Report: U.S. general in Afghanistan ordered “psy ops” against visiting senators
posted at 4:22 pm on February 24, 2011 by Allahpundit
A new scoop from the same Rolling Stone reporter whose story on McChrystal led to a four-star resignation and early retirement. Using psy ops on U.S. citizens is necessarily illegal in a system based on civilian control of the military: If the army can use propaganda to influence domestic debate, then they’re not merely executing policy, they’re slyly helping to set it. This is, then, potentially a big deal provided it’s true. But is it? RS’s source, the lieutenant colonel allegedly tasked by Gen. Caldwell with carrying out the operations, was willing to go on the record and produced proof that he e-mailed a JAG last March with his concerns about the orders he was being given. But he was also investigated and formally reprimanded for other matters by Caldwell’s staff along with another officer. Was that a case of retaliation by the general for exposing the psy ops plan or was it legit, in which case RS’s source may be exaggerating as part of his ax-grinding? (The other officer who was reprimanded insists that they’re being railroaded.)
The other, even more obvious, question: Precisely what did these “psy ops” consist of?
“My job in psy-ops is to play with people’s heads, to get the enemy to behave the way we want them to behave,” says Lt. Colonel Michael Holmes, the leader of the IO [psy ops] unit, who received an official reprimand after bucking orders. “I’m prohibited from doing that to our own people. When you ask me to try to use these skills on senators and congressman, you’re crossing a line.”…
According to Holmes, who attended at least a dozen meetings with Caldwell to discuss the operation, the general wanted the IO unit to do the kind of seemingly innocuous work usually delegated to the two dozen members of his public affairs staff: compiling detailed profiles of the VIPs, including their voting records, their likes and dislikes, and their “hot-button issues.” In one email to Holmes, Caldwell’s staff also wanted to know how to shape the general’s presentations to the visiting dignitaries, and how best to “refine our messaging.”…
According to Holmes, the general wanted the IO team to provide a “deeper analysis of pressure points we could use to leverage the delegation for more funds.” The general’s chief of staff also asked Holmes how Caldwell could secretly manipulate the U.S. lawmakers without their knowledge. “How do we get these guys to give us more people?” he demanded. “What do I have to plant inside their heads?”
According to experts on intelligence policy, asking a psy-ops team to direct its expertise against visiting dignitaries would be like the president asking the CIA to put together background dossiers on congressional opponents…
It wasn’t the first time that Caldwell had tried to tear down the wall that has historically separated public affairs and psy-ops – the distinction the military is supposed to maintain between “informing” and “influencing.” After a stint as the top U.S. spokesperson in Iraq, the general pushed aggressively to expand the military’s use of information operations. During his time as a commander at Ft. Leavenworth, Caldwell argued for exploiting new technologies like blogging and Wikipedia – a move that would widen the military’s ability to influence the public, both foreign and domestic.
Supposedly the IO team was told to make this its highest priority, even above spreading propaganda in Afghanistan, with the episode culminating in one of Caldwell’s spokesmen screaming at Holmes in vintage Col. Jessup fashion, “It’s not illegal if I say it isn’t!” Petraeus’s spokesman said today that they’ve opened an investigation but noted that there’s no legal “firewall” preventing an IO officer from performing normal staff duties, which lands us smack dab in the middle of trying to distinguish normal PR from psy ops. Does PR towards a visiting dignitary become “psy ops” simply because a psy ops person is doing it or do specific techniques need to be used, like brainwashing or “disinformation” (i.e. lying), to qualify? The latter’s clearly unacceptable but the former is tricky since even garden variety spin is a (weak) way of trying to influence policy. Do we really want military officers feeding McCain etc “talking points” in lieu of simply answering questions?
An aide to Caldwell tells Danger Room that Holmes wasn’t working as an IO officer when he was asked to deal with visiting pols, but apparently he had worked for Caldwell in that capacity at other times. Hmmm. Here’s Jack Reed, one of the “targeted” senators, echoing a point made this morning by another targeted senator, Carl Levin: He’s not going to get rolled by the brass because he knows these issues too well and talks to other people on the ground and elsewhere for a fuller perspective. Not an excuse for Caldwell et al. if the psy ops allegations are true, but there’s at least some comfort in the likelihood that they didn’t work.
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huh, what? Putting together a persuasive presentation is illegal?
joeindc44 on February 24, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Looking at these senators, you have to consider this: These are Ds. You have to have a mind before you can be susceptible to mind games.
either orr on February 24, 2011 at 4:26 PM
Can’t they drop this reporter off at a Taliban stronghold with a few Mohammad cartoons hanging around his neck?
What would they have done with a clown like this in WWII?
Hening on February 24, 2011 at 4:27 PM
As I said in the headlines last night.
BS.
The only “PsyOps” here is Obama trying to sew more distrust of the military.
Skywise on February 24, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Democrats: “We were brainwashed by the military to go into Iraq and Afghanistan!!!11!!!”
portlandon on February 24, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Uh….sounds just like a business proposal meeting I was in earlier this week.
For the uninformed, this isn’t PsyOps. This is called putting together a dog and pony show.
Tell’em what you want them to hear, and make it sound like it was their idea.
Sheesh.
BobMbx on February 24, 2011 at 4:29 PM
Well, well, another attack on the Military. Who saw that coming?
sandee on February 24, 2011 at 4:31 PM
“I need to know what they’re all about: blondes, brunettes, boys? Do they need any women’s shoes in men’s sizes, Scotch or bourbon, you know, just to get a better idea of how to
handleimpress them…”Akzed on February 24, 2011 at 4:32 PM
YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I ORDERED THE CODE RED!
search4truth on February 24, 2011 at 4:32 PM
-MSNBC is screaming the loudest about it.
-Source from the Rolling Stone.
I’ll wait for the Enquirer to investigate.
HornetSting on February 24, 2011 at 4:33 PM
So…the media knows Clinton did this…right? Yes with the FBI…but no functional difference from the CIA in this regard…
18-1 on February 24, 2011 at 4:34 PM
You got there first. Nice.
HornetSting on February 24, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Then get administrative staff to do it. Don’t pull psy-ops off of work in the field in Afghanistan to have them do it. This is, at best, a misdirection of skills and resources.
dieudonne on February 24, 2011 at 4:35 PM
U.S. Army Civil Affairs and
Psychological Operations
===========================
http://www.psywarrior.com/psyop.html
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Here’s an example of PsyOps.
In the first Gulf War, the PsyWar guys came up with a plan to demoralize and attrite the enemy.
On the first night of the op, they dropped a Daisycutter (BLU-82) bomb on an Iraqi defensive position near the Saudi border. It resembles a nuclear weapon, forming a mushroom cloud. (The Brits thought is was a nuke) In the flat desert, it is lethal for a long way out. On the day after, the PsyOps guys flew up and down the line dropping leaflets that explained what had happened the night before, and that tonight another one, just like it, would be dropped somewhere.
Later that day, a large number of Iraqi soldiers who were starving, thirsty, and out of contact with their commanders back in Bahgdad, got up and started walking north.
That is how you get inside somebody’s head.
BobMbx on February 24, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Sprinkle in a few “paradigm shifts”,”outside the boxes” and “Win-Wins” and your terrifying psy-ops suddenly becomes moldy sales cliches. Moving on.
Cuffy Meigs on February 24, 2011 at 4:36 PM
And how is this different from manipulating jobs numbers every month to make your admin look it is helping the nation?
jeffn21 on February 24, 2011 at 4:37 PM
Maybe the poor reps and senators should stay out of the game, if they don’t want to play.
Christien on February 24, 2011 at 4:37 PM
These aren’t the Taliban you’re looking for…
Caper29 on February 24, 2011 at 4:37 PM
How dare they practice politics when meeting with politicians!
slickwillie2001 on February 24, 2011 at 4:37 PM
Leave it to Rolling Stone to weave another anti-military story.
onlineanalyst on February 24, 2011 at 4:38 PM
It’s called “inception”…
WisCon on February 24, 2011 at 4:38 PM
I bet they were staring at goats too.
Free Constitution on February 24, 2011 at 4:40 PM
Rolling Stone, huh?
GarandFan on February 24, 2011 at 4:40 PM
The military is the last remaining bastion of integrity, honesty and courage and the slimy left is doing everything in their power to subvert its image.
rplat on February 24, 2011 at 4:41 PM
I disagree. I believe this is an effective use of available resources and personnel, it shows an ability to think outside the box, a dedication to the mission, and put the needs of the ground soldiers above anything else.
Sounds like a darn nifty commander to me.
But, you’re right. He should have gotten them drunk, took exploitable photos of them with hot women, and then simply blackmailed them into whatever he wanted.
That’s the American way, eh?
BobMbx on February 24, 2011 at 4:42 PM
It’s only psy ops if you blare The Ride of the Valkyries while you’re doing it.
Cicero43 on February 24, 2011 at 4:43 PM
Rolling Stone is the most far left Marxist publication in the country.
faraway on February 24, 2011 at 4:43 PM
Welcome to the official Web page of the U.S. Army Civil Affairs & Psychological Operations Command (Airborne).
http://www.usacapoc.army.mil/
==============================
4th Psychological Operations Group (Airborne)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/4psyopgp.htm
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 4:43 PM
“Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.” – Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals.
Roy Rogers on February 24, 2011 at 4:44 PM
hmmph. no comment.
ted c on February 24, 2011 at 4:44 PM
So, now a General that is tasked with killing enemy and breaking things cannot figure out a way to”market” his product to the people who control the purse strings. As long as he is not lieing about his product, what is the problem. Seems to me the real problem are the PC officers that infest our military whose minds are addled as to what their job is.
retiredeagle on February 24, 2011 at 4:44 PM
The NYT for the “young” and “hip” socialists.
Roy Rogers on February 24, 2011 at 4:45 PM
Well,jeez,Al Franklin is a given,
and the US Military Jedi tricks,
probably would of straightened him
out!!
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Brains would be nice.
malclave on February 24, 2011 at 4:46 PM
It’s past time to get out of Afghanistan. Sure, we might be able to achieve some level of success in 5, 10, maybe 20 years but the opportunity cost I doubt is worth it.
Free Constitution on February 24, 2011 at 4:46 PM
note to flag officers.
avoid Rolling Stone.
ted c on February 24, 2011 at 4:47 PM
No. Not even close.
Try here.
BobMbx on February 24, 2011 at 4:47 PM
When I first read about this yesterday, I figured this was partly true. They brief Congressmen and Senators and will probably paint a rosier than reality picture and so probably highlight were the “needs” are in an effort to get support for their mission. This isn’t psy ops, this is marketing, getting buy-n, etc. These Generals are trained in Leadership skills and one leadership skill is presentation skills – which is not just how you speak, but how you present information. Every high level professional has been trained in this. Including the Congressmen and Senators who visit the area. They are used to the snow-job.
About Caldwell – I took him as a guy with an over-inflated sense of importance. Like he has watched too many Hollywood movies as his training on how to be a General (or the author of this article has watched too many bad Hollywood movies – cuz that’s how the article reads).
Either way, I suspect this is a lot to do about nothing.
ramrants on February 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM
Wait a tick,maybe this was an intervention,after the November Elections,when Liberal Senators were suicidal,
and needed Mental Health Counciling,that was suggested
by the DNC!!!
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM
How can you do psy ops on the already deluded?
RedRedRice on February 24, 2011 at 4:49 PM
But,um……Liberals are pure as the wind driven snow,they
are all above this I would imagine!!(sarc).
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 4:50 PM
All,
First, IO and PSYOP (the military doesn’t call it PSYOP anymore, it is now MISO) are NOT the same thing, and Holmes knows that. The National Guard does not have PSYOP units (though the Reserve does). Holmes is Functional Area 30 (information operations) trained – he is NOT trained in PSYOP/MISO operations, and PSYOP/MISO is not in his job description. Holmes knows this, but is playing fast and loose with these words (and using the old term PSYOP because he knows it carries baggage) knowing that the general public won’t know the difference. Do not worry – we were not missing any of our PSYOP/MISO capabilities in the field – Holmes just has an inflated sense of his own importance. Caldwell had Holmes do his job – nothing more. The fact that Congress is leaving this to the Army to investigate and not taking it on themselves as they love to do means that they know full well there is no there there, but have to play the optics of it and have someone being seen as “looking into it”
datroy on February 24, 2011 at 4:51 PM
If they are going to investigate the military, I want an investigation into Barry and his psy ops against every voter with an IQ of 70 or less that he mindf*cked into voting for him.
Until then, go spit senators.
HornetSting on February 24, 2011 at 4:52 PM
O/T
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Shuttle launch
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Streaming
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 4:53 PM
I disagree on the” lot to do about nothing.” Most polls[do not ask me to show one, I just remember seeing them a while back] that are taken these days show that the military is right up there on the top of the list for trust of the American people. This drives libs crazy. It is the last bastion of American excellence and goodness,,it has to be taken down and destroyed at all costs. Part of the plan.
retiredeagle on February 24, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Powerpoint Rangers.
Slow news day?
Not like there’s any other world shaking events going on.
Middle east? Imperial Executive Branch orders to DoJ?
Nothing to see here, move along…
Jimmy Doolittle on February 24, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Heh… obviously this is what they used on Pelosi… which is why she can’t remember voting for the use of waterboarding…
See? Perfect Alibi… THEY did it to ME!
Skywise on February 24, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Ah, Hornet beat me to it.
I guess the WH and the MSM can continue their Phy Ops operations in the US against American citizens though. No problem there…
RedbonePro on February 24, 2011 at 4:55 PM
ROFLMAO I thought AP was an adult.
The only people who don’t do their homework and try to tailor their messages according to the audience to further their objectives as business people, students, or soldiers or fricken shomakers are children and lazy fools. To think these people posses special powers to place thoughts in peoples head’s magically is so fricken funny it’s sad.
TheBigOldDog on February 24, 2011 at 4:56 PM
O/T I just space from my backyard!! Discovery lift off.
Cindy Munford on February 24, 2011 at 4:57 PM
mindf*cked into voting for him.
Until then, go spit senators.
HornetSting on February 24, 2011 at 4:52 PM
HornetSting:Lol,good one Stingette!!:)
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 4:58 PM
O/T I just space from my backyard!! Discovery lift off.
Cindy Munford on February 24, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Cindy Munford:It was sooo cool,I have the NASA streaming
Linky above!!:)
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 5:00 PM
It seems to me that wikileaks is more likely a psy -ops than this made up stuff by junior staff. Like he said, his job is to play with people’s heads so he’s playing with his senior chain of command’s head. Will get to see where that takes him GRIN. People who have spent any time in the Military understands how political it can get in the ranks.
Reporters and News People just take Julian Ass’ange at his word for what he is about with wikileaks – I guess it’s an attractive narrative so they accept wikileaks at face value…but look how wikileaks was rolled out, the “actors” and the effect on our foreign policy. Wikileaks leaked embarrassing information – some of it isn’t even legit. Was there really anything that damning? Seems to me wikileaks is pys- ops, the question is what “Entity” is behind wikileaks?
Dr Evil on February 24, 2011 at 5:01 PM
This is a perfect example of the enemy within. Rolling Stone IS THE ENEMY!
Do not believe ANYTHING printed or derived from the ENEMY at any time!
Who is investigating the author of this ‘story’? What is the background of this ‘author’?
Freddy on February 24, 2011 at 5:04 PM
Wait? Why are we launching a shuttle into space? There’s no muslims to outreach to in space… /s
To our brave astronauts…be safe and we’ll see you on the flipside.
HornetSting on February 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 5:00 PM
Wait? Why are we launching a shuttle into space? There’s no muslims to outreach to in space… /s
To our brave astronauts…be safe and we’ll see you on the flipside.
HornetSting on February 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM
HornetSting: Mars Muslims!!!!!!:)
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM
The Husband and I act like it’s the first every time. Our next door neighbors have two little guys and they watch the take off on TV then run out back and watch in the sky. As far away as we are, it’s just a bright dot and a vapor trail but we are easily amused.
Cindy Munford on February 24, 2011 at 5:14 PM
Lucky duck!
I have mixed feelings watching the video…always love seeing the liftoffs, but so sad that this is our last foray into space.
Dark-Star on February 24, 2011 at 5:16 PM
A general asks one somebody with a media background to help prepare a briefing?
“THAT’S IT; HE’S A WITCH! BUUURRRNNN HIMMM!”
Seriously, this is about as “evil” as asking an EOD guy to fix a light switch.
logis on February 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM
A good marketing plan molds the message to the customer. I’ve even heard that sometimes lobbyists may be involved in something like this, although cash in a brown paper bag may not be quite as subtle..
a capella on February 24, 2011 at 5:17 PM
So that whole palin thing (pick one) is a version of psyops then. When does the investigation start?
Greed on February 24, 2011 at 5:19 PM
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 5:00 PM HornetSting on February 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM
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The Husband and I act like it’s the first every time. Our next door neighbors have two little guys and they watch the take off on TV then run out back and watch in the sky. As far away as we are, it’s just a bright dot and a vapor trail but we are easily amused.
Cindy Munford on February 24, 2011 at 5:14 PM
Cindy Munford:Pure raw power,awesome,I too never get tired
of it either,hey,was this the last flight!
If so,we watched History in da making!:)
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 5:19 PM
Wait. Politicians use psy-ops against U.S. citizens every day, but the military can’t use it against politicians? That doesn’t seem fair…
joejm65 on February 24, 2011 at 5:21 PM
This reminds me of a couple of years ago when the progs had their knickers all in a twist because the US military was paying local journalists in Iraq to write favorable stories in Iraqi publications.
slickwillie2001 on February 24, 2011 at 5:24 PM
You have to admit though, this is perfectly tailored to Rolling Stone’s audience.
If somebody in a US military uniform did it (even if “it” is something as incredibly innocuous as putting together a slide presentation) then it must SOMEHOW be part of a gigantically evil conspiracy to destroy the world.
logis on February 24, 2011 at 5:25 PM
Visited florida years ago. Girfriend and i sitting in a diner. On a tv they were showing the count down. I went outside to get a see. Bright dot, vapor trail. Even though it was far away i was excited.
Greed on February 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
winston on February 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Hahaha you should see that D-Bag Chris Matthews talk about this. This guy knows as much about the military, psyops, public affairs, etc. as he does about politics (Jack and sh*t). Nothing pisses me off more than when a dumbass civilian pretend he/she is an authority on the military (the Army specifically), and has never served a day in his life. Furthermore, he sounds like a retard trying to analyze this, stating it’s a f*cking “Manchurian Candidate” case. Please…if the Army had the ability to plant a chip in someone’s brain and control them, it would’ve been done already.
Shock the Monkey on February 24, 2011 at 5:29 PM
When I had hormones, I could psyop the he!! out of people. ;) LOL
I dunno. I won’t take Rolling Stone as a legitimate news source, and there’s to many variables here. Seems to me, a few liberal officers are trying to create a storm in a bottle…and in the end, it will be a fail!
capejasmine on February 24, 2011 at 5:29 PM
canopfor on February 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM
Marslums ? Hey.
pambi on February 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM
And they kept quoting a figure of like three hundred million dollars a year — assuming that the entire US military media budget goes toward bribing a couple of sand-bloggers to say it’s theoretically possible that (lie of all lies!) America might not really be the Great Satan and Cause Of All That’s Evil In The World.
logis on February 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM
Who cares!
I would trust our military before I would trust our
politicians. Without a doubt, most of our politicians
are a bunch of ignorant asshats.
While military men and women are some of American’s finest.
Amjean on February 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM
Where is the post about Palin going to India on March 19th
Amjean on February 24, 2011 at 5:35 PM
Oh right. Holmes is just a whistle blower. Sign him up quick AP. HA needs a constant resupply of trolls.
Caststeel on February 24, 2011 at 5:36 PM
Plus you have to examine the source. For a Lt. Colonel or any officer for that matter, a general officer letter of reprimand is a career ender. If this guy was under 20 years for retirement, well then he’d defintely be motivated for some payback. However, if he got a letter of reprimand because of disobeying the order…well…
Shock the Monkey on February 24, 2011 at 5:37 PM
You mean like J. Edgar Hoover did, like the Clinton’s opposition research team did? Like what’s being done to Sarah Palin, PsyWarOps like that, like what we see on the blogs from all the manufactured trolls, something like that. Something like what the democrats have been doing for the last twenty five years, is that what we’re talking about here?
Skandia Recluse on February 24, 2011 at 5:38 PM
If this is considered “psy ops” imagine what liberals think of recruiting commercials.
Howcome on February 24, 2011 at 5:42 PM
FWIW, I think Caldwell’s use of the IO unit for this was questionable judgment. But RS implying that the whole idea of making the best case possible to visiting lawmakers is somehow nefarious? That’s juvenile and moronic.
Caldwell should have compiled the info he wanted from the tried and true sources: an informal network of his associates inside the ring; his next senior in the chain of command; his staff department heads and their contacts, who would know a lot about how Congress is handling the programs that matter to their communities.
Tasking the IO folks to do the work smacks of applying their warfare discipline improperly. Just get the job done the old-fashioned way.
J.E. Dyer on February 24, 2011 at 5:51 PM
How old is this General Caldwell? I remember a Captain Caldwell when I was in ROTC. He was later disciplined for abusing the ROTC corps that went advanced during their summer training at Camp Lejune. He was a gung ho koo koo but it couldn’t be the same guy could it? What are the odds?
shmendrick on February 24, 2011 at 5:52 PM
A hundred times worse. It’s not that the people who read Rolling Stone might be “psychically tricked” into enlisting – even if they tried.
But if the bong smoke happens to clear while the recruiting commercial is playing, they might figure out it’s not an ad for some “uuber cool” new computer game. And, man, that’s like a total bummer, dude.
logis on February 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM
It was a beautiful launch. Perfect weather.
Del Dolemonte on February 24, 2011 at 6:08 PM
It’s no different. Our military’s task is to bring Hope and Change to Afghanistan! What’s so wrong with a little white lie if it leads to progress?
Rae on February 24, 2011 at 7:11 PM
Why Did the U.S. Military Buy 500 Fake Internet Personas?
Rae on February 24, 2011 at 7:23 PM
Psy-ops are only illegal for use on civilians if the operators can also kill goats by staring at them.
Beldar on February 24, 2011 at 7:47 PM
You could rattle around for a long time in a senator’s head and not bump into anything on which your psy-op could find purchase. But it must be effective. The army wouldn’t do anything unless they were pretty sure it would work. Mm hm.
curved space on February 24, 2011 at 7:52 PM
Questions for the RS reporter!
How do you know he’s not using psy-ops in this story?
He’s got you to write this story he’s playing you like a whatever.
This sounds like a “sea story”, did it start out as “this is no $hit”?
Errr righhhhht, sure, a “rider”, BTW that should be easy to check, did you check?
Righttttttttttttt, considering one’s training will be at a new location odds are the first things you will learn are
Where is your barracks
Where is the Mess (EDF)
Where the E-club, NCO – club and O- club are located
Then where the training building is.
In that order.
BTW, did it ever occur to you that your being set up as retaliation for the McChrystal hit piece?
So far what you are describing is know as “a dog and pony show” It means the same in the military as it does in the civilian world.
McCain, Lieberman, your not going to fool these two.
Adm. Mike Mullen, same as McCain, Lieberman.
Jack Reed, don’t know who he is.
Al Franken?
Seriously what would psy-ops for Franken be?
DSchoen on February 24, 2011 at 7:58 PM
Psy.
(Phonetically.)
profitsbeard on February 24, 2011 at 8:09 PM
Rolling Stone takes you average American’s ignorance and uses it against them.
IO and PSY OPS aren’t always the same thing.
Hell this guy was the chief of NATO Training Mission and spent time narrating videos
http://wn.com/Kabul's_Bala_Hissar_Narrated_by_Lt_Col_Mike_Holmes
LincolntheHun on February 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM
No brainwashing involved, a light rinse, but definitely no brainwashing of Democrat members of the Senate.
patch on February 24, 2011 at 9:23 PM
I know and have worked with LTC Mike Holmes personally in Sierra Vista, AZ. We both worked for the same company. I know him as a stand up guy who has integrity and sincerely looked out for the welfare of his people. I do not trust the press but I am not naive enough to believe everyone in uniform is always ethical. After serving 23 years on active duty I can relate a few “questionable” moments. It seems a lot of folks here are running their mouths who have ZERO experience in the trenches. Do you people really believe some of the dribble you are saying about this officer who stood his ground? We hung a bunch of Nazis after WWII whose defense was “I was following orders”. Now some of you are belittling a man for refusing what he knew to be an illegal order. I suggest you armchair warriors shut the hell up until the facts are clear. Nuff said.
usarmyretired on February 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM
Even “psy-ops” on the local populations is seldom anything more than presenting truthful information deemed important to the mission.
For example, dropping papers on villages that say that the American infantry operating in the area are there to protect them – not attack them.
Or radio broadcasts that offer locals amnesty for turning over weapons.
Stuff like that. I really don’t understand why anyone would get freaked out by this.
blink on February 25, 2011 at 1:25 AM
We have some really anti-American Generals. Probably trying to ‘Psy-ops’ the gullible congress critters into thinking Islamic Nation Building in Afghanistan is a brilliant idea and going just swimmingly.
Murphy9 on February 25, 2011 at 2:11 AM
I have worked with Information Operations (IO) guys while deployed. It is a specialty within PSYOPS. It is important to note the differences between IO and propaganda. It was put to me this way. Just like propaganda, IO is meant to influence behavior. The key difference is that in IO everything we (the US) says is TRUE, and we (the US) TAKE CREDIT for everything we say. There is no deception or manipulation. If you wanted to deceive someone to defeat your enemy get the regular PSYOPS guys to do it. If you want to shape the message and build credibility, you use IO.
BadBrad on February 25, 2011 at 4:52 AM
By that definition, nearly everything the liberal media say constitutes psyops.
There is no problem in the world with having bias. The problem is that liberals constantly, massively and systematically LIE about their bias.
logis on February 25, 2011 at 9:32 AM
Actually, Senator Reed is a graduate of West Point, the United States Military Academy that is.
Steve Barton on February 25, 2011 at 12:15 PM