Egyptian Army suspends constitution, parliament

posted at 1:30 pm on February 13, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The Egyptian army moved to consolidate its newly-seized power today by neutralizing the political institutions of Egypt, at least for the moment:

The Egyptian military consolidated its control Sunday over what it has called a democratic transition from three decades of President Hosni Mubarak’s authoritarian rule, dissolving the country’s feeble parliament, suspending the constitution and calling for elections in six months in sweeping steps that echoed protesters’ demands.

The statement by the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, read on television, effectively put Egypt under direct military authority, thrusting the country into territory uncharted since republican Egypt was founded in 1952. Though enjoying popular support, the military must now cope with the formidable task of negotiating a post-revolutionary landscape still basking in the glow of Mr. Mubarak’s fall but beset by demands to ameliorate hardships that percolated across Cairo on Sunday.

Since seizing power from Mr. Mubarak on Friday, the military has sought to strike the right note, responding in words and action to the platform articulated by hundreds of thousands in Tahrir Square. But beyond more protests, there is almost no check on the sweep of military rule, and while opposition leaders welcomed the moves some have quietly raised worries about the role of the army in Egypt’s future.

This is actually good news, at least from the American perspective.  We want a transition to democracy, but one that doesn’t involve chaos and radicals from the Muslim Brotherhood to seize control in the midst of it.  Egypt needs some time to allow alternative voices of democratization to organize into competing political parties that will keep the Ikhwan from asserting its current organizational advantage over other voices that the Mubarak regime suppressed more successfully.

The Obama administration seems to have belatedly realized this as well.  They have recovered from their demands for an immediate transition to democracy and apparently have instead begun quietly acquiescing, at least, to transitional control by the army in the form of Omar Suleiman’s de facto regency.  This gives the US the best chance to influence events, since the army gets a significant subsidy from the US, as well as acting as a brake on Islamist ambitions.  The White House should be hoping that Egypt’s army will eventually position itself as a bulwark against radicalism in a democratic state, in the same manner as Turkey.

However, that depends on whether Omar Suleiman is a reincarnation of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk rather than a successor to Hosni Mubarak.  There are few examples of military coups resulting in the birth of democracies; Ataturk’s was one of the few.  Usually when armies seize power, they keep it, which is exactly what happened in Egypt in 1952, resulting in Nasser’s elevation to president-for-life in 1956.  And in 1952, Nasser and the other leaders of the revolution ostensibly intended to establish a democracy in Egypt, too.


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As they say, be careful for what you wish for…

Blake on February 13, 2011 at 1:32 PM

The Egyptian army is holding a scorpion, and they know it. Will the peeps give them time to organize elections, or will the peeps betray them? That is the real question. The army knows the state is at stake. The peeps? Not so much. They just want their ‘share’.

Yes, I believe in law and order before flowers and unicorns.

Limerick on February 13, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Only a mindless liberal or a leftist could suspend the parliament and the constitution, install a military junta to rule the country and still declare it a move towards democracy. Unfortunately, Obama too appears to subscribe to this BS.

rplat on February 13, 2011 at 1:37 PM

whether Omar Suleiman is a reincarnation of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk rather than a successor to Hosni Mubarak

I understand the analogy but the future ruler of Egypt is either in the Muslim Brotherhood or among the officer’s corps of the army.

It’s not going to be Suleiman. He’s a transitional figure to the next stage.

I think the key split to look for is among the military. That is one between the officers and the rank-and-file soldiers. If the officers can keep the soldiers in line, this has a chance of turning out okay.

If not, then everything is up for grabs.

SteveMG on February 13, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Sean Penn, you’re our only hope.

Mojave Mark on February 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM

. . . at least for the moment.”

Ain’t that an understatement.

BigAlSouth on February 13, 2011 at 1:39 PM

However, that depends on whether Omar Suleiman is a reincarnation of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

My money says he’s a reincarnation of Alexander Kerensky…

Bruno Strozek on February 13, 2011 at 1:41 PM

I pray that Mossad is popping caps all over the MB right now.

Limerick on February 13, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Oh, no Hope and Change for the Egyptians after all?

Shocked, just shocked I tell ya.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 13, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Democracy. /s

That was a nice swap; a military autocracy for a military autocracy–sheer progress.

Demosthenes on February 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Egypt’s New Military Rulers To Ban Unions, Strikes

CAIRO – Egypt’s new military rulers will issue a warning on Sunday against anyone who creates “chaos and disorder”, an army source said.

The Higher Military Council will also ban meetings by labor unions or professional syndicates, effectively forbidding strikes, and tell all Egyptians to get back to work after the unrest that toppled Hosni Mubarak.

Hey…maybe they are on to something.
Sorry Trumka.

NeoKong on February 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM

It will be fun watching the BLM continue to rewrite the narrative to favor Obungler as Egypt does a death spiral into an Islamic Republic.

SurferDoc on February 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM

@rplat: A mindless liberal, a leftist, or maybe Milton Friedman.

Seth Halpern on February 13, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Mustapha Kemal, is dat you?

mojo on February 13, 2011 at 1:55 PM

If only we could get China to send them a billion dollars in aid and let us claim it is from the U.S., it would be groovy. OTOH, I guess we could just print it and not worry about dumping our inflationary burden on a country which imports 60% of its grain needs. Say, is this one of those WTF moments?

a capella on February 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Deserves the repetition:

Good bye Dictator, hello Military coup and Military Junta!
Some of the great Military Juntas in modern history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_junta

albill on February 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Caststeel on February 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM

SurferDoc on February 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM

should be interesting…

cmsinaz on February 13, 2011 at 2:01 PM

SteveMG on February 13, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Small addition: military vs. military is usually middle officers vs. generals. Don’t recall enlisted vs. officers. Even Cpl. Schickelgruber went civilian.

Caststeel on February 13, 2011 at 2:07 PM

The Obama administration seems to have belatedly realized this as well. They have recovered from their demands for an immediate transition to democracy….

Idiots.

Either they are completely, stunningly, dangerously, incompetent, or nefarious.

Either choice exposes the current administration as a direct threat to American interests.

aquaviva on February 13, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Hey, maybe Jimmuh II can find somebody to give away the Panama canal to, as well?

mojo on February 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-12/egypt-economy-may-need-stimulus-for-jobs-radwan-says-update1-.html

Egypt’s economy may need a stimulus package to help create jobs, Finance Minister Samir Radwan said today, after President Hosni Mubarak bowed to pressure from hundreds of thousands of protesters and stepped down.

“There is a need for a stimulus package that is very closely related to employment,” Radwan said in a telephone interview from Cairo. The government will run the daily affairs of the country until further instructions from the military council that Mubarak yesterday left in charge, he said.

William Amos on February 13, 2011 at 2:15 PM

No matter what the outcome, when’s the killing start?

BowHuntingTexas on February 13, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Wait- so you mean the Facebook Revolution that CNN was hyperventilating over, is not leading to a good liberal democracy. Mubarak essentially booted for incompetence? Realpolitik?
Shocking- the area has such a fine tradition of honest good government.
Well- as long as someone like Suleiman is in charge , thats fine by me.

jjshaka on February 13, 2011 at 2:23 PM

It took the West 2000 years or so of stumbling about to enshrine “democracy” into our ethos. Egypt has until September.

BL@KBIRD on February 13, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I’m far from convinced that a constitution vacuum that benefits the worst of the worst having the political advantage is good for much of anything.

Bully’s is as bully’s does and considered wisdom can’t thrive in such an environment.

Lenin’s, Trotsky’s, they’re all up in that, Jefferson, Washington, not really.

Did you notice? The Egyptian army sent the Parliament home, suspended their constitution and our media reported it like what it was the weather.

Why do you suppose our MSM doesn’t recoil at the prospect?

Speakup on February 13, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Wait til the Egyptians wake up and find out they’re camel is still in the ditch, to borrow a popular metaphor.

Kissmygrits on February 13, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit the Egyptian military…

/

Seven Percent Solution on February 13, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Who gets to tally the votes? I don’t think they’ll let Jimmuh do it. If the Muslim Brotherhood allows the UN in there to watch over the election, that is all you’ll need to know about the UN. Weren’t they demanding to send observers to watch the US elections? Surely they’ll demand to be a part of the Egyptian election.

Buddahpundit on February 13, 2011 at 2:33 PM

ATTAURK OR NASSER?

NEITHER.

AT BEST: ERDOGAN.

reliapundit on February 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Did you notice? The Egyptian army sent the Parliament home, suspended their constitution and our media reported it like what it was the weather.

Why do you suppose our MSM doesn’t recoil at the prospect?

Speakup on February 13, 2011 at 2:29 PM

The answer is so obvious my dog forced me to write this response for him:

“The MSM is unaware of the role of a Constitution and a governing body…all they can comprehend (and report) is the visual.”

Mubarak is gone! Mubarak is gone!

So, whats next?

What do you mean? We get democracy now!

BobMbx on February 13, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Hint: Nasser, Sadat and Mubarek were all military.

Thread Winner.

To wit:

Although the officers behind Egypt’s 1952 revolution abandoned their uniforms long ago, Egypt’s rulers have been generals in suits for decades.

Robert_Paulson on February 13, 2011 at 2:52 PM

Isn’t Democracy great?
– Chris Matthews

angryed on February 13, 2011 at 2:52 PM

“We only want to help you,” the tyrant’s spokesman says.

Kralizec on February 13, 2011 at 2:53 PM

I think this is looking really good! The MB and other barbarians will be held in check while the mechanisms for establishing a legit form of democracy can be put in place. It’s what we did in Iraq and it’s what’s needed in Egypt. The good news is that Egyptians are doing it without us!

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 2:55 PM

OK, so I’m the Egyptian military and we need to remove Mubarak and install a new military ruler. What to do?

1. Stage some fake protests confined to the square
2. Wait for the radicals to arrive
3. Take pictures of, and identify, the radicals
4. Force out Mubarak under the ruse of “r.evolution”
5. Suspend the constitution, parliament
6. Round up the radicals.
7. Appoint new military leader.
8. Continue as before

faraway on February 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Did you notice? The Egyptian army sent the Parliament home, suspended their constitution and our media reported it like what it was the weather.

Why do you suppose our MSM doesn’t recoil at the prospect?

Speakup on February 13, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Because under the constitution elections have to be held right after the resignation of the President (Mubarak). As there is no organized opposition, an election under the auspices of the constitution would be a farce with the likely beneficiaries being the dreaded brotherhood. The media was pointing this out when powers were ceded to the Vice President…

As for Parliament… it’s not like democracy dies a death when they are dissolved. The MPs were elected in rigged elections so it might seem counter intuitive but suspending the constitution and dissolving parliament doesn’t have the same impact as it would have in other countries but yeah I can see why these acts would be alarming in just about any other context.

lexhamfox on February 13, 2011 at 2:56 PM

This transition period might be really, really slow, IYKWIMAITYD.

a capella on February 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM

The army in Egypt isn’t just the army. The generals own everything as well. They run industry. The military is the politburo. If anyone for a second thinks the generals will just going to walk away from that power, influence and above all else, money, then you’re more deluded than Ernesto and Grow Fins.

Egypt may one day get democracy. But it won’t happen because the generals give it to them voluntarily.

angryed on February 13, 2011 at 3:00 PM

However, that depends on whether Omar Suleiman is a reincarnation of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk rather than a successor to Hosni Mubarak. There are few examples of military coups resulting in the birth of democracies; Ataturk’s was one of the few. Usually when armies seize power, they keep it, which is exactly what happened in Egypt in 1952, resulting in Nasser’s elevation to president-for-life in 1956. And in 1952, Nasser and the other leaders of the revolution ostensibly intended to establish a democracy in Egypt, too.

If a reader makes it as far as the third paragraph, he will learn that Ed Morrissey is not obviously ridiculous. However, the first two paragraphs seem to be the same sort of pap one can read in the writings of most any decent, left-”liberal” writer. Ed Morrissey could usefully make a practice of leading with his point, rather than burying it under two inches of the saccharine nonsense that seems best used as Miracle-Gro for tyrannies.

Kralizec on February 13, 2011 at 3:05 PM

Egypt may one day get democracy. But it won’t happen because the generals give it to them voluntarily.

angryed on February 13, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Even if they promise because they have the welfare of all Egyptians as their first priority?

a capella on February 13, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Kralizec on February 13, 2011 at 3:05 PM

I suspect Ed intended that readers take in the entire post rather than quit after the first two paragraphs.

lexhamfox on February 13, 2011 at 3:09 PM

If you want a really good perspective on the Egyptian army, look on itunes for Bryan Suits. He’s an Army Reserve Captain that has deployed to Desert Storm, Bosnia, and Iraq. He’s trained with Egyptian Army Officers and has a good view of “boots on the ground” in the middle east.

He has a weekly 2 hour show on KFI AM-640 in Los Angeles called The Dark Secret Place. It’s a weekly look at what’s going on with the GWOT, foreign military, weapons and all that good stuff. It’s a great podcast and he’s funny as heck.

You’ll learn something new every week, guaranteed!

TugboatPhil on February 13, 2011 at 3:19 PM

LMAO as I’m reading the comments in this thread. Just yesterday H/A posters were wetting themselves over the evil MB. War with Israel was a done deal and folks were buying days in the pool for when it would start. So now we see that the transition to democracy will be a controlled process and up pops all the new conspiracies.

Here’s a thought. Maybe all of you hysterical chicken littles ought to take a nice chill pill. If the military doesn’t show progress towards democratic institutions the people will once again shut down the country and deprive them of a tenable position from which to govern. They’ll be forced in to a fight with the people just like Mubarak was.

Sorry those of you who were hoping for another Iranian revolution to make PBHO look even worse than he is, this deal has nothing to do with him. He’ll probably benefit from the MSM’s account. So he was born with a lucky horseshoe up his a$$.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM

“Several people should be recognized for their serendipitous feats of colossal intellect regarding Egypt. Any way the Egyptian democracy wind blows, it took me, myself, and I to have this happen.” -President Barack Hussein Obama

FlatFoot on February 13, 2011 at 3:24 PM

So he was born with a lucky horseshoe up his a$$.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Perhaps.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-boot-iraq-20110213,0,7998923.story

a capella on February 13, 2011 at 3:37 PM

What do you mean? We get democracy now!

BobMbx on February 13, 2011 at 2:40 PM

How I wish they were that naive.

Because under the constitution elections have to be held right after the resignation of the President (Mubarak).

That’s a rule change.

Egypt is has a wide open lawless vacuum with a segregated military in charge.

Speakup on February 13, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Only a mindless liberal or a leftist could suspend the parliament and the constitution, install a military junta to rule the country and still declare it a move towards democracy. Unfortunately, Obama too appears to subscribe to this BS.

Totally! Have an election straightaway, and let the Muslim Brotherhood win, because they’re the only organized party.

Whatever. Your point is that Obama is at fault. Noted.

YYZ on February 13, 2011 at 3:37 PM

Mubarak was bad for business as usual, and there needed to be a new portait on all the walls.

To really make a change to democracy, they need to create a culture that respects the rights and hence the responsibilities of its citizens. Sadly, there is no country in the world today to set an example for Egypt in that regard. They will likely just stumble towards whichever group offers the most appetizing buffet of handouts.

pedestrian on February 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM

There are few examples of military coups resulting in the birth of democracies; Ataturk’s was one of the few. Usually when armies seize power, they keep it, which is exactly what happened in Egypt in 1952, resulting in Nasser’s elevation to president-for-life in 1956.
–One could argue that while the military may remain the de facto leaders of the country, it’s possible in the longer term that it/they/elements of the same will pass on power to more representative persons. Paraguay, South Korea, Argentina, Chile and Spain all experienced military dictatorships which eventually gave way to constitutionally-ordered, elected, accountable administrations.

Turkey, on the other hand, may not be the kind of democracy Egyptians should emulate. Its successive military coups, primitive restrictions on free speech, often brutal treatment of ethnic minorities (then and now), relative level of political corruption and comparatively violent political culture aren’t indicative of a thriving liberal society, though perhaps that will change. If Turkish ultranationalists have anything to say about it, it won’t.

Grunchy Cranola on February 13, 2011 at 4:12 PM

LMAO as I’m reading the comments in this thread. Just yesterday H/A posters were wetting themselves over the evil MB. War with Israel was a done deal and folks were buying days in the pool for when it would start. So now we see that the transition to democracy will be a controlled process and up pops all the new conspiracies.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM

We are not the ones stupid enough to go around calling a military coup “democracy”.
History shows that the vast majority of revolutions like these do not end in “democracy”……
The Muslim Brotherhood gaining power in Egypt would be a disaster for human rights and for the stability of the region….that’s not “bed wetting”….that’s understanding the consequences of the power vacuum that has been created.

Since you seem to have a crystal ball and know that the “transition to democracy will be a controlled process”…
…maybe you could enlighten us all as to what scenario will transpire in Egypt now that will be better for their people and relations with the West than they were under Mubarak………

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Totally! Have an election straightaway, and let the Muslim Brotherhood win, because they’re the only organized party.

Whatever. Your point is that Obama is at fault. Noted.

YYZ on February 13, 2011 at 3:37 PM

What are you worried about the Muslim Brotherhood for….
….all of you super smart liberals have already established that they are just a “small minority” of “secular” guys in the neighborhood that “eschew violence”…..

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Egyptian Army suspends constitution, parliament

Yeah but they’re gonna have elections in September, right?…..Right?

Oldnuke on February 13, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM

You soiled yourself imagining that the MB would take power and they with Iran would form a big, bad Caliphate to beat up on poor, little Israel. As I repeatedly said over the last few weeks, MB is as evil as advertised but they were not going to hijack the revolution. I don’t claim a crystal ball, but I sure as hell am so so paranoid as to have given a moment’s credence to the hysterical blathering going on around here.

As for what will happen, my best guess is what I just said. The military will have no choice but to broaden participation in government. The Egyptian economy has cratered due to the current uprisings. The military cannot rule a nation that repeats these demonstrations any time soon so they will be forced to get with the program themselves. You don’t imagine that Mubarak stepped down voluntarily do you? If not, then why should it be different for the next strongman unless he makes a lot of democratic reforms?

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM

but I sure as hell am so not so paranoid as to have given a moment’s credence to the hysterical blathering going on around here.

Corrected.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:36 PM

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM

WTF was all of that about. You used two paragraphs to say nothing that hasn’t already been stated a dozen times.

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 5:42 PM

What do we know for sure:
1> This was a military coupe.
2> If the Suez Canal shuts down, oil prices will sky rocket.
3> Obama and his administration are calling a military coupe an act of Democracy.

None of these developments are good for America, nor are they good for any form of western style government.

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Here is a link to an Israel viewpoint on Egypt and the Middle East!..I agree with him..Keep your eye on the ball!..:)

Dire Straits on February 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM

As for what will happen, my best guess is what I just said. The military will have no choice but to broaden participation in government.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM

So basically your are getting you panties all twisted up over a military coup….not democracy.
Pretty much exactly what I and other people who are actually paying attention stated when we said “things in Egypt will be lucky if they remain as they did under Mubarak or they will get worse turning to an Islamic state.”

Thanks for admitting that all of your and the other Obama cheerleaders yelling about “democracy” had no idea what they were talking about.

You soiled yourself imagining that the MB would take power and they with Iran would form a big, bad Caliphate to beat up on poor, little Israel. As I repeatedly said over the last few weeks, MB is as evil as advertised but they were not going to hijack the revolution.

You claim to not have a crystal ball…then you declare that you can tell the future….make up your mind genius.

You don’t have any idea what-so-ever as to whether the muslim brotherhood will gain power or not.Even if the military stays in control….the brotherhood could easily gain power through them.
If free elections do end up happening…the brotherhood will have serious backing not only in Egypt,but also from Hamas,Iran,and other radical Islamist groups.
Maybe you should take a look at Pakistan and Iran to see how well an Islamic country controlled by the military gets along with radical muslims.

Once again…thanks for admitting that there is no democracy in Egypt and the chances of that happening are slim to none…just like all the so called “bed wetters” here have been saying.

bad Caliphate to beat up on poor, little Israel.

The leaders in Iran and pretty much every radical Islamic group including the brotherhood state that their goals are the modern day Caliphate:

Translated by Palestinian Media Watch, book details group’s goal of global Islamic conquest.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=207415

Hassan al-Banna, the movement’s founder, “felt the grave danger overshadowing the Muslims and the urgent need and obligation which Islam places on every Muslim, man and woman, to act in order to restore the Islamic Caliphate and to reestablish the Islamic state on strong foundations.”

The fact that you want to bury your head in your butt to this reality is your problem…does not mean the rest of us have to share in your ignorance.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM

What do we know for sure:
1> This was a military coupe.

Wrong. This was a popular uprising. Fortunately the military took charge for now.

2> If the Suez Canal shuts down, oil prices will sky rocket.

If an asteroid hits the Earth we’re screwed too. Neither will happen any time soon.

3> Obama and his administration are calling a military coupe an act of Democracy.

PBHO and his admin contradict themselves every 15 minutes. Who gives a rip?

None of these developments are good for America, nor are they good for any form of western style government.

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Actually, the way things are going look quite good for us. Furthermore I see this as very likely to be a huge improvement over Mubarak.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Very good post as always..:)

PS..Read the link I posted above you..:)

Dire Straits on February 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM

You quote me and then lie about what is right there for anyone to read! That makes you nothing more than an unhinged fool. Go bite your pillow in fear if you want but don’t expect me to waste another post setting your dumb a$$ straight.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Actually, the way things are going look quite good for us. Furthermore I see this as very likely to be a huge improvement over Mubarak.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Care to explain… I’ll give it a read, as I could use some good news. The way I see it, this was a military coupe in a country where the ones folks with weapons are the military and the brotherhood.

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:07 PM

The king is dead, long live the king!

Actually, not a bad outcome, all things considered.

OldEnglish on February 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM

You quote me and then lie about what is right there for anyone to read! That makes you nothing more than an unhinged fool. Go bite your pillow in fear if you want but don’t expect me to waste another post setting your dumb a$$ straight.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Where is the lie???????

…or better yet,do your best Olbermann impression and then run away with your “I shall not post with you again”..

What a lightweight punk.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Care to explain… I’ll give it a read, as I could use some good news. The way I see it, this was a military coupe in a country where the ones folks with weapons are the military and the brotherhood.

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:07 PM

You just complained about how you read my reasoning a dozen times! Go make it a baker’s dozen and reread:

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:07 P

No he can’t explain..I asked him the same question and he stated:

“As for what will happen, my best guess is what I just said. The military will have no choice but to broaden participation in government.”

The military can’t get much more “broaden” in participation than it is now,it is in control.
He still has not presented any outcome that is better than the rule of Mubarak or who will take control in elections that will be better on human rights,relations with the West,and control Islamic militants.

MJ is just your typical ankle bitter like all the “experts” that told everybody to go hide under your bed when we warned about Islamic terrorist through the 90′s and warned about Iran’s quest for a nuclear bomb.
As usual they were clueless and all their “bed wetting and hiding under the bed” comments revealed them to be nothing more then uniformed,political hacks.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Actually, the way things are going look quite good for us. Furthermore I see this as very likely to be a huge improvement over Mubarak.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/12/AR2011021203581.html?wprss=rss_world&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wp-dyn%2Frss%2Fworld%2Findex_xml+%28washingtonpost.com+-+World%29

a capella on February 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 6:13 PM

This is what I said: WTF was all of that about. You used two paragraphs to say nothing that hasn’t already been stated a dozen times.

Now you say: You just complained about how you read my reasoning a dozen times! Go make it a baker’s dozen and reread:

You sir either have no reading comprehension, or you’re just a pure as*hole for the sake of being an as*hole. Your comments here on this thread are of little value, they are nothing other than an attempt to stick your finger in the chest of another and poke. This is the perfect definition of a worthless troll. Bravo for you.

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Have any of you seen this new troll (MJBrutus) around before? Did the bosses open up registration again?

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/left+dynamic/4269824/story.html

Maybe the new troll gets his information from these two.

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM

PS..Read the link I posted above you..:)

Dire Straits on February 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Good post.

Of course Israel sees an even greater threat to it’s security with a border nation’s leader going down, leaving a vacuum that can easily be filled with people who proclaim on a daily basis “death to Israel”……

Just today we get this:

Gaddafi also issued a call to Muslim countries to join forces against Western powers. He said the world was divided into white, denoting the United States, Europe and their allies, and green for the Muslim world.

“The white colour has decided to get rid of the green colour,” Gaddafi said. “These countries should be united against the white colour because all of these white countries are the enemies of Islam.”

We had the Iranian regime in the streets calling for the death of America and Israel….

We have had Hezbollah take over Lebanon and continue their calls for the destruction of Israel and America…

We have had Hamas continue their calls for the destruction of Israel and the West…..

We have Al-qaeda’s and the Taliban’s continued call for the same…….

The Muslim brotherhood shares all of these same ideals and calls for the same…..

…..and we are stuck with idiots like MJ here who say that taking these threats seriously is being a “bed wetter”…..

The ignorance from cluess idiots like MJ would be hilarious if it was not shared by so much of the democratic party.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Spengler says the main factor in how this turns out will be China’s very bad wheat harvest.

YehuditTX on February 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Yawn. As though I care what you 2 weapons grade morons think. Go get a room.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Ed, Natan Sharansky agrees with you.

YehuditTX on February 13, 2011 at 6:46 PM

The ignorance from cluess idiots like MJ would be hilarious if it was not shared by so much of the democratic party.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 6:40 PM

I agree!..Keep the great posts coming my friend!..:)

PS..Maybe one night soon we can have one of those midnight music chats with the group!..:)

Dire Straits on February 13, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Yawn. As though I care what you 2 weapons grade morons think. Go get a room.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Highly intellectual response, to be expected. If you don’t care what people think of you, then why take the time to post here a**wipe.

Baxter, where you been lately? Didn’t see you around for a while.

…..and we are stuck with idiots like MJ here who say that taking these threats seriously is being a “bed wetter”…..

The ignorance from cluess idiots like MJ would be hilarious if it was not shared by so much of the democratic party.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 6:40 PM

MJ’s just pissed because the majority of American people are rejecting policy that would allow him to feed off the government tit while producing nothing. These wipes are going to become even more unhinged as our people continue to demand the undoing of most everything Obama/Reid/Pelosi shoved down the throats of a free people. Accountability is a bitch.

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:52 PM

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/02/why-do-some-people-presume-best-of.html

Interesting take on this subject and more…

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:56 PM

So,Libya is calling for a PalestJihady uprising,
against Israel and Iran is on the verge of Iranian
Green Party Protest Freedom Rally Part Deux!!

And,it seems,that 2012 is shapeing up,for Jihady Holy
War,Part,

6,666,666 in da M.E.!!

canopfor on February 13, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Have any of you seen this new troll (MJBrutus) around before? Did the bosses open up registration again?

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

…MJ here is nothing more than an Axlerod groupie regurgitating baseless ignorant blathering and clueless liberal talking points.

This idiocy is a great example:

LMAO as I’m reading the comments in this thread. Just yesterday H/A posters were wetting themselves over the evil MB.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM

According to genius here…taking the muslim brotherhood seriously is “wetting yourself”….
This is who duke of dumbsh!t does not want taken seriously:

“Mother ship for Jihadi Ideologies”

The Muslim Brotherhood has inspired and maintained links with several radical Islamic movements around the world. [7] “The Muslim Brotherhood is the mothership for the jihadi ideologies and thinking. And therefore one can say today’s Al Qaeda, and today many other jihadists, are off shoots of the Muslim Brotherhood.” [8]


Before forming Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Bin Laden’s top deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri and 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed also belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood. [9]

…no big deal according to super smart MJ…..

Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas is an offshoot of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas states in Article II of its charter: “The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. Moslem Brotherhood Movement is a universal organization, which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times. It is characterized by its deep understanding, accurate comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education, society, justice and judgment, the spreading of Islam, education, art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.” [10]

….Hamas is probably a group that MJ here does not see as a threat either……..just some guys in the neighborhood hanging with the Brotherhood.

“Islam will invade Europe and America”

…there is the talk of that Caliphate that MJ says is just some “crazy conspiracy theory”….

The Brotherhood’s official website notes that jihad is Islam’s most important tool for affecting a gradual global Islamic revolution, which begins in Muslim countries, moves on to the reestablishment of the Caliphate over three continents in preparation for a conquest of the West, and finally the imposition of a global Islamic state. [11] The Brotherhood’s goal is the establishment of a global Islamic state with Islamic sharia law. [12]

…well look at that….more of that really inconvenient Caliphate talk coming straight from the Brotherhood….who would have guessed that the Brotherhood was just a bunch of right wingers spreading conspiracy theories.

In 2004, former Brotherhood Supreme Guide Muhammad Akef declared his “complete faith that Islam will invade Europe and America.” In September 2010, the current Supreme Guide, Muhammad Badi’, gave a sermon declaring that “the improvement and change that the [Muslim] nation seeks can only be attained through jihad and sacrifice and by raising a jihadi generation that pursues death, just as the enemies pursue life.” [13]

…listen to MJ…pay no attention to the Jihadist…Glenn Beck is making them say such crazy things……

…oh wait….more inconvenient talk of jihad and the Caliphate coming straight from those “secular” guys in the neighborhood that MJ tells us not to worry about.

In Their Own Words

• “Allah is our objective, the prophet is our leader, the Koran is our law, jihad is our way, dying for the sake of Allah is our highest hope,” is the Muslim Brotherhood’s motto. [14]

• “The Sharia ensures liberty for all.” The organization does not accept the principle of the separation of church and state. [15]

• Rashad al-Bayoumi, a deputy leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, called on any government that replaces Mubarak’s regime to withdraw from the 32-year-old peace treaty with Israel: “After President Mubarak steps down and a provisional government is formed, there is a need to dissolve the peace treaty with Israel.” [16]

• In 2008, the General Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood, Muhammad Mahdi Akef, said: “the change to which the nation is aspiring rests in the confrontation of the tyrants and oppressors on this earth.” He said that this can only be done through jihad and resistance. Akef asserted that the confrontation of tyranny requires the raising of the young people on the basis of the principles of jihad so as to “create mujahidin who love to die as much as others love to live and who can perform their duty towards their God, themselves and homeland.” [17]

• “The Jew, if left to his own resources in Egypt, is doomed to pogrom and persecution.” [18]

• The Muslim Brotherhood’s “spiritual leader”, Yusuf al-Qaradawi: “Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them—even though they exaggerated this issue—he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers.” [19]

You really have to have your head stuck pretty far up your own butt to not take seriously radicals that hate this much, with this kind of international support.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 7:02 PM

PS..Maybe one night soon we can have one of those midnight music chats with the group!..:)

Dire Straits on February 13, 2011 at 6:47 PM

You got it…look forward to it.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Yawn. As though I care what you 2 weapons grade morons think. Go get a room.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Spoken like a true idiot that can’t back up his talking points.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 7:04 PM

While Team Hopey/Changey is/was/still,AWOL on National
Security,

PUCK E Stan,has doubled its warheads!!

How F”$#%^&*()_)(* Progtressive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
=====================================================

Column One: As the lies come crashing down
**********************************************
By CAROLINE B. GLICK
02/11/2011 14:28

Confronting The Obama administration’s assault on reason in the interest of ideological faithfulness,

Israel is faced with very few good options.

In the midst of the political turmoil engulfing Egypt and much of the Arab world, last month’s revelation that Pakistan has doubled the size of its nuclear arsenal over the past four years has been largely ignored.

Nuclear proliferation analysts from the Federation of American Scientists and the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) assess that since 2006, Pakistan has increased the size of its nuclear arsenal from 30-60 atomic bombs to approximately 110. That makes Pakistan the world’s fifth largest nuclear power ahead of Britain and France.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=207742

canopfor on February 13, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Have any of you seen this new troll (MJBrutus) around before? Did the bosses open up registration again?

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 6:31 PM

I have no earthly idea. All I know is that the Mad Hatter went missing at about the same time. Someone else will have to figure it all out from there.

Cheshire Cat on February 13, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Whatever Islam wants, Islam gets.

From the musical “Damn Dhimmis“.

profitsbeard on February 13, 2011 at 7:08 PM

You really have to have your head stuck pretty far up your own butt to not take seriously radicals that hate this much, with this kind of international support.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 7:02 PM

LMAO…. I’m sure the wipe will have a highly intellectual response to all of that information real soon. :-)

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM

I think this is looking really good! The MB and other barbarians will be held in check

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 2:55 PM

MJBrutus: Utopian Dream Catcher Neville Mindset must be
an awesome place!

Heres the money shot,right from the Muslim Brother
hood english website,read ny lips,er,their lips!!

Btw,how does this square!!

Muslim Brotherhood:
********************

We’re totally not interested in a religious state
**************************************************

posted at 8:41 pm on February 9, 2011 by Allahpundit

============================================================

What the Muslim Brothers Want
——————————–
THE Egyptian people have spoken, and we have spoken emphatically. In two weeks of peaceful demonstrations we have persistently demanded liberation and democracy.
—————————————————–
In Egypt, religion continues to be an important part of our culture and heritage. Moving forward, we envision the establishment of a democratic, civil state that draws on universal measures of freedom and justice, which are central Islamic values.

We embrace democracy not as a foreign concept that must be reconciled with tradition,

(but as a set of principles and objectives that are inherently compatible with and reinforce Islamic tenets.)
================================================

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=28004

canopfor on February 13, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Here is a link to an Israel viewpoint on Egypt and the Middle East!..I agree with him..Keep your eye on the ball!..:)

Dire Straits on February 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Dire Straits:Thanks Dire for the linky,it appears da Jihadys
are on a roll!!:)

canopfor on February 13, 2011 at 7:19 PM

You really have to have your head stuck pretty far up your own butt to not take seriously radicals that hate this much, with this kind of international support.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Baxter Greene:Must you shine the Light of Truth…and..and..
back it up with facts…and..and..Linkys..to.
…verify those said facts…..

aren’t you ashamed at exploding trolls minds
eh….eh…..(Snark/sarc):)

canopfor on February 13, 2011 at 7:25 PM

canopfor on February 13, 2011 at 7:19 PM

Yes my friend..they are on a roll and we must keep our eyes on ball as doubletapper posts!..:)

PS..Link comes from our place: Theo Spark!..:)

Dire Straits on February 13, 2011 at 7:31 PM

canopfor on February 13, 2011 at 7:15 PM

And you brain-damaged simpletons cannot read a brief sentence and understand it. The MB are every bit the allahu akbars that have been described. I never said otherwise.

What you can’t understand is that they’re impotent, a word that you ought to know quite well. The military will not let them have any power and most Egyptians don’t want them to either. They did not revolt so they could be like the Iranians.

I won’t kid myself for a second that the above will not once again be lied about, misrepresented, ignored and otherwise be used only to bolster some more self-serving stupidity among you cowardly stooges. But I felt like saying it anyway so have fun tickling each other.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Yep, as predicted… A zinger of an intellectual response delivered and received..

Impotent, really… Jeez

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM

They did not revolt so they could be like the Iranians.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Neither did the Iranians.

The ayatollahs, however, had other ideas.

And the power of The Koran and the Mosque to back it up.

What do the imams intend for Egypt?

Check back on the upcoming Fridays.

.

profitsbeard on February 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Wow.just.Wow!..That was a really a childish post!..:(

Dire Straits on February 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM

What you can’t understand is that they’re impotent, a word that you ought to know quite well.

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Only an uniformed idiot would call a world wide terrorist group who have carried out major assassinations,terrorist acts around the world,and brought us the likes of Osama and his right hand man Zawahiri …impotent.

Truly ignorant.

The military will not let them have any power and most Egyptians don’t want them to either. They did not revolt so they could be like the Iranians.

You have zero idea what the Egyptian military will do and what deals it will have to make to retain power.
Islamic radicals have infiltrated the military and Intelligence agencies of many Islamic nations….or has your dumba$$ not heard of the relationship between the Taliban…Pakisatn military…and the ISI.
….or maybe you could venture out of your huffpo bubble and look at how the Republican Guard and the Mullahs run Iran…

….You also apparently have no clue as to how close the Egyptian people and the beliefs of the Brotherhood coincide:

Put simply, Egyptians support Islam, its expanded role in the country’s civic life, as well as Shariah.

A broad based analysis of Egyptian public opinion by Lisa Blaydes and Drew Linzerhow bears this conclusion out. They concluded that 60 percent of Egyptians have fundamentalist views, while just 20 percent are secular in their orientation.
Egyptians also support a more expansive role for Islam in Egyptian life. In Pew polling conducted last year, almost half (48 percent) say that Islam plays a large role in politics in Egypt, and an overwhelming majority – 85 percent – say Islam’s influence in politics is positive. Only 2 percent say its influence is negative. Not surprisingly, almost two-thirds of Egyptians told Zogby that Egyptian life would improve when clerics play a more central role in the political life of the country.
Egyptians also support the central elements of Shariah Law. For example, 84 percent say that apostates, or those who forsake Islam, should face the death penalty and 77 percent say thieves should have their hands cut off. A majority (54 percent) says men and women should be segregated in the workplace.
Further, the Egyptian people clearly support a political agenda that can only be described as radical. More than 7 in 10 said they were positive toward Iran getting nuclear weapons in a July 2010 Zogby Poll and close to 80 percent favor abrogating the Camp David accords with Israel.
A significant number of Egyptians are favorable to terrorist organizations, with close to half favorable to Hamas and one in five favorable to Al Qaeda.
Given this data it is no shock that the only group in Egyptian society that has any broad based support is the Muslim Brotherhood.
Their leader, Muhammed Badi, has not surprisingly said the Koran should be law in Egypt and that jihad was essential. He also said that Israel and Zionism have to be resisted in every way possible with every resource at the disposal of the Egyptian people.

Yea right MJ……besides the fact that the vast majority of the people in Egypt share the same ideals and beliefs as the Muslim Brotherhood….they don’t like them at all.

Tell us MJ…do your parents know that you are obviously up past your bedtime…..

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Yep, as predicted… A zinger of an intellectual response delivered and received..

Impotent, really… Jeez

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 7:50 PM

MJBrutus on February 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM

Wow.just.Wow!..That was a really a childish post!..:(

Dire Straits on February 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM

MJ here probably has a big picture of Olbermann plastered to the ceiling over his bed……
…..no doubt the same level of deluded,pompous idiocy.

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 8:27 PM

So,Libya is calling for a PalestJihady uprising,
against Israel and Iran is on the verge of Iranian
Green Party Protest Freedom Rally Part Deux!!

And,it seems,that 2012 is shapeing up,for Jihady Holy
War,Part,

6,666,666 in da M.E.!!

canopfor on February 13, 2011 at 6:57 PM

You can bet that Libya and other Islamic Nations would rather have their masses distracted from their oppressive lives by focusing their hate on Israel instead of own their own streets……

Baxter Greene on February 13, 2011 at 8:30 PM

PBHO and his admin contradict themselves every 15 minutes. Who gives a rip?

I do. Not only is Ojesus beclowning himself on the world stage, he is making America appear weak/impotent in the eyes of the world. Every time in history that this has been the case, the result has not been pretty.

hillbillyjim on February 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM

What you can’t understand is that they’re impotent, a word that you ought to know quite well. The military will not let them have any power and most Egyptians don’t want them to either.
–I don’t know if it’s wise to be so dismissive of the Brotherhood’s capabilities, or so quick to segregate the military from the movement – or even more radical groups.

If memory serves, it was Islamic radicals within the Egyptian Army who assassinated Anwar Sadat, thereby setting events in motion which put Mubarak at the head of the column (so to speak).

Grunchy Cranola on February 13, 2011 at 8:57 PM

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