Have teacher unions nuked the fridge?

posted at 10:12 am on February 17, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

It started in New Jersey, where Chris Christie decided that the only way to real education reform was to challenge the powerful teachers union in the state, 200,000 members strong, and to do it loudly and boldly.   That effort has spread through several states, with the latest battleground erupting in Wisconsin, where teachers staged a wildcat strike with mainly unwitting students in their tow.  As Politico’s Jennifer Epstein reports, even Democrats have stopped defending tenure and other job protections demanded by teachers unions:

In Wisconsin, about 1,000 teachers called in sick Wednesday to protest Gov. Scott Walker’s attempt to strip their union bargaining rights.

In Washington, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie recounted his battle with his state’s teachers unions Wednesday, calling their leaders “greedy” and “selfish.”

And in Nevada, Indiana and Florida, Republican governors are targeting teacher contracts and work rules to fix a system they say is broken. “The status quo has put us at the bottom of the heap,” Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval told POLITICO.

The events point to a convergence that is remaking the politics of education. Teachers unions, historically one of the most powerful interest groups in American politics, are being besieged like never before – under attack from conservative GOP governors with a zeal for budget-cutting even while taking fire from some Democrats, including President Barack Obama, who has suggested he agrees that unions can be an impediment to better schools. … On both sides of the aisle, politicians are unhappy with how teachers are compensated, hired and fired, and are eager to introduce reforms.

Teachers unions dropped $40 million on the midterm election, which Democrats desperately needed — and which did them almost no good in the end anyway.  The public has grown angry over decades of accelerated spending and federal interference in education with little to show for all of the resources sunk into it.  The government protects education as a near-monopoly, where only the wealthy can have actual, real choice in how their children are educated.  Union control of education has led to mediocrity rather than excellence, and sclerosis where there should be innovation.

Their tactics have grown threadbare as well, Patrick McIlheran argues in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.  In fact, if teachers had hoped to generate sympathy for their plight in Wisconsin, they should instead prepare for some significant backlash to their wildcat strike:

The public-sector union tantrums, meant to make lawmakers wobble, have an inadvertent message for the rest of us: Voters can vote all they want. We can elect a cheapskate governor and a Legislature to match. But come the moment, unions will have the last, loudest word.

They’ll have it if takes marches. They’ll have it if it takes what amounts to an illegal strike, with so many Madison teachers calling in sick Wednesday that the district closed schools. If it takes showing up for a we-know-where-your-family-is protest on Walker’s Wauwatosa lawn while he was at work, the unions are sure they can outshout any election result.

This is exactly why Walker is right to limit the unions’ power over government spending.

Furthermore, taking the kids out of classes to march with them underscores another significant concern of the public regarding education.  Most of the students marching with their teachers had no idea of the finer points of Governor Scott Walker’s proposal to bring teacher pension contributions in line with the private sector, a position the union called “slavery” just a couple of months before conceding the point.  Nor do they understand the budget gap that Walker faces, or the nuances of economic policy, tax burdens, and growth policies.  All they know is what their teachers told them — and that speaks to political indoctrination conducted in public schools by activist teachers, and the inability of parents and communities to weed out inappropriate politicking in classrooms.

Thirty years ago, the public saw teachers as underpaid and overworked professionals trying to prepare the next generation for leadership.  These days, the teachers unions are doing their best to present an image of arrogant entitlement combined with an inability to withstand scrutiny and accountability.  When that $40 million failed to rescue Democrats from their midterm debacle, it may well have been a nuke-the-fridge moment that brought a dawning realization of the political albatross that teachers unions have become.

Update: Kevin Binversie says the targeted schools in Wisconsin were not chosen by coincidence:

Beaver Dam and Watertown are direct shots at the Fitzgerald brothers — Jeff and Scott — who “just happen” to be the State Assembly Speaker and State Senate Majority Leader.

Meanwhile, Dodgeville, Richland, Sauk Prairie, and Mineral Point are in the 17th State Senate District; think that’s a message to State Senator Dale Schultz (R-Richland Center).

Can’t get any clearer that Racine United is a message to State Senator Van Wanggaard (R-Racine)

And, seriously, could they not hide Glendale / River Hills as a way to go after State Senator Alberta Darling (R-River Hills), co-chair of the Joint Finance Committee?

Kevin calls his list “interesting.”  I’d call it … instructional.


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LOL, on Drudge… Police are out looking for missing Democrats who were required to show up for a vote.

Too funny. Dereliction of duty anyone?

Key West Reader on February 17, 2011 at 1:34 PM

No Joke….The Senate cannot vote on the bill unless they have 20 members present. The GOP has 19, and all 14 Dems have left the city…The Senate leader has called in the police to round up the democrats in a “call for assembly” Dems refused and are AWOL…

This is better than Egypt…

PatriotRider on February 17, 2011 at 1:39 PM

LOL, on Drudge… Police are out looking for missing Democrats who were required to show up for a vote.

Too funny. Dereliction of duty anyone?

Key West Reader on February 17, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Not even original, either. The Dems in Texas pulled this crap during the redistricting battles of the mid-2000s, crossing the border into Oklahoma in order to prevent a quorum call on votes.

They weren’t amused when the Texas Rangers eventually drug them back to Austin.

teke184 on February 17, 2011 at 1:39 PM

The Legislature’s budget committee passed the bill on a partisan vote just before midnight. Several opponents in the crowd broke into tears as Democrats on the committee encouraged them not to give up the fight.

“I’m sad. Scared. Disappointed,” said Kelly Dzurick, a 31-year-old fifth-grade teacher in Elkhorn, who came to the Capitol on Wednesday night. “Nobody’s listening to what people say.”

Hey Kelly: the people of your state said something last November; apparently you didn’t hear, though.

Vashta.Nerada on February 17, 2011 at 1:39 PM

The Democrats of the Wisconsin Senate have run.

F**king cowards are skipping work, and holding up the democracy they are named for by keeping the needed 20 out of 33 Senators from being present so that the bill can be voted on.

This is the lowest, most chickens**t kind of politics there is.

MadisonConservative on February 17, 2011 at 1:37 PM

What recourse does the governor have with these a-holes? Obviously they can’t stay away from the legislature forever.

Doughboy on February 17, 2011 at 1:43 PM

I mentioned a week or two ago that EGYPT was just a CLOWARD PIVEN rehearsal for what they wanted to do here.

I’m sorry I was right.

President Cloward Piven wants to set this country on Fiscal fire so that it can be TRANSFORMED into what he thinks it should be.

God help save a free America.

PappyD61 on February 17, 2011 at 1:43 PM

BREAKING NEWS!

Being reported by Republican Senator that all wisconsin Senate Democrats all got on a bus and left the state!

Spinless Cowards.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Wisconsin Senate Dems are…..Renegades.

d1carter on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Whiney unions, whiney Dem politicians, whiney Trolls. I doubt Wisconsin has enough cheese to go with all that whine.

kingsjester on February 17, 2011 at 1:45 PM

If they are smart these Dem Senators, they will have boarded a plane for Canada about now. lol

jeanie on February 17, 2011 at 1:46 PM

I mentioned a week or two ago that EGYPT was just a CLOWARD PIVEN rehearsal for what they wanted to do here.

I’m sorry I was right.

PappyD61 on February 17, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Beck’s been talking about that too. I didn’t necessarily think he was crazy, but I did think he was overreacting just a bit. Not only did he turn out to be right, but we didn’t even have to wait for it to happen.

Doughboy on February 17, 2011 at 1:48 PM

If they are smart these Dem Senators, they will have boarded a plane for Canada about now. lol

jeanie on February 17, 2011 at 1:46 PM

From what I heard, they did the next best thing and left for Illinois. Somehow, I figure that the Chicago PD will find ways to keep the Wisconsin cops from taking them into custody.

teke184 on February 17, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Being reported by Republican Senator that all wisconsin Senate Democrats all got on a bus and left the state!

Spinless Cowards.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

So have they abdicated their office? Can the legislature proceed without them now?

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

They Left The State?????

Cindy Munford on February 17, 2011 at 1:51 PM

So have they abdicated their office? Can the legislature proceed without them now?

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM

All I’m hearing is the police are out looking for them. They republicans need 20 for a quorum. They have 19.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Unions in Wisconsin are calling these reasonable measures Hitleresque, as if Hitler was anti-union. He was not. Hitler dismantled unions & reorganized them to get rid of Jews in their hierarchy as well as make them more pro-Nazi. Hitler was very pro-union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front

itsnotaboutme on February 17, 2011 at 1:53 PM

When the going gets tough…

kingsjester on February 17, 2011 at 1:53 PM

BREAKING NEWS!

Being reported by Republican Senator that all wisconsin Senate Democrats all got on a bus and left the state!

Spinless Cowards.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Department of Education bus…?

d1carter on February 17, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Being reported by Republican Senator that all wisconsin Senate Democrats all got on a bus and left the state!

Spinless Cowards.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

IMPEACH

Good Lt on February 17, 2011 at 1:54 PM

So have they abdicated their office? Can the legislature proceed without them now?

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM

That’s what I’m wondering. If 20 Senators are needed to vote on the bill and the 14 Democrat Senators remain in hiding indefinitely, then the state legislature can’t do anything. They should either be booted from office or prosecuted for that.

Doughboy on February 17, 2011 at 1:55 PM

All I’m hearing is the police are out looking for them. They republicans need 20 for a quorum. They have 19.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:52 PM

I’m just wondering if there are any Senate rules that might cover this allowing Republicans to vote in their absence. It’s not like they all contracted an illness … they purposefully fled.

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 1:55 PM

News reporter on 620 WTMJ radio in Milwaukee said he had just talked to Republican Senator Alberta Darling and that’s what she told him. There has been no confirmation however the reporter said he has been all over the capital and the Dem’s are definitely not in the building

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Being reported by Republican Senator that all wisconsin Senate Democrats all got on a bus and left the state!

Spinless Cowards.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Wisconsin Democracy.

MadisonConservative on February 17, 2011 at 1:55 PM

All I’m hearing is the police are out looking for them. They republicans need 20 for a quorum. They have 19.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:52 PM

They’re just getting a head start from the rest of their Oppressive brethren on how to run from the law.

Colbyjack on February 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Thanks for the updates.

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Apparently, it is ok to ignore the will of the people when you are a democrat.

Vashta.Nerada on February 17, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Unions are are, and have been acting just like the Mafia. First they demand money and if you don’t pay up they threaten shutdowns and violence. If you still don’t agree to their demands they carry out the threats.

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Being reported by Republican Senator that all wisconsin Senate Democrats all got on a bus and left the state!

Spinless Cowards.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

cancel their pay. clean out their offices. arrest them.

ted c on February 17, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Apparently, it is ok to ignore the will of the people when you are a democrat.

Vashta.Nerada on February 17, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Hell, it’s always been ok. They do whatever they want.

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 1:59 PM

I really can’t believe they would do this. My jaw dropped when I heard it on the radio. I’d like to get a second confirmation on this.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 2:00 PM

Headline on Drudge:

DEMOCRATS FLEE WISC CAPITOL

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 2:01 PM

I know that US congressmen cannot be arrested/ticketed if they are heading toward the capitol for a vote, and was wondering if there is an opposite clause that authorizes their arrest if they are not where they are ordered to be when a vote needs to take place.

ted c on February 17, 2011 at 2:02 PM

So if they Democrat ran away, who’s really more like Murbarak?

Cindy Munford on February 17, 2011 at 2:03 PM

Looks like the report is being confirmed.

Profiles in courage.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 2:03 PM


Unions in Wisconsin are calling these reasonable measures Hitleresque, as if Hitler was anti-union. He was not. Hitler dismantled unions & reorganized them to get rid of Jews in their hierarchy as well as make them more pro-Nazi. Hitler was very pro-union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front

itsnotaboutme on February 17, 2011 at 1:53 PM

The latest from that intelectual giant on the Left:

Maher: Lenin and Stalin Were Right Wing

However, his fellow lefties have managed the astounding propaganda feat of getting people to consider Hitler right wing, as if limited government and totalitarian government were somehow the same cause.

“I suppose people would say the Russian Revolution was hijacked by the left-wing. But I think when you go that far left, you’re really the right-wing. I consider Lenin and Stalin right-wingers.”

Colbyjack on February 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Sounds to me like they all just resigned.

WisCon on February 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM

“The story around the world is the rush to democracy,” said Democratic Sen. Bob Jauch of Poplar. “The story in Wisconsin is the end of the democratic process.”

From the Drudge story.
Dear God … the people voted to clean up the mess in Wisconsin and it’s the unions ending the democratic process.

Evil, corrupt people. The nation is watching.

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Can the union kneecappers be far behind?

d1carter on February 17, 2011 at 2:07 PM

But so far, Democrats have been powerless to stop the bill.

“The story around the world is the rush to democracy,” said Democratic Sen. Bob Jauch of Poplar. “The story in Wisconsin is the end of the democratic process.”

The end of the democratic process in Wisconsin, as far as I can determine, is due to all of the democrats fleeing the state, instead of doing their job and respecting the will of the voters.

Vashta.Nerada on February 17, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Be

ing reported by Republican Senator that all wisconsin Senate Democrats all got on a bus and left the state!

Spinless Cowards.

WisRich on February 17, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Great. They are probably going to Chicago. That’s what Illinois needs…

more Democrats. /

Fallon on February 17, 2011 at 2:14 PM

I wonder how many of these protestors are from out-of-state.

MadisonConservative on February 17, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Governor should fire all the teachers that don’t show up to work tomorrow. I remember something like this happening to airline workers a bit while back…

Meanwhile, the dems that didn’t show up to vote should be impeached immediately.

RedbonePro on February 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I wonder how many of these protestors are from out-of-state.

MadisonConservative on February 17, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Jeff Wagner 620wtmj is reporting that they all got on a bus and went to Illinois!

P. Monk on February 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM

The Dem senators have walked out and are holding up the process.

Apparently it is so loud inside that they can’t even hold a live news interview.

WisCon on February 17, 2011 at 1:01 PM

Apparently they have left the state, there won’t be a vote for now. I don’t think they can vote with the Dems missing.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Governor should fire all the teachers that don’t show up to work tomorrow. I remember something like this happening to airline workers a bit while back…

Meanwhile, the dems that didn’t show up to vote should be impeached immediately.

RedbonePro on February 17, 2011 at 2:19 PM

He actually has the right to fire any of the “sick-out” teacher NOW who can’t prove they really were sick.

This is considered a wildcat strike and, under US labor laws, has been illegal since the 1930s. Wildcat strikers may be terminated at any time with no repercussions, per court rulings.

teke184 on February 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM

I wonder how many of these protestors are from out-of-state.

MadisonConservative on February 17, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Jeff Wagner 620wtmj is reporting that they all got on a bus and went to Illinois!

P. Monk on February 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Sorry….Brain dead! Yes, a very good question. A lot, would be my guess.
Wagner is reporting that the Dem state Senators all got on a bus and went to Illinois!

P. Monk on February 17, 2011 at 2:26 PM

The irony is that these union protected bums are screwing the very minorities they are professing to aid-indeed, to a large extent, are on the same side of the political fence with.

When Blacks and Hispanics graduate from inner city high schools functionally illiterate, they have been condemned to mediocrity by their alleged political allies.In fact teachers unions are worse than the UAW. If US auto workers turned out cars 75% defective even the UAW would demand redress. But, at least in the cities, a 75% failure rate with students is of little concern and, in fact, the norm-and it does not stop the unions from demanding healthy pay raises for the criminals who created this horrid scenario.

MaiDee on February 17, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Apparently they have left the state, there won’t be a vote for now. I don’t think they can vote with the Dems missing.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Can you imagine if the Republicans would have done this when Doyle was Gov. ….Oooo the out cry!

P. Monk on February 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM

State Sen. Roberta Darling is reporting to 620wtmj that Dem.
Sen. are on a bus leaving the state.
I really don’t know how to feel about this. I was so proud
when my state went red and we elected a true Conservative to Gov. for the first time in my lifetime and maybe ever. This just shows how much more work Conservatives and the Tea Party Movement have yet to do.

P. Monk on February 17, 2011 at 2:38 PM

teke184 on February 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Exactly. They should all be fired today. Then move on over to all those other public unions that are there to support the teachers.

We should get rid off all public unions. The Dems would starve if it were not for these leeches.

Sporty1946 on February 17, 2011 at 2:47 PM

I’d point out that the administrators in most school districts are not competent stewards of the public fisc.

Part of the problem on a local level, at least around here, is that people in education, even administrators, actually believe in all kinds of touchy-feely garbage and the administrators can never hold firm against teh union for fear of upsetting people. This leads to the unio always gettnig 3 -5% pay increases, every year, even durnig bad economies and never having to pay more for health insurance. The administrators get rolled in every CBA negotiation. I’ve seen it personally dozens of times.

There is absolutely nobody looking out for the public’s interest when it comes to these things. Same when it comes to disciplining or firing a teacher. Even with how difficult it is b/c of stupid state laws, the administration won’t even try most of the time b/c they want to give everyone 3rd and 4th chances.

And don’t get me started on teachers in general. Anyone with a degree in “education” should not be teaching. It should be math majors teaching math, science majors teachnig science, english majors teaching english, history majors teaching history. And no master’s degree in education is necessary or even useful.

Let’s cut the b.s. Most teachers, while they might be very decent or nice people, are not the best and brightest. And that is because we have created a “profession” of teaching where you get an eduction in “education” which is a bunch of pseudo-psychology garbage that has nothing to do with any subject matter material or actual teaching.

Monkeytoe on February 17, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Fire the dems who left. This is dereliction of duty.

The public has figured out how lavishly it supports the teachers, cops and other ‘sacred cows’, while the public is unemployed, loses homes and etc.

‘Pitchfork’ the porksters. Send the inepts home or make them live in more modest means than those who sustain them with their taxes.

Schadenfreude on February 17, 2011 at 3:00 PM

I don’t think that these teachers are going to get much sympathy from the voters in Wisconsin.

SC.Charlie on February 17, 2011 at 11:32 AM

You have no idea how much support they WILL get. Very Dem, very pro union and very progressive state. They have tons of support, they are already talking of impeaching Walker in a year. It is on every blog, all over FB and in every Wi newspaper thread. They will organize to try to do just that.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Gosh, just like Greece.

Dhuka on February 17, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Fire all of the teachers who strike and arrest all the legislators who fled the assembly and bring them to vote in chains.

woodNfish on February 17, 2011 at 3:38 PM

As a dyed in the wool Badger, I can only hope that Scott Walker can continue to channel his inner Reagan.

My dearest fantasy?

WEAC = PATCO

VelvetElvis on February 17, 2011 at 12:44 PM

Are you surrounded by many that think the opposite like I am?

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Yeah, apparently the democrat position is unless the Republicans give into their spending demands they’ll shut the government down. OK … go ahead.

darwin on February 17, 2011 at 12:57 PM

They are talking like that in Madison too, shut down the capital. Go ahead. I work in private sector. I will still go to work and still get paid.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 3:58 PM

You have no idea how much support they WILL get. Very Dem, very pro union and very progressive state. They have tons of support, they are already talking of impeaching Walker in a year.
wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Then how do you explain last November?

Vashta.Nerada on February 17, 2011 at 4:01 PM

THE UNION USED CONCRETE AROUND HIS CLASSROOM DOOR TO SEAL HIM IN THERE.

If there had been a fire he could have died. He taught me a lot about unions- I still admire the guy.

NTWR on February 17, 2011 at 1:11 PM

What time frame was this?

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 4:02 PM

It’s always the OTHER guy who’s too greedy, isn’t it? All this cost-cutting and belt-tightening needs to be applied to THEM, but not to ME, right? How much are you personally going to sacrifice to help the economy? Exactly.

pm123 on February 17, 2011 at 1:17 PM

I don’t have any benefits, I pay my own healthcare. I make a meager wage. I sacrifice every day and part of my wages pays for their benefits via taxes in the state of Wi.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 4:04 PM

F*ing Erpenbach. That clown needs to bite me. He shouldn’t even be in office, except that he stole the election, and now he’s holding up the legislature because he doesn’t like what they are doing. Too bad, loser. So where do they go? Chicago, presumably to find some more union thugs to import to Wisconsin. If there’s one thing Wisconsin hates, it’s flatlander interlopers.

This whole escapade is going to blow up in their faces.

tcn on February 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Two great “anti union” stories for your entertainment -

1. I can’t recall the decade; probably the 70′s. My father
owned a concrete construction company and the union bosses
were bothering him and his employees. This went on for
some time. One day when the union bosses pulled up they
were met with my father’s employees riding on the back of a flatbed truck with shotguns. Not a word was exchanged and the union did not return. Oh, for the good ole days!

2. One of my clients owned a manufacturing company in Chicago. The union thugs were harassing him and his employees; he had a few employees who were gung ho to go
union (these were the lazy employees go figure) and were
telling the employees how much better they would have it if they were unionized. My client held a meeting and told his
employees, if you go union I will close down the factory.
Well, eventually they voted to unionize. That evening, semi trucks pulled up to the docks and took everything out of the building and put a “for sale” sign up. He sold everything and retired to Florida. Ah, again, the good ole days!

Amjean on February 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Where I work, if you’re a no-show, you have effectively resigned.

labrat on February 17, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Apparently they have left the state, there won’t be a vote for now. I don’t think they can vote with the Dems missing.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Can you imagine if the Republicans would have done this when Doyle was Gov. ….Oooo the out cry!

P. Monk on February 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Oh but the teachers union voted Doyle in twice. Wait till their pensions are unfunded and the gravy train bank is busted.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 5:07 PM

I wonder how many of these protestors are from out-of-state.

MadisonConservative on February 17, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Seiu from chicago?

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 5:12 PM

F*ing Erpenbach. That clown needs to bite me. He shouldn’t even be in office, except that he stole the election, and now he’s holding up the legislature because he doesn’t like what they are doing. Too bad, loser. So where do they go? Chicago, presumably to find some more union thugs to import to Wisconsin. If there’s one thing Wisconsin hates, it’s flatlander interlopers.

This whole escapade is going to blow up in their faces.

tcn on February 17, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Especially before Memorial Day. The summer sucks enough when they pour over the border.

MadisonConservative on February 17, 2011 at 5:18 PM

You have no idea how much support they WILL get. Very Dem, very pro union and very progressive state. They have tons of support, they are already talking of impeaching Walker in a year.
wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 3:31 PM

Then how do you explain last November?

Vashta.Nerada on February 17, 2011 at 4:01 PM

closet voters like me. I don’t DARE talk politics even in my own family and surely not on FB. I have more than 10 in my immediate family that are either teachers, state and local government employees. We can not speak out loud. Our only power is in the voting booth.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Amjean on February 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Great stories, and I bet that manufacturing company’s employees found out the hard way to appreciate the job that they had.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Amjean on February 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Great stories, and I bet that manufacturing company’s employees found out the hard way to appreciate the job that they had.

wi farmgirl on February 17, 2011 at 5:32 PM

There are many cases where greedy unions forced factories to close, but when it happens the union leadership doesn’t consider it a defeat, but a victory. That’s because they value the solidarity of the union movement above the welfare of individual members.

slickwillie2001 on February 17, 2011 at 5:55 PM

As a public school teacher, I would like ti known that my pension investments should not be guaranteed by the state.
If the stock market tanks & my pension fund is worth less bcs of it, well that’s what people with 401Ks have to deal with, too.
So why do I get a protected status as state employee?
This is BS.
My fellow union members don’t like me saying this. I say it loud.
Our state legs. are looking into this,too.
I got my parroted form letter from the NDEA.
I made my own letter & sent it out.
We do not deserve total protection from things that the private sector people don’t get protected from, just bcs we are employed by the state.
It is utter nonsense & it is entitlement arrogance.

Badger40 on February 17, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Teaching jobs are hard to come by.
Rational Thought on February 17, 2011 at 10:19 AM

I wouldn’t really say that.
Here in ND, & on the reservations, they can’t get applicants for many of the teaching jobs.
8 yrs ago there were only 2 applicants for my job: me & my sister in law.
8 yrs ago there were NO applicants for our empty principal job.
So we didn’t have noe.
Then the next year we got ONE applicant & that is the loser we have now. Somebody else’s reject trash.
And our school system is falling apart bcs of it (not the onyl reason, but a bog one).

Badger40 on February 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM

You’ll have to excuse my errors, I have a sticky keyboard & I’m in a hurry.

Badger40 on February 17, 2011 at 7:23 PM

….then the state legislature can’t do anything. They should either be booted from office or prosecuted for that.

Doughboy on February 17, 2011 at 1:55 PM

them not doing anything might be a blessing in disguise.

Red State State of Mind on February 17, 2011 at 9:23 PM

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