Video: CAIR confronts Allen West

posted at 10:55 am on February 22, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Red meat doesn’t get much redder than this, my friends. Javier Manjarres at the Shark Tank took this video at a townhall meeting conducted by Rep. Allen West, where CAIR’s executive director Nezar Hamze tried to score a couple of points off of West. Instead, West ends up schooling Hamze on history, both ancient and recent, noting pointedly that Hamze’s professions of peace certainly seem to be undermined by some of his brethren in the faith:

Congressman West closed his retort by referencing the Fort Hood shootings and 9-11 attacks, saying that his first hand experiences on the battlefield has given him insight into the tactics that Islamists use before telling Hamze not to “try to blow sunshine up my butt” with his criticism of him. West took offense to Hamze’s amateurish criticism of his stance on radical Islam and concluded by telling Mr. Hamze to “put the microphone down and go home.”


The audience appeared less than impressed with Hamze and his grandstanding, and more than impressed with West’s preparation on the topic.


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ernesto-

Muslims in America are a small minority, they act with caution…see how muslims treat non muslims when they are in the majority.

Learn how Islam/ sharia law demands non muslims be treated.

ploome on February 22, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Well , Col west sent this kid packing. He knows his sh*t.
pretty damn funny.
We need more people in public office that tell the truth.
Go Col West.

ColdWarrior57 on February 22, 2011 at 3:06 PM

Threw the buffoon OUT! Congressman West shows how it should be done! Thank you, SIR!

ExpressoBold on February 22, 2011 at 3:13 PM

I would vote for Col. West, having promoted his political career here before Ed/Allah saw that he would likely win.

Regarding this Islamist entanglement of what is legally Constitutional vs. what is fabricated by those who promote blood money:

The American Bar Association (ABA) has decided to undertake the fight for Sharia law…to develop “an informal set of ‘talking points’ that local opponents of these [anti-Sharia state legislative] initiatives could use to make their case in each of the 14 states that have introduced anti-Sharia legislation. — Pamela Geller

maverick muse on February 22, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Is there a transcript of what was said? I can barely hear him over the crowd.

MadisonConservative on February 22, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Small point: most “African Americans” have a larger fraction of Caucasian ancestry than African ancestry. I think I remember hearing that the average is about 20% African, but I could have that wrong.

Count to 10 on February 22, 2011 at 1:43 PM

You have it backwards. Most genealogists figure 80% of American blacks have some white ancestory.

CJ on February 22, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Exactly, RINO. You’ve got it!

Sporty1946 on February 22, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Looks like someone woke up on the passive-aggressive side of the bed this morning. If you have an actual counterargument, you could try just making it, rather than acting like a snotty teenage girl.

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 3:26 PM

2010 was the first time I ever supported congressional candidates outside my own state and district. I only have limited funds for this purpose, so it was a matter of deciding where those funds would do the most good.

Among those I chose to support, I am most of Allen West.

His election to congress will do at least as much to help my state and our nation as a whole than my vote for my home state candidates.

My small contribution was not much in the grand scheme of things; but, thankfully, many thousands of other Americans also chose to do what I did. Together we have helped to elect a true patriot who is already a powerful national voice for Conservative principles.

landlines on February 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Islamic piracy of this kind, directed against the US – and inspired specifically by Islamic ideals – is nothing new. In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, then serving as American ambassadors to France and Britain, respectively, met in London with the Tripolitan Ambassador to Britain….
blue1 on February 22, 2011 at 2:45 PM

That’s where the line from the Marine’s Hymn “…to the shores of Tripoli” came from: The first Barbary War.

As soon as the Rev0lutionary War ended, and ships began flying the Stars and Stripes, Muslim pirates began kidnapping and killing Americans at sea. Our government was amazed to discover that Europeans (including the British, under whose flag American ships sailed before then) had been paying tribute to Muslims for hundreds of years for the “right” to sail on “Allah’s oceans.”

And Americans were even more amazed to suddenly realize that an entire religion was founded on the belief that its subjects own the world and that we are all criminal trespassers, who are only tolerated as a matter of momentary necessity.

This “ancient history,” as some of the more moronic libtards have dubbed it, started 1200 years ago. But it almost certainly did not end last week with the second Muslim terrorist pirating of an American vessel in the past two years. (Incidentally, that was also the second successful pirating of an American vessel since the Monroe Doctrine was enacted.)

Only the most psychotic liberal supporters of terrorism (which is saying a Hell of a lot) claim that the biggest problem with Islam is whether they eat pork, or which direction they point their asses when they pray. It’s quite a bit bigger than that.

Fascism, Communism and Islam have no individual code of “right” and “wrong.” And that is no coincidence. They all share the same philosophy of communal morality: “Any means is ‘good’ when it advances the goal of gaining control over land and subjects. We create havoc now; but once the entire globe is under a single yoke, the world will (somehow,
magically) become a corporeal Paradise.”
OK, yes, in their version liberals refer to it as a “Worker’s Paradise.” But that’s just a nitpick. It’s really all the same damned thing.

This war didn’t start in 1786, or in 1979, or on September 11, 2001…. It’s been going on for 1200 years now, unabated. We occasionally forget that, but they never do.

logis on February 22, 2011 at 3:31 PM

I don’t want to take a lot of your time…

as if even that much from the CAIR rep were true.

Where does it say in the Koran for Muslims to kill Americans?

…then with the CAIR premise that Islam is a religion of “peace”, that American Muslim CAIR rep was lambasted by Col.West’s recitation through the chronology of Muslim violent aggressions that occurred within a century after Mohammad’s death as the Muslim religion of violence overtook in conquest what is now referenced as “Islam”, the Arabian Peninsula, by killing the “infidel” (whom as time stood were generally indigenous Christian populations).

CAIR evidently holds Col. Allen West in the same disdain that they evidently disregard the likes of their Black Liberation puppets who couldn’t spout accurate records on anything, even if their survival depended upon knowledge of one historical fact. Once you buy into fabricating whole cloth as if revisionism were the equal to historical documents, you’ve built your castle on the edge of a sandy hill where when it rains, it floods. And down went the false premise of CAIR under scrutiny.

maverick muse on February 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Looks like someone woke up on the jerk side of the bed this morning. Oh wait, that’s is your normal state.

I know your were being sarcastic in your earlier post. But I thought there was a breakthrough when you stated the following:

Nah, that can’t be it. It’such more likely that they have a machievellian plan to trick us all. After all, it says somewhere in the Koran that in extreme circumstances a Muslim can lie to defend the faith, so that means every true Muslim is lying to us about everything.

We don’t have to be ‘arbiters’ of who is a good Muslim or a bad Muslim – they tell us that a Muslim is a Muslim. And yes – they are commanded to make the infidel submit or kill them. You need to wake up as well and stop playing your little PC games.

Sporty1946 on February 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM

If you want to follow what is going on in the Islamification of Europe especially but elsewhere as well go to this site: Also check out the story behind the name of the site; The Other 911. A fascinating piece of history.

There actually are a number of Muslim reformers but the price they pay is a death fatwa on them so it kind of discourages this sort of behavior. Typical behavior of the adherants of the so called religion of peace whose Quran was described by, among others, Winston Churchill, as just as bad as Hitler’s Mein Kampf.

shmendrick on February 22, 2011 at 4:27 PM

logis on February 22, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Does the name Amin al-Husseini mean anything to you?

I’d wager that almost all Americans have no inkling as to who he was and what price we are still paying for his being tolerated. There’d be no Islamic Brotherhood, nor even a Yassir Arafat, no al-Qaeda, had there been no Husseini. He was Hitler’s pet Moslem and lived in Berlin for most of WWII, as a guest of the Reich. His teachings, his political leanings, his rabid hatred of the Jews, and America and Britain drove his philosophy.

There is no real differeence between Islamicism and National Socialism, nor Communism that ruled Russia for most of the 20th Century. It is all about having a select few rule all the rest and using whatever methods or means necessary to gain and maintain power. Using that tired old “religion of peace” meme is merely a tool to be used to placate the unwilling or disarm those who oppose them. CAIR is but one of their mouthpieces to attain “tolerance” within a culture in order to subvert it…and win.

A new Caliphate or a Thousand Year Reich…all just the same thing cut from the same mold.

Failure to understand what drives the Islamists will be the death of all who prefer another standard…something simple such as individual liberty and freedom.

If you can, read up on Husseini.

I wish more would do the same.

coldwarrior on February 22, 2011 at 4:30 PM

shmendrick on February 22, 2011 at 4:27 PM

“Typical behavior of the adherants of the so called religion of peace whose Quran was described by, among others, Winston Churchill, as just as bad as Hitler’s Mein Kampf.”

Nice segue into my post. Thank you.

coldwarrior on February 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM

I hate to admit it, but I had been suspicious that Allan West’s victory was affirmative action. I am so glad I was wrong. He should join Rubio in the Senate.

thuja on February 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Looks like someone woke up on the jerk side of the bed this morning. Oh wait, that’s is your normal state.

You slander millions of your countrymen with accusations of secret plans to kill us, and you call other people jerks?

I know your were being sarcastic in your earlier post. But I thought there was a breakthrough when you stated the following:

Nah, that can’t be it. It’such more likely that they have a machievellian plan to trick us all. After all, it says somewhere in the Koran that in extreme circumstances a Muslim can lie to defend the faith, so that means every true Muslim is lying to us about everything.

It’s very hard to believe you saw sarcasm earlier and didn’t see it here. Again, you refuse to actually offer a counter-argument. Do you have any basis at all for accusing a group of people that is overwhelmingly peaceful of having secret violent intents? Other than an extremely sketchy reading of the Koran that is explicitly rejected by the people you are accusing?

Which specific verses in the Koran are you using to promote this trutherism, if I may ask?

We don’t have to be ‘arbiters’ of who is a good Muslim or a bad Muslim – they tell us that a Muslim is a Muslim. And yes – they are commanded to make the infidel submit or kill them. You need to wake up as well and stop playing your little PC games.

Sporty1946 on February 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM

The vast majority of Muslims believe, sincerely, that those commands do not apply to them, so who the hell are you to say they do apply?

And what is this crap about PC games? There is nothing PC about pointing out that your allegations are baseless.

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM

It is pointless trying to argue with you RINO. It’s not slander if it’s true. I doubt that you have talked to the vast amount of Muslims you claim do not believe in their belief system.

Educate yourself.

Sporty1946 on February 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM

He should join Rubio in the Senate.

thuja on February 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM

I’m hoping he will!

Looking forward to hearing him speak at a townhall tonight. :)

Jill_FL on February 22, 2011 at 5:24 PM

coldwarrior on February 22, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Agreed!

There is no real differeence between Islamicism and National Socialism, nor Communism that ruled Russia for most of the 20th Century. It is all about having a select few rule all the rest and using whatever methods or means necessary to gain and maintain power. Using that tired old “religion of peace” meme is merely a tool to be used to placate the unwilling or disarm those who oppose them.

And the New World Order simply reflects the authoritarian “perfection” of the NAZI German experience. And the mantra of revisionist “Democracy and Liberty” being tossed to the yearning masses is the new globalist “religion”.

Someone asked if 2011 is another 1848. Because the world has already undergone the USA Constitutional Republic, and the many tyrannies of socialism through Communist, Fascist, Dictatorships and even the Constitutional Parliamentary experienced through various presidents-for-life, no this is not the same as the naive 1848 experience in Europe. Europe’s problem has always been that those who didn’t leave Europe will ever cling to nanny states, having their identity of maturation through empires, monarchies and now “socialist democracy” the sugar coated NAZI experience that they claim so adamantly to eschew, having fought wars not really over ideology so much as which faction gets to be on top of the authoritarian pyramid to dominate all people.

We are indeed already re-experiencing the Medieval Era, having entered the Dark Age of the 21st Century. And our only hope is in faithful dedication to our US Constitution for its Renaissance. Determined, together we must oust the New World authoritarians in the corrupt major parties from office. They are most certainly determined not to lose the control to abuse powers, and will stop at nothing having already betrayed the Constitution they are sworn to honor and uphold, sworn to protect us from invasion and from abuses of power. Term limits on all with no lobbying following public office or military service. Ike warned us what illegitimate relations we must not allow to overwhelm America.

maverick muse on February 22, 2011 at 5:26 PM

It is pointless trying to argue with you RINO. It’s not slander if it’s true. I doubt that you have talked to the vast amount of Muslims you claim do not believe in their belief system.

Educate yourself.

Sporty1946 on February 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM

That’s the whole point of the argument. It’s not true. You have no basis for accusing the majority of Muslims of being liars. You have not offered any evidence for this proposition. Instead, you tell me “Educate yourself” – i.e., make your arguments for you. Sorry, the burden of proof is on you, as you are making the allegation.

I wish you would step back and see how your argument reeks of Trutherism – a vast conspiracy of millions of Muslims to lie to us.

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Col. West is a magnificent public speaker. He not only delivers speeches powerfully, but without prompting can deliver impromptu rebuttals that kick ass.

Eisenhower had only military service prior to running for his first public office and winning the presidency.

Given the corruption that occurs with congressional experience, I would rather vote for a Col. Allen West than any member of congress or governor. It isn’t as if this man is naive, only “book smart” with no real world experience. I would rally behind West should he want to fight for public office, including running our nation as he understands the Constitution to direct governance. He speaks his mind without equivocation and is a straight shooter.

maverick muse on February 22, 2011 at 5:37 PM

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM

What you project reflects back on you, to provide source material.

Go Figure.

maverick muse on February 22, 2011 at 5:39 PM

This Islamist drone came prepared with his junior-high school level CAIR talking points, which are more than adequate to bluff the average PC-throttled ignoramus. But West knows his history and furthermore has no tolerance for the in-your-face word games and intimidation tactics Islam likes to play.

rrpjr on February 22, 2011 at 5:41 PM

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Typical liberal. It is obvious that you do not have the ability to think logically, read and listen to what they say or watch what they do. If you have and can honestly state the position you are taking, you are either hopelessly naive or you do not want to see the truth.

Either way, you are dangerous…not only to yourself but those around you.

Sporty1946 on February 22, 2011 at 5:52 PM

What you project reflects back on you, to provide source material.

Go Figure.

maverick muse on February 22, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Again, no specifics, just a website. I have no problem fighting Jihadists, and no problem calling out PC enablers of such; more or less anyone who says they are on a Jihad is our enemy, regardless about any bullsh*t about it being an inner struggle or whatever… I’m sure there is an inner Jihad, but I know damn well that’s not what people who say they are “on a Jihad” are referring to.

But show me what that has to do with Muslims in general, rather than the ones we are fighting – after all, many fight alongside us overseas, and many in this country are the ones giving us the intel we need to stop these attacks. Like I said earlier, it wasn’t the other Muslims in the Military that enabled Hasan – it was his non-Muslim, PC supervisors who ignored him.

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Any time I see exchanges like this, I’m reminded of how many awesome muslim men and women I encounter in a usual day. Outside of ancient history, there is nothing inherently wrong with Islam. If there were, the muslims in my classes, the muslims that run the corner store, the muslims I work with, they wouldn’t be upstanding citizens. But they are. Why?

ernesto on February 22, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Outside of ancient history? Sep 11, 2001 is ancient history? What about the bombing of the USS Cole? The first World Trade Center bombing? The Marine Corps barracks? Madrid? London? Bali? Times Square? Fort Hood? Shoe Bomber? Underwear Bomber?

WTF are you talking about with ancient history?

JSGreg3 on February 22, 2011 at 6:10 PM

“Blow sunshine up my butt”-Colonel Allen West
***********************************************

KICKING ASS,ONE SUNLIT DAY AT A TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Love it!!

canopfor on February 22, 2011 at 6:19 PM

JSGreg3 on February 22, 2011 at 6:10 PM

If there was any validity to what ernesto is saying, there’d have been mass demonstrations by moderate Moslems all across this Nation and around the world since 9-11 at the very least demanding that the jihadis and Islamcists stop what they are doing or face being taken to task by the rest of the Moslem community.

But, seems there was and still is a preponderence of Moslems cheering on these jihadis or at least going out of their way to try to explain away that they are but a few divergent brothers in Islam, an Islam that poses no threat at all to the non-Believers across the rest of the world.

Still waiting, as I have been since 9-11.

If there are more “moderate” Moslems than jihadis, then why has nothing been done within the Moslem community to rid themselves of these jihadis?

Therein is the answer as to what constitutes a moderate Moslem.

Having spent a considerable part of my adult life in the Moslem world, I’ve yet to see more than a scant few Moslems stand up to jihadis, and those that did ended up quite dead, quite soon, while the rest of the community ignored it all or cheered on the jihadis.

coldwarrior on February 22, 2011 at 6:19 PM

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Typical liberal. It is obvious that you do not have the ability to think logically, read and listen to what they say or watch what they do.

You complain it’s obvious I’m illogical (without pointing to any logical fallacy), and then tell me to listen to and watch what “They” say and do. Like a mush-brained liberal, you are incapable of speaking specifically. And then you have the audacity to accuse others of being illogical and liberal.

You have completely ignored my point that most people do not interpret everything in their religious books as applying to them today – this is true of Christians and Jews (both appropriately conclude that stoning adulterers and burning witches are rules specifically for the people in an ancient society, as opposed to the Ten commandments, which are universal), and yet you claim the majority of Muslims do not do the same, or can’t do the same without being true Muslims. As “evidence” you tell me to watch what some ambiguous “they” say, when my whole point is that you have offered no basis for arguing that “they” are representative of Muslims, Islam, or the correct interpretation of the Koran.

And you call that logic.

Either way, you are dangerous…not only to yourself but those around you.

Sporty1946 on February 22, 2011 at 5:52 PM

You have really gone off the deep end on this one. Your entire argument amounts to amalgamating a faith practiced by billions (or millions if you restrict to Americans) with the violent actions of a fraction of them.

Listen to and watch “them”, in order to judge “their” faith, you say. And you expect that to fly even when “them” refers to the fraction, while “their” refers to billions of people. And I’m dangerous to people around me for pointing out this blatant illogic. Judging one person by the actions of another is a leftist thing, and last I checked, they were the more dangerous crowd.

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 6:24 PM

This is NOT true with Christianity or Judaism at all. Moderates are quite comfortable speaking and acting out against more devote religious leaders.

blink on February 22, 2011 at 6:35 PM

I don’t know about that….I mean every darn day I read where some Roman Catholic stoned to death another Catholic who disagreed with Pope Benedict, and there are tons of news articles pointing out that those Methodists are hell to deal with when they get their jihad on. And the Amish, no telling when their rage will carry them to do violence against non-Amish. Let’s not even begin to talk about how the Jews deal with moderates and Jews-in-Name-only types…

//

coldwarrior on February 22, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Dear Fellow HotAirians, please do all you can to spread the word to free and save the life of Said Musa, an Afghani Christian man tortured and condemned to death for converting from Islam to Christianity. Note: quisling obama’s total silence in Musa’s defense:

“Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will acknowledge before my Father in heaven”. Matthew 10:32

Please help save an Afghani man from torture and execution because he converted from Islam to Christianity:
Mr. Said Musa, an Afghani native; an Afghan Army veteran and amputee (due to stepping on a land mine while serving); a father of six children, (one child with special needs), has been imprisoned with 400 muslim men and is being tortured through beatings, sleep deprivation, and sodomy. Mr. Musa has been thusly tortured and will be hung, for the “crime” of converting from Islam to Christianity.

Here is the heartbreaking letter from Said Musa which was smuggled out of prison: http://www.barnabasfund.org/Said-Musas-handwritten-letter.html

A grave injustice is being perpetrated against a lone Christian man by the government in Afghanistan. President Barack Obama remains completely silent.
Why? As Mr. Paul Marshall points out in his NRO article http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/260050/america-quiet-execution-afghan-christian-said-musa-paul-marshall Obama was anything but silent when the aberrant Florida pastor threatened to burn a Koran, yet he does not speak against the torture and planned execution of a human being by Afghani Islamists, (a nation for which the U.S. has for ten years sacrificed untold blood and treasure) for the “crime” of converting to Christianity.

Said Musa is without defense counsel as no Afghani lawyer will represent him; neither will the Afghan government allow Said Musa foreign counsel. The American MSM, with the exception of National Review Onlline and the Wall Street Journal have been eerily silent, although the European media have done some reporting on this.

There is a Facebook page in defense of Said Musa also, but only has 388 “likes” listed. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dont-let-them-hang-Said-Musa/144759138918630

Thanking you in advance for spreading the message far and wide in the name and defense of Said Musa, a fellow human being, Christian, and follower of Jesus Christ. If anyone has or knows someone with the talent of making a video for YouTube revealing this travesty and Obama’s complicit silence, please, please do so!

tigerlily on February 22, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Intelligent men have seen Islam for what it is for a long, long time.

Winston Churchill recounted his first-hand experience in his book The River War in 1899, like this:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

– Winston Churchill

Now you tell me what’s changed.

warbaby on February 22, 2011 at 7:08 PM

RINO, the problem is that Muslims with moderate religious beliefs often defer to Muslims with more devote religious beliefs on many, many issues. Not just religious, but political as well. And more devote religious Muslims tend to be more radical in their anti-western beliefs (which I think is part of West’s point). This is why you hear so few moderate Muslims speaking out against the radicals – they don’t feel as if they have the authority or power to do so.

This is NOT true with Christianity or Judaism at all. Moderates are quite comfortable speaking and acting out against more devote religious leaders.

blink on February 22, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Part of this point is totally valid – there are many places where moderate Muslims won’t speak out against the extremists. But it is far from universal, or even the rule.

Take Indonesia, for example. The largest Islamic population in the world, and 88% Muslim, and yet it is not an Islamic state, in spite of the best efforts of radicals to make it such.

The places where the fanatics have the most power, and the moderates are most intimidated, are largely middle-eastern and north african countries. Many of these are ruled by secular despots like Mubarak, who for years have claimed to be fighting the good fight against the rising tide of Islamic fundamentalism. But under Mubarak, Egypt’s so-called secular regime was regularly fueling the most fanatical, anti-semitic and Anti-American screeds in its state run media, in order to deflect the fundamentalists’ attention away from them, while keeping them (the fanatics) around in order to scare us into supporting them (the regime). This has been a pretty common pattern throughout the region.

That’s starting to stray into a whole new tangent, but the point is that the strength of violent Islam relative to peaceful Islam, in any given region, is very much correlated with the actions of people who, themselves, aren’t particularly devout.

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Sorry, the burden of proof is on you, as you are making the allegation.

I wish you would step back and see how your argument reeks of Trutherism – a vast conspiracy of millions of Muslims to lie to us.

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Islam’s goal is one of three ends:

1. force you to accept their belief system
2. enslave you
3. exterminate you

No other options.

Islam even has a word for it, “takia”, lying to infidels with grace and ease.

Muslim’s use lies to advance their belief system, a system which is based on a lie. Jesus addressed the source of lies:

“You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
(John 8:44 ESV)

Nothing has changed. Islam is founded on lies, by liars, with their Daddie’s help. No amount of protesting or righteous indignation will alter the truth.

oldleprechaun on February 22, 2011 at 7:34 PM

I have just four words for you:

Make this man President.

Browncoatone on February 22, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Again, no specifics, just a website. I have no problem fighting Jihadists, and no problem calling out PC enablers of such; more or less anyone who says they are on a Jihad is our enemy, regardless about any bullsh*t about it being an inner struggle or whatever… I’m sure there is an inner Jihad, but I know damn well that’s not what people who say they are “on a Jihad” are referring to.

But show me what that has to do with Muslims in general, rather than the ones we are fighting – after all, many fight alongside us overseas, and many in this country are the ones giving us the intel we need to stop these attacks. Like I said earlier, it wasn’t the other Muslims in the Military that enabled Hasan – it was his non-Muslim, PC supervisors who ignored him.

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Nobody is going to sit here and spoon feed you the major concepts of Islam. If you wish to learn then you’ll have to do as so many here have and read about it yourself. Now, if you simply want the number of one of the sunas of the sword then we’ll give that to you, but the subject is too large to bring you up to speed on a comment thread.

DFCtomm on February 22, 2011 at 8:11 PM

RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Here is a nice comment that covers some of the sunnahs of the sword and even addresses the concept of abrogation that takes care of the contradictions between the peaceful and violent passages.

DFCtomm on February 22, 2011 at 8:22 PM

I wish you would step back and see how your argument reeks of Trutherism – a vast conspiracy of millions of Muslims to lie to us.
RINO in Name Only on February 22, 2011 at 5:31 PM

RINO – to borrow a catchphrase from the early part of Dan Ackroyd’s career….
“Jane, you ignorant slut!”

Your argument reeks of the typical misdirection of the LibTard. What Islam really is is a Vast Ideology of millions of Moslems lying to us.

No other religion in the entire history of the world REQUIRES its adherents to forcibly conquer its neighbors and then forcibly make them convert to Islam, submit to Islam or be put to death by Islam.

Islam is a gutter religion inspired by Satan and run by his minions here on Earth. There’s a special place in hell reserved for enablers and apologists like you.

CatchAll on February 23, 2011 at 12:11 AM

West for President!

I haven’t been this inspired by anyone since I heard Reagan say “I am PAYING for this microphone!”

Shirotayama on February 23, 2011 at 7:38 AM

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