Has a fleebagger broken ranks?

posted at 10:12 am on March 2, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Has one of the fleebaggers returned to Madison, Wisconsin?  A series of Twitter messages last night claimed that Wisconsin state Senator Tim Cullen had returned from his flight to Illinois that brought the state legislature to a standstill in its budget crisis.  John Hayward at Human Events (formerly Doc Zero here at Hot Air) thinks Cullen has broken the united fleebagger front:

It appears that one of the 14 fugitive Wisconsin Democrats has returned to the state capitol, heeding Governor Scott Walker’s ultimatum.

A flurry of Twitter messages late Tuesday night heralded the return of Democrat State Senator Tim Cullen, who represents labor union interests in the 15th Senate District surrounding Janesville, Wisconsin.

So far, though, there has been no confirmation at the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, which has provided excellent coverage of the budget impasse during the crisis.  Twitter might provide the quickest communication of breaking news, but if Cullen has returned, one would presume that other media would follow up and report on it.  The television news stations in Madison thus far have nothing on the rumors, so I’d be a little skeptical of the reports.

However, as John notes, it looks as though Cullen has broken ranks rhetorically on the budget, at least incrementally:

Cullen calls Walker’s budget address a good speech, and the goal of getting Wisconsin moving again is shared by everyone. He does have a lot of questions about the details though. The Democrat wants to know how it will affect schools, municipalities, and health care. He says the sticking point is still the proposal to strip public workers of most of their collective bargaining rights.

That’s a better reaction than many Democrats still in Wisconsin gave the speech, as the JS Online reports:

Democrats described Walker’s proposal in apocalyptic terms, with Rep. Tamara Grigsby (D-Milwaukee) calling it an “absolute annihilation” of public education.

“He does this under the guise of fixing the budget, but what he’s really doing is waging war on Wisconsin,” Grigsby said.

The effects on Milwaukee, she said, would be a “blow that I don’t think we can stand up to.”

Ironically, even if Cullen is still in Illinois, he might be closer to the Governor’s position than his Democratic colleagues in the Assembly.

The RNC has spent some money in Wisconsin defending Scott Walker and blaming Barack Obama for the outsized influence of public employee unions in this 30-second spot. It’s been viral on the Internet for a week, but the RNC made its announcement of TV buys this morning:


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One little crack is all it takes.

pugwriter on March 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Good for the RNC.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 10:18 AM

Stay or return, you 14 are all damaged goods. You look like spoiled, non-spanked, children denied a trip to the candy store.

Waaaaah, Waaaaah, Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!

roy_batty on March 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM

When these Dems bailed, they did it out of emotion. All this time they’ve holed themselves up has given them time to think. Cracks will come, and multiply, and grow, but only if Walker and the Republicans stand absolutely firm.

Thinking is the enemy of the Democrat agenda.

pugwriter on March 2, 2011 at 10:20 AM

So the layoff notices went out last night?

Skandia Recluse on March 2, 2011 at 10:20 AM

Wonder if Cullen is going to get the “Glenn Grothman” treatment as he approaches the Capitol…

Badger91 on March 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

A dem with some common sense? I’ll believe it, when I see it!!!

capejasmine on March 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

OT: SCOTUS just ruled in favor of Westboro Baptist’s right to free speech at funerals. 8-1 Alito dissenting.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 10:22 AM

“He does this under the guise of fixing the budget, but what he’s really doing is waging war on Wisconsin,” Grigsby said.

Make sure that no Tea Parties read that or they may decide to get really violent.

Bishop on March 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

I don’t believe it.

Knucklehead on March 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

So the layoff notices went out last night?

Skandia Recluse on March 2, 2011 at 10:20 AM

That was one of my questions.

Also, can anyone tell me about the fleebagger status in IN?

MeatHeadinCA on March 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

I hope this lasts until Easter!
The Madison optics are a gift for Conservatives…

mjbrooks3 on March 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Notice how the dems always use talking point rhetoric when describing a bill or something they don’t like, but never have any specifics. Waging war on WI? Come on, lady, point to something specific in the reform bill that states this is a war against the state. This governor is trying to save your state from the ruinous policies of the previous admin.

Kissmygrits on March 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

How about ratbastardcommieasswipes?

darwin-t on March 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM

So does this mean I can return the mop to its rightful owner?

Electrongod on March 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Also, can anyone tell me about the fleebagger status in IN?

MeatHeadinCA on March 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

I haven’t heard a word here in the Chicago area.

Knucklehead on March 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Why should we? These epithets are written for us by the libtards. We just run with them.

BobMbx on March 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM

Stern to WaPo: Labor Movement ‘Had Socialist and Communist Tendencies’; Change the Tense, Andy

In response to a question from Klein about “the animosity between unions and workplaces” (that is what Klein says he said), Stern made an interesting assertion that most readers probably took at face value:

We grew up in that culture. In the ’30s, people didn’t want us to exist. We had to do sit-down strikes . . . we had socialist and communist tendencies. We grew up, to speak in Marxist terms, in a world with a lot more class struggle. It’s not viewed through that light anymore.

Insert witty screen name here on March 2, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Notice how the dems always use talking point rhetoric when describing a bill or something they don’t like, but never have any specifics. Waging war on WI? Come on, lady, point to something specific in the reform bill that states this is a war against the state. This governor is trying to save your state from the ruinous policies of the previous admin.

Kissmygrits on March 2, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Its union hall banter. Its the only form of communication they can understand.

BobMbx on March 2, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

You’re gasping for air; you’re tail desperately slapping the ground.

pugwriter on March 2, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Also, can anyone tell me about the fleebagger status in IN?

MeatHeadinCA on March 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Fox is just reporting the leader of the absent Indiana Dem’s is returning today.

Knucklehead on March 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Fleebagger,Fleebagger,Fleebagger.
Yes we can call them something else, but “worthless, shameful, irresponsible puppets of communist union scum” just doesn’t roll off the tongue.

hml65 on March 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

When we start caring about your opinion,we’ll let you know.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Democrat State Senator Tim Cullen, who represents labor union interests in the 15th Senate District surrounding Janesville, Wisconsin.

hehe

forest on March 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

I haven’t heard a word here in the Chicago area.

Knucklehead on March 2, 2011 at 10:29 AM

I’m just hearing on Fox that the minority Fleebag leader Bauer is coming back… I wonder what goodies Mitch gave him…

MeatHeadinCA on March 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Democrats described Walker’s proposal in apocalyptic terms, with Rep. Tamara Grigsby (D-Milwaukee) calling it an “absolute annihilation” of public education.

“He does this under the guise of fixing the budget, but what he’s really doing is waging war on Wisconsin,” Grigsby said.

The effects on Milwaukee, she said, would be a “blow that I don’t think we can stand up to.”

What happened to that rule about violent rhetoric?

Oh, yeah. That rule only applied to conservatives.

Anyway…

…It sure appears as if Governor Walker is playing this to near perfection (the only little “ding” was the prank phone call that got through).

He seems to understand that time is the enemy to the left.

Time to think about what is going on.
Time alone for the 14 Dems to ponder what they’re doing.
Time for the protesters to wear themselves out.
Time for the noise to die down and we’re left with 14 Democrats who are subverting the process and breaking their vows as public servants.

At least one will be back home soon because there’s nothing worth fighting for anymore. They’ve lost the battle and maybe even the war.

The protesters are going home.
Obama has run away from the fight.
The teachers are back to work.
And the unions are beginning to turn their focus and energy to other states (Ohio looks like it might be next up).

Religious_Zealot on March 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

You might remember that on the prank phone call from last week, Gov. Walker specifically mentioned Cullen as being more reasonable than his, ahem, colleagues. He returned to the Senate a while back after being away for a number of years, in which he lived in the real world and made a fortune. If any of the Clock Tower 14 understand the issues, he would be the guy.

Mr. D on March 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

You’re gasping for air; your’re tail desperately slapping the ground.

pugwriter on March 2, 2011 at 10:30 AM

FIFM

pugwriter on March 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Nope, it’s playing your game by your rules, without being profane, of course.

Bob's Kid on March 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Isn’t the same thing you said yesterday?


Can’t you come up with anything original?

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Politicians running away from their sworn duties is as low as it can go. I don’t know what the answer is, and I don’t know where this is all taking us; what I do know is America is no longer a great nation when governed by this type of human.

Keemo on March 2, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Fox is just reporting the leader of the absent Indiana Dem’s is returning today.

Knucklehead on March 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Thanks…

MeatHeadinCA on March 2, 2011 at 10:33 AM

A flurry of Twitter messages late Tuesday night heralded the return of Democrat State Senator Tim Cullen, who represents labor union interests in the 15th Senate District surrounding Janesville, Wisconsin.

Does Cullen “represent” any one else???

Rovin on March 2, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Grow Fins, this has already been covered:

Flee-bagger invokes:
1) Childish icky nickname “tea bagger”
2) Fleabag hotels
3) Fleabag dogs
4) Carpet bagger

5) It’s catchy, pithy and everyone knows of whom we speak.

I’ve also heard “fleedom fighters” and “freedom flighters”, plus the Wis-dem (gag) and the FIB 14 (FIB: an epitath used in WI and MI to descripe Illinois Tourists. F***ing Illinois B**tards…nice eh? Having lived in Flint,Mi, Chicago and now WI gives me a unique perspective on rust belt politics).

Daisy_WI on March 2, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Fleebagger,Fleebagger,Fleebagger.
Yes we can call them something else, but “worthless, shameful, irresponsible puppets of communist union scum” just doesn’t roll off the tongue.

hml65 on March 2, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Good one!

50sGuy on March 2, 2011 at 10:34 AM

about dang time

Way to go Rnc

cmsinaz on March 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Why don’t you call Nanzi and ask her if she has any suggestions?

GrannyDee on March 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

I’m sure you’ve been as vocal about all the Hitler and dictator signs used by the protesters, right?

And isn’t a “childish” term the best way to describe the childish behavior exhibited by the runaway Senate Dems?

Religious_Zealot on March 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Isn’t the same thing you said yesterday?

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Forgot to get today’s talking points and is recycling yesterday’s.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Democrats described Walker’s proposal in apocalyptic terms, with Rep. Tamara Grigsby (D-Milwaukee) calling it an “absolute annihilation” of public education.

That’s funny … Walker’s proposal keeps the teachers jobs in place. Under the democrats they lose jobs.

Who is actually “annihilating education”?

darwin on March 2, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?
Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

–House Republicans’ unanimous vote against the stimulus package “helped to create the tea-baggers and empowered that whole wing of the Republican Party to where it now controls the agenda for the Republicans.”–

-PBHO

Bishop on March 2, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Democrats:

Fire the teachers, we don’t care … but please don’t take away the unions money stream. For the love of God man, we get some of that money too! Plus how do you expect the union bosses to keep up their extravangant lifestyles and salaries if we give people the choice whether to join a union or not?

darwin on March 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

I think it is a very descriptive term for the Democrats that went AWOL from their job. It has no crass sexual connotation, it merely suggests that they made to flee with their bags. A childish term might be “‘fraidy ‘crat.”A knee-jerk term might be “bone-idle and work-shy.”
And I think fleebagger is pretty clever. It’s what is known as a play on words. If ya don’t like having the opposition turn your disgusting, insulting, derogatory terms for them around to describe your sides’ illogical, illegal behaviors, maybe you should re-think YOUR terms crybaby.

2L8 on March 2, 2011 at 10:44 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

That’s funny coming from you. The things that can rightfully said about you would get a decent person banned here. I still have the emails you sent concerning my underage daughter to back it up.

cozmo on March 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM

Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

I prefer :The Flee Party” but your righteous indignation is adorable.

Fallon on March 2, 2011 at 10:52 AM

cozmo on March 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM

The banhammer fell hard on PrezHussein last night. Maybe we can get a twofer and rid ourselves of this other tiresome troll.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Think of the benefits PEU members could enjoy if they held on to the money that gets funneled into campaigns for Democrats.

I’m glad that they took a bath in 2010. Talk about flushing money down the toilet.

BuckeyeSam on March 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM

ratbastardcommieasswipes

Works for me.

CantCureStupid on March 2, 2011 at 11:02 AM

The fleebaggers don’t care what you call them, but care only that they are able to sup from the union’s trough.

either orr on March 2, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Wake up. Ed addressed this days ago. He even ran a poll.

Is it really necessary to “re-litigate these battles from the past”?

BuckeyeSam on March 2, 2011 at 11:03 AM

BuckeyeSam on March 2, 2011 at 11:03 AM

I think it’s funny. The troll has nothing else to say. LOL!

ladyingray on March 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Make sure that no Tea Parties read that or they may decide to get really violent.
Bishop on March 2, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Silly Bishop. Don’t you remember? A Teabagger doesn’t need to actually bear such remarks. They telepathically pick them up and begin violently raging.

Vyce on March 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?
Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Your “concern” is noted.

Vyce on March 2, 2011 at 11:07 AM

It’s quite likely that this ends with one democratic in a very safe district being pushed by the other democratics to end the standoff, so the remaining thirteen have deniability and perhaps the fourteenth can survive reelection.

This is based on my belief that they put their jobs over their ties to the greedy unions.

slickwillie2001 on March 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Pathetic Liberal Parasites Consuming the People’s Incomes Flee to Illinois to Avoid Responsible Legislation—(aka Fleebaggers)

Rovin on March 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM

The banhammer fell hard on PrezHussein last night. Maybe we can get a twofer and rid ourselves of this other tiresome troll.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Doubtful,

This happened almost a year ago, some of it was on a thread, Allahpundit threatened me with banning for bringing it up. I forwarded the relevant information to him and nothing ever happened.

But Grow fins only starts things with a comment intended to change the subject away from its heroes then disappears, never to back up its statements.

cozmo on March 2, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Hey, how’s about something like this: Re-purposing the theme from Ghostbusters as UnionBusters!

♫ If there’s something strange in you neighborhood,
Who you gonna call? Unionbusters!
If there’s something weird and it don’t look good,
Who you gonna call? Unionbusters!

I ain’t afraid of no thug.
I ain’t afraid of no thug.

If you’re seeing things running through your door
Who you gonna call? Unionbusters!
A thuggish man sleeping on your floor,
Who you gonna call? Unionbusters!

I ain’t afraid of no thug.
I ain’t afraid of no thug.

Who you gonna call? Unionbusters!
If you’re all alone, pick up the phone and call Unionbusters!♫

(Thanks to Ray Parker Jr. for the Original)

Okay, so maybe it needs some work…

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM

It’s quite likely that this ends with one democratic in a very safe district being pushed by the other democratics to end the standoff, so the remaining thirteen have deniability and perhaps the fourteenth can survive reelection.

This is based on my belief that they put their jobs over their ties to the greedy unions.

slickwillie2001 on March 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM

I’ve been saying the same thing.

Right now what the “Fleebaggers” are looking for is political cover to return.

At this point my guess is that it’ll be the pregnant senator because she has a ready-made “excuse” for returning.

She’ll come back, the vote will be taken, she’ll vote ‘no’ for cover, and once it’s all over the rest will declare “victory” and come back home.

Religious_Zealot on March 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Fleabagger?
WisconsinRunners?
Absconders?

I still like FLEEBAGGERS.

antisocial on March 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Wonder if Cullen is going to get the “Glenn Grothman” treatment as he approaches the Capitol…

Badger91 on March 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

He’d better watch his back. Apostates are dealt with severely.

iurockhead on March 2, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Your tears are tasty. Stomp those little feet.

fossten on March 2, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Wisconsin state Senator Tim Cullen

First glance at the picture reminded me of Peter Gammons.

Please accept my apology Mr. Gammons.

rukiddingme on March 2, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger?

There are others. For example, dirtbagger, douchebagger, and gasbagger (among others).

Can’t you come up with anything original?
Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Do you prefer Democrat, liberal, or progressive?

rukiddingme on March 2, 2011 at 11:46 AM

IF he cracks, it is only out of naked self interest – if his constituents want it, and he wants to keep his job, he’ll bend.

TinMan13 on March 2, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Boy, they have really outdone themselves on this one.

Come back – traitors to all things liberal
Stay gone – cause 1000′s of layoffs and loss of refi opportunity.

Either way – look like immature knuckleheads.

jodetoad on March 2, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

LOL, this coming from the getalife who yesterday first used the term teabagger as a derogatory term in a post, then chided another poster as “childish” for later using the fleebagger term in the same HA thread.

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 2, 2011 at 12:42 PM

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 2, 2011 at 12:42 PM

The final transcript will read “Dropped”

BobMbx on March 2, 2011 at 1:23 PM

I think these Dem Sens know they were wrong but are afraid to back down at this point. If I try to put myself in their place, this is my conclusion. But……it takes a big person to eat crow. These do not seem to qualify on that level.

jeanie on March 2, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Hey,if somethings working, don’t mess with it. Y’all just hate it when your cruelties are turned back at you.

jeanie on March 2, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

I agree. Leeches or bloodsuckers is way more accurate.

Schadenfreude on March 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Deadline passed fleebagger. Pink slips in the mail and yours is coming too, I’ll wager.

dogsoldier on March 2, 2011 at 1:58 PM

They s/b called the Solidariats.

Schadenfreude on March 2, 2011 at 2:11 PM

but the RNC made its announcement of TV buys this morning:

I’m sorta, kinda likin’ this new RNC leadership’s choices on where they’re spending the $$$….May have to reconsider my “no more donations for them” policy.just sayin’…..

huskerdiva on March 2, 2011 at 2:14 PM

RNC = good solid B+

huskerdiva on March 2, 2011 at 2:15 PM

(Thanks to Ray Parker Jr. for the Original)

Okay, so maybe it needs some work…

Chip on March 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM

Oddly enough, you have to thank Huey Lewis and the News for the true original….Parker lost the lawsuit brought by them for stealing his music from “I want a new drug”. Just FYI.

runawayyyy on March 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Hey, where ya been douchebag. Haven’t seen your tag around in a while. They’ve only been calling them fleebaggers for a couple o’ weeks. Now you know how childish you lefties sound when you make up names. Suck it up Buttercup.

Big John on March 2, 2011 at 3:14 PM

The banhammer fell hard on PrezHussein last night. Maybe we can get a twofer and rid ourselves of this other tiresome troll.

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM

What thread? I’d love to read to the point where the BAM! occurs.

Big John on March 2, 2011 at 3:23 PM

The RNC? You mean the Republican National Committee? That RNC defending a conservative Republican against attacks from the left?

Now, I’ve seen it all.

angryed on March 2, 2011 at 4:05 PM

Fleebagger? Isn’t that as childish (and kneejerk reactive) as teabagger? Can’t you come up with anything original?

Grow Fins on March 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Pot. Kettle. Stones. Glass houses. Goose. Gander.

You get the idea….

angryed on March 2, 2011 at 4:06 PM

It always scares me when the RNC does something right.

Slowburn on March 3, 2011 at 7:13 AM