING collective bargaining.

The question then becomes, what “limits” do people support on collective bargaining? On wages? On pensions? On health care? On teacher tenure?

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has insisted on ELIMINATING collective bargaining by public employees’ unions, and some people may believe he overstepped, and might prefer some “limits” on collective bargaining (such as wages only, not pensions) which could resolve the conflict between public employees’ benefits and balancing state budgets.

In the light of this poll, could Walker propose some partial limits on collective bargaining (without eliminating it entirely) in order to entice State Senators back to Madison to vote on the budget bill?

Steve Z on March 2, 2011 at 12:57 PM

In the light of this poll, could Walker propose some partial limits on collective bargaining (without eliminating it entirely) in order to entice State Senators back to Madison to vote on the budget bill?

Steve Z on March 2, 2011 at 12:57 PM

He already did. The bill retains collective bargaining for wages.

darwin on March 2, 2011 at 1:00 PM

I believe ernesto has the afternoon shift along with Proud Strawman and crr6, but recent events have taken away a lot of their bluster.

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM

GF & ernesto were here this morning until Ed posted this thread.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 1:04 PM

When do we get to see a poll that asks these questions?……

“If public sector unions were abolished, do you think that would inspire public workers to work harder and more efficiently because they’d be more worried about losing their jobs?”.

“Do you think this would be a good thing?”

ardenenoch on March 2, 2011 at 1:09 PM

BOOM

Missing Senators To Be Fined $100 A Day

Senate Also Authorizes Law Enforcement To Help Get Senators BackMADISOn, Wis. — Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate are taking new steps to bring the 14 missing Senate Democrats back to Wisconsin.

They passed a resolution Wednesday morning on a unanimous vote that would charge each senator $100 each day for every day the lawmaker was missing. They would also make the 14 missing senators reimburse the Senate for any cost incurred to bring them back.

The resolution also authorizes the help of any law enforcement officer in the state to bring them back to the Capitol.

The resolution also allows the majority leaders to cease paying expense reimbursements and parking privileges for all staff for the next two years.

The senators left Wisconsin and went to Illinois on Feb. 17 to avoid voting on a budget repair bill that would eliminate collective bargaining for public workers in Wisconsin.

WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Democratic Party governments give in to union demands which result in civil servants earning, with benefits, 1.5 to 2 times what they would earn in the private sector (and with lax job performance requirements). Unions and union members then support the Democratic party with campaign financing and support.

This system is corrupt, not by accident, but by design.

Basilsbest on March 2, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has insisted on ELIMINATING collective bargaining by public employees’ unions, and some people may believe he overstepped, and might prefer some “limits” on collective bargaining (such as wages only, not pensions) which could resolve the conflict between public employees’ benefits and balancing state budgets.

Steve Z on March 2, 2011 at 12:57 PM

You are wrong here, Walker has proposed to eliminate bargaining on benefits only – wages can still be bargained for.

WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:12 PM

WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Very nice … and well deserved.

darwin on March 2, 2011 at 1:18 PM

msdnc is only touting their nbc/wsj poll that a majority of folks want to keep collective bargaining…

just spewing what they want you to hear…

*click*

cmsinaz on March 2, 2011 at 1:19 PM

WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:10 PM

me likey!!!!!!

cmsinaz on March 2, 2011 at 1:20 PM

But it may not end beautifully in Wisconsin.

Is that a threat?

Missy on March 2, 2011 at 1:25 PM

GF & ernesto were here this morning until Ed posted this thread.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 1:04 PM

How about that bifidis twerp?

Del Dolemonte on March 2, 2011 at 1:41 PM

It’s interesting that when the pollster doesn’t intentionally use the word “rights” in the questions (because we’re not talking about “rights” – we’re talking about special privileges), and avoids loaded and incorrect term “rights” altogether, the poll tacks with the election results in Nov.

Good Lt on March 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Good Lt on March 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM

I have been thinking about that. All over the news, they are referred to as “rights”, but that term has a much different effect on people than the word “privilege”.

WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Protesting Teacher: Give Us the Billionaires’ Addresses!
Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM

This morning, Rush gleefully reported on a story (can’t recall the link) that Wisconsin Teachers’ Union pension holds investments in Georgia Pacific (aka Koch brothers)….can’t make this stuff up.

ziggyville on March 2, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Quinnipiac poll: Plurality support gov’t shutdown, limiting PEU collective bargainingShare17posted at 12:05 pm on March 2, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
printer-friendly In other words, Quinnipiac found almost exactly the opposite of the NYT/CBS poll from two days ago. I wonder how that happened? Hmmmm:
American voters are split as 46 percent say it would be a good thing and 44 percent say it would be a bad thing if the U.S. government shut down because of disagreement in Washington over federal spending, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.
Looking at the controversy over pay for government workers, 35 percent say the pay is “about right,” while 15 percent say it is too little and 42 percent say it is too much.
To reduce state budget deficits, collective bargaining for public employees should be limited, 45 percent of American voters tell the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll, while 42 percent oppose limits on collective bargaining. But voters say 63 – 31 percent that government workers should pay more for benefits and retirement programs.
Efforts by governors to limit collective bargaining rights are motivated by a desire to reduce government costs rather than to weaken unions, voters say 47 – 41 percent.
In fact, the only result that comes close to the NYT/CBS poll results are on the question of reducing collective-bargaining options for PEUs. The NYT/CBS poll showed that 60% of respondents opposed that approach, while the Q-poll shows opposition by 62% … of union households. More than a quarter of union households actually support limiting collective bargaining for PEUs (29%).
In fact, union households was one of only three demographics with majorities opposed to limiting PEU collective bargaining. The others were Democrats (56/33) and self-described liberals (63/26). Independents narrowly support limiting PEU collective bargaining (45/43 in support), as do both men (47/45) and women (43/39), black voters (49/37), and of course Republicans (59/25). Every income demographic supports limiting PEU collective bargaining, as do the voters above 35 years of age. Even the younger voters who oppose it believe that the proposal to do so is an attempt to control costs rather than target unions in general (53/38).
Politico picks up on the poll results, but largely misses the story in the demographics:
In a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday, 46 percent of registered voters surveyed nationally said a shutdown would be a good thing for the country because it would stop the government from racking up more debt, while 44 percent said it would be a bad thing. At the same time, 47 percent of those surveyed said that responsibility for a shutdown would lie on the shoulders of the Republicans in Congress, while 38 percent said they would blame Obama. …

Government employees are paid too much, 42 percent of those surveyed said — a response from 59 percent of Republicans and 31 percent of Democrats. Six percent of Republicans and 24 percent of Democrats said public workers are paid too little.
Sixty-three percent of those surveyed said they would support requiring public employees to pay more for their benefits and retirement programs, while 31 percent were opposed to such a proposal. Republicans and independents were stronger in their support of public employees paying more, with 72 percent of GOPers saying they want to see public workers contribute more, while 70 percent of independents said the same. Democrats are more divided – 47 percent said they support public workers paying more for their benefits, while 45 percent said they would oppose such a move.
If Democrats wanted to cast this as an assault on the middle class by the wealthy, they have failed just as miserably as the NYT and CBS have in delivering a reliable poll result. The Hitler signs aren’t convincing anyone except the narrow set of true believers.

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Well this makes me feel better. I can’t believe the majority in this country wants socialism. That’s just not how it is.

NJ Red on March 2, 2011 at 12:08 PM

In other words, Quinnipiac found almost exactly the opposite of the NYT/CBS poll from two days ago. I wonder how that happened? Hmmmm:
Lying liars lie.

trigon on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Gonna make it tough for BOR tonight. He was so sure last night!

a capella on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Tingles, are you watching?

Politico is the sister site for msdnc….

cmsinaz on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

How do the numbers come out when people realize that it is they who going to have to pony up for all this largess that goes to the unions and then the Democratic party?

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM

If the union idiots continue their screaming in Wisconsin, you’ll see that number go from a plurality to a majority soon.

Walker’s doing his own version of “the adults are in charge” and, unlike the Dems, he actually IS acting like an adult.

teke184 on March 2, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Should be a fun news night.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM

If Democrats wanted to cast this as an assault on the middle class by the wealthy, they have failed just as miserably as the NYT and CBS have in delivering a reliable poll result.
Yes, it’s pleasure to see how much the American electorate has matured politically. True,not always, but for the most part we’ve come a long, long way. Much of the credit(or the blame, depending on your point of view lol)lies with the instant media available to us now.

jeanie on March 2, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Protesting Teacher: Give Us the Billionaires’ Addresses!

“Melody,” a 1st grade teacher, had this to say about ‘where’s the money in this country’: “Well, isn’t it in the top 1.5% of people? I think they should start telling us those people’s addresses!”
Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM

I guess bho needs to get on the tube again and give his thumb up for the union thugs!
L

letget on March 2, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Gonna make it tough for BOR tonight. He was so sure last night!

a capella on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Ted Baxter hardest hit…

the_nile on March 2, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Gonna make it tough for BOR tonight. He was so sure last night!

a capella on March 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM
No kidding. Me thinks he’ll ignore this one. He’s a big union man.

Knucklehead on March 2, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Anyone want to bet on which polls will be highlighted by the NSM?

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Democrats and failure? Surely not!

j_galt on March 2, 2011 at 12:16 PM

NYT/CBS lost their credibility a long time ago.

GarandFan on March 2, 2011 at 12:18 PM

But voters say 63 – 31 percent that government workers should pay more for benefits and retirement programs.
Are you paying attention Republicans???

THAT is the issue, not the red herring, emotional liberal trick; this time called “collective bargaining”, akin to “for the children”, “for the poor” and “for the country”

Hammer that area over and over, in fact – remove “collective bargaining” from the lips of Reps when discussing the issue.

Flat out state “Most Americans support government workers paying their fair share of benefits as they do”

Dont go into the “12.6% vs 30% for common folk” – that blurs the problem. Don’t even go down the “balance budget” rabbit hole – for it conjures up the us vs them meme.

Its common sense and simple human behavior – as pointed out in this poll’s Q&A: Empathy trumps sympathy.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM

If Democrats wanted to cast this as an assault on the middle class by the wealthy, they have failed just as miserably as the NYT and CBS have in delivering a reliable poll result.
Memes busted.

ted c on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Even Starbucks baristas have their limits to liberal nonsense.

1 hour wifi maximum.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM

NYT/CBS lost their credibility a long time ago.
63 – 31 percent that government workers should pay more for benefits and retirement programs.
And in a new NYT/C – BS poll 63% of Americans admit to being racist, nazi, domestic terrorist, haters.
/

VegasRick on March 2, 2011 at 12:22 PM

OC: Oh, you certainly know what happens when you turn on a light, no? :)

Scott H on March 2, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Protesting Teacher: Give Us the Billionaires’ Addresses!

“Melody,” a 1st grade teacher, had this to say about ‘where’s the money in this country’: “Well, isn’t it in the top 1.5% of people? I think they should start telling us those people’s addresses!”

Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Anyone want to give her the address of the Dem caucus in DC?

H@ll, one of the richest guys in the Senate is someone she likely voted for, Herb Kohl (D-WI).

teke184 on March 2, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Even Starbucks baristas have their limits to liberal nonsense.

1 hour wifi maximum.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM
I believe ernesto has the afternoon shift along with Proud Strawman and crr6, but recent events have taken away a lot of their bluster.

The Left is losing and losing big, it’s sort of really sad for them that people figured out that Progressive just meant the same old Marxist ideology.

Makes you wonder what new label they will come up with for themselves.

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Nooner

Aviator on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Anyone want to give her the address of the Dem caucus in DC?

H@ll, one of the richest guys in the Senate is someone she likely voted for, Herb Kohl (D-WI).

teke184 on March 2, 2011 at 12:25 PM
Or … we could try to find out who this chick Melody is and look up her address. Just sayin.

j_galt on March 2, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM
A first grade teacher? In WI? She should not have a job with the very young and vunerable. If this is true she needs to be removed from a classroom for the very young–immediately. On a similar note though, my 8th grade grandaughter told me the other day that her social studies teacher told them the Obama was the most powerful man in the world. We told her to politely suggest, should this happen again, that perhaps the Pope might be considered at least as powerful–just to give her gentle ammunition that would be hard to refute–if the opportunity presents itself.

jeanie on March 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Nooner

Aviator on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Thanks, I didn’t need that at lunchtime.

Del Dolemonte on March 2, 2011 at 12:37 PM

just to give her gentle ammunition that would be hard to refute–if the opportunity presents itself.

jeanie on March 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM
That’ll get the poor girl sent to the office! ha!

Tim Zank on March 2, 2011 at 12:38 PM

teke184 on March 2, 2011 at 12:25 PM
This is starting to sound like a trend:

Atty. general: Illinois should release FOID card list

Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Ed, this poll did not collective bargaining a “right”. That is a huge difference.

Asking someone if they agree or disagree with limiting collective bargaining is much different than asking if they support taking away collective bargaining rights.

The choice of using the word “right” (or not) is going to affect how the average person responds to the question.

It’s nice to finally see a poll that doesn’t refer to collective bargaining as a right.

ButterflyDragon on March 2, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Andy Stern: ‘It may not end beautifully in Wisconsin.’

But it may not end beautifully in Wisconsin. They have to be really careful about how that end is interpreted — whatever it is. You have to think about how to not make it a loss, without making ridiculous claims that you’ve won.

But this is what we do best in labor: fight back.
Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM

This makes me think of something Krauthammer said on Special Report last night…when someone mentioned the other polls that had other results, he said that he could do a poll and get far different results just by wording the questions differently.

Terrye on March 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM

Where’d ernesto & Grow Fins go?

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Even Starbucks baristas have their limits to liberal nonsense.

1 hour wifi maximum.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM
I believe ernesto has the afternoon shift along with Proud Strawman and crr6, but recent events have taken away a lot of their bluster.

The Left is losing and losing big, it’s sort of really sad for them that people figured out that Progressive just meant the same old Marxist ideology.

Makes you wonder what new label they will come up with for themselves.

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM
“Newerer Liberals”

Just rolls off the tongue.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:52 PM

To reduce state budget deficits, collective bargaining for public employees should be limited, 45 percent of American voters tell the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll, while 42 percent oppose limits on collective bargaining.
The wording of this question could be crucial to the response–a plurality support LIMITS on collective bargaining by public employees’ unions, but other polls show pluralities opposing ELIMINATING collective bargaining.

The question then becomes, what “limits” do people support on collective bargaining? On wages? On pensions? On health care? On teacher tenure?

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has insisted on ELIMINATING collective bargaining by public employees’ unions, and some people may believe he overstepped, and might prefer some “limits” on collective bargaining (such as wages only, not pensions) which could resolve the conflict between public employees’ benefits and balancing state budgets.

In the light of this poll, could Walker propose some partial limits on collective bargaining (without eliminating it entirely) in order to entice State Senators back to Madison to vote on the budget bill?

Steve Z on March 2, 2011 at 12:57 PM

In the light of this poll, could Walker propose some partial limits on collective bargaining (without eliminating it entirely) in order to entice State Senators back to Madison to vote on the budget bill?

Steve Z on March 2, 2011 at 12:57 PM
He already did. The bill retains collective bargaining for wages.

darwin on March 2, 2011 at 1:00 PM

I believe ernesto has the afternoon shift along with Proud Strawman and crr6, but recent events have taken away a lot of their bluster.

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM
GF & ernesto were here this morning until Ed posted this thread.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 1:04 PM

When do we get to see a poll that asks these questions?……

“If public sector unions were abolished, do you think that would inspire public workers to work harder and more efficiently because they’d be more worried about losing their jobs?”.

“Do you think this would be a good thing?”

ardenenoch on March 2, 2011 at 1:09 PM

BOOM

Missing Senators To Be Fined $100 A Day

Senate Also Authorizes Law Enforcement To Help Get Senators BackMADISOn, Wis. — Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate are taking new steps to bring the 14 missing Senate Democrats back to Wisconsin.

They passed a resolution Wednesday morning on a unanimous vote that would charge each senator $100 each day for every day the lawmaker was missing. They would also make the 14 missing senators reimburse the Senate for any cost incurred to bring them back.

The resolution also authorizes the help of any law enforcement officer in the state to bring them back to the Capitol.

The resolution also allows the majority leaders to cease paying expense reimbursements and parking privileges for all staff for the next two years.

The senators left Wisconsin and went to Illinois on Feb. 17 to avoid voting on a budget repair bill that would eliminate collective bargaining for public workers in Wisconsin.
WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Democratic Party governments give in to union demands which result in civil servants earning, with benefits, 1.5 to 2 times what they would earn in the private sector (and with lax job performance requirements). Unions and union members then support the Democratic party with campaign financing and support.

This system is corrupt, not by accident, but by design.

Basilsbest on March 2, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has insisted on ELIMINATING collective bargaining by public employees’ unions, and some people may believe he overstepped, and might prefer some “limits” on collective bargaining (such as wages only, not pensions) which could resolve the conflict between public employees’ benefits and balancing state budgets.

Steve Z on March 2, 2011 at 12:57 PM
You are wrong here, Walker has proposed to eliminate bargaining on benefits only – wages can still be bargained for.

WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:12 PM

WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Very nice … and well deserved.

darwin on March 2, 2011 at 1:18 PM

msdnc is only touting their nbc/wsj poll that a majority of folks want to keep collective bargaining…

just spewing what they want you to hear…

*click*

cmsinaz on March 2, 2011 at 1:19 PM

WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:10 PM
me likey!!!!!!

cmsinaz on March 2, 2011 at 1:20 PM

But it may not end beautifully in Wisconsin.
Is that a threat?

Missy on March 2, 2011 at 1:25 PM

GF & ernesto were here this morning until Ed posted this thread.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 1:04 PM
How about that bifidis twerp?

Del Dolemonte on March 2, 2011 at 1:41 PM

It’s interesting that when the pollster doesn’t intentionally use the word “rights” in the questions (because we’re not talking about “rights” – we’re talking about special privileges), and avoids loaded and incorrect term “rights” altogether, the poll tacks with the election results in Nov.

Good Lt on March 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Good Lt on March 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM
I have been thinking about that. All over the news, they are referred to as “rights”, but that term has a much different effect on people than the word “privilege”.

WisCon on March 2, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Protesting Teacher: Give Us the Billionaires’ Addresses!
Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM
This morning, Rush gleefully reported on a story (can’t recall the link) that Wisconsin Teachers’ Union pension holds investments in Georgia Pacific (aka Koch brothers)….can’t make this stuff up.

OMG! That is priceless! There is always a backstory if
one waits for it!

Amjean on March 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Don’t ask me how the above lengthy post happened.
I turned to answer the phone – and “zap”!!

Amjean on March 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Bernanke came out today and said budget cuts could cost 200,000 jobs.

He must be talking about government jobs, and this is terrible news. We need to cut 1 million, for starters.

NYT/CBS, Pew, and Quinnipiac are invariably biased to the left of center on issues polls. If they don’t provide the crosstabs and sample detail, there is little reason to pause before deleting their “results.”

Adjoran on March 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Walker’s doing his own version of “the adults are in charge” and, unlike the Dems, he actually IS acting like an adult.

teke184 on March 2, 2011 at 12:11 PM

ding, ding, ding…WE have a winner!!!

huskerdiva on March 2, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Even Starbucks baristas have their limits to liberal nonsense.

1 hour wifi maximum.

Odie1941 on March 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM

+1000 lol

huskerdiva on March 2, 2011 at 2:29 PM

The 45% jackars

Schadenfreude on March 2, 2011 at 3:02 PM

I suspect that the great majority of those who support “collective bargaining” are thinking of open shops, where a bunch of guys get together and elect Joe as spokesman. Going up against “big bosses”, Joe sometimes “wins” and sometimes “loses”.

This bears about as much resemblance to the reality of publci sector unions as all sorts of other Hollywood tropes…..cars explode going off cliffs, guns have unlimited ammunition, good guys are inerrant marksmen where bad guys can’t hit the broad side of a barn…. That is to say, none.

cthulhu on March 2, 2011 at 3:40 PM

46 percent of registered voters surveyed nationally said a shutdown would be a good thing for the country because it would stop the government from racking up more debt,

I pity the fool who lives anywhere near a ghetto or run-down trailer park if the welfare checks don’t come in.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 2, 2011 at 4:08 PM