Quotes of the day

posted at 9:00 pm on February 27, 2011 by Allahpundit

“If unions fail to stop the GOP assault, Republican victories would represent a major chink in the Democratic armor. A loss of some collective-bargaining rights means a speedier decline in membership. In turn, that means fewer dues-paying members to fund political activities in 2012 and beyond.

“But Republicans don’t even need to win every legislative battle to sap union resources. The battles themselves can suck up money that might otherwise go to turnout operations for Democratic candidates. The money spent on the public relations battle in Wisconsin alone, on the union side, is likely in the millions of dollars. That similar legislation is cropping up in Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, and elsewhere—even though the campaigns will be far less cost-consuming—will only add to the tab…

“But Walker and other Republicans might have figured out the way to level the playing field: Instead of bolstering their own field operations, wins by anti-union forces could signal serious, and lasting, setbacks for the Democratic Party.

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“But there is something deeper here than just favor-selling and vote-buying. There is something that almost amounts to a twisted idealism in the Democrats’ crusade. They are fighting, not just to preserve their special privileges, but to preserve a social ideal. Or rather, they are fighting to maintain the illusion that their ideal system is benevolent and sustainable…

“The current crisis exposes more than just the financial unsustainability of these programs. It exposes their moral unsustainability. It exposes the fact that the generosity of these welfare-state enclaves can only be sustained by forcing everyone else to perform forced labor to pay for the benefits of a privileged few.

“This is why the left is treating any attempt to fundamentally reform the public workers’ paradise as an existential crisis. This is why they are reacting with the most extreme measures short of outright insurrection. When Democratic lawmakers flee the state in order to deprive their legislatures of the quorum necessary to vote, they are declaring that they would rather have no legislature than allow voting on any bill that would break the power of the unions.”

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“The head of one of the nation’s most powerful labor unions did not condemn the violent rhetoric in placards and signs held by union supporters demonstrating in Wisconsin despite two direct attempts Sunday to get him on the record declaring them inappropriate…

“Appearing Sunday on NBC’s ‘Meet the Press,’ AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka was twice asked whether he found the tone at the nearly two-week long demonstrations ‘wrong’ or ‘inappropriate.’

Trumka did not answer, instead saying, ‘We should be sitting down trying to create jobs. … In Wisconsin, a vast majority of the people think this governor has overreached. His popularity has gone down. They’re saying to him, sit down and negotiate; don’t do what you’ve been doing. So he’s losing.’”

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Via Johnny Dollar.

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Via the Blaze.

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Via Secular Stupidest.


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I’m starting to think that “fiscal conservative” is code for conservative without a backbone.
MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 1:21 AM

That’s a bullseye. +10000.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 1:33 AM

I’m starting to think that “fiscal conservative” is code for conservative without a backbone.

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 1:21 AM

Does the word ‘priorities’ mean anything to you?

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 1:34 AM

Shortly after the shootings took place, the Urban Institute conducted a national study that concluded the Kent State shootings was the single factor causing the only nationwide student strike in history – over 4 million students protested and over 900 American colleges and universities closed during the student strikes.

There was wide discussion in some ranges of the press as to whether these were legal shootings of American citizens or not, and whether the protests were legal or not. These debates served to further galvanize uncommitted opinion by the terms of the discourse. The term “massacre” was applied to the shootings by some individuals and media sources, as it had been used for the Boston Massacre of 1770, in which five were killed and several more wounded.

The shootings led to protests on college campuses throughout the United States, causing hundreds of campuses to close because of both violent and non-violent demonstrations. The Kent State campus remained closed for six weeks. Just five days after the shootings, 100,000 people demonstrated in Washington, D.C. against the war.

In September 1970, twenty four students and one faculty member were indicted on charges connected with the May 4 demonstration or the ROTC building fire three days before. The individuals, who had been identified from photographs, became known as the “Kent 25.” Five cases, all related to the burning of the ROTC building, went to trial; one non student defendant was convicted on one charge and two other non students pleaded guilty. One other defendant was acquitted, and charges were dismissed against the last. In December 1971, all charges against the remaining twenty were dismissed for lack of evidence.[4][5]

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Kent_State_shootings_-_Aftermath_and_long-term_effects/id/5205922

I submit to you that the left is trying to recreate Kent State. It galvanized the anti-war movement. They want something similar to galvanize this pro-union movement. They know their support is waning and they need a gamechanger, a crisis–like Kent State–as a means to turn support their way ahead of 2012. The only way to do that is to sacrifice some of their people on the altar of liberalism. That way, they think, their cause would spread, like it did in the Vietnam era.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:35 AM

BTW, see you guys are sharing your fancy youtube videos…

… I’ll give you this pro-unionista …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2hgu_2NWpo

clearly she’s denouncing the death panels…

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 1:35 AM

I submit to you that the left is trying to recreate Kent State. It galvanized the anti-war movement.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Really? I’ve heard conservatives argue that it did the opposite – it poured ice water on the movement because we made it loud and clear to those stinking hippies that it was unwise to throw things at men with guns.

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 1:37 AM

Mitch wears weakness on his face like a picture of Dorian Grey.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 1:08 AM

The RINOs call that being “serious” and “statesman like”. I call it smoking too much weed when young…his police record even confirms my theory….

unseen on February 28, 2011 at 1:14 AM

Well, not to be to unkind to Mitch, but I really think he looks like a wet noodle. And it turns out he acts like one too.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 1:37 AM

Does the word ‘priorities’ mean anything to you?

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 1:34 AM

Yep. It does. So what are the priorities of the alleged fiscal conservative?

A small government, capitalist approach … or a Mitt Romney “fiscal conservative” approach which is basically state corporatism?

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 1:40 AM

That’s a bullseye. +10000.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 1:33 AM

I don’t even know what the definition of a fiscal conservative is… is it anything like a conservative?

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 1:41 AM

I submit to you that the left is trying to recreate Kent State. It galvanized the anti-war movement. They want something similar to galvanize this pro-union movement. They know their support is waning and they need a gamechanger, a crisis–like Kent State–as a means to turn support their way ahead of 2012. The only way to do that is to sacrifice some of their people on the altar of liberalism. That way, they think, their cause would spread, like it did in the Vietnam era.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:35 AM

You’re a chessmaster, ted c.

The Left is looking for the opportunity to create a “Reichstag fire”, or will it be a “Nero setting Rome ablaze and blaming the Christians” moment? If only Katie Couric, or maybe Bill O’Reilly would ask barry for us, would the RINOs among us believe that this is for all the marbles, and appeasers will not be left standing, either?
Nah.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 1:45 AM

Really? I’ve heard conservatives argue that it did the opposite – it poured ice water on the movement because we made it loud and clear to those stinking hippies that it was unwise to throw things at men with guns.

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 1:37 AM

you might be right. But within 5 days of the incident 100K people marched on DC. It’d take a lot of ice water to douse that. I don’t think it’d sway popular opinion toward their cause, however, it’d mobilize students in a larger area (their intent) into organizing around this dying union utopia thing. my 2c

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:46 AM

Yep. It does. So what are the priorities of the alleged fiscal conservative?

A small government, capitalist approach … or a Mitt Romney “fiscal conservative” approach which is basically state corporatism?

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 1:40 AM

At the heart of most FisCons is the idea (in some form) that if we are all broke and unemployed, the social battles are lost by default. Therefore, financial problems should have priority when both they and social problems are present…especially when the economy is a near-ruin and we’re in debt to the tune of trillions.

A hardcore FisCon could probably explain the specifics better than me, but that’s the general idea. There’s also a LOT of overlap between social & fiscal issues. An easy example is taxpayer funding of PP.

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 1:52 AM

the only difference between Kent State and now is that we have a democratic president. he is in a lose-lose IMO if there is widespread chaos resulting from a campus incident/capitol incident. Then again, he thinks he wins by losing–just look at his football picks.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:52 AM

you might be right. But within 5 days of the incident 100K people marched on DC. It’d take a lot of ice water to douse that. I don’t think it’d sway popular opinion toward their cause, however, it’d mobilize students in a larger area (their intent) into organizing around this dying union utopia thing. my 2c

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:46 AM

You have a very valid point; martyrs generally attract a lot of sympthy and they played the ones at Kent for all they were worth.

What I think is that after the initial rage wore off, there was a ‘chilling effect’ that lasted much longer. Young libtards would have a much better reason to keep their protests orderly, now that the law had shown a willingness to use lethal force if they got out of line.

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 1:54 AM

At the heart of most FisCons is the idea (in some form) that if we are all broke and unemployed, the social battles are lost by default. Therefore, financial problems should have priority when both they and social problems are present…especially when the economy is a near-ruin and we’re in debt to the tune of trillions.

A hardcore FisCon could probably explain the specifics better than me, but that’s the general idea. There’s also a LOT of overlap between social & fiscal issues. An easy example is taxpayer funding of PP.

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 1:52 AM

I get that and I get that many self-identified fiscal conservatives hold a great deal of conservative beliefs, BUT I have yet to hear a good philosophical argument from a fiscal conservative that doesn’t embrace the conservative label.

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 1:57 AM

Young libtards would have a much better reason to keep their protests orderly, now that the law had shown a willingness to use lethal force if they got out of line.

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 1:54 AM

that’s probably true on a couple levels. The primary one being, since union membership is at a much lower level now than previously, that few college idiots are going to be compelled to burn the ROTC office nor confront the NG/police for some dumbass’ union.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:58 AM

I don’t even know what the definition of a fiscal conservative is… is it anything like a conservative?

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 1:41 AM

Well, you could compact “conservative without a backbone” into “invertebrate” and I think you’d be one and done. It seems to me that most fiscal “conservatives” I have heard, won’t defend, let alone go on the offense, when it comes to unborn babies, the homosexual agenda and things like that. Coincidentally, these are the things that the Left is absolutely, rabidly, on the offense for.

The Left has once again, used their “coolness powers” to make some “conservatives” feel shame if they don’t actually agree with the Leftists on these very destructive foundational Leftist commandments. If one reads the communist manifesto, before a society can be broken fiscally, it first must be broken morally. The communists promoted abortion and all manner of sexual license along with rampant alcohol abuse and family dissolution through forcing both parents to work while “educating” their young, many decades before they brought it to America.

If a society is to repair itself fiscally, it must be repaired morally. After all, the fiscal problem is really a moral problem. It’s called theft.

But you know all this, Meat. I’m just spouting off, I guess.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 1:59 AM

Oh, man… listening to Mitch Daniels on Fox… why is he so loved in some circles?

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 2:03 AM

If a society is to repair itself fiscally, it must be repaired morally. After all, the fiscal problem is really a moral problem. It’s called theft.

But you know all this, Meat. I’m just spouting off, I guess.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 1:59 AM

++!

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 2:04 AM

that’s probably true on a couple levels. The primary one being, since union membership is at a much lower level now than previously, that few college idiots are going to be compelled to burn the ROTC office nor confront the NG/police for some dumbass’ union.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:58 AM

Yep. So far all the talk about ‘getting bloody’ and the like has amounted to little more than a couple incidents of public a$$holery – nothing burned yet. PTL for small mercies, huh?

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 2:04 AM

the only difference between Kent State and now is that we have a democratic president. he is in a lose-lose IMO if there is widespread chaos resulting from a campus incident/capitol incident. Then again, he thinks he wins by losing–just look at his football picks.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:52 AM

Not if he can blame the incident on conservatives. And he will, just as Sarah Palin was to blame in Tuscon.

I don’t think obama’s calculus operates in any other way but to carry out his masters’ orders. He has broken the law/overreached his authority innumerable times and has achieved stellar success in doing so. The past two years are littered with obama’s hideous victories, gained by unconstitutional/criminal means. imo, this is only going to intensify, and rapidly. obama is above the law. With all that phrase implies and all that history reveals.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:06 AM

Yep. So far all the talk about ‘getting bloody’ and the like has amounted to little more than a couple incidents of public a$$holery – nothing burned yet. PTL for small mercies, huh?

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 2:04 AM

heh. Yeah, for that jackholes call to ‘get bloody’ this has been awfully peaceful, hasn’t it?? A shame…/

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM

obama thinks that he is above the law. With all that phrase implies and all that history reveals.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:06 AM

I take comfort in knowing that the law catches up to a man. Look at OJ Simpson. It took years, but it caught up to him.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 2:10 AM

heh. Yeah, for that jackholes call to ‘get bloody’ this has been awfully peaceful, hasn’t it?? A shame…/

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM

Wasn’t there a post or three upthread talking about a conservative being attacked by a union goon and the police refusing to intervene to help the conservative victim?

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:11 AM

Yep. So far all the talk about ‘getting bloody’ and the like has amounted to little more than a couple incidents of public a$$holery – nothing burned yet. PTL for small mercies, huh?

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 2:04 AM

What’s been disturbing for me is that there seems to be a lot of a$$holery going on. Shoving, threats, &c. If teapartiers had done this in 2x the amount of time, I think Big Sis would be investigating the entire Right Wing.

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 2:13 AM

Wasn’t there a post or three upthread talking about a conservative being attacked by a union goon and the police refusing to intervene to help the conservative victim?

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:11 AM

Yep. Watch the last vid.

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 2:13 AM

More on the “Kent State” angle. The last vid from Atlanta shows signs (like DNC sponsored) saying “STOP THE WAR (on workers)” which has the fingerprints of the Vietnam era antiwar movements all over it. The hippies back then are the professors and the organizers of today.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 2:23 AM

I take comfort in knowing that the law catches up to a man. Look at OJ Simpson. It took years, but it caught up to him.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 2:10 AM

I agree with you there.

But as it stands now, obama is above the law.

For his countless transgressions since January 20, 2009, not a glove has been laid upon him. And it is only making him bolder and stronger.

Look at the past two weeks. If W had put himself in contempt of court, twice, and declared that his DOJ would not enforce a federal law (DOMA), how loud and long would the Left howl for impeachment? Even Nixon gave up the tapes rather than be found in contempt for refusing to do so. And then he resigned anyway, because he had some amount of shame. Watergate was less than nothing compared to the breadth and scope of obama’s lawlessness. And yet, the gop remains silent. Silent as the grave.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:24 AM

Even FDR was against govt employee unions as he knew govt workers making more than private workers on the tax payers dime would cause people to hate govt and big govt proponent like him were against that as he wanted people to rely and depend on govt, not reject it. Now we have a govt at the Fed and State lvl which has promised more than it can pay and the bill is due.

Yakko77 on February 28, 2011 at 2:26 AM

http://gov.georgia.gov/00/gov/contact_us/0,2657,165937316_166563415,00.html

I emailed GOV Nathan Deal regarding that last video. I would encourage others to do the same.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 2:32 AM

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 1:13 AM

The schools are the biggest obstacle, in my view. There was a time when the indoctrination didn’t begin until college. Now, it starts as soon as they walk through the doors for kindergarten. We must take back the schools. That’s why Wisconsin is so important.

predator on February 28, 2011 at 1:19 AM

Well put, predator.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:33 AM

MeatHeadinCa,

do you mean the last video of the grouping in the headline?

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:34 AM

Now we have a govt at the Fed and State lvl which has promised more than it can pay and the bill is due.

Yakko77 on February 28, 2011 at 2:26 AM

moreover, they have a convenient scapegoat in GOV walker who they’ll beatdown because they can’t keep up with their utopian promises.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 2:35 AM

MeatHeadinCa,

do you mean the last video of the grouping in the headline?

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:34 AM

I think so. Isn’t that the one where the police officer refused to help press charges?

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 2:36 AM

If we didn’t have public sector unions then we wouldn’t have public employees taking sides and ignoring the law. It seems to me that the gentleman in Georgia has a legitimate claim to be made against that officer as well as his attacker.

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2011 at 2:42 AM

Walker needs some good advice as to how the Left thinks/operates and most importantly, escalates and how to vanquish them. I hope someone finds a way to advise him, and quickly.
tigerlily on February 27, 2011 at 11:58 PM

I’m afraid, in my experience, this never happens. Or only happens rarely and never in the public realm. An understanding requires responsibility and change — and confers shame. Next to impossible to envision. Those who do not understand — and have participated in the failure to understand and its consequences — actually have a vested interest in sustaining their misunderstanding. Recognition is personally perilous.

The only hope is a new type and class of leader. My guess is that Walker is not one of these. I see a tragic-pathetic denoument here from him, a “deal” — something to avert the crisis. This is the prized achievement of the classic “virtuous” Republican politican. But in our time, it is defeat. Crisis is our only hope, the country’s only hope. Palin, maybe Cain, a few others, understand. Thus they are seen as dangerous and reckless — by both sides of this established dynamic.

rrpjr on February 28, 2011 at 2:42 AM

I think so. Isn’t that the one where the police officer refused to help press charges?

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 2:36 AM

the police officer held back the victim and his friends so the perp could hit the trail. It’s all on video. Email Nathan Deal, the governor of GA. Find that cop and send his a$$ out to the soup line or to get another union job making twist ties or something.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 2:43 AM

Crush the unions.

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 2:44 AM

MeatHeadinCa,

do you mean the last video of the grouping in the headline?

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:34 AM

I think so. Isn’t that the one where the police officer refused to help press charges?

MeatHeadinCA on February 28, 2011 at 2:36 AM

It may be. It’s 8 minutes long and to be honest with you, I get a little nauseous when I have to watch these people. They remind me of a group of Leftists who combined with ACTUP and Queer Nation members who used to show up at an abortion mill where I sidewalk counseled.

They would get in our faces, spit on us, throw themselves on the ground in front of us and then tell the police we pushed them down, shove us off the sidewalk and into the street, literally pull abortion bound mothers who were speaking to us away and into the abortion mill and say some of the most evil, obscene and blasphemous things I have ever heard and could never have imagined. They would especially love saying these things if a priest was present.

These Wisconsin thugs are the same people. Enemies of the good. Lovers of darkness.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:45 AM

Going back to bed for an hour.

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 2:47 AM

The only hope is a new type and class of leader. My guess is that Walker is not one of these. I see a tragic-pathetic denoument here from him, a “deal” — something to avert the crisis. This is the prized achievement of the classic “virtuous” Republican politican. But in our time, it is defeat. Crisis is our only hope, the country’s only hope. Palin, maybe Cain, a few others, understand. Thus they are seen as dangerous and reckless — by both sides of this established dynamic.

rrpjr on February 28, 2011 at 2:42 AM

And as we all well know, the longer the crisis is “averted” through gop backpedaling, the stronger the beast becomes.

I read a heartbreaking quote from Alexander Solzhenitsyn the other day, in which he said that during Stalin’s purges, when the communist goons came to arrest everyone, instead of sitting in their apartments, in frozen terror, waiting for the knock on the door and the trip to the gulag, the people should have gathered together and simply overtaken the communists as they entered their apartment blocks.

Then Solzhenitsyn said something that I didn’t expect and it shocked me. He said that because they allowed the communists to take them away and destroy them, that they deserved everything that happened to them because of their allowance.

How can one question the hard truth this man tells; a man who has suffered so much at the hands of such evil men?

Are we doomed to repeat their mistakes, do we understand that the same kind of evil men are stalking our land; are sitting in the highest places of power?

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:59 AM

Going back to bed for an hour.

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 2:47 AM

Sweet dreams, OC.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 3:00 AM

I for one, think the R’s in WI have to be so pissed off by now that they won’t cave. I don’t think Walker will cave. The people who are throwing their temper tantrums look ridiculous to everyone else.

Patience people. Let’s get through this and CRUSH them at the polls so we can really put in new laws that will reverse this progressive curse on our nation.

karenhasfreedom on February 28, 2011 at 3:21 AM

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 3:00 AM

Waste of time. I just tossed and turned,

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 3:56 AM

Kansas Republicans accused organized labor activists Thursday of forcing female legislators to endure sexually explicit and degrading comments while passing into the House chamber before a vote to end automatic deductions from paychecks for union political causes.

Democrats and a representative of the Kansas AFL-CIO disputed the GOP claims, and both sides pointed to video evidence to support their interpretation of events.

House Speaker Mike O’Neal, R-Hutchinson, said the vocal crowd crossed the line by engaging in salty commentary outside of the House chamber and by shouting inside the chamber when the paycheck bill came to a vote.

“There were comments of sexually explicit nature directed at both female legislators and female staff,” O’Neal said. “That’s the most disrespectful display from the gallery I’ve seen in 27 years I’ve been here.”
http://cjonline.com/news/state/2011-02-24/unions-members-protest-house

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 3:56 AM

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 3:56 AM

Wow.

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 3:58 AM

karenhasfreedom on February 28, 2011 at 3:21 AM

I sure hope so. If ACORN isn’t around to fcuk things up.

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 4:00 AM

fiscal con? Social con?

I’m a right winger who’s down with gay marriage and totally want the queer gays in the military if they make the cut. Does that make me a FisCon? Either way it sucks to be hated by both sides.

And I’m smart enough to know Ron Paul is a nut. Us guys are like stray cats. Fun to watch from a window, but no one lets us inside… ;)

Ampersand on February 28, 2011 at 4:24 AM

Do Wisconsin and Indiana state employees take any kind of an oath to perform their duties to the best of their abilities and so forth as Federal employees do?

They are clearly breaking such an oath with their activities.
{^_^}

herself on February 28, 2011 at 5:16 AM

Democrats, when they aren’t subverting the Constitution, why not make a mockery of the whole system.

Communism, it’s what Democrats want, but shall not have.

Do what Reagan did — Fire them all …

tarpon on February 28, 2011 at 5:26 AM

Do what Reagan did — Fire them all …

tarpon on February 28, 2011 at 5:26 AM

Good plan.
Bust the unions.

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 6:03 AM

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 6:03 AM

mornin OC…

cmsinaz on February 28, 2011 at 6:21 AM

it tooked forever for mika to finally admit the hypocrisy of being ok with the wi dems leaving the building vs the outrage the left had with the senate gop actually correctly using senate procedures to try to block obamacare….

cmsinaz on February 28, 2011 at 6:24 AM

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Dark-Star on February 28, 2011 at 1:37 AM

May I inquire if either of you actually lived through the Kent State event?
I was stationed in Europe at the time of the shooting, scheduled to return stateside soon. I always found the difference in the way events happening in the U.S. were reported by the media in other nations interesting. Media outlets in foreign countries may have been far left, but most of them made an honest effort to REPORT the news as opposed to American media, which vomited the Leftist propaganda so predictably. It was an eye-opener, even for, and a clue to a major problem in this country: infiltration of the media by anti-American elements.

And totally off topic, has anyone else seen a report that Tyson Foods will be eliminating the Labor Day holiday in September and replace it with a Muslim Ramadan holiday?

oldleprechaun on February 28, 2011 at 6:52 AM

I think Walker is is trying to us the Gandhi method. Trick your enemies into revealing themselves as swine, and let the moral people get tired of what they see being done in their name.

It is important that the violence all be done by the union thugs. Justice can come later.

Slowburn on February 28, 2011 at 7:03 AM

It was an eye-opener, even for, and a clue to a major problem in this country: infiltration of the media by anti-American elements.

oldleprechaun on February 28, 2011 at 6:52 AM

The KGB used bribery, blackmail, and extortion to turn the editors to the left. If an editor proved to be resistant to those methods they would find way to eliminate the said editor. Murder was always effective.

Slowburn on February 28, 2011 at 7:12 AM

cmsinaz on February 28, 2011 at 6:21 AM

Morning darlin’
I saw Huck & the Judge discussing that Walker is only going after the teachers union, and not the fire & police unions.

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 7:13 AM

“In Wisconsin, a vast majority of the people think this governor has overreached. His popularity has gone down. They’re saying to him, sit down and negotiate; don’t do what you’ve been doing. So he’s losing.’”

Trumka accuses Walker of overreaching.

I accuse Trumka of overestimating. A snapshot of rabble rousers in Madison, Wisconsin, do not “a vast majority of teh people” make.

BuckeyeSam on February 28, 2011 at 7:38 AM

oldleprechaun on February 28, 2011 at 6:52 AM

No, I didn’t, I was pretty young. However, considering the current tactics of the left–the lying, attacking, slandering, prodding, punching, shoving it appears they are purposefully provocative. Look how they foamed at the mouth over the Giffords incident trying to tie it unsuccesffully to the right. Then, look who’s ringleading this WI stuff–they’re HIPPIES, a few years older. Also, the “STOP THE WAR (on unions)” signs we see around (see vid 3) links the events, tactics then to the circumstances now. Kent State left 5 dead and, IMO, if there were 5 dead leftists somewhere, they’d be immediately lionized as martyrs for the cause, and it’s spread like a “Prairie Fire”, the title of one of Bill Ayers’ books.

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 7:43 AM

Then Solzhenitsyn said something that I didn’t expect and it shocked me. He said that because they allowed the communists to take them away and destroy them, that they deserved everything that happened to them because of their allowance.

tigerlily on February 28, 2011 at 2:59 AM

The invocation of Solzhenitsyn is a good one. I remember when he gave his address at Harvard University years ago. I remember how many didn’t want him to be there — no matter his experiences and sufferings.

It is always the same — how the elements of tyranny assume opportunistic forms in a society according to what is possible at any given moment, and how they attempt to incapacitate liberty and resistance. What we’re seeing in Wisconsin, and across the Leftist landscape, is so true to form, so predictable. How can it can be missed?

The modern Republican has forgotten or disavowed these analogies and possibilities from his consciousness. I doubt that Walker has conversations with his aides or even contemplations with himself about what all this means. Am I wrong? Does he know what he is up against? Is he willing or able to represent us at the level of risk and commitment the moment requires?

rrpjr on February 28, 2011 at 7:45 AM

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 7:13 AM

ruh roh…is the right going to turn against him now?

cmsinaz on February 28, 2011 at 7:51 AM

Good vs. Evil.

pugwriter on February 28, 2011 at 7:56 AM

Fox & Friends just had a very good segment featuring a WI mother who was highlighting 2009 WI legislation REQUIRING a lesson plan extolling the virtues of organized labor be taught in WI school districts. If I understood her correctly, there’s a 47-page resource for this purpose. Talk about brainwashing, this is bizarre.

OT: One thing that must drive the NYC/DC elites covering the WI story crazy are the upper-Midwestern-nasal accents all the Wisconsinites have. They all sound like Michelle Bachman. I love it.

BuckeyeSam on February 28, 2011 at 7:56 AM

They all sound like Michelle Bachman. I love it.

BuckeyeSam on February 28, 2011 at 7:56 AM

heh :)

cmsinaz on February 28, 2011 at 8:05 AM

Governor Walker doesn’t need any special research or brainiac strategy. He needs to stand firm. As long as he doesn’t waiver the union thugs will shift from failed tactic to failed tactic. Eventually, the constant shift in Democratic/union strategy towards more and more radical approaches shall become clear and irritating to the public.

Governor Walker’s job here is conceptually childlike in its simplicity, but takes Paul Bunyan’s nads to stick to.

I think (and pray) that Walker has the sack to do it.

pugwriter on February 28, 2011 at 8:09 AM

I notice that the Oath Keepers organization has been quite silent with regards to the cops turning a blind eye to the violence doled out by the union thugs.

mizflame98 on February 28, 2011 at 8:09 AM

BuckeyeSam on February 28, 2011 at 7:56 AM

Many of my Lutheran pastors had the same accent over the years. WI is a stronghold of Lutheranism and being a Packers fan seems to be a prerequisite for the pastors.

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 8:10 AM

” A loss of some collective-bargaining rights means a speedier decline in membership. In turn, that means fewer dues-paying members to fund political activities in 2012 and beyond.”

Amazing. There seems to be NO debating the above statement. The PSU employees are in arms to protect something that they claim is so incredibly valuable to them and at the same time everyone agrees that unless they are forced to join, a debilitating number will choose not to.

Spider79 on February 28, 2011 at 8:11 AM

Many of my Lutheran pastors had the same accent over the years. WI is a stronghold of Lutheranism and being a Packers fan seems to be a prerequisite for the pastors.

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2011 at 8:10 AM

I grew up attending a Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod K-8 school from, say, the mid-1960s through the mid-1970s. If I recall, it was the largest such school and congregation in that area. And although our head pastor didn’t have the accent (instead, a hint of a German accent), he was a big Packers fan. Thanks for that memory. But for abandoning their responsibility as educators to thoroughly ground the students in punctuation, grammar, usage, and English composition, that K-8 school was a great educational experience.

BuckeyeSam on February 28, 2011 at 8:31 AM

jobs. … In Wisconsin, a vast majority of the people think this governor has overreached. His popularity has gone down. They’re saying to him, sit down and negotiate; don’t do what you’ve been doing. So he’s losing

I don’t think so. Looks to me as if he’s winning. Trumka probably knows this but cannot say so publicly. I’ve been looking at many photos of this protest. My lightweight conclusion: WI must have some of the homliest teachers in the nation. LOL

jeanie on February 28, 2011 at 8:56 AM

“In Wisconsin, a vast majority of the people think this governor has overreached. His popularity has gone down. They’re saying to him, sit down and negotiate; don’t do what you’ve been doing. So he’s losing.’”

Trumka accuses Walker of overreaching.

I accuse Trumka of overestimating. A snapshot of rabble rousers in Madison, Wisconsin, do not “a vast majority of teh people” make.

BuckeyeSam on February 28, 2011 at 7:38 AM

The views of the people during this are unimportant. A large majority of the independents will decide that the winners were the side of right, and most of the rest will side with their party.

Slowburn on February 28, 2011 at 9:07 AM

ted c on February 28, 2011 at 1:35 AM

I’m still waiting for Neil young to write a song about Waco.

Akzed on February 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM

I don’t think so. Looks to me as if he’s winning. Trumka probably knows this but cannot say so publicly. I’ve been looking at many photos of this protest. My lightweight conclusion: WI must have some of the homliest teachers in the nation. LOL

jeanie on February 28, 2011 at 8:56 AM

only the liberal/progressives ones…..the ones who remained at school teaching are most likely quite attractive…LOL

huskerdiva on February 28, 2011 at 9:20 AM

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