Madison equals Cairo? Not even close

posted at 5:45 pm on February 20, 2011 by Bruce McQuain

It’s a cold day in hell here as I favorably quote someone who I usually savage. And I have to revise my thoughts on the left not getting irony – apparently some do. Who am I taking about? Joe Klein. Yup that Joe Klein, TIME’s Joe Klein. He actually gets it:

Revolutions everywhere–in the middle east, in the middle west. But there is a difference: in the middle east, the protesters are marching for democracy; in the middle west, they’re protesting against it. I mean, Isn’t it, well, a bit ironic that the protesters in Madison, blocking the state senate chamber, are chanting “Freedom, Democracy, Union” while trying to prevent a vote? Isn’t it ironic that the Democratic Senators have fled the democratic process? Isn’t it interesting that some of those who–rightly–protest the assorted Republican efforts to stymie majority rule in the U.S. Senate are celebrating the Democratic efforts to stymie the same in the Wisconsin Senate?

An election was held in Wisconsin last November. The Republicans won. In a democracy, there are consequences to elections and no one, not even the public employees unions, are exempt from that.

I know … you’re wondering, “what did they do with the real Joe Klein”, but hey give the devil his due (keeping with the cold day in hell metaphor) – he’s exactly right.

The other Klein, the Ezra type, not so much.

Let’s be clear: Whatever fiscal problems Wisconsin is — or is not — facing at the moment, they’re not caused by labor unions.

That, of course, is irrelevant. Whatever “fiscal problems” are present need to be solved by having across the board spending cuts and that’s the point of requiring public service labor union members to pitch in a little more on their benefits. Essentially what Wisconsin is trying to do is put state employees on an even par with private employees in terms of benefits.

Here’s the bottom line of what is triggering these protests:

Besides limiting collective-bargaining rights for most workers—excepting police, firefighters and others involved in public safety—it would require government workers, who currently contribute little or nothing to their pensions, to contribute 5.8% of their pay to pensions, and pay at least 12.6% of health-care premiums, up from an average of 6%.

Wow. No more free lunch. Can’t imagine that, can you? You know, actually having to pitch-in for your pension and health-care? Privately employed citizens have been doing that forever. So why are the public sector folks exempt? Well that’s the dirty little secret isn’t it?

Let’s go to Matt Welch for the answer:

We are witnessing the logical conclusion of the Democratic Party’s philosophy, and it is this: Your tax dollars exist to make public sector unions happy. When we run out of other people’s money to pay for those contracts and promises (most of which are negotiated outside of public view, often between union officials and the politicians that union officials helped elect), then we just need to raise taxes to cover a shortfall that is obviously Wall Street’s fault. Anyone who doesn’t agree is a bully, and might just bear an uncanny resemblance to Hitler.

There is Wisconsin (and many other states) in a nutshell – distilled as well as you’ll find it anywhere. These deals were mostly pay for play and it was the state’s taxpayers who were sold down the river. I, along with many, have noted that the Democrats have become the party of public service unions instead of the party of the blue collar worker. They are dependent on the money and machine those powerful unions provide to stay in power.

And when that machine falters? Well, you get tantrums like this. Remember the union protesters in Illinois a few months ago clamoring for the governor there to raise taxes instead of cutting their benefits? Just like Ezra Klein they want to lay off the fiscal problems on others instead of recognizing and understanding that the free ride has come to an end. It doesn’t matter if the unions had anything to do with the “mess” – the “mess” says everything is on the table and that everyone will have to sacrifice to straighten it out. Public sector employees are no exception.

But, this is Armageddon for the Democrats and their stakeholders. If states succeed in breaking the hold public service unions have on government, Democrats stand to lose substantial power. That explains why President Obama has entered the fray. While he wouldn’t back the protesters in Iran because it might be seen as meddling in the internal affairs of the state, he has no qualms whatsoever of meddling in the internal affairs of the state of Wisconsin. Apparently elections only have consequences when he wins.

What has the unions so terrified of Gov. Walker’s plan? Well here’s the plan:

His plan allows workers to quit their union without losing their job. He requires unions to demonstrate their support through an annual secret-ballot vote. He also ends the unfair taxpayer subsidy to union fundraising: The state and local government would stop collecting union dues with their payroll systems.

Under that plan, union membership would be an actual choice instead of a mandated requirement to hold a job. Horror of horrors. How dare a governor advance something which actually enhances freedom – why that makes him a dictator, of course and akin to Hitler.

Make no mistake, these protests in Madison aren’t about democracy, freedom or liberty. They’re about the left’s power and something else they love to project on the right and Wall Street – greed and selfishness. The protests are a collective tantrum from adolescents who refuse to acknowledge that their special-interest Candyland no longer exists and while it did, it existed on the back of the tax payers who were made to unwillingly subsidizing their way of life.

This is the wrong fight, in the wrong place at the wrong time, and Democrats are on the wrong side. Public sector unions are not popular and despite Ezra Klein’s denial, are held responsible for some of the fiscal problems the states face (like pensions):

A new poll from the Washington-based Clarus Group asked:

Do you think government employees should be represented by labor unions that bargain for higher pay, benefits and pensions … or do you think government employees should not be represented by labor unions

A full 64% of the respondents said “no.” That includes 42% of Democrats, and an overwhelming majority of Republicans. Only 49% of Democrats think public workers should be in unions at all.

So, as you watch these “protests” keep them in context. They’re an astroturfed attempt, orchestrated from the highest office in the land, to keep the power current structure in place that underpins the political power of the Democrats. This isn’t about rights or liberty or freedom, this is about power and money. It has finally unmasked the left and revealed what it is really all about.

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Bruce McQuain blogs at Questions and Observations, Blackfive andthe Washington Examiner as well as the Green Room

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Where is Allahpundit?

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Where is Allahpundit? OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Holding a RINO’s for Unions sign in Madison.

Akzed on February 20, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Where is Allahpundit?

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Probably protesting the governor in Wisconsin.

mizflame98 on February 20, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Hey don’t forget that state worker pensions are often tax free, depending on the state. So these bastards go around demanding that taxes go up, meanwhile they know when they retire, they won’t pay any state tax.

Iblis on February 20, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Where is Allahpundit?

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Bruce writes this great article and all you write is where is AP?
Bruce, thanks for the article. It was informative and helped me with my perspective.

IowaWoman on February 20, 2011 at 5:59 PM

His plan allows workers to quit their union without losing their job. He requires unions to demonstrate their support through an annual secret-ballot vote. He also ends the unfair taxpayer subsidy to union fundraising: The state and local government would stop collecting union dues with their payroll systems.

This is what has the union bosses peeing uncontrollably. They will no doubt lose members. Few at first, because no one wants to be seen as a “traitor” … but the trickle will soon turn into a steady flow and with that the loss of millions of dollars that the union bosses spend on themselves and use to bribe democrats.

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:04 PM

IowaWoman on February 20, 2011 at 5:59 PM

I rarely if ever venture into the Green Room and am not familiar with him.

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 6:06 PM

You know, actually having to pitch-in for your pension and health-care? Privately employed citizens have been doing that forever.

I pay 100% of my health insurance for me, my wife, and my two boys. Two years ago that cost just over $300 per month. Now it’s $650. And that’s with a $1,500 deductible…per person. We paid for our second child by actually saving up $6,000 (for the OBGYN, delivery, and one night in the hospital). By paying in cash, the hospital reduced that cost from $12,000. My two boys are home schooled. We paid $4,600 in property taxes for schools we don’t use, due to public schools poor quality, while also paying about $1,000 each year for the curriculum, manipulatives, and field trips. I do all this making less, in total compensation, than the teachers protesting in Wisconsin this very moment, and without a pension, and with my wife staying home. Union’s have no idea how tired we are listening to them complain about how “tough” they have it! My wife and I have been stretching every single dollar. We now only shop for groceries using coupons, matching them with the weeklies, and going to four different local grocery stores. It’s a lot of work but we’ve managed to save 50-65% on our monthly grocery bill off retail. So as far as I’m concerned those union employees can piss up a rope.

Weight of Glory on February 20, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Bruce writes this great article and all you write is where is AP?
Bruce, thanks for the article. It was informative and helped me with my perspective.

IowaWoman on February 20, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Bless you!

katy the mean old lady on February 20, 2011 at 6:07 PM

I suspect the retirement and health insurance contributions are not so much the issue as the reduction of bargaining rights to only those of salary, with bennies being non-negotiable, loss of mandatory union membership, annual recertification of unions by members, and refusal of the government to withold union dues from union members’ paychecks. That’s where the heartache is.

a capella on February 20, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I suspect the retirement and health insurance contributions are not so much the issue as the reduction of bargaining rights to only those of salary, with bennies being non-negotiable, loss of mandatory union membership, annual recertification of unions by members, and refusal of the government to withold union dues from union members’ paychecks. That’s where the heartache is.

a capella on February 20, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Bingo, spot on. Unions (was a long time member of the IBEW) could care less about the members. It’s about power and dues, plain and simple. I needed more protection from the union bosses than my company boss and CEO.

whbates on February 20, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Weight of Glory on February 20, 2011 at 6:06 PM

…not to mention the endless hours of leisure you have to compromise just to make your current situation work… remember unions gave you the weekend that you use so judiciously to keep from becoming a slob sucking on a government teat.

ericdijon on February 20, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Where is Allahpundit?

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM

OmahaConservative:

AP was captured by my Elite Commando Canadian Beavers,
and taken to Kitty Island,where he is getting much needed
R@R,at behest,of Team Leader,P*ssy Galore!!(snark)

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:27 PM

they’re not caused by labor unions.

Well it doesn’t matter, as long as you are the cure…
I don’t care what causes Polio, I only care about the cure…let the experts determine who is at fault, just correct the problem.

right2bright on February 20, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Now I understand all the vitriol and animosity aimed at the Tea Parties. The unions and the liberals have a total disdain for the idea of representative governance. There could be no greater example than what we are witnessing right now.

fourdeucer on February 20, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Bruce, Thank you for a common sense article I can share with those who don’t understand.

WhoU4 on February 20, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Maybe,the Teachers are haveing a “Day of Rage” in protesting,like that scream’n Moonbat guy,”Fox Lies”!

Could be close…jus say’n!!

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:29 PM

they’re not caused by labor unions.

I almost forgot…Unions not at fault, too bad…so be it.

right2bright on February 20, 2011 at 6:29 PM

the Democrats have become the party of public service unions instead of the party of the blue collar worker.

That is the MONEY QUOTE…

right2bright on February 20, 2011 at 6:32 PM

dear leader, the community organizer doing what he does best…

cmsinaz on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

We now only shop for groceries using coupons, matching them with the weeklies, and going to four different local grocery stores. It’s a lot of work but we’ve managed to save 50-65% on our monthly grocery bill off retail. So as far as I’m concerned those union employees can piss up a rope.

Weight of Glory on February 20, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Maybe you should spend more time defending your own benefits and rights instead of spending it trying to rip away others. Do you think it will get better for you if other people get their benefits taken away? Will your copays and deductibles go down? Of course not. Things are going to get tougher and tougher for you, and you’re solution is to make more people suffer with you, instead of fighting to get back to where you were.

Enjoy retiring at 90.

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

@ Weight of Glory: I didn’t mean for that to come off like an attack on you. I’m just sick and tired of the average American getting screwed over by lowered benefits and pay year after year, for no good reason. We can have a debate on teacher compensation, but it belongs at the local level. In the mean time, let’s figure out how the other Americans who got screwed over by the system destroying their pensions are going to survive. You can, rightfully, fight for the rich all you want, but they aren’t going to fight for you. Look out for yourself and your family first.

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Wow. No more free lunch. Can’t imagine that, can you?
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And the children are held hostage,but Leftys don’t care,
its collateral damage!!

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Things are going to get tougher and tougher for you, and you’re solution is to make more people suffer with you

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Rainsford:Wow,thats exactly what Obama has been saying,in
every single moronic speech,the Politics of Fear!

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Maybe you should spend more time defending your own benefits and rights instead of spending it trying to rip away others.

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Dude … you are one worrisome whiner.

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Awww Jesus…not this tool again…

BigWyo on February 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

dear leader, the community organizer doing what he does best…

cmsinaz on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

cmsinaz:Yup,Fear-Mongering,Class-Warfare,Speech’s to Cairo,
with his Rhetric,(With lots of blood on his hands),

and Shit-Distrubing in OverDrive!:)

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Anyone who watches The Insane Asylum Network, aka MSNBC, right now will see every single member of the Lunatic Lineup, from Matthews to O’Donnell to Maddow to Schultz and everyone else in-between, rant and rave and foam at the mouth as they compare Madison not only with Cairo, but with Bahrain, Libya, Iran, Mordor, The Sith Empire, and the Planet Mongo!

pilamaye on February 20, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Awww Jesus…not this tool again…

BigWyo on February 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

BigWyo:I noticed that yesterday,Sleeper Troll Cells
Activated,Hopeys Insurgency!!:)(sarc).

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:45 PM

Maybe you should spend more time defending your own benefits and rights instead of spending it trying to rip away others.

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Translation from libtardese into English?

Quit picking on the unions and go join one so you can get a piece of the pie too.

gryphon202 on February 20, 2011 at 6:45 PM

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

spot on good buddy

cmsinaz on February 20, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Google: Michael Barone, Thugocracy

He was right!!

PappyD61 on February 20, 2011 at 6:47 PM

AP was captured by my Elite Commando Canadian Beavers,

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:27 PM

Where might one meet one of these, umm, Canadian beavers?

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:47 PM

fight for the rich all you want, but they aren’t going to fight for you. Look out for yourself and your family first.

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Gotta love the class-warfare rhetoric.

Flawed as his theories are, even liberal hero John Maynard Keynes understood that economics is not a zero-sum game.

Study up a little, sonny…

beancounter on February 20, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:36 PM

See that’s the thing, Rainsford: regardless of my own personal situation, whether I view it as having been caused by being “screwed over” or “left behind” in the system, I’d never, ever, believe that it would be justifiable for me to take from my neighbor, be it through legislation or union “bargaining”, to make my life easier. And I’d never, in a million years, regardless of my own plight, forcefully occupy a state house, preventing a duly elected governor and legislative body from doing the very thing they said they’d do while campaigning in an election which resulted in a majority of my fellow citizens sweeping them into power. My own life comfort is not worth sinking my state into mob rule. I can solve my own problems. Even now, with how hard things are for my company that I run with my father, I’m quite happy. Maybe public sector union employees need to punish their state for their “happiness”, but I don’t.

Weight of Glory on February 20, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Awww Jesus…not this tool again…

BigWyo on February 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

“Madison equals Cairo? Not even close”

Blah, blah…….fighting for yourself, blah, blah…..leave the great public service unions alone….blah, blah…..enjoy dieing before you retire….blah, blah…….

Yep. Threadjacking in progress!

VegasRick on February 20, 2011 at 6:51 PM

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:39 PM

BigWyo on February 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Who let PisRainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Actually it is pretty close. The public sector unions, like Mubarack, are greedy blood suckers on the citizens.

Murphy9 on February 20, 2011 at 6:52 PM

“Death to Ameriaca”
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So much for Freedom,the Caliphate is shaping up!

{He reiterated that the Arab revolts were “Islamic” and must be consolidated}- Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
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Its not ImWearingADinnerJacketInsaneNutJob saying it,its
Supreme Jihady too.
——————-

Feb 20 2011 10:17PM

US must be removed from Islamic world: Khamenei
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Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Sunday called on Muslims to “remove” the US from the Islamic world.

“The main problem in the Muslim world is the presence of the United States. It is the biggest problem. We need to address that,” he told a gathering of Shiite and Sunni scholars in Tehran for an international conference on Islam.

“It is necessary to remove the US from the Islamic world,” the all-powerful cleric and Islamic republic’s commander-in-chief said, adding that the country’s arch-foe was currently weak.

Khamenei urged Muslims worldwide to preserve the “people’s movement in Egypt,” saying it was the duty of both the people and dignitaries of Arab nations and the entire Islamic community.

He reiterated that the Arab revolts were “Islamic” and must be consolidated.

“The enemies try to say that the popular movements in Egypt, Tunisia and other nations are un-Islamic, but certainly these popular movements are Islamic and must be consolidated,” he said.

Khamenei also urged that “the conspiracy of enemies to create differences between Sunnis and Shiites” be confronted.

On February 4, in his Friday prayer sermon, Khamenei called for an Islamic regime to be installed in Egypt, a week before that country’s strongman Hosni Mubarak was ousted.

Iranian officials expressed support for the uprising in the Arab world’s most populous nation. -Sapa-AFP
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http://www.thenewage.co.za/10953-1020-53-US_must_be_removed_from_Islamic_world_Khamenei

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Who let Pissford in? Ed or AP?

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Now I understand all the vitriol and animosity aimed at the Tea Parties. The unions and the liberals have a total disdain for the idea of representative governance. There could be no greater example than what we are witnessing right now.

There are many states in such deep fiscal problems that state unions with excessive political power need to be broken.
However, Wisconsin is not one of those states. It’s unfortunate that such a weak excuse for union busting has to become the litmus test for fixing state budgets.

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides. No one looks good and it’s turning into a circus.

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Barack Mubarack Obama stands with his fellow greedy blood suckers.

Murphy9 on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Maybe you should spend more time defending your own benefits and rights instead of spending it trying to rip away others. Do you think it will get better for you if other people get their benefits taken away? Will your copays and deductibles go down? Of course not. Things are going to get tougher and tougher for you, and you’re solution is to make more people suffer with you, instead of fighting to get back to where you were.

Enjoy retiring at 90.

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

What do you fail to grasp about the fact that the States (most) are bankrupt. The tax payers can no longer afford the excesses of public worker current sweetheart contracts. The situation is not sustainable and the public will no longer tolerate it. Even some leftwing writers are starting to understand the mood of the public.

whbates on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Enjoy retiring at 90.

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM

My dad’s 66. Still works 60 hrs a week with me. He’s an inspiration and my best friend. He’ll work till he dies, and I’ll do the same. From dust I came into this world, and to dust I will return.

Weight of Glory on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides. No one looks good and it’s turning into a circus.

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Moral equivalence again. How quaint and how absurd.

Murphy9 on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides. No one looks good and it’s turning into a circus.

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

The vitriol only ever comes from one side champ.

Good try though.

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Where might one meet one of these, umm, Canadian beavers?

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:47 PM

They used to frequent a sleazy dive in Montreal.

katy the mean old lady on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM
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spot on good buddy

cmsinaz on February 20, 2011 at 6:46 PM

cmsinaz:)

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:27 PM
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Where might one meet one of these, umm, Canadian beavers?

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:47 PM

darwin:In there Natural Habitat,hehe!!:)

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:57 PM

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Got a phone number for the Candian beavers?

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:57 PM

The unions bought the democrats in full so the democrats must support them if they don’t want to get their electoral knees broken.

Murphy9 on February 20, 2011 at 6:57 PM

darwin:In there Natural Habitat,hehe!!:)

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:57 PM

lol

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:58 PM

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:47 PM
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They used to frequent a sleazy dive in Montreal.

katy the mean old lady on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM

katy the mean old lady:Lol,lets hope,ahem,the pole isn’t
made of wood!!:)

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:58 PM

It doesn’t matter if the unions had anything to do with the “mess” – the “mess” says everything is on the table and that everyone will have to sacrifice to straighten it out. Public sector employees are no exception.

This is the response I give my kids when they say, “I shouldn’t have to pick up that trash on the floor, I didn’t put it there.”: “It doesn’t matter who put it there, it is a mess and needs to be cleaned up, so pick it up.”
The unions are unserious children that think temper tantrums are the way to run a civilized society. Maybe if they learn to act like adults they can come to the grown-up table, if not they can sit at the little kid’s table in the backroom.

txmomof6 on February 20, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:33 PM
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Who let Pissford in? Ed or AP?

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

OmahaConservative:Ahem…the back door!:)

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 7:01 PM

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM
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Got a phone number for the Candian beavers?

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:57 PM

darwin:1-800-CanadainBeavers:)(snark).

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Where might one meet one of these, umm, Canadian beavers?

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 6:47 PM

They used to frequent a sleazy dive in Montreal.

katy the mean old lady on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM

I remember that place!

beancounter on February 20, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Awww Jesus…not this tool again…

BigWyo on February 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Ignore it or we’ll be sscrolling past 15 miles of bullcrapola.

katy the mean old lady on February 20, 2011 at 7:04 PM

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Lolz, good ‘bud.

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 7:04 PM

katy the mean old lady on February 20, 2011 at 7:04 PM

No sh!t.

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 7:04 PM

So, as you watch these “protests” keep them in context. They’re an astroturfed attempt, orchestrated from the highest office in the land, to keep the power current structure in place that underpins the political power of the Democrats. This isn’t about rights or liberty or freedom, this is about power and money. It has finally unmasked the left and revealed what it is really all about.
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One would think,that Obama and Team were in some form of
“Conflict of Interest”,

where as,the Unions have put Obama in power!!!

And,its high time,that America and the Children come
first!!!!!

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 7:08 PM

I Am America
*************
*************

REMEMBER NOVEMBER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 7:09 PM

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides. No one looks good and it’s turning into a circus.

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

The Tea Partiers, conservatives and vast majority of republicans have never stooped to the levels of what we are witnessing with the left. The left doesn’t hesitate to corrupt the system for their own self-interests. If the right is guilty of anything it is the tolerance of what the left has been getting away with.

fourdeucer on February 20, 2011 at 7:10 PM

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Being proactive is far better than be reactive. Just maybe Wisconsin doesn’t want to become a California, Illinois or New York.

chemman on February 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides. No one looks good and it’s turning into a circus.

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

You cannot even stay on topic.

Union busting? Can you say straw man?

The ignorance on this issue is just pathetic.

Under Walker’s plan, most public workers – excluding police, firefighters and state troopers – would have to pay half of their pension costs and at least 12 percent of their health-care costs. They would lose bargaining rights for anything other than pay. Walker, who took office last month, says the emergency measure would save $300 million over the next two years to help close a $3.6 billion budget gap.=- WAPO

As Governor Walker has noted:

From 2000 to 2009 taxpayers spent about $12.6 billion on public employee pensions, during the same period public employees contributed $55.4 million. (LFB paper 84 Wisconsin Retirement System, Table 28)

Seems fair that there be a little shaking up to me.

Funny I do not see the Bayams of the world upset that the Dems essentially are shutting down the govt. in Wisconson.
Erm(lol)

CWforFreedom on February 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Union members smearing their enemies with Hitler is like Nikita Khrushchev smearing President Eisenhower with Stalin.

Teachers that don’t care to be historically accurate? There’s that union label again.

What makes union leaders and their members more deserving of higher wages and better benefits?

What is that principle? Extortion? Protection scam maybe? Mafia values.

Speakup on February 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM

They used to frequent a sleazy dive in Montreal.

katy the mean old lady on February 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM

Aww man, I was just in Montreal too.

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides. No one looks good and it’s turning into a circus.

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Now that is funny. Do you get paid for this Bullshitee.

CWforFreedom on February 20, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Heres the narrative..talkin points………..

Battle Against GOP Union Busters Spreads to Ohio

Ohio: Collective Bargaining Union Protesters Clash at Statehouse with Tea Party Supporter of anti-Union Bill

From/ Team Progressive

http://beavercountyblue.org/

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 7:12 PM

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 7:01 PM
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Lolz, good ‘bud.

OmahaConservative on February 20, 2011 at 7:04 PM

OmahaConservative:)

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Wait a stink’n tic,its all clear to me now,
Team Progressive through (Social Justice),

want a UNION CALIPHATE across America!!!!!!
(sarc)

canopfor on February 20, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Canopfor:

Was this one of their talking points?

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides.

CWforFreedom on February 20, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Aww man, I was just in Montreal too.

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Don’t fall for that tramp,Collette. She’s got fleas.

katy the mean old lady on February 20, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Weight of Glory @6:06 and 6:48
Your family has a compelling story of dealing with the pluses and minuses of our society. I am glad you are on America’s team.

GaltBlvnAtty on February 20, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Hotair headline:

After Wisconsin, how do Democrats argue against a GOP government shutdown?

Hmmm trolls like Bayam, PR, Crr etc conspicuously silent. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

CWforFreedom on February 20, 2011 at 7:21 PM

GaltBlvnAtty on February 20, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Thanks. That’s very kind of you. But my neighbors and church friends are all doing the same. We’ll all right this ship together. It’s just going to take at least a generation.

Weight of Glory on February 20, 2011 at 7:30 PM

I have always said Public Sector Unions are nonsense. There is no market driver for their bargaining. Run short? Raise taxes. The Private Sector Unions at least have the market and profits (or did before the govt bailout mania) as a framework at the bargaining table. Hopefully Gov Walker and the Republican legislators will stand firm and not buckle (per usual Republican style) and this will backfire like no other on the Dems and Unions.

Koa on February 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides. No one looks good and it’s turning into a circus.

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Huh?? Both sides? BWAHAHAHAHAHahahahah

Koa on February 20, 2011 at 7:37 PM

The President said a while ago that everyone was going to feel the pain of what is needed.

CWforFreedom on February 20, 2011 at 7:40 PM

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We can have a debate on teacher compensation, but it belongs at the local level. In the mean time, let’s figure out how the other Americans who got screwed over by the system destroying their pensions are going to survive. You can, rightfully, fight for the rich all you want, but they aren’t going to fight for you. Look out for yourself and your family first.

Rainsford on February 20, 2011 at 6:36 PM

WTF?

Don’t the actions that Gov. Walker and the Wisconsin are taking constitute addressing compensation and benefits on the local level? If you mean school district by school district, it’s my impression that giving governmental authorities more equal leverage in dealing with these issues should address that concerns.

Beyond that, your point about Americans and their pensions getting screwed “by the system” is nonsensical. First, what system are you complaining about? Second, how many people have defined-benefit pension plans any more? Beyond service personnel, other federal employees, and state and local employees, very few private-sector employees continue to maintain these kinds of plans. From an ERISA law perspective, they’re expensive to maintain and cumbersome to administer.

Many private-sector employers have gone to 401(k) plans, which permit employees to elect to defer some of their compensation and direct it to a personal retirement asset accumulation account. Some companies match to varying degrees. Some don’t. Ideally, but I don’t know how prevalent the practice is, the employer will also maintain some kind of defined-contribution profit-sharing plan in which the employer kicks an annual percentage of compensation for each employee. Again, that’s a standalone account for the benefit of the employee. He or she takes it with him or her when leaving the employer.

In contrast, many of these public-employee pensions are based on formulas that take into account, say, one’s final three years of compensation and length of time employed in the system. Where the games are played is when the rules allow these employees to accumulate ridiculous amounts of unused vacation and sick days from the inordinate amount of each that they get every year in their final three years of employment so that they can goose up their compensation considerably and, hence, their pension. Getting four to six weeks of vacation when most private-sector employees don’t see more than three weeks a year. Ten or more sick days, when it might be half that for private-sector employees. Start accumulating that in a system that doesn’t require you to use it or lose it, and you see what rigged game it is.

And let’s not forget the all-expense-paid retire healthcare on top of it all.

If your point is to argue about the fickleness of equity markets. Fine. But that’s life. There’s no guarantee of an always rising equity market. Yet over the long term, that market has performed quite nicely. And if I could have my share of FICA and my various employers’ share of FICA segregated in an IRA-type account that was mine, I’d take that deal over Social Security any day of the week.

I’ve always felt that chickensh*t liberals who decry privatizing Social Security fundamentally don’t believe in the economy of this country and fundamentaly don’t believe in the work ethic and ingenuity of the workers of this country who work for the companies whose equities make up our stock exchanges.

But when you generalize about destroyed pensions, who are you talking about and what are you really talking about? I ask because you seem pathetically uninformed.

BuckeyeSam on February 20, 2011 at 7:41 PM

We are witnessing the logical conclusion of the Democratic Party’s philosophy, and it is this: Your tax dollars exist to make public sector unions happy. When we run out of other people’s money to pay for those contracts and promises (most of which are negotiated outside of public view, often between union officials and the politicians that union officials helped elect), then we just need to raise taxes to cover a shortfall that is obviously Wall Street’s fault. Anyone who doesn’t agree is a bully, and might just bear an uncanny resemblance to Hitler.

This needs to be viral. It is the truth, and now more than anything else, America needs the truth.

Key West Reader on February 20, 2011 at 7:45 PM

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides. No one looks good and it’s turning into a circus.

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

The WH has entered the thread.

Key West Reader on February 20, 2011 at 7:46 PM

The Tea Partiers, conservatives and vast majority of republicans have never stooped to the levels of what we are witnessing with the left. The left doesn’t hesitate to corrupt the system for their own self-interests. If the right is guilty of anything it is the tolerance of what the left has been getting away with.

fourdeucer on February 20, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Indeed, you can see the willfully self-dehumanized dregs on display in Wisconsin right now. The “Walker=Hitler” filth have a vested interest in poisoning the minds of children in favor of statism and the destruction of individual liberty.

ebrown2 on February 20, 2011 at 7:56 PM

This needs to be viral. It is the truth, and now more than anything else, America needs the truth.

Key West Reader on February 20, 2011 at 7:45 PM

You make a good point. Maybe here or elsewhere, someone has tracked the course of the WI protests. As I see it, early out of the gate, the union supporters screamed about the contribution changes. It took a day or two, but there was one Gallup poll that said about 65% of the country opposed the union supporters. Only then did I start hearing that the contribution changes are wholly acceptable and, instead, the real problem has to do with the collective bargaining issues.

To continue prevailing, Walker needs to leave the currect budget argument aside because that’s already won. He needs to explain why the other changes are necessary so that he’s not viewed as overreaching. I’m with him, but I think he needs to highlight how the top five changes are intended to accomplish this or that.

For example, ending the automatic withdrawal of dues, he may want to find a cost (to taxpayers, of course) of having the goverment dealing with the recordkeeping and remitting of union dues. It may be a little, it may be a lot. Why shouldn’t unions chase their deadbeat members unless you’re telling me that the unions and the government are the same entity.

Come out with easy-to-understand bullet points on that, and the game will really be over.

BuckeyeSam on February 20, 2011 at 8:00 PM

unless you’re telling me that the unions and the government are the same entity.

BuckeyeSam on February 20, 2011 at 8:00 PM

Yes, I think that as we continue peeling back the carpet that we’ve been hiding the fungii under, this may be exactly what we see. And neither party will be able to claim immunity. Just watch.

I also believe that “someone” threw the switch, because all this sh*t has happened in the last few short weeks. My thought is that the switch is none other than Wikileaks, which the O-infestation refused to condemn.

Key West Reader on February 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Just studying the story picture with the sign asking “Separated at Birth” and the comparison is with Hitler – Hitler would be 121 years of age today. Apparently not a very well thought out sign…

ericdijon on February 20, 2011 at 8:37 PM

The vitrol has gone too far on both sides. No one looks good and it’s turning into a circus.

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

The WH has entered the thread.

Key West Reader on February 20, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Bayam’s comment has to be the funniest of the weekend. It deserves the Useful Idiot Award. (UIA)

CWforFreedom on February 20, 2011 at 8:59 PM

No, Madison’s not even close to Cairo, but they have one thing in common, -the Nazi stooge George Soros.

slickwillie2001 on February 20, 2011 at 9:22 PM

Wisconsin has brought all the snakes out of their holes for all the world to see and it is not a pretty sight. Downright revolting I’d say.

Dhuka on February 20, 2011 at 10:57 PM

bayam on February 20, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Concerned much?

OmahaConservative on February 21, 2011 at 4:27 AM

Essentially what Wisconsin is trying to do is put state employees on an even par with private employees in terms of benefits.

Funny. always thought Democrats concerned themselves with fiscal equality.

Funny when it comes time for public union employees (the Democrats’ most important constituency) to have fiscal equality with the private sector, that’s apparently the Third Reich 2.0.

Good Lt on February 21, 2011 at 7:56 AM