Survey of GOP “insiders”: We can’t win the war over a government shutdown

posted at 9:18 pm on February 24, 2011 by Allahpundit

My heart sank when I read it, but look at it this way: Is this really the hill you want to die on? The GOP’s proposed budget cuts, while steep by normal standards, are nothing more than a token to please the base. Whether we end up cutting $100 billion or $60 billion or $10 billion doesn’t matter; it’s chump change if you’re focused on a long-term fix for the budget. The real money is in entitlements, so the idea (I hope) is to use these early budget fights to cultivate an image of “reasonable, responsible” fiscal solutions and then use that cred later to sell Social Security and Medicare reform as both reasonable and responsible. Hence the need to avoid a shutdown, which might — might — generate a lasting backlash.

Or am I rationalizing?

Fully 65 percent of Republicans say it’s not in their interest to play this game of chicken. Can you feel the despair?

“The Republicans look awful if there’s a government shutdown and they are seen to have caused it,” said one GOP Insider. “I remember how the last shutdown went and find it impossible to believe this one could go any better,” said another.

Indeed, several recalled how a new Republican House Speaker empowered by a huge victory in the midterm elections was outmaneuvered by a first term Democratic President. “As Bill Clinton proved, the president has the bully pulpit in these situations, something Newt Gingrich never recovered from,” recalled a GOP Insider. Another cautioned of the possible shutdown: “We always think it’s a good idea until we do it and get our butt kicked when real people start suffering for it.”

So there’s your new rule of fiscal conservatism: No budget-balancing if real people will suffer from it. If you guys need me, I’ll be over here in the corner curled up in the fetal position.

But wait. Perhaps there’s hope yet:

A clear majority of independents don’t think the Democrats’ cuts go far enough and a plurality of independents don’t think the GOP’s cuts go far enough. Maybe that explains the news tonight that Democrats are preparing a new budget for the rest of the year that involves some cuts of their own. Supposedly they’ll agree to eliminate more than $8 billion in earmarks and speed up some of the $24 billion in cuts that Obama proposed for next year’s budget. Good enough? If not, prepare to be clubbed over the head in the media with the new Goldman Sachs analysis claiming that the GOP’s proposal could shave off as much as two percent from GDP growth this year. Exit quotation from Eric Cantor’s dopey Harvard hecklers tonight: “Budget Cuts Kill!”


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Dire Straits on February 24, 2011 at 10:27 PM

I know. Thanks.

kingsjester on February 24, 2011 at 10:29 PM

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:16 PM

D.C-Poweritis can weave a powerful spell, how many of those elected ever manage to reject it.

I’m taking it for granted now that every last pol of any party is going to stab Americans in the back with a poisoned blade, it’s just a matter of how and when.

Bishop on February 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM

kingsjester on February 24, 2011 at 10:29 PM

..:)

Dire Straits on February 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM

So, if the government DOES shut down….
We know in 1995, during the shut down, Bubba got a Lewinsky, played in the humidor, all while conducting business in the Oval Office.
Dare I ask what will happen in 2011?

HornetSting on February 24, 2011 at 10:31 PM

DON’T KID YOURSELVES……THE FIX IS IN.

The GOP/Whig leadership isn’t going to make the tough decisions (and we wasted our votes in November) because what this lousy excuse for “leaders” has done has abdicated it’s fiscal responsibility.

They are no better than the Dems if they pass crap so they can say they defunded Planned Parenthood but then they cave as soon as it gets to the Senate.

So in effect******shock******* the GOP is just playing games.

The fix/dirty little secret is that the Wrecking Ball AND the GOP will let the IMF and the credit agencies FORCE the Congress to do it or the country will collapse economically. THE IMF / WORLD BANK / CREDIT AGENCIES will be the BAD COP.

PappyD61 on February 24, 2011 at 10:31 PM

Change is gradual. That’s just the way it is. Political capital is a limited resource, this is not a fight that is worth wasting a large chunk of it.

Next year will bring more opportunities.

Dreadnought on February 24, 2011 at 10:23 PM

politcal capital can not be saved for a rainy day. Politcal capital must be used quickly or you lose it. Ask bush in 2005. the way you get more politcal capital is to use the capital you have and the mandate the voters gave you as quickly as possible showing them you are to be trusted with more. The more you use politcal capital in accordance with the voter mandate the more politcal capital you get.

the only way you lose poltical capital is by going against your mandate, pushing failed polices, lying (see Obama 2010) or trying to “save” that politcal capital for the “right fight” ( see Bush 2005)

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Truly, how long would a “government shutdown” last?

Would the residents in the WH be forced to eat baloney sandwiches for a day?

onlineanalyst on February 24, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Dreadnought on February 24, 2011 at 10:23 PM

politcal capital is not limited in any way shape or form. Politcal capital is a limitless resource. Th emore you use it the more success you gain the mor epolitcal capital you have. Reagan in 1984 had more politcal capital thn in 1980 because he used that politcal capital. Bush had less in 92 than he had in 88 because he went against his mandate, lied and failed to use the politcal capital the voters gave him for the mandate they gave it to him for.

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:36 PM

OT but holy shiite – Two and a Half Men cancelled for the season.

CWforFreedom on February 24, 2011 at 10:36 PM

CWforFreedom on February 24, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Charlie Sheen has big time problems..

Dire Straits on February 24, 2011 at 10:37 PM

D.C-Poweritis can weave a powerful spell, how many of those elected ever manage to reject it.

I’m taking it for granted now that every last pol of any party is going to stab Americans in the back with a poisoned blade, it’s just a matter of how and when.

Bishop on February 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Sooner or later they all let us down. yes. i;’m still holding out hope that Palin will be the exception. doubtful I know but still the only one in my life so far that hasn’t disappointed yet.

The more i see the more I think it will take another 1773 before the government fears the taxpayers more than the moochers…

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM

politcal capital can not be saved for a rainy day. Politcal capital must be used quickly or you lose it. Ask bush in 2005. the way you get more politcal capital is to use the capital you have and the mandate the voters gave you as quickly as possible showing them you are to be trusted with more. The more you use politcal capital in accordance with the voter mandate the more politcal capital you get.

the only way you lose poltical capital is by going against your mandate, pushing failed polices, lying (see Obama 2010) or trying to “save” that politcal capital for the “right fight” ( see Bush 2005)

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:33 PM

They said the same thing in 95.

Bush used a good chunk of his political capital on Iraq. The rest was squandered (mostly not his fault), in the aftermath of Katrina.

Political capital can be saved. Yes, a Katrina can come along and spend some of it for you, but that sort of thing usually falls on the Executive, not on the Legislature.

Dreadnought on February 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM

Nope. It doesn’t matter how many footsoldiers we sign up. It is the leadership that is important. We need to primary Candors district to send a message. We also need to make sure we elect a conservative to POTUS. The Congress follows the lead of the POTUS. Footsoldiers is all well and good and the more the easier it is to get the job done but without leaderhsip and conservative generals the amount and quaility of the footsoldiers is meaningless….
unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:02 PM

I’m not talking about GOTV, we need to be developing quality candidates at the local level. Alternatives to whoever the party leaders think are next in line. I’m sick of waiting to be told whose “turn” it is to run for office. We need candidates with principles and experience, people who understand the issues and can rationally discuss local and national concerns in a substantive manner.

obladioblada on February 24, 2011 at 10:45 PM

You argue like a Dem. The point is to permanently reduce spending, not to redistribute the savings from budget cuts.

Missy on February 24, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Brilliant! What’s the point in permanently reducing spending if it doesn’t “trickle down” to the taxpayer?

Or is ripping off the taxpayers by Republicans somehow more acceptable than being ripped off by Democrats?

Does it really make you feel better for revenue to be dispersed to Republican pet projects, Republican pork, and Republican cronies than to those of the Democrats?

I realized long ago that these power-brokers are all either political animals or Socialists regardless of what party they adhere to. They’re all out to accrue more power for themselves, advance their NWO ideologies and/or feather their nests. At this point, the GOP is, to me, the lesser of two evils.

As each GOP Golden Boy after another assumes the RINO mantle and gets thrown into the Conservative dustbin you may one day wise up and realize we’ve been had.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 24, 2011 at 10:48 PM

If the government shuts down, Will all of the photocopiers stop?, Would that mean the end of the Motown concerts at the White House? Would the president have to telecommute instead of flying AF1 all over the country and back? Will the First Families vacations now be limited to Camp David? Will they only serve beans in the Senate cafeteria? Will there only be cold showers in the Senate gym? Will the government have to stop replacing all the lightbulbs?

The Repubs all need to grow a set of cajones bigger than Sarah Palin’s. They need to start every press conference, media appearance, interview, constiuent contact, letter, fax, email, tweet and facebook post with the following: “WE ARE BROKE! THE PARTY IS OVER AND WE ARE THE PARTY POOPERS”

We can not spend, we must cut, cut and cut some more. Remind the public about Coolidge. This is the era of thrift.

Shut it down and then escape to Illinois, I hear it’s the brave thing to do these days.

kringeesmom on February 24, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Brilliant! What’s the point in permanently reducing spending if it doesn’t “trickle down” to the taxpayer?

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 24, 2011 at 10:48 PM

You either are being obtuse or you are just not very intelligent. See if the saving are used to pay down debts and cut deficits you don’t get your handout now but the future tax payer is saved lots of money. You are pathetic union boy. Let go the teat.

CWforFreedom on February 24, 2011 at 10:51 PM

Timid RINOs effectively hand the Democrats a nuclear weapon.

Unless you have the courage of your convictions, you don’t belong in public office. And if you don’t have any convictions, you should be disqualified from both running and voting.

landlines on February 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM

They said the same thing in 95.

Bush used a good chunk of his political capital on Iraq. The rest was squandered (mostly not his fault), in the aftermath of Katrina.

Political capital can be saved. Yes, a Katrina can come along and spend some of it for you, but that sort of thing usually falls on the Executive, not on the Legislature.

Dreadnought on February 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM

No politcal capital can not be saved. Bush squandered his politcal capital. It is either used and increased or it is lost and given to someone else. Politcal capital is the will of the voters. You can not save the will of the voters. they ar enot inanimate objects. they ar ehuman beings with wants, desires and hopes who give politicans power to see those wants, desires and hopes come to life. they will not sit around waiting for you the politcan to make good on your promise. they will take back their politcal capital and give it to someone that promises to use it to further their wants, desires and hopes. Trying to sav epoltical capital is like trying to hold sand in your hands. the longer you hold it the less you have.

And furthermore

No they didn’t say that in 95. the 94 house ran on the Contract with America. They used that politcal capital. the people rewarded them with high marks.

Then they overreached and tried to do something outside their mandate.

Newt didn’t help at all. 2 days after the shutdown Newt told reports the reason for the shut down was not the fiscal problems we faced but

He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One… Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child. The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same.”

Got that? Newt made the shut down a personal issue because the POTUS snubbed him. He borught the government to a stop because of hurt feelings. This was not the mandate, this was not a proper use of the politcal capital that the voters gave to Newt. Upon this display the voters took back the politcal capital for the house and gave it to clinton. Who used it wisely.

Unless this speaker says something as stupid as Newt said in 95 he has no worries.

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM

We need candidates with principles and experience, people who understand the issues and can rationally discuss local and national concerns in a substantive manner.

obladioblada on February 24, 2011 at 10:45 PM

I agree I’m simply saying that without conservative leaders all those we recurit will simply follow the RINO leaders…

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:54 PM

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:36 PM

You’re on to something. It’s a mindset first, one of confidence and resolve. Strategy is not difficult; it follows naturally from this mindset. The conservative “establishment”, given their national mandate and the obvious moral imperative to challenge Obama’s ravages, are weirdly lost souls.

rrpjr on February 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Dr. Z. you’ve quit. Loser.

CWforFreedom on February 24, 2011 at 10:56 PM

Here’s an idea…. Call all Federal Employees into a meeting, hand each one a raffle ticket. Call out raffle #’s for a few hours. The employees whose #’s have been called are fired. Repeat 1x per week for 6 weeks.

kringeesmom on February 24, 2011 at 10:57 PM

AP, you’re justifying.

If the Republicans stick to their guns over this and the Dems insist on a shutdown anyway, it will reveal exactly how little the Dems are willing to do in order to cut the deficit.

It’s a start, not an end, if they attempt this.

teke184 on February 24, 2011 at 10:58 PM

Is this really the hill you want to die on? The GOP’s proposed budget cuts, while steep by normal standards, are nothing more than a token to please the base. Whether we end up cutting $100 billion or $60 billion or $10 billion doesn’t matter; it’s chump change if you’re focused on a long-term fix for the budget. The real money is in entitlements

Allah: I have good news and bad news for you.
Good news: You are not a rino
Bad news: you settle, you will end up marrying a huge bodied, dominating woman you are not in love with.

paulsur on February 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM

With such half glass empty attitudes we have a lot of work to do. And that is just with the people on our side of the aisle.

CWforFreedom on February 24, 2011 at 11:05 PM

CWforFreedom on February 24, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Good point!..:)

Dire Straits on February 24, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Union boy don’t let your hatin of the great Scott Walker cloud your thinking. I know you love the union perks but Walker said this was about his state’s deficit and taking care of the problem through cuts and without raising taxes.

CWforFreedom on February 24, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Oh, is he anything like the once-great Mitch Daniels? Or the once-great Chris Christie? Or the once-great Mitt Romney? Or the once great Michael Steele? Are all your false idols that temporary?

As for union “perks”, I’d love to know what those are, because obviously you’re such an expert on what exactly myself and my fellow teachers are getting…wherever we are, which you don’t even know.

If you want to think we’re all Dems and Commies, then fine, think whatever you want.

Half of my family comes from West Pennsylvania coal-mining country and I was brought up to believe in unions, and I believe that government employees have the same right to negotiate with said government as any contractor does. But I also believe that us government employees have a special duty to the citizens of our states that employ us.

I do have problems with some aspects of unions, some unions more than others. I don’t believe in closed shop. I don’t think that state employees should expect exorbitant pay and benefits. All I’m going to say on that matter.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 24, 2011 at 11:09 PM

rrpjr on February 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Those that think you can save politcal capital are losers that simply do not want to fight the hard fights. They hem and haw and look for some excuse to avoid the fight the people elected them to have. this is why we hav enot had a leader with a mandate since 1984. Since 1988 all politcians hav elied to get into office then went about using the political capital the voters gav ethem to do everything but what they ran on. which made them quickly lose the will of the voters that elected them and set up massive loses in the mid terms.

you eother push the mandate the voters gav eyou or they will take it away. The USA federal Government is not a Bank savings account. Use it or lose it. and use it for the reason and only the reason the voters gav eit to you.

the voters in NOv voted to stop Obama the GOp didn’t do that in the lameduck, the voters voted to stop the spending the gop failed to do that. The GOP is about out of politcal capital and are quickly becoming a laughing stock to the people. At this rate the marxist will retake the house in 2012.

the GOp will either lead or they will be replaced.

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Our “thought leaders” are afraid of standing on principle…
They learned nothing from this past Novemeber’s election…

Gohawgs on February 24, 2011 at 11:10 PM

Newt didn’t help at all. 2 days after the shutdown Newt told reports the reason for the shut down was not the fiscal problems we faced but

He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One… Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child. The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same.”
Got that? Newt made the shut down a personal issue because the POTUS snubbed him. He borught the government to a stop because of hurt feelings. This was not the mandate, this was not a proper use of the politcal capital that the voters gave to Newt. Upon this display the voters took back the politcal capital for the house and gave it to clinton. Who used it wisely.

Unless this speaker says something as stupid as Newt said in 95 he has no worries.

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM

Several days before Gingrich made his ill-advised comments, the polls for the GOP were already way down and Clinton’s approval rating rose to its highest ever at that point. Read the contemporary accounts. The whole Gingrich episode was way overrated.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/09/08/government_shutdown_1995

Dreadnought on February 24, 2011 at 11:16 PM

The Dems have the Pubs buns up whether they’re a majority or a minority.

Dems have been taking the Pubs to school for decades.

The Stupid Party….fitting.

rickyricardo on February 24, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Dreadnought on February 24, 2011 at 11:16 PM

maybe you simply missed this part of my post let me refresh your memory:

the 94 house ran on the Contract with America. They used that politcal capital. the people rewarded them with high marks.

Then they overreached and tried to do something outside their mandate.

newt destroyed whtever was left of his political capital by those comments. However his overreach of the mandate the voters gave him was the first problem. the voters didn’t send the 94 congress to DC to shutdown the gov. they sent them their to clean up the mess.

the same can not be said for the 2010 congress. The voters specifically sent this congress to stop obama/dems. If that means shutting down the gov so be it.

95 is not 2011 and now the dange ris instead of overreaching it is underreaching.

Once again the GOP is fighting the last war instead of the present one…

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 11:22 PM

BTW, are the taxpayers still funding ACORN and Planned Parenthood?

Are the taxpayers still involuntarily sinking their tax dollars into supporting public employee unions who then use the same cash to promote Democrats?

How does this happen in spite of Republican control of Congress for so many years?

Like I said….the Stupid Party has earned its name.

rickyricardo on February 24, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Who needs political capital. If folks would get voted out of office after a term that could be a good thing, I’m tired of lifetime pols. sick and tired.

kringeesmom on February 24, 2011 at 11:24 PM

I think that the Republican Party’s strategy for ’12 is to make us all hate them so passionately that a 3rd party will invariably spring up to dominate the election, basically absorbing much of the old Republican Party but with a new tea party structure. Throw away the Bush/McCain Machine and start over with a brand new tea party infrastructure.

The Bush machine, (A.K.A. “insiders”), are a huge liability. The Republican Party is a dried up husk of its former self, adrift without purpose. What it needs are new leaders and new “insiders” and, most of all, a new spirit to fight and win. But because the entrenched “insiders” are perfectly comfortable just the way things are it will be more efficient for us to let them keep their offices and continue running things how they like while the rest of us go start our own party somewhere else.

FloatingRock on February 24, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Like I said….the Stupid Party has earned its name.

rickyricardo on February 24, 2011 at 11:24 PM

agreed…

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 11:27 PM

While I agree completely with the need to reduce spending, please think about this call to shut the whole thing down. Who is it that gets shut down? Is it the VA and Public Health Service hospitals except for the ERs? The CDC? The IRS, who is processing your refund checks? The National Labs and agencies who oversee and secure our nuclear assets? The contracting offices that are making arrangements for the installations of radiation detectors at ports of entry and other security measures? The Social Security Administration offices that are processing your parents checks? The Government contractor EMPLOYEES that do much of the actual lower paying “grunt” work and won’t get reimbursed for the time lost?

Who actually gets hurt? I can tell you who it won’t be. It won’t be the Speaker of the House, the President pro tem of the Senate or the POTUS. They will all be determined to be essential employees. So, please be careful about what you wish for…it may come back to bite us all worse than the mess we’re already in.

Catseye on February 24, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Dreadnought on February 24, 2011 at 11:16 PM

maybe you simply missed this part of my post let me refresh your memory:

the 94 house ran on the Contract with America. They used that politcal capital. the people rewarded them with high marks.

Then they overreached and tried to do something outside their mandate.
newt destroyed whtever was left of his political capital by those comments. However his overreach of the mandate the voters gave him was the first problem. the voters didn’t send the 94 congress to DC to shutdown the gov. they sent them their to clean up the mess.

the same can not be said for the 2010 congress. The voters specifically sent this congress to stop obama/dems. If that means shutting down the gov so be it.

95 is not 2011 and now the dange ris instead of overreaching it is underreaching.

Once again the GOP is fighting the last war instead of the present one…

unseen on February 24, 2011 at 11:22 PM

So you think part of the 2010 mandate was to shut down the Federal Government?

It is an unfortunate fact of politics: make the trains run on time and you win a lot of votes. The corollary is: make the trains run late……

Dreadnought on February 24, 2011 at 11:39 PM

Here’s an idea…. Call all Federal Employees into a meeting, hand each one a raffle ticket. Call out raffle #’s for a few hours. The employees whose #’s have been called are fired. Repeat 1x per week for 6 weeks.

kringeesmom on February 24, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Is that ever really a good way of doing things?

Sounds like you might get a few Private Arnaud’s from “Paths of Glory”.

Dreadnought on February 24, 2011 at 11:47 PM

Yet another ‘gamesmanship’ post.

We will not know for a year if this crop of Republicans are going to do anything to fix the overspending mess the federal government is in.

Unless, of course, if the fed stops buying treasuries and no-one else buys thenm either. Then, we will see the over spending end.

Freddy on February 24, 2011 at 11:57 PM

Who actually gets hurt? I can tell you who it won’t be. It won’t be the Speaker of the House, the President pro tem of the Senate or the POTUS. They will all be determined to be essential employees. So, please be careful about what you wish for…it may come back to bite us all worse than the mess we’re already in.

Catseye on February 24, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Well said.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 25, 2011 at 12:17 AM

I must be really dumb, because I think the way to beat this is to pass a bill that funds the things you want to fund at the levels you want to fund them and Announce it to the world that these things are covered.

Then if the other side wants to shut things down to try to increase their slice of the cake, they’ll look like idiots.

But you have to have done your homework first.

And didn’t Goldman Sacks get a big chunk of the TARP and stimulus money as well as providing “brain power” to the Democrats. Their estimate is just political baloney.

CrazyGene on February 25, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Fire them all. If a GOP congressperson does not have the stomach to fight for what matters then he/she needs to be retired.

alwaysfiredup on February 25, 2011 at 12:36 AM

Would the residents in the WH be forced to eat baloney sandwiches for a day?
onlineanalyst on February 24, 2011 at 10:34 PM

No…. But maybe Moochelle would be cut down to merely two lobsters and three pounds of Wagyu beef per day.

LegendHasIt on February 25, 2011 at 1:15 AM

Or am I rationalizing?

No the stakes are too high to allow this to become the end all of spending cuts.

Like it or not half the country is going to have to be dragged kicking an screaming into reality.

You can’t get anything accomplished if you quit.

Look at Wisconsin.

They have to take two forward and half of one back but I really thing we are going to make some real reforms this time.

But I don’t think we are going to shut down the EPA or Department of Ed. To bad but be serious we do have to share the country with the liberal idiots.

petunia on February 25, 2011 at 2:21 AM

WIMPs!

Weak Intimidated Mousy Politicians. Our worst fears are realized. The Republicans DO NOT HAVE THE WILL to do the work of the People.

Ricohoc on February 25, 2011 at 4:30 AM

No budget-balancing if real people will suffer from it. If you guys need me, I’ll be over here in the corner curled up in the fetal position.

Buck up little camper, here’s 770 Million they can cut.

BDU-33 on February 25, 2011 at 5:48 AM

in the corner curled up in the fetal position

So “pathetic’ is now a RINO strategy? Good grief grow a backbone, why don’t ya.

Take a page from the notes of Admiral David Farragut;

“Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!”

Done That on February 25, 2011 at 6:07 AM

Something to think about.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/does-voting-matter-anymore/

diogenes on February 25, 2011 at 7:04 AM

They were wrong the last time and they are even more
wrong, if possible, NOW.

lilium on February 25, 2011 at 7:08 AM

I think this means I will finally quit the GOP. I’m tired of these cowards.

zoyclem on February 25, 2011 at 7:29 AM

Allah should have popped a picture of Eeyore on the front….

*sigh*

cmsinaz on February 25, 2011 at 7:40 AM

they can’t walk the walk….

too afraid of the lsm me thinks

cmsinaz on February 25, 2011 at 7:41 AM

Later?

AP, The problem is that you’re talking about a world whose basic mode of functioning is not rational any longer. I want it now, permeates all things, emotion with these undisciplined masses, is far more powerful a weapon than rational thought. You fail to sense the urgency of the moment. Lose this battle (Obama, transparently anti-freedom but is still near 50% approval – de Tocqueville was so right) and you’ll get no other opportunity – far too many have been seduced by the socialist candy and the Marxist pipers, for us to sit back and wait. With weak unprincipled leaders,(Or haven’t you noticed) there never will be “the right moment.”

Don L on February 25, 2011 at 7:54 AM

Wrong. You can’t win the war if you don’t fight. Did Reagan wring his hands publicly when he shut down the government? Leaders lead, so don’t claim to be a GOP leader unless you lead.

txmomof6 on February 25, 2011 at 8:02 AM

These are the same “insiders” who told us that it was suicide to actively oppose Obama and that the TEA Party movement would marginalize the GOP by driving away independents. They are also the direct descendants of the idiots who said that Ronald Reagan was too conservative and polarizing to be elected President in 1980 (sound familar to anyone here?).

Consultants and insiders are like generals — always fighting the last war. The nature of politics in the US is changing rapidly, but they either will not or cannot see it.

SCSoxFan on February 25, 2011 at 8:39 AM

but look at it this way: Is this really the hill you want to die on?

Famous last words, chiseled on the progressive atheist tombstone. As if there’s any hill that Allahpundit wants to die on. That line went flat long ago, Allap., right along with your fetish for Alinsky smears to sooth the brain from actually taking a stand on anything beyond your personal career as a paid saboteur of constitutional conservancy.

maverick muse on February 25, 2011 at 8:50 AM

Well GOP, sumnon your courage and do it anyway. They’re going to force you, so take the bait and throw it is their nasty faces if it comes to that. This is NOT the Clinton era and the problems are very different and the electorate is better informed. Don’t be so gutless!!! It’s two years to election.

jeanie on February 25, 2011 at 9:05 AM

THE IMF / WORLD BANK / CREDIT AGENCIES will be the BAD COP.

PappyD61 on February 24, 2011 at 10:31 PM

This guy has it right. Im really getting tired of the budget battle, its just a game. Only a handful of republicans in washington are looking to really balance the budget, and for good reason, seniors are greedy and will not give up their benefits and are the largest voting bloc, the largest political campaign contributors and have the largest lobbying organization in AARP. Were screwed until the IMF and World Bank balance our budgets for us. The era of self rule is coming to an end, we are incapable of doing it responsibly.

snoopicus on February 25, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Boehner:

We surrender!sniff, sniff, its for the children

james23 on February 25, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Who actually gets hurt?

Catseye on February 24, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Cry me a river. Hear that? It’s the sound of the world’s tiniest violin playing for the poor poor government contract workers doing “grunt” work.

bitsy on February 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM

….seniors are greedy and will not give up their benefits…
snoopicus

Wow, you must have memorized Mein Kampf – as in , how do you spell scapegoat? S E N I O R S Who? The folks that handed you a sane world -the one you’ve corrupted.

Don L on February 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM

Either you make the cuts and get labeled a meanie, or kick the can down the road and get labeled a hypocrite. You were voted in for a reason, so do your job, and let the chips fall where they may.

mossberg500 on February 25, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Wait a minute, I thought we won in the last election. Somebody needs to get the word to McConnell/Boehner, et al. This is not a GAME! Our country is going down the tubes but can still be pulled back. These cuts are just a beginning toward getting fiscal sanity restored. If the Rs give up now and compromise with the dems, this dance marathon will never be over.

Kissmygrits on February 25, 2011 at 10:23 AM

The next time we come to DC, I don’t think that they will like it….

rgranger on February 25, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Famous last words, chiseled on the progressive atheist tombstone. As if there’s any hill that Allahpundit wants to die on. That line went flat long ago, Allap., right along with your fetish for Alinsky smears to sooth the brain from actually taking a stand on anything beyond your personal career as a paid saboteur of constitutional conservancy.

maverick muse on February 25, 2011 at 8:50 AM

PWNED!

In light of this latest Allahpundit post, I think it’s time we surrender in Iraq.

fossten on February 25, 2011 at 10:45 AM

If only the GOP had the courage of Andrew Jackson, who said while revoking the charter of the Second Bank of the United States:

Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.

Our debt situation is Washington’s (and the Democrats’) sin. If the GOP doesn’t reign in spending, that will be THEIR sin.

fossten on February 25, 2011 at 10:50 AM

“As Bill Clinton proved, the president has the bully pulpit in these situations, something Newt Gingrich never recovered from,” recalled a GOP Insider.

Has no one bothered to consider the personalities involved then versus now?

Vashta.Nerada on February 25, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Wow, you must have memorized Mein Kampf – as in , how do you spell scapegoat? S E N I O R S Who? The folks that handed you a sane world -the one you’ve corrupted.

Don L on February 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM

What the hell are you talking about? Its not a scapegoat, its a fact. Social security and medicare are the 2 largest federal budget items. AARP is the largest lobbying group in the US. I never said through them in ovens you psycho, i said that as the largest, best funded political constituency they will resist these cuts.

The folks that handed you a sane world -the one you’ve corrupted.

Dude im 27 im not old enough to have corrupted anything, i merely pay the taxes for benefits that seniors gave themselves.

snoopicus on February 25, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Wow, you must have memorized Mein Kampf – as in , how do you spell scapegoat? S E N I O R S Who? The folks that handed you a sane world -the one you’ve corrupted.

Don L on February 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM

BTW dude you basically proved my point which is that anyone who suggest cuts to these programs will labeled a nazi, thats why politicians wont touch it, it will take the IMF/World Bank

snoopicus on February 25, 2011 at 11:02 AM

The folks that handed you a sane world -the one you’ve corrupted.

Don L on February 25, 2011 at 9:46 AM

I inherited an unsustainable pile of debt. Thanks homie!

snoopicus on February 25, 2011 at 11:05 AM

Who gives a dog doo if the government shuts down for a few days or weeks. The only ones that will be bitchin the most are the ones pigging out at the trough. I wish that the spineless repubs would get the idea that we want them to stick to their word and we will support them. Cowards one and all. I do understand the desire to look at the long term reforms but we just do not have the time to pick around the edges with this whole mess. Dig in boys and make the dims blink. The libs hate you already so what more damage could it do to you?

jistincase on February 25, 2011 at 11:21 AM

And another thing. Why would anyone take Goldman Sachs at their word for anything? How much guberment money did they receive?

jistincase on February 25, 2011 at 11:25 AM

fossten on February 25, 2011 at 10:50 AM

Excellent quote. Thanks for posting. I wish we had someone in DC now that had the courage (and common sense) to say something like that.

LegendHasIt on February 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM

bitsy on February 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM

Wow! bitsy, you make such a logical powerful arguement, I’m totally convinced! /sarc. Thanks for playing. (eye roll)
Did I hit a nerve?
My point was that a blanket call to just shut it all down creates unintended consequences and hurt many people who are innocent, be they employees or customers.

Catseye on February 25, 2011 at 11:30 AM

If the only options, at this point, are back down or shut down, then shut it down.

And I say this as someone who will be directly affected.

However, I will add this: when the rest of us are having to suck it up, hunker down, and make sacrifices, WHEN is this going to extend to Congress?? While they’re all busy making the hard decisions, let’s see some personal sacrifice from them, too.

NTXLass on February 25, 2011 at 11:38 AM

“Whether you think you can or think you can’t, you are right.” ~~ Henry Ford

RedPepper on February 25, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Where Hillary/Obama overcharged one voice “RESET” = OOPS…

GOP insiders: “We can’t win, for winning or for losing.”

maverick muse on February 25, 2011 at 12:37 PM

In light of this latest Allahpundit post, I think it’s time we surrender in Iraq.

fossten on February 25, 2011 at 10:45 AM

“Surrender” is certainly not the point of leaving them on their own. Americans would expect that Withdrawal is inevitable at some point. But given the convolution of globalists wearing neoconservative nation building guise, there’s no telling what all is going on.

And at this point, after all of the finest efforts required and performed by our young men and women in service deployed for Iraq, exactly what has the Shiite majority-rules Iraqi “Democratic” theocracy (sectarian Islamists aligned with Iran instead of against it) to show for its own stability, having a decade of America’s blood and taxes under the Iraqi politicians’ belts?

Perhaps Michael Yon is an exception, I haven’t checked his site lately to find out. But no one in the media is covering what Iraqi officials are saying and doing regarding the Islamist revolutionaries throughout the Arabian Peninsula. And what might yet occur in Iraq, even with US Military Peace Keepers, Consultants and mercenaries still there, I don’t even want to consider as Americans beat the war drums again this week. And our Commander in Chief with his Sec./State ex-First Lady evidently contracted the “wrong” company/ferry for Americans trying to leave Libya…confidence in Obama’s job … and GOP Insiders “can’t win” any political discourse/agenda against the most corrupt administration EVER?!!!

maverick muse on February 25, 2011 at 12:54 PM

This crunch time of government shut-down threat is nothing new. It happens repeatedly. So far as shutting down, emergency sessions are called, band aid fix applied until the budget is settled, every time.

Without a real show down, and winning the ’10 electoral platform through Congressional delivery of constitutional/fiscal conservative agenda, the Republicans are date raping American voters and taxpayers.

maverick muse on February 25, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Can’t Republicans do continuing resolutions to fund the federal government on a department-by-department basis? That way we can fund only what we really need?

slickwillie2001 on February 25, 2011 at 2:13 PM

I think it is time for another gathering at the National Mall. Just to repeat the message.

Electrongod on February 24, 2011 at 10:18 PM

I’m in. Torches and Pitchforks this time?

They aren’t listening. Time to SHOUT.

It appears Nov 2010 wasn’t loud enough.

Who is John Galt on February 25, 2011 at 2:40 PM

They think they can win reelection if they show themselves unwilling to do what they were elected to do?

If both your option stink (and they do) and your choices are do do your job and keep your word; or weasel around and drop your responsibilities… which would you rather do?

Time to find out how the GOP really feels about answering that question. Are they willing to take the hit for keeping their word, or will they take the hit for being weaselly useless cowards?

Somehow I’m not optimistic.

gekkobear on February 25, 2011 at 2:43 PM

Oh come on people!! Rome wasnt’ built in a day – oh sure, the GOP has been backing down since they retook the house – but just you wait and see … THEY’RE GONNA SOCK IT TO OLD OBAMA SOON!!

HondaV65 on February 25, 2011 at 5:32 PM

HondaV65 on February 25, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Forgot to add this …

/EXTREME SARCASM!!

HondaV65 on February 25, 2011 at 5:33 PM

I tweeted this earlier, but thought I’d say as much here.. the gop in congress have to snap out of it and get their offense going. It’s not that hard to make the case that the democrats are playing even their union base for fools. As these knuckleheads should be aware by now, the democrats have sold out the working class citizenry, both working poor and middle class, and up into the upper middle class down the river. They use them ’til they aren’t needed and throw them under the bus. Democrats don’t care about citizen workers, or their rights and freedoms. These union fools need to care more about their constitutional rights and freedoms, than the pie in the sky lies made to them by their union locals and national officers.

In my state, the democrat mayor of Providence, RI, the democrat controlled school committee, and so on, just fired all the teachers in the city. The democrat controlled city of Central Falls fired their teachers last year. Democrats all across the country have been facilitating the displacement of union workers by illegal aliens and visa workers, and they’ve been doing the same to teachers as well. Nurses, firefighters, you name it, democrats are displacing them left and right.

Obama and the democrats in the congress would be only too happy to replace all US citizen teachers will foreigners, undereducated, unskilled, substandard teachers, who will dumb our children down even further. Just as the democrats sold out blue collar manufacturing workers, tech workers, et al..

Democrats have sold our families, our children down the river. They’ve burdened struggling cities and towns, most especially poor towns will massive unfunded mandates for expanded ESL, which drained funding for real education, stole art and music education programs, adequate textbooks and math and science teachers who actually had degrees in those subjects, all to pay to teach the children of illegal aliens in Spanish. It’s increased the dropout rates to dizzying heights. Their left wing educational reforms increased illiteracy, they’ve increased crime and poverty, and the tax burdens have and continue to drive jobs out of the country. I’ve really expected better, but too many in the GOP leadership just keep dropping the ball.

Ceolas on February 25, 2011 at 8:23 PM

Obama has been spending like a mad hatter and not on Social Security and Medicare.

If the country club insists the only way to stop bleeding is to take on the original twin entitlements of SSA and Medicare they are fools.

Their job is to stop the spending that caused the public uproar. They stop that and the public might listen another election cycle to talk about the Grand Twin Entitlements

The amount they can attack is huge. A few microseconds ago, they were talking 30 billion, or 100 billion. Suddenly SSA is on the table.

Stop the new IRS hiring. Stop all new grants to study ant colonies. Install hiring freezes. Tell the Post Office to sell the televisions in every lobby. Cut a percent on PBS and any BS, and do it in the name of saving SSA and Medicare.

The regulars in Congress have been there so long they look at pork and see National Investment. It is an addiction and they have to break the habit but not by cutting the Twin Entitlements to hold onto television ads encouraging kiddies to eat their vegetables

The next election cannot come soon enough for me

entagor on February 25, 2011 at 9:50 PM

The cosmetic industry is a 63 billion dollar a year organization and the GOP comes up with a cut that just about equals theirs. Do these politicians really think we live under a rock? Send the site to our Repubs in Washington. http://www.gov.org Give me that red crayon.

mixplix on March 1, 2011 at 11:23 AM

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