Unions preparing general strike in Wisconsin?

posted at 3:35 pm on February 22, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Remember that public-sector strikes are illegal in Wisconsin; it’s why a few doctors have been holding open-air clinics in Madison to give out notes excusing protestors from work.  Unions in Madison now propose to drop the pretense and declare wildcat strikes if the legislature passes the budget-repair bill that will limit collective bargaining and transform the public sector workplace into open shops:

If Gov. Scott Walker and Republicans pass a budget repair bill that restricts union rights, labor groups in Madison said they would endorse the entire of a general strike of unions around the state.

The South Central Federation of Labor endorsed the idea of a strike at its meeting Monday night, but they didn’t “call” for a strike, since members said they don’t have the power to do so.

There are a couple of caveats to this movement, however.  First, the unions want assurances from locals outside of Madison that they will follow suit.  If other locals have the same kind of suicidal enthusiasm, then the strike will move forward. If not, then this is just talk.

And by suicidal, I mean an end to unions and the jobs that get left unattended.  After this confrontation, Walker will no doubt want to soothe ruffled feathers, but he’s not about to have unions hold the legislative process and his agenda hostage.  The outcome of an illegal strike is likely to be mass firings, combined with immediate decertification of the unions themselves, at least after a short period of time to reconsider.  Walker will eventually have to follow Ronald Reagan’s example with PATCO to establish firmly that the people of Wisconsin, through their elected representatives, run the state of Wisconsin — and not union bosses or Barack Obama’s political organization.

The unions proposing this idea concede that they will need time to “educate the public” about the reason for their illegal actions, but this part in particular is educational enough, emphasis mine:

Aniel said the group would make sure all emergency services would continue throughout the state.”What we have to do is to make sure all essential services to people are provided,” said Aniel. “Then we’ll determine what other entities deserve those services.”

The unions will decide what services deserve to be provided to the people of Wisconsin, whose tax dollars go to funding the services.  Not the people, not their elected representatives, but union bosses with no accountability.

This is why public-sector strikes are illegal, and also why this fight is so important in determining who controls public policy.

Update: Steven Crowder offers us a look at “union superpower”:


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Ironically, if these people strike and get fired, and many services go under private contract … these same union employees may find themselves working for a private contractor, with less pay and fewer benefits than if they had just accepted the bill.

darwin on February 22, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Yes, privatize and get more/better for less.

petefrt on February 22, 2011 at 4:27 PM

From the Wisconsin Teachers Union Website
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Help stop this attack on public employees, educators and families!
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On Sunday, WEAC President Mary Bell reiterated that money issues have been taken off the table. “Public employees have agreed to Governor Walker’s pension and health care concessions, which he says will solve the budget challenge. But Governor Walker’s bill goes too far and he has chosen polarizing rhetoric,” she said. Bell asked educators to stay in school Monday and Tuesday but to continue to participate in local activities to protest the governor’s position of stripping public employees of their collective bargaining rights. List of activities

http://www.weac.org/Home.aspx
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(Video)From their site

Plus,students wearing Green Shirts in Solidarity!

What More Do They Want?(WEACVideo)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvMgAmmYx98

canopfor on February 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM

darwin on February 22, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Ugh… Sorry, dar. Wrong button.

petefrt on February 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM

The unions will decide what services deserve to be provided to the people of Wisconsin, whose tax dollars go to funding the services.  Not the people, not their elected representatives, but union bosses with no accountability.

Isn’t there a word for that?

Oh yeah. Tyranny.

Vyce on February 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Ugh… Sorry, dar. Wrong button.

petefrt on February 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM

No prob … and yes, with private contracting you generally get more and better.

darwin on February 22, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Ronald Reagan-Remarks on the Air Traffic Controllers Strike (August 3, 1981)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc8brHWFZMY

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Remarks and Q & A with reporters on the Air Traffic Controllers (PATCO) strike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3ZTCPJ39LA&feature=related
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1981 Reagan fires air traffic controllers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5JSToyiyr8&feature=related

canopfor on February 22, 2011 at 4:34 PM

I say, bring it on. We’ve been tap dancing around the threat public service workers unions are to the stability of the Nation for long enough.

coldwarrior on February 22, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Sure glad we have all these distractions while gas goes to $3.25 per gallon.

look forward to OReally? tellin me tonight how the greedy oil companies that aren’t allowed to drill anywhere are at fault and how the poor public employees unions have a right to ever increasing amounts of my declining pay check!

Step up Blow hard and give your hero OBlah Blah some tongue OReally!

PS I can’t watch I will trust some of you to report!

dhunter on February 22, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Who are the dinosaurs?

GaltBlvnAtty on February 22, 2011 at 4:35 PM

I don’t remember Reagan’s popularity suffering from firing the air traffic controllers. Everyone I know was behind him 100%. Let the union bring it on, I suspect things will not go as they hope.

bopbottle on February 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM

They’re doubling down, and I don’t think Walker is going to blink. He can’t fire the teachers — that’s up to their boards of ed to do — but he can sure as hell fire state employees, and I’m thinking he will. He’ll give them a 48-hour notice or so, and then they’ll be gone. There is just no way Walker can capitulate to this kind of terrorism. You don’t negotiate with terrorists. You always lose.

Rational Thought on February 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Concealed carry!
Be prepared!

dhunter on February 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM

The road to serfdom.
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Socialism and Extortion
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Equality and Fairness for some more than others.
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Liberty and Freedom down the drain.
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esblowfeld on February 22, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Obama did say that he wanted to “redistribute the wealth.” This plan does just that.

J_Crater on February 22, 2011 at 4:37 PM

If you privatize and hire these same punks and free loaders back you are asking for endless sabatog and delays.

Fire em and make em famous. Unionization fosters an us vs them mindset and the them in this case is the taxpayer and his dwindling resources.

dhunter on February 22, 2011 at 4:39 PM

I wonder if I can get into WI National Guard? About time for me to have another NAM Flash back.

BruceB on February 22, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Slightly off topic: Senate suspends direct deposit for paychecks and per diem. Heh.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — State senators who miss two or more session days will no longer get paid through direct deposit. They’ll have to pick up their checks in person on the Senate floor during a session.
The new rule is aimed at forcing the return of 14 Senate Democrats who have been hiding in Illinois since Thursday. They fled the state to stall a vote on an anti-union bill, and have threatened to stay away until Republican Gov. Scott Walker agrees to compromise.
Tuesday’s vote was along party lines. The three Republicans on the Committee on Senate Organization voted for it and the two Democrats opposed it.
The measure applies to paychecks, per diem checks, and any expense reimbursements. The absent senators will have to collect their checks from the Senate majority leader

WisRich on February 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Obama fights taxpayers and support those who milk them.

Schadenfreude on February 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Sipping Guinness and watching the lib-union-tards self-destruct.

Many of us have said for years that all we have to do is stand together and stand firm and the left will self-conflagrate.

pugwriter on February 22, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Fire them all. Now

moochy on February 22, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Crowder is priceless.

Jaibones on February 22, 2011 at 4:49 PM

The measure applies to paychecks, per diem checks, and any expense reimbursements. The absent senators will have to collect their checks from the Senate majority leader
WisRich on February 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Awesome! I’m reminded of an old favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1m4MGZ1ebU

dhunter on February 22, 2011 at 4:52 PM

“You work till 80, So I Can Play at 50 !!!”
“You work till 80, So I Can Play at 50 !!!”
“You work till 80, So I Can Play at 50 !!!”

Nice ring to it, huh? /s

Jimmy Doolittle on February 22, 2011 at 4:54 PM

The measure applies to paychecks, per diem checks, and any expense reimbursements. The absent senators will have to collect their checks from the Senate majority leader
WisRich on February 22, 2011 at 4:43 PM

Priceless.

I hope that first they strip out and pass every last agenda item that doesn’t require the higher quorum. Golden opportunity.

petefrt on February 22, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Atlas Shrugged much?

closetgop on February 22, 2011 at 3:53 PM

I am reading this now. And to think it was written in 1957

Guest1.1 on February 22, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Also, Voter ID got voted out of committee today. It’s up to the Senate majority leader to schedule it for a vote which I’m guessing will be Thursday or Friday.

WisRich on February 22, 2011 at 4:56 PM

After this confrontation, Walker will no doubt want to soothe ruffled feathers

Why? He’s done nothing wrong. Why is always our side that has to soothe the wet hens? Let them stew in their anger. Meanwhile, let’s all move on. They can follow us or stay where they are, but I’ll be darned if they’ll drag us down anymore!

SouthernGent on February 22, 2011 at 4:57 PM

In short, does democracy work anymore in America?

What Obama has done will come back to haunt him. He has encouraged if not incited an angry and alienated left that lost the country in a free election to overturn the results of that election by street protests and invasions of state capitols.

As the huge antiwar demonstrations in the 1960s broke the presidency of Lyndon Johnson and sought to break the presidency of Richard Nixon, Obama and his cohorts are out to break Wisconsin.

One hopes the people of Wisconsin will stand up to this extortion being carried on with the blessing of their own president.

Schadenfreude on February 22, 2011 at 5:02 PM

When they refer to a general strike are they referring to private sector unions too?

agmartin on February 22, 2011 at 5:03 PM

If they strike, do they lose their pensions?

Probably not, because I believe that a pension is considered a property right, but otherwise, it would be one way to solve the looming pension crisis.

PackerBronco on February 22, 2011 at 5:04 PM

You pay more taxes so I can have more pay!

Sound good to anyone here?

Trolls?

dhunter on February 22, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Yeah, please go strike while millions of people cant get a job. Unions will receive lots of support, uhhm, help, people will help them to do the job and get paid, while they are striking.

anikol on February 22, 2011 at 5:17 PM

If they strike, do they lose their pensions?

Probably not, because I believe that a pension is considered a property right, but otherwise, it would be one way to solve the looming pension crisis.

PackerBronco on February 22, 2011 at 5:04 PM

I doubt they lose it, in that they’re considered to be “vested” in the pension system at about 5 years. Or at least the teachers, anyway.

The benefit would be that it cuts off the number of years they have with the system as well as limiting the “top 3 years” calculation to what they have now, as opposed to what they would get if they stayed on.

teke184 on February 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM

A general strike of public sector employees will prompt people to think about what might happen if there was a strike of health care employees when Obamanable Care takes full effect.

chsw

chsw on February 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM

They can’t take their pensions, but they might lose personal days banked perhaps.

wi farmgirl on February 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Ronald Reagan already showed us how to handle public sector strikes by a union. FIRE THEM! How many laid-off New York teachers would be willing to go to WI for work? How many laid-off engineers would love to teach science and math classes? FIRE THEM ALL!

JSGreg3 on February 22, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Anyone who can afford it needs to send him money…just so we can show that we mean what we say.

Yellowdog12 on February 22, 2011 at 5:20 PM

If they strike, do they lose their pensions?

Probably not, because I believe that a pension is considered a property right, but otherwise, it would be one way to solve the looming pension crisis.

PackerBronco on February 22, 2011 at 5:04 PM

How can something be a property right if others are required to pay for your right? It’s a PROMISE made to public employees by irresponsible politicians to secure a voter base off of my hard work.

JSGreg3 on February 22, 2011 at 5:21 PM

About those state-issued cell phones; would *you* shut ‘em off, or track the GPS chips .. hmmmm????

/.

CaveatEmpty on February 22, 2011 at 5:21 PM

She and a bunch of her fellow instructors were all told they weren’t getting their contracts renewed with only a month’s notice and have been looking for whatever work they can find since then.

She’s said she’d be more than happy to be a “scab” teacher to stick it to the union who screwed them over.

teke184 on February 22, 2011 at 3:59 PM

While I never graduated from college-as of right now-I’m thinking that all my years as a Special Education student might qualify me to be a Special Ed. aide
Hmmm.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 22, 2011 at 5:36 PM

So the unions want to hold the people of Wisconsin hostage. This is why so many loath the unions.

Hanny on February 22, 2011 at 5:42 PM

You pay more taxes so I can have more pay!

Sound good to anyone here?

Trolls?

dhunter on February 22, 2011 at 5:09 PM

We think alike. But, I think my phrase is more catchy, and speak volumes.

“You work till 80, So I Can Play at 50 !!!”

Nice ring to it, huh? /s

Jimmy Doolittle on February 22, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Jimmy Doolittle on February 22, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Let ‘em strike! And then find out how willing the general public will take to their ‘education’ efforts.

Talk about a death wish. They are getting desperate!

GarandFan on February 22, 2011 at 5:49 PM

They can’t take their pensions, but they might lose personal days banked perhaps.

wi farmgirl on February 22, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Why should you get a pension if you’re fired? If you’re dishonorably discharged from the military, even after 30 years of service you don’t keep your pension.

darwin on February 22, 2011 at 5:51 PM

In related news:

The Illinois Tea Party has located the Wisconsin Fleebaggers.

Now where are the Indiana Fleebaggers? Probably on the way to the same hotel.

I am actually starting to enjoy this show!

Opinionator on February 22, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Call the front desk and ask for your missing boys.
.
HERITAGE INN AND SUITES – Harvard
42.39805, -88.61253
2 stars
Image of Heritage Inn And Suites, Harvard 1701 S Division St, Harvard, IL, 60033 United States 866-538-0187

Col.John Wm. Reed on February 22, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Opinionator on February 22, 2011 at 6:00 PM

They called the cops on them to make them leave.

Wow, the hypocrisy of these idiots is completely through the roof.

WisCon on February 22, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Plus,students wearing Green Shirts in Solidarity!

What More Do They Want?(WEACVideo)

Er, what happens to the students who don’t want to wear a green shirt?

YehuditTX on February 22, 2011 at 6:15 PM

This seems like an excellent idea on how to win friends and influence people. Especially when some of them may become sympathetic.

Cindy Munford on February 22, 2011 at 6:16 PM

You pay more taxes so I can have more pay!

dhunter on February 22, 2011 at 5:09 PM

PEU’s to pols: Give us compensation hikes and we’ll give you more money. Raise taxes to pay for it, and we’ll support your tax hikes.

PEU’s pit public employees against taxpayers. It’s a corrupt structure. Its net result is to take taxpayer money and put it in the service of leftist pols and the leftist agenda.

petefrt on February 22, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Call the front desk and ask for your missing boys.
.
HERITAGE INN AND SUITES – Harvard
42.39805, -88.61253
2 stars
Image of Heritage Inn And Suites, Harvard 1701 S Division St, Harvard, IL, 60033 United States 866-538-0187

Col.John Wm. Reed on February 22, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Make some calls and send some “escorts” over for a visit, with video cameras. :-)

Yoop on February 22, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Wisconsin spends a huge amount of taxpayer dollars on schools the 8Th grade Math and Reading scores are still in the tank?
266 out of 500, no improvement from 1998 to 2009.
$4956 in 1998 to $10791 in 2008 per pupil expenditure and NO improvement??
Looks like the Union Label may mean DEFECTIVE GOODS.

Col.John Wm. Reed on February 22, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Call the front desk and ask for your missing boys.
.
HERITAGE INN AND SUITES – Harvard
42.39805, -88.61253
2 stars
Image of Heritage Inn And Suites, Harvard 1701 S Division St, Harvard, IL, 60033 United States 866-538-0187

Col.John Wm. Reed on February 22, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Heh! I did, and after explaining the situation, the woman was kind enough to give me their direct number: 815 943-0700

I called and asked if the Wisconsin Senators were still there. She asked who was calling. I said, “I just want you to know that it’s all over the news that the Senators were staying in your hotel.” She said, “They were here last night and this morning, but they’re no longer here. That’s all I’m free to disclose.”

Band on the run. . .

Opinionator on February 22, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Inquiring minds want to know just how many of the unemployed are poised at the borders of these states.

FIRE EM !
TAKE THOSE JOBS !!

pambi on February 22, 2011 at 6:37 PM

What are they striking for?

What does the media mean by this “collective bargaining” discussion? One news report on the Indiana situation actually had some details (bad MSM releasing data and all)…

http://www.indystar.com/article/20110222/NEWS/110222004/House-Democrats-flee-Indiana-stop-votes?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com

Now they did report the text of the bill as the Democrats prefer:

Union supporters say the bill which has sparked the protests, House Bill 1468 such a measure would weaken bargaining power because companies under collective bargaining agreements would no longer have to hire union members.

What “bargaining power is lost? Unfortunately this reporter made a mistake and let the cat out of the bag… you won’t see any details in most reports; but they let this slip:

Today’s fight was triggered by Republicans pushing a bill that would bar unions and companies from negotiating a contract that requires non-union members to kick-in fees for representation.

That’s right. The Democrats and Unions are striking for the right to take pay from workers without their permission to spend on donations to Democratic politicians. The Unions are fighting for the right to rob people, and the democrats are fighting for their share of the loot.

Don’t expect them to frame the argument this way in the media, or even let that slip… I suspect Mary Beth Schneider of indystar may be in trouble if someone important notices what snuck into her reporting.

The WI fight is very similar; but it’s damned hard to find out… as the media has a blackout on the details, facts, or information (i.e. business as usual).

gekkobear on February 22, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Let them all strike and be replaced.

esnap on February 22, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Rep Mark Millers response, from Illinois, to Walker was pathetic. http://www.jsonline.com/general/37714089.html?bcpid=23739055001&bctid=615422516001

Rights, rights, rights, Constitution, Democracy, Democracy, Democracy. Meaningless talking with buzzwords tossed in.

Recall them all.

DWB on February 22, 2011 at 7:22 PM

When they refer to a general strike are they referring to private sector unions too?

agmartin on February 22, 2011 at 5:03 PM

I was wondering the same thing? But, unions are notorious for not engaging in sympathy strikes from what I’ve seen. The sticky thing with the public workers is that the salaried ones could continue to draw that salary while striking, but strikes are so rare in that sector I can’t say. If they do, that is truly unfair as private sector union members don’t have that luxury and the people of that state shouldn’t be stiffed (anymore than they have been) for paying something for nothing while workers are playing hooky.

If they do strike and have to forgo pay, then they’ll suffer immensely, shooting themselves in the foot.

Extremists…here, there and everywhere…hotheads and politicos stirring things up. I pray no one gets hurt out there over this nonsense.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 22, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Has anyone analyzed the milk that everyone is drinking in Wisconsin, lately? Public sector unions need to realize that their well of money is dry ………………. the taxpayers have had enough.

SC.Charlie on February 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Ed, what can conservatives do to help?
I have a feeling many of us here want to help Scott Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans in any way that we can. This means as much to us as it does to the unions, the difference is we don’t have an organization busing us up there to protest for free.

Raisedbywolves on February 22, 2011 at 8:06 PM

fire them all. with unemployment so high there will be no end in sight of people to fill the jobs. Ever go to a job fair highering 10 people and 4,000 show up?

Fair warning union cockroaches, many of you are about to join the unemployed if you think this will keep your slush fund going. The alternative is for tax payers to have even more of their dwindling paycheck confiscated so you can live large. What are the chances of voters being in favor of that? I mean seriously, not in the Gallup-we-will-tell-you-what-we-want-you-to-believe Polls

Niteowl45 on February 22, 2011 at 11:37 PM

The public sector unions should be renamed to what they really are, the Democratic National Fund Raising Committee. The Democrats cash cow is about to run dry. Your time is over, see ya, adios, Bye Bye.

MJZZZ on February 23, 2011 at 8:03 AM

You’d be surprised how many unionists actually think what they do is hard work and impossible to perform by anyone else than a “highly skilled” unionists.

angryed on February 22, 2011 at 4:06 PM

[sigh] You’re correct. Most of my relatives here in Ohio are public school teachers… and they’re not talking to me right now (even my mom). Here we sit in Ohio with an $8 BILLION deficit, and they just don’t see the disaster around the corner… and don’t want to.

I couldn’t even talk to my Dad. Although he is a Republican, he is so steeped in the socialist nature of the education system that he can’t even understand how the private sector functions. I feel like I’m talking with a party member from the late Soviet Union about capitalism.

Its like they’re indentured servants, afraid to leave the plantation because they can’t imagine how freedom is better, because its “safe” under their current masters.

I feel like I (was) talking with pod people who replaced my relatives.

I ended up deactivated my Facebook account after the last round of attacks.

dominigan on February 23, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Welcome to Greece. And you don’t even have to take the cruise.

kens on February 23, 2011 at 10:10 AM

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