Wisconsin governor: If the fugitive Dems don’t come back, I might have to cut funding for their staffs; Update: Assembly forced to recess due to threats

posted at 8:41 pm on February 18, 2011 by Allahpundit

Let’s play hardball.

“The protesters have every right to have their voices heard, but I’m not going to be intimidated into thinking I should ignore the voices of the five-and-a-half million taxpayers,” said Republican Gov. Scott Walker…

With no end to the standoff in sight, Gov. Walker said that if the Democratic senators do not return, he’d consider cutting the funding that pays for their staff.

“If they’re not here, it begs the question whether or not they need to have staff,” he said. “They’re not performing their functions.”

Someone e-mailed me the Wisconsin statute governing “misconduct in public office” earlier this afternoon. Hmmmmm:

946.12 Misconduct in public office. Any public officer or public employee who does any of the following is guilty of a Class I felony:

946.12(1)
(1) Intentionally fails or refuses to perform a known mandatory, nondiscretionary, ministerial duty of the officer’s or employee’s office or employment within the time or in the manner required by law; or

946.12(3)
(3) Whether by act of commission or omission, in the officer’s or employee’s capacity as such officer or employee exercises a discretionary power in a manner inconsistent with the duties of the officer’s or employee’s office or employment or the rights of others and with intent to obtain a dishonest advantage for the officer or employee or another;

The “dishonest advantage” in the last part refers, I assume, to lawmakers using information they’ve gleaned from government briefings for, say, insider trading. Section (1) is more promising, but it would raise the issue of what qualifies as a “mandatory” duty of a state legislator and whether there’s any time required by law. If you skip a legislative session because you’re on the trail fundraising or, say, because you’re attending some function for one of your kids elsewhere in the state, technically you might be in violation yet no one would regard that as misconduct. The state AG, in prosecuting them, would have to articulate an “obstruction” argument and hope that the courts are amenable. And even then, putting them on trial would be dicey politically.

Speaking of hardball, here’s what (almost) happened tonight in the lower chamber:

In the Assembly, Republican leaders had called lawmakers to the floor at 5 p.m. to take up Walker’s bill to repeal union bargaining rights for public workers. But they quickly began business just before that hour, when Democrats were not yet on the floor.

Democrats charged into the chamber and shouted to stop the action as Republican staff urged leaders to “keep going, keep going.” Republicans took the voice vote, putting the bill in a stage that prevented it from being amended in that house. Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D-Kenosha) called the move an “illegal vote” and demanded that Republicans rescind it.

“Unbelievable!” Barca screamed. “Unprecedented! Un-American! Not in keeping with the values of the state! You should be ashamed of yourselves.”

Yes, it’s true, there really was a Wisconsin Democrat accusing Republicans of behaving in a shameful, unbelievable, unprecedented manner. The vote was later canceled, the GOP majority leader insisting that he thought Democrats had planned to walk out of this one too. Quote: “Democracy isn’t pretty all the time.”

Two minutes below from Walker talking about democracy tonight. He’s the new BMOC inside the GOP, as you might expect.

Update: The “what if conservatives did it?” line of attack can get old, but really — imagine the reaction if a tea party protest got so raucous that it forced a state legislature to shut down over security concerns. A surreal moment in modern U.S. political history:

Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald said he decided to adjourn the Assembly this evening because Gov. Scott Walker called minutes before lawmakers took the floor to tell him to get his caucus members and staff out of the building because their safety could no longer be assured

The GOP Assembly leadership — Speaker Fitzgerald, Majority Leader Scott Suder and JFC Co-chair Robin Vos — have issued a statement reaffirming their commitment to pass the bill next week.

“The leadership of the Assembly has decided to recess due to security concerns. We will reconvene on Tuesday morning and are confident that the security concerns will no longer exist. We are committed as ever to pass Governor Walker’s Budget Repair Bill and will do so next week,” the statement reads. “Millions of taxpayers spoke in November and we will not let them down. We have a fiscal crisis that can’t be ignored. We have the votes to pass the bill; it is only a matter of time.”

Meanwhile, recall petitions are being launched against some of the fugitive Democrats. Thanks to Steve E. for both links.


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It isn’t the contributions to health and pension plans that they object to that much; they’ve pretty much conceded they have to contribute something.

It’s the right to work provisions in the bill. A teacher would no longer be required to belong to the union to hold the job.

The government would not automatically collect union dues out of the paychecks and forward them to the union. The union has to collect them itself.

The cash cow would be much smaller. All that money passed through to Dem politicians would be less, and with that, the unions’ influence in politics would be diminished.

An “aha” moment. Did not know some of this. I always thought the employer collected and distributed the dues
to the union.

Your comments should be posted everywhere so “we the people” actually know the facts and how far reaching this
Wisconsin situation is.

Amjean on February 19, 2011 at 8:59 AM

Tea Party / Breitbart in Madison will NOT help the situation!PappyD61 on February 19, 2011 at 8:20 AM

Maybe, maybe not.

But it’s sure going to be damn fun to watch.

BallisticBob on February 19, 2011 at 9:01 AM

I do hope that every TP goer stays safe, takes video and steers clear of the union thug rifraf today in this event. I do believe that socialism has to be confronted, these teachers need to be confronted—then summarily fired by their districts and forced to go pay the taxes to support lecherous individuals such as themselves.

ted c on February 19, 2011 at 9:01 AM

heh. gateway pundit has a thread up calling these Dems “Fleebaggers!”

.masterful.

ted c on February 19, 2011 at 9:10 AM

ted c on February 19, 2011 at 9:10 AM

Sweet!

OmahaConservative on February 19, 2011 at 9:15 AM

But we did buy American cars for a heck of a long time and even with the UAW price tag built into the sticker price…and continue to do so.
Dr. ZhivBlago on February 19, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Sucker!

The Japanese have been making superior cars for less money for the last 30 years.

Viva Los Hondas!

Captain Kirock on February 19, 2011 at 5:46 AM

Agreed; I have no interest in anything made by the greedy UAW. The sooner any company run by the UAW goes out of business the better. For far too long the unions have suckered us with their ‘buy American’ horsecrap, when they really mean ‘buy union’. I look for vehicles made in the USA by non-UAW workers.

Avoid the union label!

slickwillie2001 on February 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Call out the national guard if there is a security risk in doing the state’s business -set up temporary prisons for the Marxist-martyrs to have their photo ops (or this will just grow elsewhere)

Someone wrote:
“Cancel state cellphones and credit cards. Stop direct deposit of their paychecks.”

I would give them 24 hours and drop them from their medical programs.

Don L on February 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM

I would give them 24 hours and drop them from their medical programs.

Don L on February 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Is there any proof any of them are alive this morning? Might be able to drop all coverage and end pay checks. ;-)

Yoop on February 19, 2011 at 9:46 AM

If they’re not paying for their hotel rooms etc. themselves using their own money, also charge them with theft and fraud.

andycanuck on February 19, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Gov Walker, make sure the DemocRATs get everything you can give them to make their lives on the run a living hell.
And if they’re using state $.$$ to pay for their hotel, meals & etc it shouldn’t be too hard to track these lawless breakers down.

mmcnamer1 on February 19, 2011 at 10:23 AM

The “what if conservatives did it?” line of attack can get old, but really — imagine the reaction if a tea party protest got so raucous that it forced a state legislature to shut down over security concerns.

exactamundo and the msm has no problem with it

cmsinaz on February 19, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Call out the national guard if there is a security risk in doing the state’s business

Don L on February 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM

I agree with this.

ladyingray on February 19, 2011 at 10:43 AM

And if they’re using state $.$$ to pay for their hotel, meals & etc it shouldn’t be too hard to track these lawless breakers down.

mmcnamer1 on February 19, 2011 at 10:23 AM

They know where they are, in Chicago. That is not a secret.
Pulling money away from them should be the first step…no workee no payee…of course they would argue they are working for their constituents, and protests are part of our heritage.
This has nothing to do about employee rights…everything to do with union power.
If you gave the workers everything, but removed the “must belong to the union”, and union dues collected by they state, they would still be in Chicago.
Or have a check box, “I want my money to go to the DNC…I want my money to go to the RNC”. That has been tried and the union rejected it.
Teachers are being duped, being used…and as “educated” as they say they are, this shows they ain’t.

right2bright on February 19, 2011 at 10:59 AM

If they leave their cell phones on, they can be found. Let them stay gone, do the recall and get someone in there who wants to do what is best for the people of WI, not the union thugs. The gov needs to call in the guard to protect those legislators and staff still working in the capitol. Lock the rest rooms and doors, no one or food in or out. Teabaggers vs fleebaggers. I’ll buy a ticket.

Kissmygrits on February 19, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Call out the national guard if there is a security risk in doing the state’s business

Don L on February 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM

If the state assembly is at risk, move them to Ft McCoy until the risk is passed, investigate the threats and recognize that the best medicine on the battlefield is one thing. Overwhelming firepower.

ted c on February 19, 2011 at 11:24 AM

Breaking

Scott Walker’s Facebook message from about 8:30 AM CST Saturday:

“Enjoyed receiving an email from a Wisconsin man who was an air traffic controller during the Reagan years. Said he supports us.”

BRING IT ON

playblu on February 19, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Scott Walker’s Facebook message from about 8:30 AM CST Saturday:

“Enjoyed receiving an email from a Wisconsin man who was an air traffic controller during the Reagan years. Said he supports us.”

BRING IT ON

playblu on February 19, 2011 at 11:29 AM

GOV Walker has precedent and the will of the people behind him. Moreover, he is right, the state’s budget needs balancing. These union punks need to get with the “Together we thrive” messaging…where the heck have they been the last few months./?/

ted c on February 19, 2011 at 11:36 AM

The least he should do is furlough the staff personnel of the Dems. That would generate some savings.

katiejane on February 19, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Finally, another governor with balls! Elect more people like him to end the reign of the tax and steal Dimocrats that have infested all levels of local, state, and federal governments. The more we spend on public education with their bizarro thinking, the dumber the students seem to become.Ultimately we have ended up with an affirmative action idiot as president of the United States who doesn’t seem to understand basic junior high math!

Marco on February 19, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Someone wrote:
“Cancel state cellphones and credit cards. Stop direct deposit of their paychecks.”

I would give them 24 hours and drop them from their medical programs.

Don L on February 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM

I’d start passing bills that don’t require a quorum of both parties, but need just a simple majority, which the GOP has right now.

On the list may be:

1. Ensuring no state funds are expended for ObamaCare
2. Photo ID at voting booths
3. Mandatory detaining of illegal aliens
4. Stiff penalties for individuals or companys employing illegals
5. Outlawing the Democrat party in WI
6. etc..

BobMbx on February 19, 2011 at 11:42 AM

2. Photo ID at voting booths
BobMbx on February 19, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I think that one is already in the works, there is holy hell being raised about it too..suprise surpise. Some call it the toughest in the nation. Ive read it and dont think its that big of a deal.

TheVer on February 19, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Do any of those state cellphones have GPS in them? Easy for the state troopers to catch them if they’ve slipped back into WI.

Wethal on February 19, 2011 at 12:16 PM

This looks more to me like an attempt to overturn a duly elected state government. The President could stop it with a phone call to the DNC and the AFL-CIO. I’m not holding my breath.

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/memo-to-democrats-it-s-time-to-end-the-wisconsin-insurrection

jdawg on February 19, 2011 at 12:17 PM

imagine the reaction if a tea party protest got so raucous that it forced a state legislature to shut down over security concerns.

If that would’ve happened the President and his cohorts in crime would’ve jumped right in with the military declaring martial law, rounding up and incarcerating all tea-partiers.

People, this President is a thug, just like the union ones he is shipping in to Wisconsin from other states.

Sterling Holobyte on February 19, 2011 at 12:24 PM

I’d start passing bills that don’t require a quorum of both parties, but need just a simple majority, which the GOP has right now.

On the list may be:

1. Ensuring no state funds are expended for ObamaCare
2. Photo ID at voting booths
3. Mandatory detaining of illegal aliens
4. Stiff penalties for individuals or companys employing illegals
5. Outlawing the Democrat party in WI
6. etc..

BobMbx on February 19, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I agree with every one of those, except #5. While it is a nice thought, doing that would only play into the libs contention of Walker as a dictator.

Just keep doing the right thing, Governor-what needs to be done-and the democratic party in WI will explode from their insane hatred, exposing their true power-hungry, money-grubbing selves.

Sterling Holobyte on February 19, 2011 at 12:32 PM

maverick muse on February 19, 2011 at 7:35 AM

well said maverick, a good read. Public Unions are especially perplexing, it’s not like their employer, the tax payer, gets a seat at the negotiating table.

Daemonocracy on February 19, 2011 at 1:33 PM

FOLLOW THE MONEY!
I want to know who’s paying for that Best Western in Rockford or where ever they are now. These people don’t believe in anything enough to pay out of their own pocket for it.

Pole-Cat on February 19, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Somebody is paying the hotel/restaurant bills. They aren’t on official business, so they better not be using state credit cards.

I suspect it is the unions, and may constitute an illegal gratuity/campaign contribution.

Gov. Walker, please find out!

Adjoran on February 19, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Can somebody explain to me WHY Gov. Walker exempted police and fire unions from his plan to curtail union bargaining rights?

RAB on February 19, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Agreed; I have no interest in anything made by the greedy UAW. The sooner any company run by the UAW goes out of business the better. For far too long the unions have suckered us with their ‘buy American’ horsecrap, when they really mean ‘buy union’. I look for vehicles made in the USA by non-UAW workers.

Avoid the union label!

slickwillie2001 on February 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM

So American pickups are “horsecrap”? I have a ’99 Ford Ranger and have had no major problems whatsoever. Also I bought an ’86 Nissan new years ago and ran it until around 2000. The Nissan was assembled in Tennessee. OK, so some American non-union workers got paid. Well, that means the profits went to Nissan in Japan.

It’s the same with most anything we buy now. The American store clerk (non-union) gets paid by Wal-Mart or say Target but the profits for the wholesale of those items go to China and maybe to an American company which has the product manufactured in Japan.

Whichever manufacturer makes money does us little good over here as there is no chance of them hiring on more American workers if business is better for them.

The vast majority of manufacturing jobs sent overseas had nothing to do with unions. Most factory in the U.S. have never been unionized. We were sold out by our own government officials (remember all those Chinese guys visiting the White House off and on throughout the years from Bush, Sr. on up?) being lobbied and bought by Beijing, and capitalists taking advantage of a Third World work force.

Do you really think that Americans over here should work for less than they do overseas in developing countries just so they can say they have a job?

What’s the deal…is this a case of “Well, if I’m unemployed by God everyone else should be!” ?

Jealousy over people that organize for better pay and benefits? If many of you here make so much money on your own, I’d really like to know how and learn from you. I suspect many of the most bitter anti-teacher, anti-union posters here are unemployed (chronically I suspect), retired or on disability of some sort.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM

It took me all of one minute to find what you were asking for. How about you do your work yourself you lazy sh*t.

Keemo on February 19, 2011 at 7:13 AM

Yeah, so brave sitting God knows where behind that keyboard, aren’t ya, Pal?

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 19, 2011 at 4:49 PM

Yeah, so brave sitting God knows where behind that keyboard, aren’t ya, Pal?
Dr. ZhivBlago on February 19, 2011 at 4:49 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Funny, that’s exactly what I was thinking about you, “Zhiv” head

fabrexe on February 19, 2011 at 6:39 PM

So this is all interesting to watch. BTW, I just heard today that Abraham Lincoln once jumped out of a window to prevent a state vote in IL. :)

Who knew!

AnninCA on February 19, 2011 at 6:33 AM
Have you ever considered a two story jump?

theaddora on February 19, 2011 at 8:44 PM

So this is all interesting to watch. BTW, I just heard today that Abraham Lincoln once jumped out of a window to prevent a state vote in IL. :)

Who knew!

AnninCA on February 19, 2011 at 6:33 AM

HAH, You watch Fox and Friends!

hawkdriver on February 20, 2011 at 8:22 AM

Jealousy over people that organize for better pay and benefits?

No, I hate the idea of them being inefficient workers and more worried about their bennies than their products. I also wonder about the fact that not too long after 9-11 a union was willing to shut down the Port of San Diego when the rest of the country was hurting. I personally still wonder about both organized crime influence and from The Communist Workers Party.

If many of you here make so much money on your own, I’d really like to know how and learn from you.

I’m a retired Army Pilot and contractor teaching the M Model transition to Army Pilots. We’re non-union. We never will be. Learn to fly a helicopter.

I suspect many of the most bitter anti-teacher, anti-union posters here are unemployed (chronically I suspect), retired or on disability of some sort.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Or have worked their whole life without the need or desire for anyone to do their employment bidding for them. Unions have run their course. They’re an impediment to the future of our economy and our country.

hawkdriver on February 20, 2011 at 8:33 AM

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM

BTW, I have tolerated the inferior quality of Chevy pickups for the better part of 10 years now. First an S10 and now a Colorado. They are made poorly. Next time I’ll try a Ford or go back to imports. I’m tried of trying to be patriotic in my purchases, while Union autoworkers are getting drunk and high on their breaks.

hawkdriver on February 20, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Jealousy over people that organize for better pay and benefits?

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM

You don’t “organize”. You threaten and intimidate and if your demands aren’t met you carry out the threats.

Unions = Mafia

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Next time I’ll try a Ford or go back to imports.

hawkdriver on February 20, 2011 at 8:37 AM

I always buy Fords. I still have a ’92 Ranger.

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 9:09 AM

I’ll share something with you here that I was talking to my FB friends about regarding the WI situation:

If ever called to strike, I will not do it.
My school district actually, financially, treats me very well compared to the others around us.
I mean come, I work 182 days/yr! I get 10 sick days/per year & 3 personal days/yr. They pay 1/2 my retirement, I pay the other 1/2.
WTF is wrong with any of that?!
+ I did not even mention that they have been paying almost 95% of a FAMILY medical ins policy! My share right now of a $1100/mo rate is $78! WTH?!
I CANNOT EVER complain about this!
While it is true I could make more $$ in the private sector, I am a working ranchwife. Since I have a short work year, I am the ‘hired’ hand we cannot afford to pay.
I have made a choice on this.

You know what is really crazy? I started teaching when I was abt 33 or so. By the ND 85 Rule, I could actually start drawing some retirement at like 55yo or so! It’s better for me if I wait til I’m like 65 or 67 bcs I will receive a greater %.
But still.

I happen to be a North Dakota Ed. Asscn. member.
Here in ND the union doesn’t really have much power.
We individually decide to join. Bargaining is not collective.
As an individual, you may decide to bargain with teh district yourself, though all the union & non-union members in our tiny rural school ‘district’ vote to let us union members do it.
The only reason I am a union member is for the lawyers they would pony up for me if some kid or parent decide to sue me etc. You have no idea how easy that is for people to do.
And I do not trust my community nor my administration (worthless leeches) to stand behind me.
I have no desire to lose my life’s worth financially over a lawsuit from someone bcs I had to hire a lawyer to protect myself.
I opt out of all political donations etc when it comes to union stuff.
I’m not the minority here in ND when it comes to this position.

Badger40 on February 20, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Or have a check box, “I want my money to go to the DNC…I want my money to go to the RNC”. That has been tried and the union rejected it.
Teachers are being duped, being used…and as “educated” as they say they are, this shows they ain’t.

right2bright on February 19, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Heere in ND we have a choice how our dues are used politically.
I refuse to have my dues go to their political activities & I always check the box NO for this purpose.
I like having a choice.
The public employees of WI should have a CHOICE regarding union membership & where their due go if they are a member.
I have that choice. Why can’t they?

Badger40 on February 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Heere in ND we have a choice how our dues are used politically.

Badger40 on February 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Why are any union dues going to politicians to begin with? Money just breeds corruption … look at Wisconsin where they’ve been buying off democrats for years.

darwin on February 20, 2011 at 11:07 AM

I suspect many of the most bitter anti-teacher, anti-union posters here are unemployed (chronically I suspect), retired or on disability of some sort.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Or maybe you could actually listen to those who are against the teachers’ union on this and understand that it’s the taxpayer funded and over generous pension, tenure and cadillac healthcare plans they get while education in this country is less about educating and more about pushing a liberal agenda?

Though I am sure smearing people and attacking their motives is easier for you. Yes they’re “jealous”, that’s all it is, how simple.

Daemonocracy on February 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM

So much for “bipartisanship” and “civility” – not that either has ever been a two-way street.

Let’s dispense with the silly notion we can “negotiate” with the left. They never do so in good faith.

No, they are like vampires – no matter how badly they seem to be defeated, they will keep coming back until you drive a wooden stake through their hearts, cut off their heads, and burn the foul and unholy corpse. Remember to say a prayer as you do it – for your children and your country, the left have no souls to pray for.

Adjoran on February 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM

Attending a legislative session after a Call of the House certainly seems to me to fit the definition of ministerial act:

A ministerial act is an act, especially of a governmental employee, in carrying out the mandates of statutes, legal authority, established procedures or instructions from a superior, without exercising any individual discretion.

Note that the Call of the House procedure does allow for excused absence. The Badger-14 are not excused. I’ve been wondering if a write of mandus could be obtained against them. They have fled the state to avoid being compelled to perform their lawful duty, at some point soon it’s time for that to have consequences for them.

Anyone know what the Wisconsin senate rules are for expelling a member, or otherwise removing them from office. Recall will take quite a while, and isn’t the senate’s call. Impeachment requires both houses.

LarryD on February 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM

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