Report: Obama asks for contingency planning on no-fly zone over Libya; Update: Qaddafi’s son hopes for truce

posted at 5:06 pm on February 25, 2011 by Allahpundit

Just a blurb on Twitter, but Jackson Diehl’s a longtime WaPo columnist with plenty of contacts, no doubt:

I hear Obama administration has asked for contingency planning on a no-fly zone for #Libya

Let’s hope so, because the White House’s new plan to impose sanctions is so palpably lame as to operate as an admission that they’re not planning to do anything to stop protesters from getting shot. Sanctions would be useful if, like Iran, Qaddafi still had a firm grasp on power; in that case, you’d want to punish him (and ideally weaken him) by starving the beast. We’re way, way past that point now. To see how bad things have become in Tripoli, click here for a video round-up of people bleeding in the streets. It’s impossible to tell for sure what’s happening, but my impression from various news stories today is that Qaddafi’s shock troops are sporadically firing willy nilly into crowds. They’re starting to aggressively take hostages, too; in fact, a VP from NBC News said yesterday that the regime invited them to the capital to cover the story but that they were holding off in case Qaddafi wants to use reporters as human shields. All of which is to say that sanctions will achieve nothing at this point. It’s a symbolic gesture designed to provide moral cover for the U.S. and Europe, not to actually stop the shooting.

As for the no-fly zone, if they’re going to do it, it has to begin immediately. Rebels beat back an attempt by Qaddafi’s forces to retake the areas around Tripoli, and in Benghazi they’re vowing to march to the capital and take Qaddafi’s palace. The final standoff is coming, so if President Present wants to make a difference, he needs to give an order ASAP. Just one question: Has Qaddafi already lost control of his air assets? The Guardian claims that rebels have taken Mitiga air base near Tripoli, which means…

If Mitiga air base near Tripoli is confirmed as having gone over to the Libyan popular uprising it would be a serious blow for the regime close to the heart of the capital. The military base is adjacent to a civilian airport used for domestic and some short-haul international flights.

Mitiga has figured before at dramatic moments in Libyan history. It was a primary target of the US bombing in 1986 — retaliation for Libyan involvement in alleged terrorist attacks on US servicemen in Europe. Soviet personnel were based the during the cold war. Until shortly after Gaddafi’s 1969 revolution June 1970, the US air force used the facility, then known as Wheelus air base.

So even the no-fly zone may come too late, days after it might have prevented demonstrators from being strafed by Libyan jets.

To show you just how close we are to a decisive battle, here’s Qaddafi appearing this morning (allegedly) in Green Square in Tripoli to encourage his supporters to (a) dance and sing (yes, really), and (b) “get ready to fight for Libya, get ready to fight for dignity, get ready to fight for petroleum.” This is his Hitler-in-the-bunker moment and everyone realizes it, with Jay Carney starting to field questions explicitly asking about Qaddafi’s sanity. If Obama holds off and something catastrophic happens, he’ll never hear the end of it.

Update: No word on where Qaddafi is, but his son’s evidently holed up in fantasyland.

A son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi said on Friday that his forces were holding back in fighting with rebels in western Libya and hoped that a negotiated ceasefire could be in place by Saturday.

Speaking in English to foreign journalists flown to Tripoli under official escort, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said of fighting in two western cities: “In Misrata, in Zawiya, we have a problem.

“We are dealing with terrorists … The army decided not to attack the terrorists, and to give a chance to negotiation. Hopefully we will do it peacefully and will do so by tomorrow.”


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believe it when I see it…

mjbrooks3 on February 25, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Flashbacks of Georgia in 2008… Obama says little for days then takes up the stance that a Republican had made several days earlier.

The difference is that it’s Palin this time instead of McCain that he’s taking hints from.

teke184 on February 25, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Obama and Qadhafi are twisted sisters separated at birth.

maverick muse on February 25, 2011 at 5:10 PM

I’ve always been cautious about risking the spillage of American blood for Libya. One wonders how many Libyan supported the Pan Am bombing.

amerpundit on February 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM

It just hit me, too… This is a “barn door” moment because, as of this morning, the protesters have supposedly taken the Libyan air base, meaning no more Libyan jets doing bombing and strafing runs.

teke184 on February 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM

A no-fly zone would have made sense if we had an aircraft carrier in the Med. Which we don’t, for the first time in 30-some years.

President present isn’t even that.

Tennman on February 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Geez, who would get to take credit if the rebels reduce Mad Dog to a grease spot before Scooter can get his no fly zone ducks in a row. From most of the Twitter stuff I’ve seen, the Libyans are pretty proud of doing this themselves and it’s moving pretty fast.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Obama’s recent strategy sounds awful familiar. Like maybe I read it somewhere on FACEBOOK.

portlandon on February 25, 2011 at 5:12 PM

If only there had been someone offering that advice to Obama about 3-4 days ago.

NoNails on February 25, 2011 at 5:12 PM

a VP from NBC News said yesterday that the regime invited them to the capital to cover the story but that they were holding off in case Qaddafi wants to use reporters as human shields.

You’d better believe that Qadhafi would kidnap Western hostages, particularly Americans. The problem is that the rioting Muslims would gladly murder the hostages, especially if they’re Americans in Qadhafi’s company, willingly or not. He’s convinced of his bff relationship with Barakeh; but always expressed concern that under pressure, the Muslim Obama might behave more white than white.

maverick muse on February 25, 2011 at 5:13 PM

President present isn’t even that.

Tennman on February 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Indeed.

amerpundit on February 25, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Uhhhhhhhhh, didn’t Sarah P. demand ‘No Fly Zones’ be established over Libya three daYS AGO??????????????????

alwyr on February 25, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Gee, this only took… how long? That’s quite a ‘follower’ we elected for ourselves.

Midas on February 25, 2011 at 5:13 PM

The time when the U.S. could get some credit for helping the rebels who are going to win regardless, is pretty close to over. At this point it will just look like a pathetic ‘me to’ moment.

sharrukin on February 25, 2011 at 5:14 PM

So even the no-fly zone may come too late, days after it might have prevented demonstrators from being strafed by Libyan jets.

Um, if he had listened to Madame POTUS 3 days ago, we wouldn’t be in this pickle. Pres Palin leads, Obama the stooge follows..

Why no mention of that in the post AP?

davek70 on February 25, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Wow, so after Obama finished his party last night with all of those celebrities, I guess he had time to checkout Sarah Palin’s facebook post from last week. Geesh.

karenhasfreedom on February 25, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Not sure I can still back Sarah…now that she’s a policy adviser to Obama.

Rational Thought on February 25, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Well, I don’t think the Libyan people are particularly”fond” of Americans.We like the Jooos you see. This is not going to end well.

sandee on February 25, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Qaddafi’s son hopes for truce

Translation: “Someone put me on a plane to Venezuela, STAT!”

teke184 on February 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Not sure I can still back Sarah…now that she’s a policy adviser to Obama.

Rational Thought on February 25, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Not much different than Huntsman. Is that a paid position?

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Or, possibly Obama was so busying partying last night, he missed that 3 AM phone call, and it went UNANSWERED!!!

karenhasfreedom on February 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Truce, shmuce.

Ward Cleaver on February 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Soros made the call….

HornetSting on February 25, 2011 at 5:19 PM

This reminds me of an old movie, Dragon slayer. After the Hero slays the dragon the King comes ,gets out of his coach, steps over the remains of said Dragon, puts his sword in it, and takes credit for slaying the dragon. “Barack Obama, Dragon slayer “

sandee on February 25, 2011 at 5:20 PM

No word on where Qaddafi is, but his son’s evidently holed up in fantasyland.

Snorted pepsi up my nose.
thanks for that.
:)

mjk on February 25, 2011 at 5:20 PM

ROTFL!

Hey, look everyone! If you open the Webster’s dictionary to “schadenfreude” there’s a new picture of Sarah Palin – looking at HA on her blackberry along side the Iron Dog route – next to the definition!

This is why I call Mrs. Palin “President of the United States in Exile”.

turfmann on February 25, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Oh, no!

NoNails on February 25, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Allahpundit.

I thought you said that a no-fly zone was not needed in Libya?

Have conditions changed?

chief on February 25, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Question from a dummy- how are “rebels” taking anything? Are these peaceful unarmed protests or armed militia? How is it strategically possible for demonstrators to overtake the Libyan military?

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Question from a dummy- how are “rebels” taking anything? Are these peaceful unarmed protests or armed militia? How is it strategically possible for demonstrators to overtake the Libyan military?

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Stolen weapons, police and army deserters.

sharrukin on February 25, 2011 at 5:29 PM

…to encourage his supporters to (a) dance and sing (yes, really), and (b) “get ready to fight

I thought you were talking about the Throwdown for Motown lil’ shindig up at the White House last night….my bad..

ted c on February 25, 2011 at 5:30 PM

The EU and the US will do NOTHING.

The EU has excelled at it for years, as has The One.

GarandFan on February 25, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Allahpundit.

I thought you said that a no-fly zone was not needed in Libya?

Have conditions changed?

chief on February 25, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Yeah, just yesterday AP called the no-fly zone idea “dumb” and used Robert Fisk (of all people…) to justify this ridiculous assertion.

Of course, if Truce Daniels had come up with the idea, AP would’ve called it brilliant.

Norwegian on February 25, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Question from a dummy- how are “rebels” taking anything? Are these peaceful unarmed protests or armed militia? How is it strategically possible for demonstrators to overtake the Libyan military?

1. The Libyan military has flipped and is supporting the rebels.

2. They’re also looting military bases as they take them over, which is why they have the weapons to fight.

3. Daffy’s most loyal security force was only about 5000 in number before all this started and he’s assuredly lost many of them. He’s replacing the casualties with mercs from places like Chad and Nigeria, which likely aren’t high-quality soldiers.

teke184 on February 25, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Question from a dummy- how are “rebels” taking anything? Are these peaceful unarmed protests or armed militia? How is it strategically possible for demonstrators to overtake the Libyan military?

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 5:26 PM

1. All Libyan males have a minimum 6 month conscription service so they all are weapons familiar to some degree. Early on they were using hunting rifles.

2. The rebels have overrun several armories and taken all the weapons.

3. Portions of the military and police have gone over to the rebel side with their weapons.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Truce, is his son as insane as his father? Too much blood has been shed. The rebels want revenge. The mercenaries aren’t fools, they won’t die for a lost cause.

SC.Charlie on February 25, 2011 at 5:35 PM

I just wonder how many Libyans got killed in the time President Present would not do the no fly zone so as to not look like he was reacting to Sarah Palin’s admonition to do one…

CCRWM on February 25, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Thanks Norwegian.

That’s what I thought.

chief on February 25, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Like the fighter with no limbs in the Holy Grail: “ok, we’ll call it a draw.”

freemarketer on February 25, 2011 at 5:38 PM

I doubt he knows. The State Department was too busy getting the Barry Ferry ready to depart from Tripoli to keep track.

teke184 on February 25, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Why does Jonestown come to mind?

rbj on February 25, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Well, Mad Dog loves the world spotlight. Ironically, his last days and moments of life may be on that same great stage. Right now, the very worst thing he can do is use his biological and chemical WMD on his own people before they take him down.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 5:39 PM

So why does Obama even considering sticking our nose in the affairs of others is now a good thing?

rickyricardo on February 25, 2011 at 5:39 PM

We.don’t.belong.in.Libya.

Let the Chinese or the French deal with it.

rickyricardo on February 25, 2011 at 5:40 PM

He’s almost done with his waffle. Don’t rush him.

innominatus on February 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Right now, the very worst thing he can do is use his biological and chemical WMD on his own people before they take him down.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 5:39 PM

The protesters control so much of the country that I doubt they could access them without a major firefight to get there.

Even then, it would be hard for them to use them wide-spread if all the air bases have fallen, as reported earlier today.

teke184 on February 25, 2011 at 5:42 PM

We.don’t.belong.in.Libya.

Let the Chinese or the French deal with it.

rickyricardo on February 25, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Don’t forget the Brits. They own a big chunk of this mess for resuming business ties with Libya over the past few years.

teke184 on February 25, 2011 at 5:43 PM

We.don’t.belong.in.Libya.

Let the Chinese or the French deal with it.

rickyricardo on February 25, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Your King Obama is starting to become a …NEOCON!!11!!!

portlandon on February 25, 2011 at 5:43 PM

There is some evidence that Libya is no longer putting planes in the air because the pilots keep defecting. They can hire mercenary soldiers to shoot Libyans but they are going to have trouble finding mercenary pilots.

Obama will wait until it is a moot point, declare a “no fly zone” when there are no Libyan planes in the air and then try to tell people he has actually done something.

What a useless President we have!

crosspatch on February 25, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Qaddafi’s son hopes for truce

Where did Qaddafi Jr. make his statement? The journalists were in Tripoli…were they on a conference call with Jr. from a scholarship paid dormroom in North Texas?

HornetSting on February 25, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Palin surely was out in front on this, even ahead of the Europeans.

GaltBlvnAtty on February 25, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Just wait, Obama will soon be claiming he saved or created 6 million Libyans…or was that jobs in the US?

Wonder where that Lockerbie bomber terrorist guy is in Libya?

albill on February 25, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Joe Biden is requesting a “no camel zone”…

albill on February 25, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I just wish we had a CONSERVATIVE leader in the GOP that actually was fearless, said what they meant, understood American Greatness (that’s not just like another country among 190 of them) and fought FOR America. Not constantly led the nation in hand-wringing and repentance.
If only there was ONE, JUST ONE….that was unafraid and looking forward, someone that might be at least WILLING to make the tough choices and be willing to go to the American people (like Reagan) over the heads of the Ruling Class in D.C.
If we could find just someone…..that could fit that bill (someone that wasn’t scared to take on and DEFEAT the Wrecking Ball in the Oval office in November 2012).
alas…….
PappyD61 on February 22, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Alas?

What do you mean, alas?

Wake up, man!

She’s right in front of you!

She’s the one calling the shots, not the interloper!

You watch, 48 hours tops and that traitor will have some kind of mealy-mouthed statement on how much the Libyans this or that. Lemme tell you that any Kindergarten teacher worth her salt will say something with more gravity before the bell rings that Sweet Barry.

When are people going to get it through their heads that Obama is NOT just another Democrat in the White House. Truman was a Democrat in the White House, Kenndey was just another Democrat in the White House – hell, Clinton was just another Democrat!

Barack Obama is trying to DESTROY US with full malice aforethought! What do you think that budget is all about! That is like calling the fire department and having them show up and spraying gasoline on your house fire!

SARAH PALIN GETS IT!

That’s why she is the target of the vicious attacks she endures! Not because she’s stupid – she’s not, not because she’s a gold digger – Barry wrote books, too, not because she’s a quitter – she quit the Alaska Oil & Gas Commission, too (see how that turned out?)

She’s our leader, not Barry. If you have a problem with Sarah, go support your own candidate in the primary. And when you lose, we’ll be waiting for you with open arms to come together and throw the TRAITOR out of the White House.

Other than that I have no strong opinion on the subject.

turfmann on February 23, 2011 at 3:37 AM

Sarah isn’t hard to figure out. Neither is Barry.

turfmann on February 25, 2011 at 5:53 PM

According to a website,1913intel.com, the Libyan AF has been completely grounded anyway..As well as ,believe it or not, US and Europesan troops/intell agenys have already gotten to the Eastern areas and secured the oil fields. Any other news???

retiredeagle on February 25, 2011 at 5:54 PM

They can hire mercenary soldiers to shoot Libyans but they are going to have trouble finding mercenary pilots.

crosspatch on February 25, 2011 at 5:44 PM

They are going to have problems getting their airplanes back if they let mercenaries anywhere near them.

pedestrian on February 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM

sharrukin on February 25, 2011 at 5:29 PM
a capella on February 25, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Okay. Maybe. But that definitely absolves the peaceful demonstrators position. This would be an armed coup. Though I haven’t seen any video evidence of such, nor any reporting on it.

Another thing. I served six years on the USMC -in combat arms- and I can tell you that no rag-tag band of lightly armed civilians could overpower even a small unit of well armed and resupplied Marines. Certainly there seems to be no tactical direction being provided for or driving the demonstrators.

So if the reporting is factual, then it leads me to believe there’s some outside support in play. If so, who might that be?

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Soon Obama will be sending more money as part of
US State Department Spending 100s of Millions on Mosques in Middle East

albill on February 25, 2011 at 6:00 PM

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 5:57 PM

If it is true that all males serve 6 months in the Libyan Army, then the only difference between the protesters and the military is that the protesters have more experience and believe in their cause.

pedestrian on February 25, 2011 at 6:02 PM

I don’t know about this ME situation. The uprisings are all exhibiting some form of rabid Islam. The clips that AllahPundit linked to from the NYT had those rebels yelling, “Allahu Ackbar” (or however it is spelled) as they ran from the gunfire. Ultimately, they will trade one strongman (or crackpot) for another, but the object appears to be to also chase out all Western influences.

We are better off unleashing our own energy resources here and letting these people sit on their oil-rich sands because they don’t appear to know how to develop their own resources and trade like civilized people.

onlineanalyst on February 25, 2011 at 6:03 PM

I was hoping to include Libya in our NASA program of inclusion for their contributions to humanity in rock throwing.

portlandon on February 25, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Headlines you’ll never see at Hot Air:

Sarah Palin Wins On National Security, Mitt Romney Hurts On Social Issues

How sad is it that Time Magazine covers the leader of the FREE world better than Hot Air?

Anyone noticed HA hasn’t reported on that Gallup poll at all?

Let’s face it, Sarah is way ahead of the rest. She’s playing chess, they’re playing checkers.

gary4205 on February 25, 2011 at 6:11 PM

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 5:57 PM

I believe it is more rag-tag vs rag-tag. Aparently only the 3rd Brigade(might have the #wrong) resembles some form of Western military organization and training, and that was under the control of one of his sons. There was a report this morning that even that brigade has broken into two parts.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 6:15 PM

What a useless President we have!

crosspatch on February 25, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Needs repeating.

CantCureStupid on February 25, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Another thing. I served six years on the USMC -in combat arms- and I can tell you that no rag-tag band of lightly armed civilians could overpower even a small unit of well armed and resupplied Marines. Certainly there seems to be no tactical direction being provided for or driving the demonstrators.

So if the reporting is factual, then it leads me to believe there’s some outside support in play. If so, who might that be?

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 5:57 PM

From what I’ve read, the Libyan military was not trusted by Gaddafi and he refused to give them funds for repairs or even fuel for training. His personal force of about 5000, was well supplied and maintained, but certainly not even close to being as formidable as one of our Marine fighting units. Even though the Libyan army was cheated on support, I assume some of those defecting were officers with some sense of tactics. But, to compare a U. S. Marine unit to Gadaffii’s elite group would be a Zach Grienke vs T-ball hitter comparison. I’m sure there are some outside elements involved, but I’ve been monitering Al Jazeera, the Guardian, and BBC live blogs since this started, and haven’t gotten a sense that extremists are driving this, if that is what you mean.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Another thing. I served six years on the USMC -in combat arms- and I can tell you that no rag-tag band of lightly armed civilians could overpower even a small unit of well armed and resupplied Marines. Certainly there seems to be no tactical direction being provided for or driving the demonstrators.

Your training was far superior to that which the Libyan regulars received. In addition remove at least half your men from desertion, insert the worst officers you know and tell them to shoot their fellow Americans and then consider what would happen?

So if the reporting is factual, then it leads me to believe there’s some outside support in play. If so, who might that be?

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 5:57 PM

There probably are Muslim Brotherhood agitators and other groups in Libya who are acting in support of the rebels.

sharrukin on February 25, 2011 at 6:19 PM

I’ve been monitering Al Jazeera, the Guardian, and BBC live blogs since this started, and haven’t gotten a sense that extremists are driving this, if that is what you mean.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Ditto. My impression is Animal Farm with 7.62,

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

And I get where you’re all coming from on this. I think the only area where I might differ is on weaponry. Think of it this way- 10,000 demonstrators with rocks, Molotov cocktails and hunting rifles couldn’t take down two helicopter gunships.

Now, I am seeing more reported about mercenaries than actually military, but even so, the video seems to show unarmed demonstrators marching along the streets until an automatic weapon opens fire and they hastily retreat. This isn’t really progress.

Anyway, I’m guessing there’s some outside influence embedded with the demonstrators and if that’s the case, we can be sure that it is not a neighboring democratic government’s special operation forces. I don’t think democracy is in the cards.

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 6:26 PM

I don’t think democracy is in the cards.

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Well I don’t believe that either, just trying to post up events as they are reported. It seems from everything I’ve read/viewed in the last few days that the bad guys were caught just as flat footed as the good guys and what we are seeing is the wild west on drugs.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Yep. That’s why I don’t put a lot of stake in the “movement”, as it were. It could be disastrous if the power vacuum is filled by pro-Iranian forces.

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 6:45 PM

It could be disastrous if the power vacuum is filled by pro-Iranian forces.

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 6:45 PM

Libya is the most tribal of any of the countries involved so far. Gaddafi has used tribal tensions to play one against the other to maintain a sense of stability. They won’t revert easily to any other power structure. I anticipate some major bloodletting among the tribes as they struggle for the oil wells. It has a lot more chance of going the Somalia route than one of Iran’s puppets.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Obama is trying to find his tap shoes and wondering if the cleats on his golf shoes will do.

Dang~! can’t I just waffle on a vacation?

I wonder how Michelle would look in a burqa?

profitsbeard on February 25, 2011 at 6:59 PM

It has a lot more chance of going the Somalia route than one of Iran’s puppets.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Is that supposed to be comforting?

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Gee Sarah mentioned this like five days ago. She sure is stuuuupid, isn’t she? She has more brains and common sense in her pinky than all of the Obama Administration’s ‘smart diplomats’ combined.

eaglewingz08 on February 25, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Is that supposed to be comforting?

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 7:05 PM

There isn’t any way this thing is going resolved in a manner that is comforting for the U.S. Everything is relative. Personally, I’d prefer a Somalia, with tribal infighting to control wealth, to a Hezbollah type Iranian proxy with control of oil wells. I’m under no illusions as to the long term goals of radical Islam. I also think we will eventually be pulled into a world wide religious war. There appears to be no way to avoid it.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 7:26 PM

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 7:26 PM

So if this is all likely to bare out, maybe it would have been prudent for the leader of the free world to try and temper the uprising through a call for constructive compromise between the existing regime [Egypt] -a US ally- rather than fomenting an all-out march toward upheaval and fast-tracked radicalism of a billion Muslims. Reminds me of a photoshop I did three weeks ago.

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Now, I am seeing more reported about mercenaries than actually military, but even so, the video seems to show unarmed demonstrators marching along the streets until an automatic weapon opens fire and they hastily retreat. This isn’t really progress.

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 6:26 PM

I don’t have your training or experience, but my guess is that the armed protesters are not making frontal assaults that would lend themselves to youtube. Probably sniping and surprise attacks from the side and rear, and then disappear into alleys. A few of those and unit cohesion of the military units in these circumstances will fall apart.

And every time they send out a helicopter they never can be sure whose side it will fire on or return to.

pedestrian on February 25, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Where Palin leads, Obama follows. Palin/West 2012.

SilentWatcher on February 25, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Wow, so after Obama finished his party last night with all of those celebrities, I guess he had time to checkout Sarah Palin’s facebook post from last week. Geesh.

karenhasfreedom on February 25, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Here is a link from Ace
Obama Considering Plan Palin? Seeking Advice on No-Fly Zone For Libya

Geochelone on February 25, 2011 at 7:51 PM

pedestrian on February 25, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Could be the tactic pedestrian, but I’d be surprised if even the draconian Libyan military trains like Redcoats.

Rethinking this dialogue, I may have overstated the scenarios, however. I think now that what we’re being told is largely hypothesized and does not necessarily represent to whole truth. The citizens can’t possibly overtake a committed military opposition, so that’s not the case. The “rebels” are surely not entirely unarmed, so “peaceful” is not the case. (Please don’t take my use of the word “peaceful” as a synonym for “righteous”, I’m not making a judgment on their motives.) “Mercenaries” is probably the more accurate description for the pro-Daffy forces. And the “taking” of cities or oil fields probably refers to a lack of bloodshed rather than battlefield losses.

Suffice to say there’s a lot of fog over there and at this point there’s not telling what will emerge from it.

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Here is a link from Ace
Obama Considering Plan Palin? Seeking Advice on No-Fly Zone For Libya – Geochelone on February 25, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Too bad there is no American aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean Sea ………………. for the first time in 30 years. President dumb@ass phucked up.

SC.Charlie on February 25, 2011 at 8:01 PM

I’d be surprised if even the draconian Libyan military trains like Redcoats.

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 8:00 PM

That’s mostly what they look like in the few videos I’ve seen. The reason is probably so that it is easier to shoot deserters.

pedestrian on February 25, 2011 at 8:14 PM

Wait…what? No fly zone? WTF…Lybia didn’t attack us.

xblade on February 25, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Just who in the hell does obama think he is, king?
Libya is a sovereign nation, its an internal matter , we cannot now or ever interfere with a nation that hasn’t attacked us and impose our will on them, This is why other nations say that we interfere where we shouldn’t.

ColdWarrior57 on February 26, 2011 at 11:56 PM