Open thread: Rep. Allen West at CPAC; Update: Video of speech added

posted at 5:30 pm on February 12, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Congressman Allan West will shortly address CPAC as its final keynote speaker. Before going backstage, West visited the Blogger Lounge, where he took a few questions from the bloggers. I asked him about the debt ceiling, and West said that any hike in the debt ceiling requires a number of concessions, including a spending cap and a balanced-budget amendment.  He also said that the freshman Republicans flexed their muscle on Capitol Hill this week, and that’s just the beginning:

Update: Allen West got a rousing ovation from the CPAC crowd for a much different speech than one that would have been given by the straw poll winner.  He spoke of moral courage, steadfast defense against enemies, and a big ovation when he pledged that he would never allow America to abandon Israel to the extent within his power.  The reception of West’s traditional conservative speech exposed the unrepresentative nature of the straw poll.

Update II: In case you missed it, here’s the entire speech, which The Right Scoop also has up at his site:


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Going the “safe, legal, and rare” route. Good.
MadisonConservative on February 12, 2011 at 8:45 PM

How is that good? Democrats say the same thing.
Bee on February 12, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Yes, many liberal Democrats do indeed say that. But of course Col. West did not.

MadisonLiberal was obviously quoting some other black person, based upon the liberal belief that that they are all the same. Please forgive him; liberals are very easily confused about…. well, everything.

logis on February 13, 2011 at 6:00 AM

President West. Now.

paul1149 on February 13, 2011 at 8:25 AM

He needs to win re-election in 2012. Some executive appointment in the future will help as well.

bayview on February 13, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Mayb he will decide to go for nelson senate seat in 12

unseen on February 13, 2011 at 8:43 AM

If West doesn’t ge tpicked as a VP candidate I hope he goes for Nelson’s seat. rubio and West as FL seantors…that would be nice…

unseen on February 12, 2011 at 9:34 PM

2nd that…

cmsinaz on February 13, 2011 at 8:44 AM

Only high falutin’ people call pe cawns pee cans. A pee can is something women have in a tent so they won’t have leave the tent during the night…

Gohawgs on February 12, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Rich girls have a canopy over their beds; poor girls have a can of pee under their beds.

davidk on February 13, 2011 at 8:57 AM

This man brings much hope for the future our our political landscape.

Keemo on February 13, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Mr. West:
It is not that you haven’t served your country enough sir, it is your country needs you now more then ever. You are one of the last stars shining on freedom and we need you more then ever. You have done more for this country then most but you can offer this nation something more then most can or have the oppertunity to do. Please, please, I am begging you for my children and their children to guide us from the demise of this once great nation.

God bless you sir and your parents for instilling such greatness upon your soul.

Palin/West or West/Palin

trs on February 13, 2011 at 10:51 AM

All it takes is a little gung-ho chest thumping and soaring patriotic rhetoric and y’all go bananas. Never mind the fact that this guy is as willing as Obama to disregard constitutional limits, particularly on the federal law enforcement prerogative. I’m beginning to think that all y’all really want is a soldier – whether or not he believes in limited government or whatnot is irrelevant.

ernesto on February 13, 2011 at 10:52 AM

All it takes is a little gung-ho chest thumping and soaring patriotic rhetoric and y’all go bananas. Never mind the fact that this guy is as willing as Obama to disregard constitutional limits, particularly on the federal law enforcement prerogative. I’m beginning to think that all y’all really want is a soldier – whether or not he believes in limited government or whatnot is irrelevant.

ernesto on February 13, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Could you link to the speech you watched?

/???

roy_batty on February 13, 2011 at 11:29 AM

roy_batty on February 13, 2011 at 11:29 AM

The same one you did – pure, unabashed jingoism. Couple that with the fact that he’s a yea vote for the PATRIOT act, and I can’t help but laugh when I read all these comments fawning over him.

ernesto on February 13, 2011 at 11:39 AM

MadisonLiberal

logis on February 13, 2011 at 6:00 AM

West made clear his oppositions in his speech, and no more. He’s demonstrated often that he’s direct enough not to waste time dancing around his views. He could have simply said he opposed all abortion. He did not. And you’re calling me a liberal for taking note of that? You know, it is just amazing around here what morons like you will label other people “liberal” for.

MadisonConservative on February 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Never mind the fact that this guy is as willing as Obama to disregard constitutional limits, particularly on the federal law enforcement prerogative.

ernesto on February 13, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Oh, look. ernesto is talking out of his…well, the same place he always talks out of.

But I think, once again, it comes back to marketing. I mean, we should have put out some type of feelers and talked to the American people about this before we go and implement this type of plan. And also, when you go back, you look at after September 11th, we had the opportunity with Israel coming and talking to us about improving our security screening procedures, and we turned them down. I traveled to Israel, and I tell you what, they have very good procedures, and you don’t have to go through all of these very Draconian practices.

MadisonConservative on February 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM

There’s your 2012 convention key note speaker.

SouthernGent on February 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM

FIRST! (contractually guaranteed)

Man, West has the goods or at least seems to. Here’s to hoping he can manage the ego-buttering that comes with serving in Congress and stay a good, capable man.

Bishop on February 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM

MadisonConservative on February 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM

His yea vote is all that matters. When push comes to shove, he prefers to breach constitutional limits. If that’s OK with you, fine, but don’t go around insisting the constitution is the be all end all if you’re willing to dispense with it at the first sign of trouble, like Rep. West.

ernesto on February 13, 2011 at 1:00 PM

He is losing me already.

1) Fixing the Doughnut hole. The whole idea that government is paying for medical drugs for people is not conservative, and here he says that increasing these payments is good. Not on my dime.

2) Pre-existing conditions. Once you include those, it is no longer health insurance, but a transfer of costs scheme and you can only control costs by forcing everyone to be participants. Hence, the individual mandate. Pre-existing conditions are almost always picked up by insurance carriers after a waiting period, I think typically three years, you are responsible for all costs on your pre-existing condition for that duration. Here again, he is on the wrong side, and I say, not on my dime.

3) Keeping kids on the parents insurance plan until they are 26. Once again, if this was what parents wanted, and it was financially beneficial to them, then insurance companies would offer this. Why is the government mandating what exactly insurance companies should be offering to the market? Again, on the wrong side and again, not on my dime.

4) Blames Glass-Steigal as part of the reason why we had a financial crisis. Almost all studies have shown this to be bogus, that it was not a contributor, because even with the removal of glass-steigal corporations kept both aspects separate. He even then goes on to say that if the government would stay out of the way of the private sector the crisis would not have occurred.

5) Corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%. Why? The consumer pays that tax no matter what the rate is, and the consumer is already taxed on their income. Corporate tax rate should be 0%.

6) Cap federal spending at 18-20%. Once again, there has never been a decade in which the government has ever been able to tax more than 19% no matter what the rates were. The ideal size of government therefore is significantly lower than that 19%. I think that it is closer to 10% to 12% with exceptions for time of war. He seems to think today’s government is hunky dory and well within the constitutional boundary?

7) Throwing a balanced budget amendment on top of a spending cap seems redundant and ripe for use as a way to move taxes more and more onto the top 10%. There are three ways to balance a budget, spending cuts, tax increases or a combination, two of which include increased taxes. Wrong again. The simple spending cap is sufficient, but should be lower than his proposal. Follow with a flat tax that makes all citizens, particularly those in INCOME RANGE actually pay our fair share of the budget.

8) Called for elimination of federal agencies, all of which are in the narrow spectrum of it does the same thing as another agency. Then even reduces that to those created in the last 10 years. No call to get rid of whole areas of extra constitutional agencies.

He seems like a very great guy, and a warrior for the cause, but his speech left me significantly wanting as far as having him be a leader of the cause. He still has much to learn about what the constitutional limits he professed to believing we adhere to really are. He has much to learn about what government interference in the private sector is. Again, great speech over all, but certainly does not give me a good feeling about him being a contender for President of the United States of America. Just too many progressive ideas in his mind that he sees as conservative yet.

astonerii on February 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM

I eat my own farts.

MadisonConservative on February 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM

You make a fascinating point there. I actually hadn’t considered – until you stated your case so very elequently – that intentionally misquoting someone might not be the absolute height of conservative thought.

Well said. Very well said indeed.

logis on February 13, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Only high falutin’ people call pe cawns pee cans. A pee can is something women have in a tent so they won’t have leave the tent during the night…

Gohawgs on February 12, 2011 at 7:25 PM

LOL!
Actually, all the poor trashy folks I ever knew said Pee-Can.
All the high falutin’ people I ever knew said Pe-cawn.

Badger40 on February 13, 2011 at 1:56 PM

ernesto on February 13, 2011 at 1:00 PM

I consider the interception of foreign communications from countries we are engaged in the war on terror with not subject to Const protection.
If you are receiving information from a known terrorist, or country know to harbor terrorists, then that information is war time information.
I will agree that parts of the Patriot Act are a problem & Democrats in Congress are just as much to blame for its passage.
I have yet to hear West’s real thoughts on this.
I see his thoughts on abortion & gay marriage & I am sure a lot of people are having problems with that.
I personally could work with a guy like this.
I think the US needs to further define this war.
Doing that would go a long way toward understanding what the Patriot Act could do.

Badger40 on February 13, 2011 at 2:04 PM

ernesto on February 13, 2011 at 1:00 PM

And yes I understand FISA.

Badger40 on February 13, 2011 at 2:04 PM

I eat my own farts.

MadisonConservative on February 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM

logis on February 13, 2011 at 1:33 PM

Thank you for demonstrating the extent of your intellect and the intellect of the rest here who would label someone liberal for interpreting a conservative speaker’s speech.

MadisonConservative on February 13, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Ernesto,

Still waiting for you to list a single person that was wiretapped because they went to a peace rally.

Just one.

G M on February 13, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Vote Allen West: Because government should be small and un-intrusive, except, of course, when it comes to wiretapping you because you were photographed at an anti-war rally. This guy cares for the constitution about as much as Obama does.

ernesto on February 12, 2011 at 6:06 PM

C’mon. Just one person who was wiretapped because they went to a anti-war rally.

G M on February 13, 2011 at 2:59 PM

All it takes is a little gung-ho chest thumping and soaring patriotic rhetoric and y’all go bananas. Never mind the fact that this guy is as willing as Obama to disregard constitutional limits, particularly on the federal law enforcement prerogative. I’m beginning to think that all y’all really want is a soldier – whether or not he believes in limited government or whatnot is irrelevant.
ernesto on February 13, 2011 at 10:52 AM

haha

the Colonel blew a round offin some cretins ear which in turn produced i
intelligence that saved lives

he knew what he did violated rules that salivating dem/commie scum wouldn’t waste a moment to hoist him on a pike with

“war crimes”. “torture”. ” no lawyer” “baa baa baa”

he saved lifes and I trust him more than any lefty pol and ernies concerns are noted

The left would have prefered he be tethered with stupid standards and more Iraqis and Americans die so they can scream from the rooftops

West is the anti-left

Sonosam on February 13, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Vote Allen West: Because government should be small and un-intrusive, except, of course, when it comes to wiretapping you because you were photographed at an anti-war rally. This guy cares for the constitution about as much as Obama does.
ernesto on February 12, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Joe the plumber comes to mind

just for asking a question to the moron and gubmint agencies with no reason to be involved independantly research the man and leak sheet to the public

stuff it ernie, your a joke

Sonosam on February 13, 2011 at 3:18 PM

I would vote for Col. West in a heartbeat. I do have one suggestion for him, though. I would suggest he go back to school part time and work toward a formal degree in economics. America needs leaders who actually have some formal education in economics. Maybe Professor Walter E. Williams at George Mason University might tutor him, he would be an excellent tutor.

Ronald Reagan had a formal degree in economics. The result was impressive. Reagan could understand the economists, he could understand economies. It was more than just politics for him, it was also economics.

If Colonel West were to gain some formal education in the area of economics, he could well be another of the great Presidents some day.

crosspatch on February 13, 2011 at 3:18 PM

There’s your 2012 convention key note speaker.

SouthernGent on February 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM

+10000

TN Mom on February 13, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Yes, many liberal Democrats do indeed say that. But of course Col. West did not.

MadisonLiberal was obviously quoting some other black person, based upon the liberal belief that that they are all the same. Please forgive him; liberals are very easily confused about…. well, everything.

logis on February 13, 2011 at 6:00 AM

Not being able to watch the video at the moment, I wasn’t sure if West had said that. Given he qualified his position to include those two exceptions, it would appear he’s open to abortion in some cases (hence MC’s remark).

Calling him a liberal for his interpretation (let alone racist) is preposterous and insulting, though hardly surprising given how things are around here these days.

Bee on February 13, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Allen West vs Barack Obama. No comparison.

hachiban on February 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Inspiring!!

Dollayo on February 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Blames Glass-Steigal as part of the reason why we had a financial crisis. Almost all studies have shown this to be bogus, that it was not a contributor, astonerii on February 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM

I’ll take Destroy Your Own Argument for $100, Alex.

chimney sweep on February 13, 2011 at 7:41 PM

astonerii on February 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Good points astonerii and a good read. I admit that I had the same objections upon first hearing this speech but glossed over them because his tone, rhetoric and no fooling around stance on National Security was such a nice change of pace from who we have no in the White House and in the GOP establishment.

You are right though that some of what he said sent jolts through my body such as his apparent approval of keeping kids on their parents health plan until they are 26 and his scapegoating of the Glass-Steigal act. I didn’t even think of the corporate tax rate, those are always passed on to the consumer anyway and perhaps should be lowered to 0%. All in all, I feel he is on the right track and he may be an accomplished soldier but is still a young politician with time to grow.

Daemonocracy on February 13, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Allen West vs Barack Obama. No comparison.
hachiban on February 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM

It is impossible to imagine two people who are more polar opposites than West and Obama.

If Obama is a disease, then West is the cure.

And Obama IS a disease.

logis on February 13, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Glass-Steagall the only apparently good control the private sector regulation on the books. Any other regulation would be looked at for what it is, a twisting of the free market such as to cause damage and destroy wealth and wealth creation.

The fact of the matter is that it was not the repeal of Glass-Steagall that brought about banks over-leveraging in mortgage backed securities, but the Basel Accords is what actually led to the over-leveraging of banks into mortgage backed securities. The Basel Accords determines how much money a bank has to keep in reserves based on the type of investments it has made. If you invest with a company, say Intel, for every $1,000 you loan Intel you must keep in reserves $80. If you invest $1000 by loaning money to a person to buy a car, then you have to keep $120 in reserves. If you invest in Government bonds or mortgage backed securities, your $1,000 investment will only require you to keep $20 in reserves. This allowed a bank to be leveraged as much as 50:1 if all their investments were in government bonds or mortgage backed securities. Mortgage backed securities though offered a much higher return, typically three to five times as high as a government bond with theoretically the same risk, none according to government regulation. This fed to a high demand for mortgage backed securities in order for banks to make the most money. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac effectively turned into mortgage backed security mills similar to many degree mills. Fanny Mae and Freddie mac would buy the mortgages and package them into mortgage backed securities and then sell them onto the market, so they could buy more mortgages and package those as well. The demand was high, and the pressure from the government was to increase home ownership, and the qualifications for buying a mortgage were reduced, and yet Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac continued to buy these low quality mortgages, feeding a perpetual money making machine that got government official the votes they wanted.

astonerii on February 13, 2011 at 10:30 PM

All in all, I feel he is on the right track and he may be an accomplished soldier but is still a young politician with time to grow.

Daemonocracy on February 13, 2011 at 8:42 PM

I agree, and as well with astonerii’s objections.

rrpjr on February 13, 2011 at 10:49 PM

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