Libyan diplomats at UN renounce Gaddafi

posted at 1:35 pm on February 25, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The Libyan delegation at the UN has publicly renounced its own government.  Abdul Shaltut told the Human Rights Council during a special session to determine whether to expel Libya as a panel member that his team now represents the Libyan people, and not the regime that oppresses them:

“We in the Libyan mission have categorically decided to serve as representatives of the Libyan people and their free will. We only represent the Libyan people,” he declared.

Diplomats attending the meeting applauded the announcement, but it’s not clear just yet what that means.  If the Libyan team has ceased representing the recognized government in Tripoli, then technically they have no portfolio at the UN.  That would exclude them from the HRC, at least in a formal sense, as UN representation is a privilege granted to governments, not self-appointed representatives of the “people.”

Furthermore, it’s doubtful that the “people” who have liberated a good part of the country from Moammar Gaddafi’s control will endorse the notion that Gaddafi’s diplomats represent their interests, no matter how far ahead of the curve they get with this announcement.  The current set of diplomats will have to answer to the “people” for their own efforts in covering up the crimes of the Gaddafi regime soon enough.  Even if the UN were inclined to credential them temporarily, the potential embarrassment of having them hauled back to Libya by a new government — or worse, having to beg other UN members for asylum — should warn the UN to hold off on the impulse to legitimize them for the short-term PR coup of tweaking Gaddafi.

Regardless, the HRC gave Libya the boot today:

World diplomats gathered in Geneva for an emergency meeting of the U.N. Human Rights Council condemned the violence unleashed by Libyan strongman Moammar Kadafi against anti-government unrest and voted to suspend Libya from the rights body.

Now that the US has finally managed to evacuate the 300 Americans stranded in Libya this week, Barack Obama has begun talking turkey with allies about Libya — including Turkey:

A ferry carrying hundreds of Americans and other evacuees finally sailed from Libya on Friday, removing what U.S. officials feared could be used as a bargaining chip by an embattled Muammar Gaddafi.

President Barack Obama’s administration has been criticized for its relatively restrained response to the Libyan leader’s bloody crackdown on protesters, but U.S. officials say the main concern has been the safety of Americans in the oil-producing North African country.

Obama talked by phone with the leaders of Britain, France and Italy on Thursday on immediate steps to end the crisis, as Washington kept all options open, including sanctions and military action.

The White House said on Friday that Obama had talked to Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan about the situation in Libya, including options to ensure their citizens’ safety and to hold Libya’s government accountable for its actions.

With the issue of the American refugees settled, the White House has a very limited amount of time to assert leadership on the question of Libya.  Given the news cycle of a Friday, Obama had better issue some sort of statement demanding a “transition” from Gaddafi’s reign of terror by the end of the day today, along with some tough sanctions.  If not, Obama will lose the last excuse for his passivity in the face of an uprising against a hostile regime.


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Why would we assert leadership here? I thought Europe was the primary recepient of Libya’s “sweet” oil, not us. We barely had relations.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Work that Peace Prize, baby. Work it!

Lily on February 25, 2011 at 1:40 PM

That settles it,,,we now do not need to bring this guy anywhere to try him. A team goes into Libya and “double taps” this whack job and also the Lockerbie bomber. Saves everybody a lot of trouble and money and is justice finally served.

retiredeagle on February 25, 2011 at 1:40 PM

In fairness, the president has been very busy denouncing Wisconsin Republicans.

Drained Brain on February 25, 2011 at 1:40 PM

US policy on Libya was being held back because a ferry couldn’t make it to pick up 300 people?

Winning The Future!

pedestrian on February 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM

It’s about over for Mad Dog. Just the final mop up and I mean that literally. Now, the tribes start fighting over the oil wells and the U.N. peacekeepers step in to handle the child molestation chores.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM

“We in the Libyan mission have categorically decided to serve as representatives of the Libyan people and their free will. We only represent the Libyan people,”

Anyone want to bet that Gaddaffy Duck has already placed a price on the head of every single member of the Libyan mission?

pilamaye on February 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Sounds like an Obamaesque statement to me. How can you renounce Q-Daffy without mentioning his name?

catmman on February 25, 2011 at 1:42 PM

With the issue of the American refugees settled, the White House has a very limited amount of time to assert leadership on the question of Libya.

Many reports that Gaddaffyduck is down to just Tripoli now. Mitigia air field (ex Wheeler AFB) is said to have fallen.
Now this just in from Gaddaffyducks Interior Minister…

More from Libya’s former interior minister: “In Tripoli, I call all the people in the neighbouring area to go forward to put an end to this brutal regime.”

And this from another Libyan diplomat…

The Libyan deputy UN ambassador, called on Arab states not to send troops or aid to Col Gaddafi, saying they would be jeapordising their relations with the Libyan people. Mr Dabbashi is one of the growing number of Libyan diplomats who have denounced Col Gaddafi and said they no longer support him.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Well give Obama a break! He’s tired from being up so late boogieing to that Motown sound!

sandee on February 25, 2011 at 1:44 PM

sandee on February 25, 2011 at 1:44 PM

?

Are you making an overtly racist remark or am I missing some story here?

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:46 PM

I didn’t think Libya was really in the sphere of our influence. Didn’t Bush manage to finally get even relations established after years of none?

Isn’t this really a European government deal more than us?

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Real brave Libyan diplomats safely tucked away in NYC at the Ritz Carlton, far from the activity in Libya. Why aren’t they back there fighting the fight? Just like the UN itself these people are wastes of DNA.

hip shot on February 25, 2011 at 1:48 PM

“We in the Libyan mission have categorically decided to serve as representatives of the Libyan people and their free will. We only represent the Libyan people,

So who is going to pay for your food, lodging, and salary? Hopefully not me.

These guys are nothing more than rats leaving a sinking ship, but trying to find the lifeboat that has the most food and water on it.

BobMbx on February 25, 2011 at 1:48 PM

Rats. sinking ship.

rbj on February 25, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 1:43 PM

That’s what I am seeing on the news….Tripoli is falling today, pretty much. But does anyone even know where he is?

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Okay- lets say we use air power to finally put an end to the Libyan regime. Then what? Do we move in and try to establish order? Or do we hit and run, leaving the nation in a different state of chaos?

If we leave them to their own devices, one of two things will likely occur: either they’ll devolve into anarchy with no one in charge, or the military -which has been strafing civilians from helicopters- will re-emerge and we’ll have next-door neighbor military juntas in North Africa.

If we move in an try to establish order, how are we not nation-building? That terrible, awful, useless overstepping policy of the Bush administration.

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 1:50 PM

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:49 PM

His televised speech this morning shows him on the wall of the main Libyan army barracks in Tripoli.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 1:51 PM

Under the bus.

Count to 10 on February 25, 2011 at 1:51 PM

I thought Daffy and BHO were friends…

d1carter on February 25, 2011 at 1:52 PM

BKeyser on February 25, 2011 at 1:50 PM

My vote. Hit and go. Let them sort themselves out. We need the nutjobs air assets out of the way so all those folks stranded in the deserts south of Tripoli can finally make it out.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Well give Obama a break! He’s tired from being up so late boogieing to that Motown sound!

sandee on February 25, 2011 at 1:44 PM

But it wasn’t long ago when Obama hauled Arizona to the UN Human Rights Council. Obama only has time if it works to his favor…somehow.

Electrongod on February 25, 2011 at 1:53 PM

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Oil is fungible and it will be sold for the highest price to whoever needs it. Libya lack of production doesn’t happen in a vacuum, oil is required by every nation. Higher prices hurt everyone.

Cindy Munford on February 25, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Are you making an overtly racist remark or am I missing some story here?

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Ann the Leftard returns. “I see reference to Motown, Obama, and dancing. Obviously a racist statement.”

There’s absolutely no way it was a reference to the Motown party staged at the WH last night, where the POTUS most likely, but as yet made clear, was dancing.

If a reference to a black man dancing to the “sounds of Motown” (because he did it, in his house, at his invitation) is a racist comment, I’m not sure what isn’t anymore.

“The bank robber, a black male about 35 yrs old, was last seen running down main street”. Racist or factual description?

BobMbx on February 25, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Rats. sinking ship.

rbj on February 25, 2011 at 1:49 PM

More like Nazis taking off their uniforms and pretending to be refugees.

pedestrian on February 25, 2011 at 1:55 PM

just in…

1854: Another defection from Col Gaddafi: 11 members of Libya’s Arab League delegation resign and call for the colonel to quit.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Maybe the UN would renounce all of Gaddafi’s ‘good friends’ too?

asked it.

ted c on February 25, 2011 at 1:55 PM

A new Somalia with big oil production…?

d1carter on February 25, 2011 at 1:55 PM

AnninCA

We would assert leadership here b/c we are the leaders of the free world and the economic and military powerhouse of the free world, that means we must SPEAK LOUDLY (at the very least) when people are slaughtered by their ‘leader’ and said leader announces a plan to go house to house to ‘cleanse’ as well as to open his arms supplies to mercenaries he hired to kill his people.

I realize the left considerd this view passe, and that is a LARGE part of why I am no longer a practicing Dem but now vote GOP.

I am proud of the USA and what I view as our role in the world to promote freedom and human rights.

Or is it only feeding and funding the world via IMF and UN that we are supposed to do? is that the left’s position? our $ are good but not our boots or voices?

ginaswo on February 25, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Dance, sing, get ready!

(something said by Gaddafi, and probably by Obama too at the Mo’Town Shindig last night)

ted c on February 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Why would we assert leadership here? I thought Europe was the primary recepient of Libya’s “sweet” oil, not us. We barely had relations.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM

It still would affect the price of oil, though. That goes beyond Europe. Plus, the whole terrorist state thing isn’t very appealing.

MeatHeadinCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM

There’s absolutely no way it was a reference to the Motown party staged at the WH last night, where the POTUS most likely, but as yet made clear, was dancing.

That’s why I asked the question: Am I missing a story here?

Thanks for the explanation. And no thanks for the rest of your attitude.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Well give Obama a break! He’s tired from being up so late boogieing to that Motown sound!

sandee on February 25, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Isn’t nostalgia for the sixties just right for little Bammie and his bunch of 60′s wannabe r-word-ary retreads?

slickwillie2001 on February 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Think of it as one clogged artery. All the organs still need the blood but the other arteries can only supply so much.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 1:59 PM

It still would affect the price of oil, though. That goes beyond Europe. Plus, the whole terrorist state thing isn’t very appealing.

MeatHeadinCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM

I get all that, but I just was wondering why we would assume leadership. It would be fine to me if we didn’t.

I am just hoping Saudi Arabia escapes without this type of mess.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Isn’t nostalgia for the sixties just right for little Bammie and his bunch of 60′s wannabe r-word-ary retreads?

slickwillie2001 on February 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Ain’t it the truth!

sandee on February 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Now that the Americans are out, I think it would be very good timing to ask Hillary just what the heck happened with the exit plans.

I really like her alot, but this looked incompetent. When Greece can do better? Something is off-kilter here.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM

I really like her alot, but this looked incompetent. When Greece can do better? Something is off-kilter here.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM

What’s not to like /s

sandee on February 25, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Denouncing Daffy? What a display of moral courage./

pugwriter on February 25, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Total drug induced Baghdad Bob now….

1902: Libyan TV reports that the regime has been in talks with “the misguided youth”, who “have been handing over their weapons and joining the mass marches alongside the brother and leader of the revolution”.

The end is nigh.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 2:06 PM

I am just hoping Saudi Arabia escapes without this type of mess.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Why?

DarkCurrent on February 25, 2011 at 2:07 PM

DRenouncing Daffy? What a display of moral courage./

pugwriter on February 25, 2011 at 2:03 PM

FIFM

pugwriter on February 25, 2011 at 2:07 PM

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Greece? What about France??? They got their folks out…’white flag’ France! Bammie really dropped the ball here.

odat on February 25, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Here is the lowdown on the evacs…country by country…

Read China…then read United States…then weep.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12552374

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 2:10 PM

I really like her alot, but this looked incompetent. When Greece can do better? Something is off-kilter here.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Rrreeaaalllly?/

pugwriter on February 25, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Nice ploy to try and keep their manhatten apartments and the expense accounts. But pretty soon I suspect, they’ll be recalled to Libya or you’ll be able to find them selling hot dogs on 82nd street.

44Magnum on February 25, 2011 at 2:11 PM

If not, Obama will lose the last excuse for his passivity in the face of an uprising against a hostile regime.

The “his passivity” is a meme. He’s inept.

Schadenfreude on February 25, 2011 at 2:13 PM

I really like her alot, but this looked incompetent. When Greece can do better? Something is off-kilter here.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM

face palm

search4truth on February 25, 2011 at 2:14 PM

look out…..Gadaffyduck’s son announcing an immediate news conference…

Libyan satellite TV channel al-Libiyah reports Saif al-Islam will hold a news conference “in a few moments”.

Come surf Libya? Or gee dad is dead?

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 2:15 PM

In fairness, the president has been very busy denouncing Wisconsin Republicans.

Drained Brain on February 25, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Bingo.

mikeyboss on February 25, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Obama had better issue some sort of statement

Only if he can get to it between rounds of golf.

vcferlita on February 25, 2011 at 2:15 PM

I just think we need to be asking the administration why we were so ill-prepared and, clearly, inept.

That was a dangerous situation that was unnecessary.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 2:16 PM

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 1:46 PM

So you find nothing offensive about crying overt racism against one poster but when an explanation with mild snark is offered in defense you don’t like the persons attitude? Really?

I was wondering if you still think Ed Morrissey is a Race Baiter for posting that Sharpton thread?

Geochelone on February 25, 2011 at 2:21 PM

If you think Big Government can get right on top of things…

The BBC’s Chris Morris in Brussels reports: “EU diplomats say its unlikely that EU sanctions against Libya will be in force until the second half of next week. The provisional agreement to impose sanctions has to be approved by ministers from member states. Then a legal regulation has to be produced by the European Commission – specifying details of sanctions, names of those affected etc – and again approved unanimously by all

Gawd forbid the Leichenstein delegation forgets to submit form y-7 in triplicate.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 2:25 PM

State Dept just now announced the closing of the U.S. embassy in Tripoli.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Imagine what it took in Libya, to become a Libyan diplomat, in the first place.

For that crowd to bolt means the money spiggot is truly threatened.

Hope they have their bank accounts in Switzerland although Abu Dhabai seems to be cranking up bond yields in view of the turmoil in the neighorhood.

If Ghadaffi burns his wells, oil will go up, because the Europeans will now compete with us for the remaining aoil. Even though oil is plentiful, not dear, any cut in production is an excuse for OPEC to raise rates.

I am surprised Gaddafi did not blow up the fields. He is a dead man anyway, unless he turns himself into for psychiatric incarceration in Saudi Arabia, wearing pilgrim robes. [Hint]

Saudis must be torn. If Gadaffi burns his fields, America and Europe will pay to fix it and meanwhile Saudi profits will spike. Assume they hedged a few bets.

For Saddam to blow his wells, he had to have a bunch of loyalists who did not want the oil to go to the Americans, or the Shia. Ghaddafi could not blow up a balloon himself, and he is running out of loyalists. Probably explains the al Quaeda surge as various factions rush to protect the spiggots for their own causes

Saudiis etc have to worry who will get the wells, because the winner takes all

entagor on February 25, 2011 at 2:28 PM

The end is nigh.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 2:06 PM

I hope there is enough left for a DNA match. End times sometimes get disorganized and a bit too enthusiastic.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 2:32 PM

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Been thinking the same thing…Hitler’s bunker and all.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 2:35 PM

I am surprised Gaddafi did not blow up the fields. entagor on February 25, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I think the rebel forces are protecting them. As I understand the geography, the wells are in territory under control of the antiGaddafis, but reports are often contradictory.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 2:37 PM

I am surprised Gaddafi did not blow up the fields. entagor on February 25, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I think the rebel forces are protecting them. As I understand the geography, the wells are in territory under control of the antiGaddafis, but reports are often contradictory.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 2:37 PM

They are largely in the east of Libya held by the rebels and given that the tribes have defected even the southern part of Libya is probably unfriendly to Colonel Daffy.

http://content.edgar-online.com/edgar_conv_img/2008/05/21/0001311435-08-000008_SJ20F07LIBYA.GIF

sharrukin on February 25, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Ferris Bueller at the White House is announcing embassy shut down now…

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Ferris Bueller at the White House is announcing embassy shut down now…

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Wow, that’s such a surprise!

sandee on February 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM

BREAKING VIDEO: Defiant Gadhafi Tells Supporters To ‘Dance, Sing, Stay Up All Night’

Did Mo get advise from Motown Obama last night?

Or is he having a Lionel Richie flashback?

Terp Mole on February 25, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Terp Mole on February 25, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Racist. Overtly too, I might add.

BobMbx on February 25, 2011 at 2:52 PM

So you find nothing offensive about crying overt racism against one poster but when an explanation with mild snark is offered in defense you don’t like the persons attitude? Really?

I was wondering if you still think Ed Morrissey is a Race Baiter for posting that Sharpton thread?

Geochelone on February 25, 2011 at 2:21 PM

I didn’t cry racism. I asked the question. If you can’t see the difference, then that’s truly your problem, not mine.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 2:53 PM

BREAKING VIDEO: Defiant Gadhafi Tells Supporters To ‘Dance, Sing, Stay Up All Night’

Maybe he’s warming them up for Beyonce, Mariah Carey and Ussher again.

Terp Mole on February 25, 2011 at 3:00 PM

I wish we had Bush now. Nobody, not even Gaddafi will think of using Americans as bargaining chips.

Chudi on February 25, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Big giant Canadian face palm….

2018: As foreign governments rush to evacuate citizens from Libya, it appears Canada overestimated their contingent. AP reports that a charter aircraft dispatched by the Ottawa government left Tripoli with only its crew aboard after finding no Canadians waiting at the airport.

Limerick on February 25, 2011 at 3:23 PM

The Libyan people have plans of their own for their tyrant. Don’t get in their way.

What would be the point of sanctions at this juncture?

perries on February 25, 2011 at 3:34 PM

The Libyan people have plans of their own for their tyrant. Don’t get in their way.

What would be the point of sanctions at this juncture?

perries on February 25, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Sanctions are the cherry on top of the sundae of world disgust. They’re symbolic, and take time for the effects to be felt. Yet, if your choice is nothing, or sanctions, then sanctions is the best way to express your displeasure.

What are our options? In reality, doing nothing, or passing sanctions. We can’t go in and fight, we don’t have the military. We don’t have the troops, and we don’t have the money. So a military response beyond the most token of bombings is just not an option. Diplomacy requires that both parties be willing to listen, as well as speak. Qaddafi is hardly going to listen, and instead continue to try and gin up support with vague explanations of impossible conspiracies. So Diplomacy is out.

That leaves two options, doing nothing, or sanctions. True, the sanctions would have little effect, except that they would be a demonstration to the future Libyan Government, hopefully one of and by the people, of our desire for a peaceful shift to a more democratic form of Government. It’s a token, granted. But such tokens are often important in years, and decades beyond the time of the token.

Remember the Alamo, when a token force, impossibly outnumbered, delayed and held up the entire army of General Santa Ana. The three hundred Spartans were a token force, and their stand was a token defense against a vastly larger force. Yet like the Alamo inspired the Texans, they inspired a newly unified Greece to stand against impossible odds, and win.

Perhaps out token of Sanctions, will inspire the Libyans people to view us as something other than the Great Satan. Probably not, that meme is already well intrenched, but it might change the minds of a few, who may change the minds of a few more. Perhaps there will be one less enemy in the world eventually. All that is possible with the token of a mere piece of paper, and the resolve to stand behind it, of Sanctions.

If you choose not to act, you have made a choice. You are taking the action of inaction. This basic philosophical truth is right before us. Do we act, and stand behind the principals of self determination we have always spoken about? Or do we sit and announce it’s useless. Both would take about the same energy, the passing of sanctions merely accomplished with the weary raising of the hand.

The question is why wouldn’t we pass sanctions?

Snake307 on February 25, 2011 at 3:56 PM

The question is why wouldn’t we pass sanctions?

Snake307 on February 25, 2011 at 3:56 PM

Mainly because they cause hardship for the people fighting for freedom. They won’t affect Mad Dog. This thing will be over before the bureacracies can rouse themselves. As usual. I also remember how sanctions are blithely ignored such as those on Saddam’s Iraq and even Iran. Was he still able to sell oil and maintain? Sure. Why? Because sincerity is a fictitious commodity where there is a profit to be made. Corrupt symbolism is still corrupt.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 4:13 PM

I didn’t cry racism. I asked the question. If you can’t see the difference, then that’s truly your problem, not mine.

AnninCA on February 25, 2011 at 2:53 PM

That’s defensive, and nonsense. Your question above was “Are you making an overtly racist remark or am I missing some story here?” While you may disagree, the question is accusatory. And, it was you who made the assumption that the comment, by referencing “Motown,” was inherently racist, which it was not. Physician, heal thyself.

jaschenb74 on February 25, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Heh

10:25pm
In Chad, Foreign Ministry’s General Secretary Moussa Mahamat Dago rejected allegations that citizens of his African country were amongst those reportedly recruited by Gaddafi to crack down on protesters

.

a capella on February 25, 2011 at 4:43 PM