Wisconsin licensing board reviewing doctors’ notes from protestors

posted at 12:15 pm on February 23, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Call it karma, just desserts, or schadenfreude.  The cost to taxpayers of doctors’ notes excusing Wisconsin teachers from work so that they don’t get fired for illegally walking out on classes has been estimated at $6 million.  Watching Big Government crack down on Big Labor?  Priceless:

Staff at the state Department of Regulation and Licensing have begun to review roughly 300 e-mail complaints about doctors issuing excuse notes for protesters at the state Capitol over the weekend, officials said Tuesday.

Complaints that name a specific doctor and the alleged violations of rules covered by their licenses will be forwarded to the Wisconsin Medical Examining Board. Letters specifying the complaint will be sent to the doctors at the start of the investigation. ….

Officials with the Madison and Milwaukee school districts also plan to scrutinize doctor’s notes presented to excuse absences during the protests. Because of the large number of teacher absences, Madison schools were closed for four days, and Milwaukee schools were closed for one.

Meanwhile, those notes may not help some of the teachers keep their jobs anyway.  If Democrats don’t return to the state Senate by Friday, Governor Scott Walker will order layoffs from lists that districts have already been advised to prepare:

Public school officials are being advised to approve preliminary layoff notices for staff by the end of the month, before many of them usually contemplate workforce reductions and before they know how much money they can raise for the next school year.

Buried in this report is an explanation of why Walker wants to reform PEU collective bargaining rights at the state level in order to gain control of costs:

Wisconsin law requires that school districts provide final notice by March 15 to individual staff members that their contracts will not be renewed for the following school year. The law also requires that staff receive preliminary notice of the potential layoff at least 15 days before the deadline for final notice.

But the state’s collective bargaining law has allowed school boards to reach agreements with their employees that delay that deadline, said Barry Forbes, a staff attorney for the Wisconsin Association of School Boards. Often school boards also persuade their employees to waive the deadlines until the districts have a better idea of what their budget might look like for the following year.

Now, with the governor’s proposed bill that would allow districts to only bargain over wage issues with their employees, those bargained deadlines could be wiped out when most existing contracts end by the middle of this year, Forbes said.

The current collective-bargaining law creates a hodgepodge of contract terms on pensions and benefits as well as wages, which makes it difficult for the state and the localities to control costs.  Walker wants a uniform approach to collective bargaining that gives counties, cities, and school districts much more leeway to address cost issues and keep budgets in line.  Since the state will have to curtail revenue support to counties and cities as the money simply isn’t there any longer, they will need those tools more than ever.

That’s a prescription for fiscal sanity.  Too bad the doctors on the streets of Madison are instead endorsing budgetary obesity.


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Doctors who signed those notes, should get their medical licenses revoked.

Done.

Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 12:18 PM

I fear the prank phone call damaged Walker’s message. I hope not.

andy85719 on February 23, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Will that be the next stall? These districts refusing to comply with providing the lists of teachers to axe?

catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Doctors who signed those notes, should get their medical licenses revoked.

Done.

Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 12:18 PM

And the teachers who attempt to use them should be fired.

Oldnuke on February 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Not one darn thing will happen to these doctors and this story disappears down the memory hole in 5…4….3

Knucklehead on February 23, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Doctors who signed those notes, should get their medical licenses revoked.

Done.

Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 12:18 PM
And the teachers who attempt to use them should be fired.

Oldnuke on February 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM

+10000000

milwife88 on February 23, 2011 at 12:22 PM

The proposals are in fact very reasonable, the response from unions and democrats-not so much. The truth is, they see the death of their golden goose of campaign financing for the foreseeable future and they are panicking.

No longer will the public be forced to finance democrat elections.

Mord on February 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM

They’ll get a slap on the hand and display it proudly.

Blake on February 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM

just desserts

Sorry, Ed. I have to correct you for the second time in as many days.

KingGold on February 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM

And the teachers who attempt to use them should be fired.

Oldnuke on February 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Providence plans to pink slip all teachers

Old and busted – teachers unions.
The new hotness – firing them all.

Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM

I’m sorry, but I’m not seeing the connection. Are you suggesting that people who use the fake notes will be layed off?

I believe they do it on seniority in WI.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM

It will come back to bit them in the butt in any future lawsuits against them because they have demonstrated their willingness to falsify medical records.

Blake on February 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/uw-health-scrubs-disgraced-protest-doctor-profiles-from-website/

The doctors profiles are disappearing from the UW health system website. Gateway pundit has the before and after shots. check it out.

the system. is. working.

ted c on February 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM

I fear the prank phone call damaged Walker’s message. I hope not.

andy85719 on February 23, 2011 at 12:19 PM

I listened. He didn’t contradict anything that he’s said publicly.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM

I posted this in the IN story, but the IN Dems have now issued a LIST of demands in response to Daniels statement.

LOL*

Talk about backfiring on him.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

I fear the prank phone call damaged Walker’s message. I hope not.

andy85719 on February 23, 2011 at 12:19 PM

I actually listened to the audio recording, and amazingly he didn’t once say something different in private than he has said in public.

The odd of capturing Walker on a prank call would normally lead one to believe that there was a 95% chance he would embarrass himself.

Looks like Walker escaped with the remaining 5%. My respect for him just doubled.

Indy82 on February 23, 2011 at 12:30 PM

I’m sorry, but I’m not seeing the connection. Are you suggesting that people who use the fake notes will be layed off?

I believe they do it on seniority in WI.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM

The teachers that use the fake notes should be fired, regardless of seniority. Its called fraud. They have intentionally and knowingly defrauded the state to the tune of at least $6 million.

The doctors should also lose their license. At the very least they are guilty of conspiracy to commit fraud.

catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Fire the liberal teachers.

faraway on February 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM

The teachers that use the fake notes should be fired, regardless of seniority. Its called fraud. They have intentionally and knowingly defrauded the state to the tune of at least $6 million.

The doctors should also lose their license. At the very least they are guilty of conspiracy to commit fraud.

catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Maybe there’s an insubordination clause in the civil service code.

I really don’t know, but I still don’t see the connection about the doctors being investigated by their own professional oversight group.

Are you thinking that information will be exchanged on this?

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Slightly O/T:

Senate approves repealing racial profiling bill

The Senate voted 19-0 to repeal requirements that law enforcement collect data from traffic stops in an attempt to ascertain whether there is any racial profiling going on.

The bill also repeals a requirement that law enforcement academies train recruits on avoiding racial profiling.

WisRich on February 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Fire the liberal teachers.

faraway on February 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM

That would be pretty much all of them…..

sandee on February 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Indy82 on February 23, 2011 at 12:30 PM


Even MSN is admitting there’s nothing on the tape really. It also proves that he clearly has no personal relationship with Koch. That is THE favorite progressive smear story right now, anyway.

This call sort of blows that theory out of the water.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Buried in this report is an explanation of why Walker wants to reform PEU collective bargaining rights at the state level in order to gain control of costs:

Often school boards also persuade their employees to waive the deadlines until the districts have a better idea of what their budget might look like for the following year.

Almost all teachers get these notifications every year as a matter of routine so the school district can cover it’s own ass. Is anyone else confused as to how this quoted text makes sense? The State requires to you to determine if you’re going to fire or hire teachers before you make the budget? How does that make ANY sense? The fact that the deadline has since been pushed back is how it should have been all along.

I’m not sure where Ed is getting the idea that this legislation has anything to do with school boards. Walker et al keep claiming that they need to have deep, deep cuts in education (remember, this is 3 weeks AFTER signing large tax-cuts), but won’t explain why this effects the local level, except to say “flexibility”. Local administrations never requested these kinds of changes, and never needed them. We have tons of meetings in New York every year where the school board says “accept pay cuts or we fire your friends”, and our laws are even more union-friendly. This is all hogwash.

For fun, here’s the WI majority leader talking in circles and not answering questions. The one about Obamacare is particularly amusing!

Rainsford on February 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Go walker go. He needs to keep harping on this

Be more specific to the media

cmsinaz on February 23, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Good street creds for those docs. Making their bones, so to speak. If worse comes to worse, which I doubt, I’m sure some new union jobs may be created which require a MD. Power to the people!

a capella on February 23, 2011 at 12:37 PM

I’m sorry, but I’m not seeing the connection. Are you suggesting that people who use the fake notes will be layed off?

I believe they do it on seniority in WI.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM
The teachers that use the fake notes should be fired, regardless of seniority. Its called fraud. They have intentionally and knowingly defrauded the state to the tune of at least $6 million.

The doctors should also lose their license. At the very least they are guilty of conspiracy to commit fraud.

catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:30 PM

True – but Annin is pointing out a gross “collective bargaining” benefit for WI (and most) public school teachers: Tenure trumps performance, even criminal actions. Its why teachers are placed on “paid leave” – to the tune of 5+ years in a NYC rubber room. Its why kids are failing in class. Its why unions have a stronghold. And its why WI teachers, Dems and all union members are freaking the f out right now.

Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 12:38 PM

I feel a slapped wrist comin on for the MDs

cmsinaz on February 23, 2011 at 12:38 PM

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

I don’t think I’m understanding your question.

Are you saying the doctors shouldn’t be investigated for what looks like, as I said, conspiracy to commit fraud?

catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:38 PM

Rainsford on February 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Did you ever really check out those tax cuts? He granted waivers for taxes for 2 years to any new business moving to WI.

That’s the upshot. Why would anyone object to that is beyond me.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM

The doctors should also lose their license. At the very least they are guilty of conspiracy to commit fraud.

catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:30 PM

RICO their a$$es now!

VegasRick on February 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM

Are you saying the doctors shouldn’t be investigated for what looks like, as I said, conspiracy to commit fraud?

catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:38 PM

I think that’s up to the state licensing board. They are self-governing.

My question was why this was linked to the layoffs planned.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Some years ago, at our annual convention, (attended by about 30.000), they used to have a guy with a booth who sold fake receipts for cabs, restaurants and he had a cash register with a tape that he would punch up any number you wanted. The guy actually bought a booth. Several of the companies, which had employees there complained this was fraud and the convention threw the guy out. This is no different, except it is wasting public dollars as people are paid for not being sick. Any teacher who wants to know what its like to actually be sick is welcome to accompany me to the Oncology ward with my wife tomorrow. After seeing what those people go through, no one would ever wish to be sick again. This is absolutely disgusting.

flyoverland on February 23, 2011 at 12:42 PM

I really don’t know, but I still don’t see the connection about the doctors being investigated by their own professional oversight group.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Because when they sign doctor’s notes excusing people from work, they are stating based on their professional opinion that the people are sick. If the people aren’t sick and the doctor knows this and signs the note excusing them anyway, they are committing fraud. Medical fraud. It’s a HUGE deal and causes many a doctor to lose their license.

These doctors are committing HUGE ethical and moral breaches with signing fraudulent notes and deserve to lose their licenses and all rights to practise medicine.

///Medical Fraud investigator rant off….

mjk on February 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Almost all teachers get these notifications every year as a matter of routine so the school district can cover it’s own ass.

No. But you can bet they will them every year from now on. And, they’ll have their Union to thank. I wonder if they’ll ever figure that out.

jeanie on February 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Almost all teachers get these notifications every year as a matter of routine so the school district can cover it’s own ass. Is anyone else confused as to how this quoted text makes sense? The State requires to you to determine if you’re going to fire or hire teachers before you make the budget? How does that make ANY sense? The fact that the deadline has since been pushed back is how it should have been all along.

I’m not sure where Ed is getting the idea that this legislation has anything to do with school boards. Walker et al keep claiming that they need to have deep, deep cuts in education (remember, this is 3 weeks AFTER signing large tax-cuts), but won’t explain why this effects the local level, except to say “flexibility”. Local administrations never requested these kinds of changes, and never needed them. We have tons of meetings in New York every year where the school board says “accept pay cuts or we fire your friends”, and our laws are even more union-friendly. This is all hogwash.

For fun, here’s the WI majority leader talking in circles and not answering questions. The one about Obamacare is particularly amusing!

Rainsford on February 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

Sorry fella, but the “tons of meetings you have in NY” – do not result in School Boards saying “except pay cuts or we will fire your friends” – because within the union contracts they cant be fired.

And NY is the worst so-called example of this, being they famously keep teachers in rubber rooms, with pay – due to tenure and/or union contracts. Even more famous… only 3 Manhattam P.S. teachers have been fired in 10 years…

And if you dont know how the local economy is effected by local school boards, local teachers and unions – within a local tax base from the State Gov and Legislator down … you are lost out of the gate.

But you sound like a NYS educator, so I am not surprised by your ignorance and lying.

Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

These doctors are committing HUGE ethical and moral breaches with signing fraudulent notes and deserve to lose their licenses and all rights to practise medicine.

///Medical Fraud investigator rant off….

mjk on February 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM

From a state prosecution standpoint? Filing fraud charges for the sick leave taken would be penny-wise and pound-foolish to me.

This is a matter of ethics, which is handled by the state licening board.

I can’t see them actually stripping a doctor of his license over this, can you? A reprimand, maybe.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Any teacher who wants to know what its like to actually be sick is welcome to accompany me to the Oncology ward with my wife tomorrow. ….

flyoverland on February 23, 2011 at 12:42 PM

I infer from this that your wife has cancer. Very sorry to hear it. Prayers going up for all.

Mary in LA on February 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Some congressman on an NIH oversight committee should hold a hearing on what grants have been made to UofW, and, in particular, in the family practice dept. That would encourage a very rapid clean up of a department that clearly has gone off the rails. If the medical school becomes worried about its grants, it will take immediate and effective action.

Over50 on February 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM

I don’t know what goes in WI with layoffs. In CA, they follow the federal standard to give workers 30 days notice. With teachers, that means they have to notify while they are actually at work. That means they notify BEFORE budgets are actually approved, which comes in July.

So yes, they get notices and then they are retracted. But it has to work that way due to federal laws governing notification of layoffs.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM

So where’s the Department of Justice

This sure looks like a conspiracy to Defraud the Public school system…. Oh Yeah

a system of Laws not Men…oops….. good for thy not thee..oops Cowards…oops…

roflmao

donabernathy on February 23, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Yes.
Believe me, the state boards can be more terrifying to a doctor than anything else. And who did Greta’s guest (a female breast surgeon congresswoman in Wisconsin) say most of the complaints to the board about those doctors are coming from? Other Wisconsin doctors.

Yes!

Marcus on February 23, 2011 at 12:51 PM

What’s more significant to me is what’s going on with IN dems, who have now expanded their list of demands. They say they won’t return until a “number” of “radical” bills are taken off the table entirely. It’s gone way past labor law discussion. They included the bill to expand charter schools.

The leader of the senate when interviewed was actually grinning. He said, “Obviously, we’re not going to do business this way, so I guess they have officially moved to IL.”

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Rainsford on February 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

They’re breaking the law, pure and simple. And they’re only making matters worse for everyone. At least Wisconsin can fire their inept teachers now.

Chuck Schick on February 23, 2011 at 12:53 PM

I can’t see them actually stripping a doctor of his license over this, can you? A reprimand, maybe.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Sadly, I agree with you on this.

They should lose their licenses, though. If a doctor were writing fraudulent prescriptions, thats a big deal – no matter what the medication is and doctors have been know to go to jail for that.

This is a bit different, but not really enough IMO to differ that much in punishments.

catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:54 PM

And who did Greta’s guest (a female breast surgeon congresswoman in Wisconsin) say most of the complaints to the board about those doctors are coming from? Other Wisconsin doctors.

Yes!

Marcus on February 23, 2011 at 12:51 PM

Interesting. That would explain the action by the licensing board, then. Pressure from within.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:54 PM

catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:54 PM

I’m a big, “Pick your battles,” kind of gal. It’s good they are going to not just ignore it. But beyond that? I guess docs can get passionate and caught up in politics, too.

Poor judgment, maybe. Not enough to lose your license, though.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM

Rainsford on February 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

I read the transcript. It is perfectly clear what they want, just as it is perfectly clear what all the states need. Over the last 20 or 30 years who has been the winner? The teachers, or the students?

If you are up to reading a serious piece, try this:

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/02/22/race-to-the-bottom/

It is about the 21st century and the difficulties we face, and how WI fits in.

r keller on February 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

I suspect a reprimand from a Drs. licensing committee is a pretty serious affair…they won’t be giggling coming out of there with a reprimand on their record.

r keller on February 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM

This is a bit different, but not really enough IMO to differ that much in punishments.
catmman on February 23, 2011 at 12:54 PM

Agree. This is a breach of professional ethics just as serious as committed by those drug mill MDs who sell phony scrips to addicts and just as serious as that committed by those Docs who sell false diagnoses of disability to people committing benefits fraud.

They were making at worst outright false diagnoses and at best deliberately misrepresenting the truth to fabricate misleading medical diagnoses solely for the purposes of bilking Wisconsin taxpayers out of their money.

They should have their licenses yanked by the state Medical Examining Board and if they don’t the world will know just how precariously low the standards for professional conduct are among physicians in Wisconsin and all potential out-of-state patients at Wisconsin hospitals should be required to take serious note of that before seeking treatment there in the future.

What’s even more appalling is it seems most of them were on the faculty of U of Wisconsin School of Medicine. These fraudsters are teaching their highly peculiar construction of acceptable medical ethics to Wisconsin’s future Docs.

leilani on February 23, 2011 at 1:05 PM

I think that’s up to the state licensing board. They are self-governing.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

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Would that logic apply to scripts? Or just to defrauding employers?
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RalphyBoy on February 23, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Over50 on February 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM

I would think a careful perusal of a major change in malpractive insurance rates, and the rationale behind any increase, to the U of W clinic might also be of interest down the road.

a capella on February 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Rainsford on February 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

I understand that the previous governor and legislature enacted large tax increases within the past year. I don’t know the specifics, but isn’t there an argument that he simply rolled them back to the previous level in order to keep good on his promise during the campaign that he’d open WI up for business?

BuckeyeSam on February 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM

So we have this big ruckus over having to pay benefits. I’m sure that when the alternative, layoffs, arrives it’ll be met with smiling faces and nods of understanding.

Or maybe Wisconsin will start to look just a little more like Greece.

hawksruleva on February 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM

Weird that he wants to fight over social issues in 2012. This is the kind of thing Reps did to create conservative turnout.

obladioblada on February 23, 2011 at 1:06 PM

Scrips is a drug law violation and is, obviously, pursued by the State. And the licensing board nearly always strips away the medical license when convicted.

But other ethical violations are handled within the professional oversight organizations, like lawyers.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 1:13 PM

BuckeyeSam on February 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM

He said that he waived the taxes on new businesses for 2 years coming into WI, and that the business had to have not been operating in WI for 2 years prior to receive the break.

I haven’t yet figured out why anyone would object to such a waiver. It’s smart.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM

***

What’s even more appalling is it seems most of them were on the faculty of U of Wisconsin School of Medicine. These fraudsters are teaching their highly peculiar construction of acceptable medical ethics to Wisconsin’s future Docs.

leilani on February 23, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Well, this seems to be part of the problem. These docs are licensed and all, but they’re teaching docs. They’re not carrying private patient loads, and they’re not running private practices. These docs are paid by the state. They may not be union, but I’ll bet their benefit packages are comparable. They have an extraordinary financial conflict of interest in writing these notes.

These are the type of docs who backed Obamacare. They couldn’t care less about the cost of healthcare so long as the grant money from DC continues to flow into University of WI.

BuckeyeSam on February 23, 2011 at 1:15 PM

A rebuke for fraud in one’s medical license file may well be the gift that keeps on giving for future plaintiffs in malpractice actions. How nice that these doctors have stepped into a steaming, redolent pile of their own making. This whole Wisconsin thing just gets better and better.

Mason on February 23, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Those rat doctors need to be disciplined. The main reason criminals keep tormenting the lawful is they keep getting away with it.

Feedie on February 23, 2011 at 1:16 PM

I’m as anti-union as any conservative but Walker over reached. He should have taken the deal when the union caved to his cuts. Gallup shows that the GOP is going to lose this fight in the court of public opinion when they should be using the opportunity to build voter confidence.

We (financial conservatives) are taking a huge step backward with this fight.

Benaiah on February 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM

Weird that he wants to fight over social issues in 2012. This is the kind of thing Reps did to create conservative turnout.

obladioblada on February 23, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Scrips is a drug law violation and is, obviously, pursued by the State. And the licensing board nearly always strips away the medical license when convicted.

But other ethical violations are handled within the professional oversight organizations, like lawyers.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 1:13 PM

Depending on the scripts – it could be a federal violation of law, whereas State licensing Boards generally wait to act of said federal laws broken.

If there was a “smart plant” without a camera – he would describe headaches, pain related maladies, get a script for a Class 2 or 3 drug, then flip the swith.

A Dr cannot prescribe a Calss 2 or 3 without a full and complete “office visit” (defined ad nauseum for legal purposes, of which talking at a protest isnt one) – if they do, they are facing federal and state issues.

Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 1:21 PM

The folks who should be looking at these doctors are the insurance companies who carry their malpractice insurance. Why would an insurance company maintain coverage for a doctor who has shown that he or she will make a curbside instant diagnosis (with no tests or diagnostics) and falsify records? What company will take that kind of risk?

rlyle on February 23, 2011 at 1:21 PM

The folks who should be looking at these doctors are the insurance companies who carry their malpractice insurance. Why would an insurance company maintain coverage for a doctor who has shown that he or she will make a curbside instant diagnosis (with no tests or diagnostics) and falsify records? What company will take that kind of risk?

rlyle on February 23, 2011 at 1:21 PM

It only takes 1 person to claim mappractice. Sure, I know 100% of these folks getting notes are liberal hacks – but never underestimate the power of $$$$ through a lawyer to a person.

That would get the ball rolling…

Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 1:24 PM

I’m as anti-union as any conservative but Walker over reached. He should have taken the deal when the union caved to his cuts. Gallup shows that the GOP is going to lose this fight in the court of public opinion when they should be using the opportunity to build voter confidence.

We (financial conservatives) are taking a huge step backward with this fight.

Benaiah on February 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM

My opinion is that he messed up when he didn’t allow negotiations to start. He should have let the union come to the table. Let them turn him down.

THEN, walk out and close down negotiations. By not ever even starting the negotiations, he started off with the appearance of not negotiating in good faith.

I heard the labor leader just a week ago, and they would have turned him down on the increases.

But hey, woulda,coulda, shoulda, eh?

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 1:24 PM

I’m as anti-union as any conservative but Walker over reached. He should have taken the deal when the union caved to his cuts. Gallup shows that the GOP is going to lose this fight in the court of public opinion when they should be using the opportunity to build voter confidence.

We (financial conservatives) are taking a huge step backward with this fight.

Benaiah on February 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM

Wrong, the Republicans are winning in the court of public opinion. If they cave then they will be the losers as will all of us.

sandee on February 23, 2011 at 1:26 PM

I’m as anti-union as any conservative but Walker over reached. He should have taken the deal when the union caved to his cuts.

Benaiah on February 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM

There is no deal to be made. Voters elected Walker to do just this. If unions want, they can get democrats to run on the issue and change it back next election cycle. That’s how this works … the unions don’t run the government.

darwin on February 23, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Any teacher who wants to know what its like to actually be sick is welcome to accompany me to the Oncology ward with my wife tomorrow. After seeing what those people go through, no one would ever wish to be sick again. This is absolutely disgusting.

I hear you. After nearly 4 years of fighting the demon and legitimately using every day of my sick leave (and then some), it pisses me off too.

Bob's Kid on February 23, 2011 at 1:39 PM

This problem with deadlines is not a bug, it is a feature, so it is impossible to control costs.

anikol on February 23, 2011 at 2:04 PM

One mortified Wisconsin taxpayer speaks for many. “As the daughter of former Wisconsin Senate Minority Floor Leader William R. Moser (D-Milwaukee, Dist. 6),” Mary Magdalen Moser told me, she’s humiliated by the “flee-bagging” politicians. “I am ashamed of the actions taken by the minority party to subvert our system of government by boycotting its legitimate processes. Anarchy is undemocratic, and I know that my Dad is spinning in his grave right now. . . . I do not support refusing to participate, because that will not solve any of the issues facing our state.”

If Obama had any substance and leadership in his constitution he’d have said this to the country.

Schadenfreude on February 23, 2011 at 2:07 PM

What’s more significant to me is what’s going on with IN dems, who have now expanded their list of demands. They say they won’t return until a “number” of “radical” bills are taken off the table entirely. It’s gone way past labor law discussion. They included the bill to expand charter schools.

The leader of the senate when interviewed was actually grinning. He said, “Obviously, we’re not going to do business this way, so I guess they have officially moved to IL.”

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:53 PM

Wait, wait………so the fleebaggers actually think the tactic is……working!? Wow, those clowns really are clueless.

iurockhead on February 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Thank you. Its been an eight month battle of surgery, chemo and radiation, plus two strokes and a heart attack. We just got her scan back and it was clear. Thanks for the prayers. We live with the haunting that it will return.

flyoverland on February 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM

I’m as anti-union as any conservative but Walker over reached. He should have taken the deal when the union caved to his cuts. [snip]

Benaiah on February 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM

AFAIK, didn’t the union offer say that they’d get their collective bargaining rights back in 2013? So you’d get a year or two off, and then it’d be right back to status quo, and probably with some additional punitive goodies thrown in as well, to recompense the membership for their trouble.

bofh on February 23, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Wait, wait………so the fleebaggers actually think the tactic is……working!? Wow, those clowns really are clueless.

iurockhead on February 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM

I didn’t say that. In fact, the Dem interviewed had a very shaky voice. The GOP leader was grinning like the cheshire cat.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Walker now needs to stop talking nationally and, instead, speak to his WI media.

Answer every single question, go on local TV stations. Don’t fall into the trap of feeding the national media. That’s not his job.

State voters already know the basics. They probably have some more detailed questions about his plan and how it will work.

He’s used the national media well so far (except for today’s problem with the prank call).

But now, it’s time to shift to his own voters. Let the media find another story.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 2:36 PM

He’s used the national media well so far (except for today’s problem with the prank call).

Um…Mother Jones used the national media and the Governor for that.

Walker just picked up the phone.

Good Lt on February 23, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Good Lt on February 23, 2011 at 2:39 PM

It was announced he’ll speak on the topic later today. I think he needs to quit feeding the national media. They are getting in charge of the message, not him.

Take back control, Scott.

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 2:48 PM

Pre-med college education – $50,000+

Medical School – $100,000+

Writing fake excuses for teachers and losing your medical license – PRICELESS!

I’ll just bet their parents are so glad they footed the bill for those doctors’ educations.

LooseCannon on February 23, 2011 at 2:51 PM

remember, this is 3 weeks AFTER signing large tax-cuts

Rainsford on February 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

And since we are way past the Laffer Curve, tax cuts result in tax revenue INCREASES… which are a good thing!

dominigan on February 23, 2011 at 3:02 PM

What’s even more appalling is it seems most of them were on the faculty of U of Wisconsin School of Medicine. These fraudsters are teaching their highly peculiar construction of acceptable medical ethics to Wisconsin’s future Docs.

leilani on February 23, 2011 at 1:05 PM

Well, this seems to be part of the problem. These docs are licensed and all, but they’re teaching docs. They’re not carrying private patient loads, and they’re not running private practices. These docs are paid by the state. They may not be union, but I’ll bet their benefit packages are comparable. They have an extraordinary financial conflict of interest in writing these notes.

These are the type of docs who backed Obamacare. They couldn’t care less about the cost of healthcare so long as the grant money from DC continues to flow into University of WI.

BuckeyeSam on February 23, 2011 at 1:15 PM

According to Politifact:

“Moreover, the bill would repeal all bargaining rights for home health care workers, University of Wisconsin System faculty and academic staff, and employees of University of Wisconsin Hospitals and Clinics.”

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/18/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-his-budget-repair-/

Conservalicious on February 23, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Better idea than firing them:

Now and henceforth forever, all health care benefits for members of WI public employee unions are now canceled. They are no longer needed because these doctors will provide FREE medical care to all WI public employees for the rest of their natural lives.

CJ on February 23, 2011 at 3:25 PM

If I was an employer in that area, I’d find out who those doctors were and refuse to accept any notes from them again.

Big John on February 23, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Liberalism is a Mental Disorder.

Wisconsin docs giving out sick passes can always fall back on that, can’t they?

/SARC

maineconservative on February 23, 2011 at 3:56 PM

@Conservalicious on February 23, 2011 at 3:19 PM & BuckeyeSam:

Aha! Good find. They’ve got a huuuuuge conflict of interest which makes their brazen breach of ethics all the more egregious. There’s no idealistic, ideologically driven ‘concern’ for the well-being of the community underlying their actions. Nope, they themselves stand to profit financially from their fraud.

Like I said, they’re as bad as any of those Docs who peddle prescriptions to addicts or disability diagnoses to benefits fraudsters in exchange for cash.

leilani on February 23, 2011 at 4:36 PM

flyoverland on February 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM

We’ve put y’all on the prayer list here. I’ve been fighting stomach cancer for two years now. Stage 4 when it was diagnosed. Have a scan scheduled in a couple of days. Seems everything is going well, at least from what I feel. God has carried me this far, so I know He’s not going to abandon me now.

odat on February 23, 2011 at 5:53 PM

AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM

people who use the fake notes will be layed off?

Laid off? No.
The 2 possibilities of people who used “fake notes” are
1. They can be fired.
2. They can be treated as voluntary quits.
Basically its the same as anyone else who walks off their job for a couple of weeks.

Keep in mind schools get funding (federal) based on the Average Daily Attendance (ADA).

With all the schools closing due to a teacher Sickout/Walkout, the schools lose money for each and every student who is not in class.

However the Teacher using these “fake notes” still get their paychecks.

WI teacher do not have the right to strike.

If the teacher are kept employed, they should lose their tenure and start at the beginning.

DSchoen on February 23, 2011 at 6:01 PM

My opinion is that he messed up when he didn’t allow negotiations to start. He should have let the union come to the table. Let them turn him down.
AnninCA on February 23, 2011 at 1:24 PM

So the “Unions” are an equal branch of government?
Some how I missed that?

DSchoen on February 23, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Revoke their licenses!

Inanemergencydial on February 23, 2011 at 8:13 PM

This is a legislative bill. The unions have no business deciding on it. Legislators do. Every duly elected representative of the state of Wisconsin has a duty to vote on bills presented. It’s the only reason they have the title.

The Democrats ran away because they knew they would lose. Is that how “democracy” works? If I’m going to win, I’ll stay. If not, I’ll run away. They completely fail to represent anyone or anything by not being at their appointed place of work.

And to suggest that the Governer should, instead of clearly following through on a campaign promise, one which obviously helped him get elected, have met with a very biased, very interested party for negotiations prior to submission of a bill? Has that ever happened in the U.S.? Ever? I don’t think so.

Declare every one of their seats vacated, Governor Walker. Hold immediate elections in every district to get new representation for the people, and let’s just see how many of them are still Democrats.

Freelancer on February 23, 2011 at 8:45 PM