Breaking: Obama to abandon DOMA defense
posted at 12:40 pm on February 23, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
Hey, why not? With the nation focusing on union influence in the public sector and a debate on public spending, what better time to reverse course on gay marriage? Marc Ambinder reported it for National Journal:
President Obama has decided that the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional and has asked his Justice Department to stop defending it in court, the administration announced today.
“The President believes that DOMA is unconstitutional. They are no longer going to be defending the cases in the 1st and 2nd circuits,” a person briefed on the decision said.
Sooooooo …. when did the Constitutional Scholar in Chief come to this conclusion? Barack Obama has been in office for two years (having run on the promise to repeal DOMA), and during his entire term, the DoJ defended DOMA’s constitutionality. Now Obama is apparently saying he was wrong all along.
Maybe he should consider changing his mind on ObamaCare, too. At least in the case of the PPACA, a couple of federal judges have already reached that conclusion. Some district courts have reached the same conclusion about DOMA, too, although both the appellate courts and the Supreme Court have thus far declined to agree.
The issue of DOMA is complicated for conservatives. Rep. Bob Barr introduced DOMA in response to state courts declaring a right to gay marriage in an attempt to block those states from forcing the rest to recognize the marriage through the “full faith and credit” clause of the Constitution. (Barr later switched to Libertarian and denounced DOMA.) The act was intended to sequester such rulings to the state level, but originalists have long complained that DOMA was structurally flawed, and that only a constitutional amendment would suffice. Efforts to move an amendment have mostly come to naught, and many conservatives believe that marriage is an issue best left to the states.
If the DoJ stops defending DOMA, it puts the ball in Congress’ court, or with outside groups, to continue its defense. I’m not sure whether or how Congress would go about defending the act, and with Democrats in charge of the Senate, it would seem unlikely that the full Congress would authorize it.
Why abandon DOMA now, after two years of defending it? Perhaps the President has finally realized that his allies are thinning, and he figures that he needs to start pandering to those still on his side. It could certainly help distract from the budget fight, if Republicans take the bait.
Update: Gabriel Malor e-mailed me this clarification:
You might note in future posts that the AG’s DOMA decision applies only to DOMA sec. 3, which sets a federal definition of marriage. That’s the part that overrode state primacy in family issues like marriage. DOMA sec. 2, which holds that states do not have to give full faith and credit to same-sex marriages from other states, is not at issue in any federal litigation and is not disturbed by the AG’s 530D notice.
A copy of the 530D letter can be found here (PDF)[.]
So noted — and that makes this issue perhaps a little less than advertised.
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Whatever.
The point of the thread isn’t about all the shite is has devolved into.
I also wouldn’t think it is too far a stretch to state that if the administration has no intention or ‘obligation’ to uphold the law in court, they are simply going to ignore upholding the law itself.
If the defendant in a case isn’t going to show up in court, who is the judge going to offer judgement for?
catmman on February 23, 2011 at 5:28 PM
Your ignorance is showing friend. Some twins share the same amniotic environment. Some do not. Same for the placenta.
MSimon on February 23, 2011 at 5:29 PM
I think if you’ll make the proper distinction, we’re not talking about any ‘legislation’. We’re talking about the law since 1996.
catmman on February 23, 2011 at 5:30 PM
You dont seem like a bad guy at all – but I highly suggest you do a little more research than the first Google search that meets your criteria, in order to argue “the science”.
Now – if your whole assumption is based on ideology behind science, you have a problem – because the cherry picked science you opine is flat out wrong, from “basic biology” to “indentical twins” to “human genome”
I have a tough time believing you are a science guy, because you get the most basic crap wrong.
So if not for ideological, theological and scientific reasoning… why are you so adament about gays not being born gay?
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM
You can be as arrogant as you like, it will win you no arguments, especially when you have no evidence to support your theories.
There is no evidence homosexuality is genetic. None. That’s the fact. To overthrow ten thousand years of human history to impose homosexual marriage based on a lie, is wrong. You can come up with politically convenient theories you want, science has proved there is no “gay gene”.
If that makes me “ignorant”, then I’m in a lot of good company – including the majority of the American people who overwhelmingly defeat gay marriage whenever they get a chance to vote on it. That the progressive homosexual agenda has to lie, cheat, obscure, and manipulate to push their ideology, shows the real intentions of their movement.
Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 5:38 PM
@catmman all law is just legislation to me, sorry I would have used the word law if I had known you didn’t. But the point still stands, they think that it’s indefensible and honestly I agree with them. Think of it as a way to save money, we elect them to make decisions like this. We can’t expect that we’re going to agree with all of them but at some point you have to let them do their job. As it is this gives Congress a chance to amend or do away with the law on their own. Personally I’m hoping they do away with it, as it serves no useful purpose. Encouraging gays to marry could only be a net positive as I think it’s a fairly stabilizing cultural force, though you straights sure do get divorced a lot. Plus it will help if the gays in question already have kids or one day adopt them or some other method.
Zekecorlain on February 23, 2011 at 5:49 PM
@Rebar if you study ancient history you will find homosexuals listed in the oldest of texts. That means we’ve always been there and it’s about time that we stop imposing biblical responses to biological issues. That is unless you think women should go sit in a tent when they are having their period.
Zekecorlain on February 23, 2011 at 5:50 PM
^ Why we no longer need bans on, say, pork. It was best kept on the black list in an era of primitive medicine and incompletely-cooked food (due to danger of trichinosis) – but that’s not the case now.
Dark-Star on February 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM
If they think its indefensible, then repeal the law.
I understand how pols don’t like certain laws and all that, but that isn’t the point.
The point is the President and the agencies of government have an obligation to uphold and enforce the laws they pass. Otherwise, whats the frickin point?
We do not elect politicians to ignore the law. Politicians are in fact sworn to uphold it, whether they like it or not.
The President has no business unilaterally declaring that he simply doesn’t agree with a law, so he just won’t deal with it. He cannot act by fiat.
He is a President, not a King.
catmman on February 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM
True.
And not even in the oldest of civilizations was gay marriage allowed, most of which pre-existed the Bible. The Roman empire even had gay emperors – who were married to women. Classical Greece, likely the most “gay friendly” civilization in history, men married women only.
This leftist meme that the ban on homosexual marriage is due to white conservative redneck Bible-thumpers is complete nonsense. At no time in human history was there gay marriage, even today, in the blue states of California and Massachusetts, when put to a vote it is overwhelmingly defeated.
Homosexual marriage is wrong, it was wrong at the dawn of civilization, it is wrong today.
Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 6:00 PM
I thought the President was focused like a laser on jobs. When will he get around to policies that encourage more private-sector growth?
theCork on February 23, 2011 at 6:01 PM
@catmman what they said was that the law as written is indefensible in court. Now it’s back in Congress’s hands to rewrite. That’s a far cry from what you are accusing them of. Besides it is indefensible as well as a move into an arena that previously had State exclusivity.
Zekecorlain on February 23, 2011 at 6:11 PM
whats funny is that if homosexuality IS inborn…then so is pedophilia…and why shouldn’t they have the same rights as gays?
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:11 PM
So – for the 5th time – how is it that these people were gay, if not born that way. What outside motivators, 2000 years ago – spurred such “behavior?”
Whether or not gay marriage was “allowed” has nothing to do with the argument of not allowing gays to marry today.
Oh – and your statement “At no time in human history was there gay marriage, even today, in the blue states of California and Massachusetts, when put to a vote it is overwhelmingly defeated.” – yet it is legal to have a gay marriage – recognized legal – in Mass. – I will be in Salem in April for our 2 gay girlfirends wedding.
So as of today, there is gay marriage.
Another factually wrong statement, in fact you are worng more than right, therefore are an aboration to normal human behavior.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:13 PM
oh yeah they want to defend it as much as they want to prosecute the black panthers…LOL
as far as state exclusivity BS.
The Edmunds–Tucker Act of 1887 was passed in response to the dispute between the United States Congress and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) regarding polygamy. The act is found in US Code Title 48 & 1461, full text as 24 Stat. 635, with this annotation to be interpreted as Volume 24, page 635 of United States Statutes at Large. The act is named after its congressional sponsors, Senator George F. Edmunds of Vermont and Congressman John Randolph Tucker of Virginia. The act was repealed in 1978.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:15 PM
FIFY
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM
I think Obama likes to think of himself as LEADER (hint translate to german) LOL
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:17 PM
@Rebar a lot can change in 10000 years, after all like I said we no longer make women sit in tents during their period. As for your claim that it’s not bible thumpers pushing their religion, please make a civil case for why we should keep a tradition that has no basis in science around simply because everyone else did it. Also gay marriage does have historical precedent in the West among the indian tribes, in India, in China, in eastern Asia and among the western countries. It wasn’t common but it did happen. Also trying we live in a completely different world with out arranged marriages that were just for show. There was a reason we got rid of them and adopted free choice marriages. Gay marriage is a logical progression and doesn’t harm anyone while increasing the social inclusion and acceptance of gays. Which as we already discussed a completely normal sexual expression of the human race.
Zekecorlain on February 23, 2011 at 6:17 PM
Indeed.
The progresive agenda is like that, never satisfied. Remember their big “victory” (ie lame duck seession in the middle of the night) repeal of DADT?
Not good enough – now it’s all about the transexuals. Let gays marry, now you have no grounds to deny any type of marriage at all. This is not by accident.
Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 6:17 PM
With all this arguing about identical twins, I thought even the dumbest expert would know that they are “always” identical! Read this article: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=identical-twins-genes-are-not-identical
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:17 PM
Wow – your ability to both comprehend and offer an analogy are bankrupt.
And as of today – a pedophile can marry any women they choose to, you know being “its in the bible”, never mind what behaviors they may exhibit.
So as long as a pedophile, rapist, person stands in front of the chapel with someone of the other gender – they have marriage rights. Thats how perverse our current marriage laws are.
The stupidity is amazing.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:18 PM
the real push to enact gay marriage is it will be used to limit the freedom of religion and speech of christians who disagree
we all know they won’t say boo to the muslims…they don’t dare…
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:18 PM
wow talking about missing the point…your stupidity is amazing!! what a buffoon.
hey gomer, if homosexuality is inborn, and is deserving of all these special rights, then so is pedophilia…
get a clue….moron.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:19 PM
Oops, I meant to say that they are not always identical!!!!!!!!!
Two identical twin children played the child of the Samantha, the witch, on the TV show “Bewitched”. This usually down for child roles on TV because of time limitations. One turned out to be straight the other one turned out to be lesbian.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:22 PM
You may want to start with fixing your 85 IQ.
Let me guess, all gays are pedophiles, rapists, etc – unless they go to a confessional, then they are called “my pastor”
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:22 PM
its no guess to say you’re an idiot..and you prove it with every post…
keep setting up straw men….you sure don’t have the intellect to deal with the issues…obviously.
you’re so out of your league sonny…..LOL
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:24 PM
Odie1941, you are arguing with a brick wall when you arguing with R4L. He thinks that the Nazi Party was a homosexual movement.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:25 PM
I have zero control over your ability to comprehend. But – its clear that “weak spot” is what your church bets on.
The tithe counts on it. Idiots fill the coffers the fastest.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:25 PM
There were alcoholics, pedophiles, mass murderers, sociopaths, etc. back then too. Are you claiming these behaviors are genetic also?
Imposed by a single judge, and after a vote by the people of Massachusetts which is being willfully ignored – in most people’s opinion these are illegal, null and void.
It does harm society, which is why societies throughout human history has rejected it.
Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 6:26 PM
quite a few were…like Roehm…hess…etc…try the pink swastika…even ellie weisel talks about the rampant homosexuality of SS guards…
I would say get a clue…but thats very difficult in your case…
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:26 PM
I didn’t know you could put yourself in a coffer…I didn’t think they let you out of the rubber room…
I do feel sorry for you…such stupidity has to hurt!
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:27 PM
Which is the strongest case against homosexuality being genetic.
Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 6:28 PM
hey charlie….just for you….
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/07/books.booksnews
and look that member of the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY..the guardian in london…LOL
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM
I feel sad for the idiot, because it doesnt think – it mimics.
But I try to offer charity in my words… because what he or it wont let you know – their hyper anti-gay exposes more about their psyche than a million words we can type. The so-called “religious straight” are simply reacting to their internal shame of belonging to a religion that allowed rape, en masse to occur – by gay and striaght priests for hundreds of years.
But dont worry, those gay priests werent born that way.. they learned to be gay through the bible and Sunday school or something… if we are to use their “100% nurture vs nature” meme.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM
……………and, as for Count to 10. I will sign up for reparative therapy, which is a joke, when you decide to sign up for 10 years of anger management classes. Masters and Johnson in the late 1960s and early 1970s said that they were successful at converting gays to straights at a rate of 60% or more ………….. it turned out to bogus.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:31 PM
managed to make you look stupid…not that you need any help…loser!
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:32 PM
hey gomer…I’m not catholic….duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:32 PM
You obviously did not read the article from Scientific America which discussed the fact that not all identical twins are identical. I would suggest that you read the article.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:34 PM
ok then charlie…homosexuality is genetic…and then so is pedophilia…so why don’t we give them the same special rights that you want for gays?
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:35 PM
If true, proof that these infinitesimally minor differences make homosexuality genetic?
Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 6:37 PM
and isn’t it interesting that those gay priests were also pedophiles?
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:37 PM
R4L, Hitler was a raving lunatic who may have had Jewish roots, too. The officer that put Hitler in for the Iron Cross in WWI was Jewish.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:38 PM
yeah so, and?
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:38 PM
Yes to the first question. Now you seem to have a real struggle seperating “genetic”, guaranteed and rights, which is why you keep twisting them incorrectly.
Now back to the marriage issue: Can any of those people you listed legally get married in America, regardless of their genetic making………. yes, therefore, as I spelled out for RTL – a pedophile can stand up and marry a women, with full rights as a pedophile, as opposed to a gay couple.
Again – this exposes how silly our marriage laws are and debunks the “morality of marriage laws” whether ideologically/theologically led or not.
As to gay marriage in Mass – it is legal and what you or anyone else thinks – it doesnt matter, for it IS LEGAL.
And lastly – societies also rejected democracy for 99% of our existance…
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM
don’t go gomer!! I can always use a few more laughs!
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:40 PM
who cares? hell using your logic, pedophiles should be able to have special rights just like gays…after all theirs is an inborn sexual orientation, just like the gays…fully deserving of protection.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:41 PM
newsflash there gomer: we have a REPUBLIC, not a democracy…
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:42 PM
R4L, I guess that you idolize J. Edgar Hoover who may have been gay, too?
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:42 PM
you drinking again charlie?
talk about out of left field…HUH?
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:43 PM
News to all………we are a republic and a constitutional democracy. A republic means we have no monarch and we have democracy that is limited by a constitution that defines the rights the individual gives to his or her government.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:45 PM
So where did they learn such behavior, if not born that way?
Are we to believe a hetero guy, chose to be gay – for all the perks within the church of being gay??? An did his conversion go from gay to pedophile, or was he a pedophile by genes, than chose to become gay?? Even with all that spiritual guidance???
And I am confused about the whole pedophle thing – from a theological point of view, you know – being Mary was 12 or 13 when a dude named Joseph came around… (heres a hint – the so-called age of Mary has changed as the bible has changed, I wonder why)
RTL – you are a dime a dozen religious idiot.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:46 PM
My God, you love J. Edgar Hoover, don’t you.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:47 PM
hey gomer, I’ve conceded your point…homosexuality is inborn…but then so is pedophilia, so why don’t pedophiles have the same special rights as gays?? hmmmmm??
try to answer the question gomer…damn you’re dumb.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:49 PM
And here in a nutshell is the progressive agenda – you will be dictated to by your “betters” regardless of what you or the rest of the people want, and you’ll like it.
Your children will be propagandized in the homosexual “lifestyle”, and you’ll like it.
If you don’t, you will be punished.
Welcome to the new “America”.
Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 6:49 PM
uh where do you get this at? those drugs really aren’t good for you…
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:50 PM
I didnt realize America was the only society in human history.
Now this idiot is starting to make sense…
See how the parrot misread what I said, jumped to a knee jerk “Republic not a democracy” as if it scored the idiot points, while not realizing the words and context I specifically used.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:50 PM
Oldie, there are so many perks to be gay. Let me think for a second. Ah, one perk is that I have great discussions with such great people like Akzed, Count to 10 and R4L. I am called a pervert and degenerate. Just great for my mental health.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:50 PM
hey gomer, no one cares if it is or not..your obvious referral to us as a democracy shows what a dumbass you are! LOL
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:51 PM
hey post your proof that I called you that….or apologize.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:52 PM
No drugs. J. Edgar is buried next the Clyde Tolson, his partner.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM
and you know whats really funny gomer? I haven’t used the bible at all in my discussion of gay marriage in this thread, or any other…
just more proof what a dime a dozen jackass you are…
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:54 PM
really wow ain’t that nice…now tell me who is buried in grant’s tomb??
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:54 PM
The dumb get dumber.
RTL – pedophiles have the right to marry in America. They dont need a “special right as gays” – they already have a “marriage right and laws” to freely marry another gender, just like everyone else.
Because the current laws are so focused on “gender” – hetero’s of all kinds have the same rights. Rapists, pedophiles, etc all have this right, whereas gays do not.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:55 PM
gutless as well as stupid…knew you couldn’t answer the question…
you don’t have talking points for it….damn you’re dumb.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:56 PM
The dumb get dumber.
RTL – pedophiles have the right to marry in America. They dont need a “special right as gays” – they already have a “marriage right and laws” to freely marry another gender, just like everyone else.
Because the current laws are so focused on “gender” – hetero’s of all kinds have the same rights. Rapists, pedophiles, etc all have this right, whereas gays do not.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:46 PM
try to answer the question gomer…damn you’re dumb.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:49 PM
AM I supposed to answer my question to you at 6:46???
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 6:56 PM
hey post your proof that I called you that….or apologize. – right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:52 PM
Read what I wrote. I did not accuse YOU of calling me those names. But, then I can’t keep track of everything that you have said.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:56 PM
you sure implied it.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM
you keep proving how stupid you are…I mean you can’t be this dumb can you?
pedophhiles don’t have the right to marry CHILDREN…duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
God you’re stupid….
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:58 PM
…………..R4L, always equating pedophilia with being homosexual. What a dumb@ass.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 6:58 PM
and why don’t pedophiles have the right to marry whoever they want, just like the gays?? hmmmm?? after all pedophilia is inborn, just like homosexuality…right?
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 6:59 PM
ok dumbass, explain the difference.
homosexuality is a sexual orientation…just as pedophilia is…
you say homosexuality is inborn…then so is pedophilia.
put up or shut up.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:00 PM
The question has been answered 5 times idiot, but keep posting.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 7:02 PM
Consenting adults is that enough for you. Being a dumb@ass appears to be genetic, too.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:04 PM
I am feeling a little guilty, me thinks RTL is truly a special needs kid who got on the web.
Odie1941 on February 23, 2011 at 7:05 PM
That is an insult to special needs children. He is just stuck on stupid.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:08 PM
I will state once again that Obama’s announcement on this issue at this time appears to inappropriate. There are a lot of more important issues that need to be addressed.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM
laughable…you answer straw men of your own delusions…because you don’t have the guts to answer the real question…because the answer would blow your position to hell.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:11 PM
you’re feeling guilty over what a buffoon I’ve made you out to be…it was real easy making you look stupid…
you’re not nearly as clever as you think you are…but then you atheist wackos never are….
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:12 PM
laughable BS. and what is the age of consent? hmmm?? and who decides? oh and tell me a judge won’t declare such laws to be ‘discriminatory’
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:13 PM
I guess that Rebar is trying to read and understand the Scientific America article about identical twins not always being identical? Being a gay is like being an abused lab mouse.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:14 PM
I didn’t know lab rats got special rights…
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:15 PM
We need to pass a law that makes it illegal for anyone with an IQ lower than 100 to reproduce.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:16 PM
what are you thinking of switching sides charlie?
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:17 PM
and your lack of an answer speaks volumes….
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:18 PM
I can hear the keyboards going as Shepard Smith and Allahpundit plan a visit to Hawaii as we speak.
WoosterOh on February 23, 2011 at 7:18 PM
I’m still waiting on your evidence that, IF it’s true, that the infinitesimal difference is what causes homosexuality.
Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 7:20 PM
their positions are just BS. its funny to see them scatter from the truth like the cockroaches they are.
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:22 PM
this decision by obama is no surprise…he could care less about the laws or the constitution…whatever it takes to implement his fascist agenda…
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:26 PM
Google the subject and read. You might learn something.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:27 PM
My lack of an answer to what?
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:28 PM
I find some thing pretty amusing actually.
Like the same people who are “rah rah let the states decide” are cheering the effective end of the DOMA, which will take away the states rights to do just that.
And that when push comes to shove, they don’t even want an individual state to have the choice, instead cheering the fact that a single unelected judge forced it on an unwilling public – and if DOMA is overturned, on the entire country.
An unkind person would conclude that are full of BS, and will tell any lie to push their radical progressive homosexual agenda.
Rebar on February 23, 2011 at 7:29 PM
they’re fascists who have lost the argument…its why they are desperate to have the black-robed fascist judges impose it upon us…its all they have left…
right4life on February 23, 2011 at 7:31 PM
Rebar, the human genome may have been mapped, but we have no idea of how all the genes work or don’t work. And, I am not even saying that being homosexual is genetic. There may be some other reason. Now put me back in the maze and tease me with some more cheese.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:31 PM
I wonder what the Supreme Court thinks about Obama daring to declare a law unconstitutional.
This is quite a stretch of Executive branch power.
Obama has once again declared war on the Supreme Court. I doubt even Kagan or Sotomayor like the President diminishing their power.
Obama thinks he is king.
Also, I think this is a strike against both Huckabee and Romney. Maybe Huntsman. This is campaigning.
petunia on February 23, 2011 at 7:35 PM
Take your meds, put on the aluminum foil cap and hide in your parents cellar. We are coming to get you. We need recruits.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:35 PM
He still states that he is against gay marriage. Go figure. All this will end up at the Supreme Court and the nine robed justices with hand down their opinion. An opinion that I could could not care less about.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:39 PM
Considering Obama’s out-of-the-blue flipflop on DOMA reminded me of this posting I wrote almost 3 years ago. I still don’t have a sensible answer to the question posed: How is gay marriage different from polygamy, group marriages, even marriage within a family different from a rights perspective when dealing with consenting adults? What makes ‘discrimination’ by gender any different than by numbers or genetics?
michaelo on February 23, 2011 at 7:40 PM
I would suggest that you get a copy of the February issue of National Geographic. It discusses polygamy in the United States.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM
In Italy the age of consent if 14, which I find too low. Also, prostitution is legal Italy with “adults” 18 years or older. However, Prime Minister Berlusconi apparently had sex with a 17 year-old prostitute.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:49 PM
What makes ‘discrimination’ by gender any different than by numbers or genetics? – michaelo on February 23, 2011 at 7:40 PM
Speaking as someone who is gay, I don’t need a marriage certificate to confirm my commitment to my partner.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2011 at 7:54 PM
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