Failing to Grasp the Social Security Problem
posted at 6:40 pm on February 16, 2011 by Jazz Shaw
There are a number of persistent memes coming from one side of the aisle about the future of Social Security and what, if anything, needs to be done about it to right the nation’s fiscal ship. Some are clearly hyperbolic, such as the oft repeated story about how certain politicians want to “throw old people out in the streets so we can give tax cuts to the rich.” That may win some points come election time, but it’s not based in reality.
A second, and perhaps more damaging theme, is demonstrated again this week by Steve Benen at The Washington Monthly. Of the four biggest items presenting budget challenges to the nation, Steve goes so far as being willing to admit that, “Medicare is facing fairly serious fiscal problems.” (Thanks for that, by the way.) But then follows it up with the all too common song and dance claiming that Social Security is just fine. Nothing to see here. Move along.
To do so, he quotes Kevin Drum in a favorable light.
The weird thing about this is that Social Security isn’t even hard to understand. Taxes go in, benefits go out. Unlike healthcare, which involves extremely difficult questions of technological advancement and the specter of rationing, Social Security is just arithmetic…. Right now, Social Security costs about 4.5% of GDP. That’s going to increase as the baby boomer generation retires, and then in 2030 it steadies out forever at around 6% of GDP.
That’s it. That’s the story.
He then goes on to explain that if Social Security does mysteriously become a problem, there’s a quick and easy fix for it. Can you guess what it is?
Our choices are equally simple. If, about ten years from now, we slowly increase payroll taxes by 1.5% of GDP, Social Security will be able to pay out its current promised benefits for the rest of the century. Conversely, if we keep payroll taxes where they are today, benefits will have to be cut to 75% of their promised level by around 2040 or so. And if we do something in the middle, then taxes will go up, say, 1% of GDP and benefits will drop to about 92% of their promised level.
That’s right. We’ll just jack up the taxes to cover it. (*sigh*)
What’s missing from this cogent analysis is the real problem with the current Social Security system. Kevin points out that, “taxes go in, benefits go out.” And to a point, that much is true. What he fails to note is that for many decades now, the system has taken in more than it pays out each year. (With a few recent exceptions.) The surplus revenue is immediately raided by Congress for the general fund and replaced with low interest Special Issue Treasury Bills, which represent nothing more than a huge stack of IOU’s that the government owes itself.
As soon as the situation permanently flops the other way – with the system taking in less than it pays out – not only will we no longer be able to raid that extra money to fund the current budget, but we will have to pay back the shortfall out of those IOU’s, leaving Congress with not only less money to work with, but a very large and very critical bill come due. The more the shortfall accelerates, the more the pinch is felt in the federal pocketbook at more than double the rate.
And taxing your way out of this problem isn’t going to work. Particularly when we have members already looking at enhanced federal revenue streams – read taxes – to cover the rest of our sins. Yes, the Social Security problem can be fixed far more easily than tackling the rest of the entitlement issues and defense spending, but it needs to be done now, not later. And it’s going to take some adjustments in benefits, retirement age and more to keep the system from turning into a vampire that sucks the treasury dry before the baby boomer gap finally winds down.
This sort of head in the sand thinking isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems. And pretending it will in order to curry votes from seniors with hyperbolic threats will not win the future. Wake up. The wolves are at the door.









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Memes testing?
profitsbeard on February 16, 2011 at 6:43 PM
The problem goes back to LBJ’s time when the Congress started spending the surplus. Had the government put the surplus into Gold there would be no problem now. To rob from those who have contributed to the fund now is outright theft, and delaying the retirement age is a form of theft. I agree we should never have started Social Security but to solve the problem by robbing the victims is immoral. If it takes taxes to solve the problem that is compensation for less taxation during the years taxes were less when the surplus was spent. Over time, we should minimally migrate to a SS plan similar to what is in Chile.
marti124 on February 16, 2011 at 6:48 PM
Powerful ending to a very good post Jazz!..:)
Dire Straits on February 16, 2011 at 6:51 PM
Pretty simple fix actually, the people at the top of the pyramid are not going to get any benefits at all at some point in the scheme. Simply put, means testing will be invoked and will escalate down the income level stream and will stabilize at some point about $50,000 or so to get just basic SS benefits. Never mind that most middle class workers will have paid literally 6 figures or more into SS over their working lifetime and get nothing in return.
The only problem with that is, Congress will have to look for other very significant revenue streams when the SS cash cow dries up as the article states.
Johnnyreb on February 16, 2011 at 6:53 PM
One of the remedies to this mess to make it more visible, is to separate the Social Security/Medicare out of the budget and have it stand alone like it used to. When they “fixed” the system back in the 80′s and created the surplus, the merged the 2 budgets together to mask the general revenue budget deficit with the SS surplus. Since they did that over 25 years ago, or longer, we have a whole generation that never has seen the 2 stand alone. The SS surplus made our deficits look a lot lower all these years, and now we are at the tipping point.
We need some Perot style infomercials in prime time with lots of graphs and pie charts and get in the faces of all of the producing Americans, so they see what is happening to their tax dollars. Guaranteed win on the issue and the 2012 if someone does this.
karenhasfreedom on February 16, 2011 at 6:53 PM
Re “throw old people out in the streets so we can give tax cuts to the rich,” — it’s more like ‘throw old people out in the streets so the greedy teachers unions can get their regular raise right on time, or so we can have an EPA to indulge California lefties’ fetish for environmentalism, and so little Bammie can add 200,000 federal employees for who knows what, and so we can give Government Motors another $19B’…
slickwillie2001 on February 16, 2011 at 6:56 PM
Social Security was never meant to fund the travels and non-productivity of people for 30-40 years.
TWO years of good life expectancy. That’s what Social Security was meant to fund.
Sorry Baby Boomers, but you’ll have to work longer… or allow the economic collapse to fundamentally change the country your grandchildren will have to (try to) survive in.
Duh, and the AARP of course.
NTWR on February 16, 2011 at 6:58 PM
The immoral actions were taken by those who raided the funds received and designated for this program and spent them elsewhere. The theft happened in the past. If the consequences of those actions are that the promised payments are no longer available, that’s sad, but not immoral.
TexasDan on February 16, 2011 at 6:58 PM
One huge problem with SS is that when it was started in 1935, life expectancy was lower than the age benefits kicked in. Now, people routinely live active, healthy lives well into their 80′s which is about 20 years on SS.
Do the math. No way, no how will it ever work in its present form. Retirement age would need to be 75 for people born in the 60′s to compare to the original 1935 plan.
mrsmwp on February 16, 2011 at 6:59 PM
Someone explain to me why social security is needed.
keep the change on February 16, 2011 at 7:00 PM
Great minds…
mrsmwp on February 16, 2011 at 7:01 PM
Shhhh. It isn’t. The problem is, Congress can no longer raid the huge surpluses it used to generate, but they can’t cancel it because baby boomers paid in a butt ton of money into the program expecting to get their promised benefits.
Johnnyreb on February 16, 2011 at 7:06 PM
Means testing.
And raise the eligibility age to 75, based on what NTWR said.
ConservativeTalkRadio on February 16, 2011 at 7:07 PM
Math is SO HARD!
Opposite Day on February 16, 2011 at 7:08 PM
So lets take an example, I worked for 55 years and between me and my employer we both paid into SS 13 percent of my income for those 55 years. Say on the conservative side that would be about $357,500 over those years without interest if the average annual income was $50,000. According to your plan, I would be forced to give that money up and get nothing in return while subsidizing everyone else who did not save, because I being a good person saved too much money for my retirement while I worked? Sounds like a good plan to me.
Johnnyreb on February 16, 2011 at 7:15 PM
I posted this earlier on another thread but it seems to go well here so I’m quoting myself… and thanks to r keller who answered me on the other thread…
petunia on February 16, 2011 at 7:15 PM
That didn’t post as cleanly as I wanted… but it’s too long to keep trying. I hope you can figure out what is me and what is the Commission.
petunia on February 16, 2011 at 7:17 PM
Eventually every Ponzi scheme comes to an end.
GarandFan on February 16, 2011 at 7:21 PM
Because all socialistic-minded Euro-style future-oriented nations have one, of course! If you paid attention in your state-run Education-Gulag, you’d know this!
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dmh0667 on February 16, 2011 at 7:23 PM
Here is what you dont get, when you have someone pay into a so called retirement program with absolutely no expected return on their investment while subsidizing other people, you get WELFARE.
Any means testing after a person has contribuited to social security program their entire working life should be labeled for what it is. Let’s call a pig a pig.
Johnnyreb on February 16, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Chile has Social Security figured out and we need to learn from them.
But does it work???
Gonzalo Lira is a must-read on the subject. Chile used to be run the way the US is now- Corporatism/Fascism. Unfortunately it took a dictator in Pinochet to stop the people from fighting each other (Unions vs private sector, rich vs poor, etc. etc.)…
NTWR on February 16, 2011 at 7:28 PM
Social Security solvency is as simple as………
THE PAPPY PLAN!
1. Seal the Border!
(Saves Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Eduction spending, drives crime rates down, cuts off growing Mexican Gang problems, cuts off the Reconquista of the entire American Southwest……shall I go on?)
2. 10% across the board Federal spending cuts.
(use the Libs favorite words on them to defend this effort…..”FAIRNESS”, “DEFICIT REDUCTION”……and “balancing the Federal checkbook”.)
It’s simple, and easily understandable.
The House GOP should just cruise Hot Air posts and we’ll provide them with all the insight they need into how to FIX anything!
PappyD61 on February 16, 2011 at 7:33 PM
You are correct as to what you get is welfare. That is exactly what the Supreme Court ruled in 1960 regarding Social Security. Government could spend the money any way they liked (no trust fund) and you aren’t entitled to anything. Of course that neglects the tar and feathering of Congress if they ever admitted the truth of this Ponzi scheme
chemman on February 16, 2011 at 7:34 PM
There is a solution, it’s the one Obama intends to use, debase the currency. It’s why he has run up all that national debt. Well, one of three reasons.
Pay off the debt with worth less paper dollars, pay off those social security trust fund IOUs with worth less electronic digits in your direct deposit checking account.
When a loaf of bread costs $10, when gas costs $5-$8-$10 a gallon those imaginary digits in your checking account are going to be worth less.
It will bring down the government, ‘cuz those baby boomers aren’t going to die quietly. They’ll wrap those walkers around some politicians neck first.
Skandia Recluse on February 16, 2011 at 7:39 PM
this won’t stop dear leader from doubling down…
cmsinaz on February 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM
Here is what you do not get. The government created a welfare program and called it an insurance policy. For many years you paid a ‘payroll tax‘ in exchange for a government promise that you will get a small check during your retirement from the surplus collected. Your grandparents, parents and your generation decided to spend that surplus on pretty, shiny stuff. Now it is gone. You do not have the right to demand your kids and grandkids pay so you can live large. So sorry that the government wasted that part of your tax money too :(
Dawnsblood on February 16, 2011 at 7:46 PM
From what I’ve just read (via links above) about Chile, I see some merit there, but of course the argument there is going to be the stock market and inevitable crash, again…
Tim Zank on February 16, 2011 at 8:14 PM
The fix for SS is to anyone, regardless of their age. that wants out of the system the opportunity to do so for a fee of $x. Whatever is already paid in is forfeited. Millions would opt for this even if the fee was $50,000 or even $100,000. And anyone under 30 can move to an all private SS system of their choice.
And the way to fix the general fund is to cut everything but defense across the board by whatever percentage balances the budget. And vote out any politician that votes no on it.
AZCON on February 16, 2011 at 8:53 PM
Exactly, but I would only add that whether you’re the one whose writing the check or your employer, you’re the one who pays. I’m self-employed so I write both checks, but my situation is no different than anyone who is not self-employed, it’s just that I’m aware of the massive amount that’s being paid into this system.
When we calculate the tax burden of SS on the individual, we don’t include the amount of the check written by the employer as part of the employee’s tax burden, but we should.
PackerBronco on February 16, 2011 at 9:10 PM
Exactly.
The problem is that “fixing” Social Security is just a means to create more surplus in SS to be raided to “fix” the rest of the budget. You can keep fixing entitlements all you want until they don’t exist, but you will never have enough money to actually fix the rest of the budget as it continues to grow.
Social Security is easily fixed by adjusting the FICA taxation. That isn’t necessarily the best fix, but it will work in the short term. Eliminating Social Security with a Chilean plan is probably ideal.
But the real problem is that the rest of the budget is $2.4B with only $800M in revenue to cover it. That is what is causing the deficits and principally needs to be addressed.
The Social Security problem is a trap for Republicans. It makes it look like they are balancing the budget on the backs of retirees. Listen to Harry Reid and take SS off the table and address the real budget problems.
Sebastian on February 16, 2011 at 9:18 PM
as I said in my response to Petunia on the other thread the Dem’s natural response is to lever this into an increase in taxes
SS is quite a shell game. as everyone has mentioned, 12.4 percent of our wages go to the Feds (at least for those under 107K)…that’s a big chunk of change.
Rs should emphasize this. For the last 20 years that 12.4 percent has been a slush fund for our “leaders” to party down
They are still using it to hide their true spending ways. Then, we all the IOUs come due, they’ll want to hike taxes on those working to pay for new retirees. So one sad truth is that our Pols are corrupt and will do anything to buy votes.
The second sad truth is that there is a large fraction of people literally have no way to support themselves after they retire.
Had we turned the whole thing into a welfare program 40 years ago we’d be way better off. Just take money out of the general revenues and pay people a monthly stipend if they need it.
r keller on February 16, 2011 at 9:45 PM
So earner Joe dies young. His benefits don’t end. His wife and his kids continue to get separate benefits. If Joe becomes disabled, he has SS benefits.
Not saying this is wrong, but there will need to be some adjustments. We can’t pay benefits that are totally out of relation to the income.
ElRonaldo on February 16, 2011 at 9:55 PM
But theft in this sense is already a given – It’s happened. The plan cannot deliver on its promises to those who have paid in without committing theft against someone else. Someone younger. The plan is not actuarially sound and would be rejected by any state insurance commissioner in the nation if it were submitted for approval by some insurance company as an annuity policy. It’s a Ponzi scheme. As such, the longer you let it run larger the bottom of the pyramid gets and the more people who get burned with the whole thing collapses.
tommyboy on February 16, 2011 at 10:26 PM
Didn’t Madoff go to jail for running something similar to this?
bayview on February 16, 2011 at 10:29 PM
They’re not exactly low-interest by design. Indeed, the assumption is that they’ll earn a 5.7% interest rate (a full 2 percentage points above inflation) in the future.
steveegg on February 16, 2011 at 10:38 PM
These people are head-in-the-sand “deniers”.
exdeadhead on February 16, 2011 at 11:25 PM
Ya gots to get in on a Ponzi scheme early….
SS Payroll taxes were first collected in 1937,
The first monthly payment was issued on January 31, 1940 to Ida May Fuller of Ludlow, Vermont. In 1937, 1938 and 1939 she paid a total of $24.75 into the Social Security System. Her first check was for $22.54. After her second check, Fuller already had received more than she contributed over the three-year period. She lived to be 100 and collected a total of $22,888.92.
roflmao
donabernathy on February 16, 2011 at 11:38 PM
Ok taxes go in benefits go out… excess taxes in have been spent by congress. So what should have happened to the money? If the money were to be invested what would you want our government to invest in? The stock market? The only other option would be stuffing money in a very large mattress. It would have been nice if the excess were returned to the taxpayers to invest into their own investments, like George Bush wanted.
The IOU’s are really no different that a treasury bond, which is also an IOU. The current practice with treasury’s when they mature is to buy them back with a new even bigger treasury bond, we never actually “pay off a treasury bond”.
The US debt has continued to rise even when we claim to have a a budget surplus. Which never really happened. The problem with federal bookkeeping is excess social security funds are double counted, once to reduce the deficit, and again as a debt obligation of the treasury.
Dasher on February 17, 2011 at 12:18 AM
You have zero chance to see this but… If you have been working for 55 years… this plan will not effect you in any way. Unless you plan to live past 2050.
I will be 89 in 2050. These changes won’t do much to effect me either.
This is a plan that will protect the future. It is much closer to what you signed up for… 50 years ago all social security was going to do was soften the last few years of people’s lives… most people were never going to get back everything they put in. That isn’t how it was designed to work ever… most people were supposed to die off, so it was only helping the longest lived few.
And I don’t have a problem with calling it Welfare. There is nothing very descriptive about Social Security. What does that even mean? I’m sure it was a term thought up by some progressive who was hiding what it really was.
petunia on February 17, 2011 at 1:13 AM
Some one working for 55 years now, must be about 75, so add 39 years, that means in 2050 they would be 114.
At 114 a 69 year old is going to seem like a spring buck!
Those 69 year old whipper snappers have no business retiring they’ve probably not even had their first hip replacement!
petunia on February 17, 2011 at 1:29 AM
Boy… I guess we sure could use those 50 million contributors (and their off spring) that someone had the bright idea that it was OK to snuff out … thanks to Roe v Wade. Maybe actions have consequences!
roflmao
donabernathy on February 17, 2011 at 1:32 AM
Wow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_May_Fuller
Pythagoras on February 17, 2011 at 1:35 AM
Good points. Also Benen is apparently ignoring the fact that when it’s time to raise taxes, it will be on the backs of fewer contributors to SS, and if revenues go even lower, due to a consistent unemployment rate of 6.7%–the new “normal”–then that will pressure for even more tax hikes, along with the hit to the treasury when there is no “surplus” to raid to fill the routine fiscal gaps.
Oh, what a web we weave.
Obama’s commission made recommendations; let’s start there. We can cut $4 Trillion from the deficit in 10 years.
mountainaires on February 17, 2011 at 7:11 AM
Benen and Drum are just the echo chamber for the real protagonist here:
Robert Reich. It’s his argument.
http://www.businessinsider.com/budget-baloney-1-why-social-security-isnt-a-problem-and-the-best-way-to-fix-the-small-piece-of-it-that-needs-fixing-2011-2
mountainaires on February 17, 2011 at 7:14 AM
Social Security is a tax. You already gave that money up. Sorry, but those are the facts. And forcing me to give up more taxes for you, does not make it right.
dominigan on February 17, 2011 at 9:39 AM
DUDE, ITS A TAX… NOT A RETIREMENT PROGRAM!!!
Wherever you got your misinformation, they LIED to you! Social Security is a tax. There is no legal expectation for you to get ANYTHING from it. Get over it, and stop expecting others to pay for your lack of thrift. It used to be that the parable of the ant and the grasshopper used to be taught. But I guess the moral of the story would be lost on you…
dominigan on February 17, 2011 at 9:48 AM
BTW, how come BHO has a Connecticut SSN?
Something’s fishy there…..
bannedbyhuffpo on February 17, 2011 at 11:36 AM