Breaking: Mubarak out; Update: Dem official credits Obama, of course; Update: Military suspends parliament, fires cabinet? Update: Military leaders threatened to quit if Mubarak didn’t

posted at 11:25 am on February 11, 2011 by Allahpundit

That’s the word from Suleiman, as of 15 minutes ago. Live video shows Tahrir Square in ecstasy, Egyptian flags ubiquitous among the crowd. A question for you to chew on as I scramble for updates: Was yesterday’s “I’ll hand over power but won’t leave” speech a trial balloon to see how protesters would react, with the military warning him in advance that he’d have to leave today if the crowds rejected that arrangement? Or did Mubarak fully intend to stay on until September but was forcibly ousted this morning after someone high up got nervous at the size of the demonstrations? I speculated yesterday that there was an eleventh-hour power struggle that saved him; it’d be weird if the dynamics of that struggle shifted so dramatically within just 24 hours.

Here’s Suleiman’s official statement via the Beeb:

Full statement from Vice-President Suleiman: “In the name of God the merciful, the compassionate, citizens, during these very difficult circumstances Egypt is going through, President Hosni Mubarak has decided to step down from the office of president of the republic and has charged the high council of the armed forces to administer the affairs of the country. May God help everybody.”

Says a protester, “We did it. I cannot believe it. Mubarak the dictator has gone. And the Egyptian people will forever be free.” Let’s hope so; most Americans aren’t as confident. Lots of updates coming, needless to say, so stand by.

Update: A new update at the BBC blog linked above notes that the Egyptian constitution doesn’t allow for power to devolve to the military but rather to the speaker of parliament if the president steps down. This is, in other words, a military coup; the question I posed above is simply whether it’s a soft one, with Mubarak agreeing that he has no cards left to play, or a hard one, with the military tossing him under the bus. It sure sounded like a coup this morning, too:

As protesters were swarming into the streets Friday morning for what was expected to be the biggest and most volatile demonstrations in the three-week revolt here, the Supreme Council of the Egyptian Armed Forces issued a statement over state television and radio indicating that the military, not Mr. Mubarak, was in effective control of the country. It was unclear whether the military would take meaningful steps toward democracy or begin a military dictatorship…

The statement Friday by the military’s Supreme Council struck a very different tone and appeared to assert that the military, not President Mubarak, was now in control. The military said that first it would end the 30-year-old emergency law — used to detain without trial— “as soon as the current circumstances are over.” The protesters have demanded that the law be eliminated immediately, before any talks about ending the uprising.

The first test of new reforms will be whether they make good on their promise to lift the emergency law ASAP. The second test will be deciding on a new president. It’s unclear to me what Suleiman’s status is right now: If the military’s high council is formally in charge, is he the power behind the throne making executive decisions? Is he the de facto head of the council itself? Or is he out too along with Mubarak?

Update: Here’s the live feed of Tahrir Square from Al Jazeera Egypt. Updates continue below. Click the image to watch.

Update: After weeks of the White House ineffectually embarrassing itself at every turn, Democrats begin the inevitable spin: Obama did it!

Great news for the administration/president. People will remember , despite some fumbles yesterday, that the President played an excellent hand, walked the right line and that his statement last night was potentially decisive in brining this issue to a close. The situation remains complicated and delicate going forward, but this is a huge affirmation of the President’s leadership on the international stage.

Update: Ah, here’s a great clip from Fox Insider — the reaction in Tahrir Square at the moment of the announcement. Classic.

Update: RCP has CNN video of Suleiman making the announcement. Fox reported earlier this morning that an important statement would be forthcoming from Mubarak himself, but he’s nowhere to be found so far today. (In fact, he reportedly left Cairo this morning for Sharm el-Sheikh.) More evidence, perhaps, that this was a hard coup and not a soft one?

Update: Your Orwellian moment of the day came earlier this morning too in (where else?) Tehran:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says Egypt’s popular uprising shows a new Middle East is emerging, one that will have no signs of Israel and US “interference.”…

Ahmadinejad says Egyptians have the right to live in freedom and choose their own government.

Update: The “Egyptian people will forever be free” project is off to a bad start:

Middle East channel Al Arabiya reports that the Higher Military Council, which has taken control from Hosni Mubarak, will fire Mubarak’s Cabinet, suspend both houses of Parliament and rule with the head of the supreme constitutional court.

Reuters is quoting a military source as saying Defense Minister Mohamed Hussein Tantawi will be the head of the ruling military council.

Suleiman’s out too, then?

Update: I’m hearing on Twitter that Obama will speak at 1:30 p.m. He won’t take credit for Mubarak’s departure, natch, but that’s only because his spin doctors are already trying to do it for him. As the media conveniently forgets the past 17 days of bumbling statements and shifting demands from our foreign policy braintrust, here’s a vivid reminder from the Times (via Mediaite) of just how lame our “intelligence” wing has been during this episode. In a sane world, Panetta would be out on his ass — along with James “Largely Secular” Clapper:

Mr. Obama watched Mr. Mubarak’s speech on board Air Force One, returning from a trip to Michigan, the press secretary, Robert Gibbs, said. As soon as he arrived at the White House, Mr. Obama huddled with his national security aides. The administration appeared as taken aback by Mr. Mubarak’s speech as the crowds in Tahrir Square. The director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon E. Panetta, testified before the House of Representatives on Thursday morning that there was a “strong likelihood” that Mr. Mubarak would step down by the end of the day.

American officials said Mr. Panetta was basing his statement not on secret intelligence but on media broadcasts, which began circulating before he sat down before the House Intelligence Committee. But a senior administration official said Mr. Obama had also expected that Egypt was on the cusp of dramatic change. Speaking at Northern Michigan University in Marquette, he said, “We are witnessing history unfold,” adding, “America will do everything we can to support an orderly and genuine transition to democracy.”

The Journal actually headlined an early-morning story about Egypt, “Crisis Puts White House in Disarray.” Then, mysteriously, that headline was changed to “Crisis Flummoxes White House.” Ben Smith of Politico speculates that the White House might have actually phoned the paper and objected to the earlier hed, accurate though it was. That’s how sensitive they are about how embarrassing this situation has become to them. In fact, I’ll end this update with a choice quote from that Journal story from Steve Clemons, a liberal who’s attended two meetings on Egypt with National Security Council members: “The mystique of America’s superpower status has been shattered.”

Update: One of the cold comforts about military dominance in Egypt is that it makes a Muslim Brotherhood takeover unlikely, at least in the short term. The army simply has too much at stake — especially financially — to let Islamists spoil their racket. The downside of that, though? It has too much at stake to let Egyptian entrepreneurs spoil it either, which means economic stagnation and political discontent for years to come. Fred Kaplan:

As in many undemocratic countries, the military is more than just the military. Egypt’s officer corps is said to own or operate vast networks of commercial enterprises, including water, construction, cement, olive oil, the hotel and gasoline industries—in all, about one-third of the country’s economy—as well as vast chunks of seaside property…

The army’s material interests don’t mesh so well with the premises of a thriving middle-class society. And the absence of such a society—the combination of large numbers of well-educated young people and few jobs to suit their talents—has no doubt fueled these last two weeks of protest.

That same WikiLeaks cable from the U.S. embassy in Cairo reported that the military views efforts at privatization “as a threat to its economic position, and therefore generally opposes economic reforms.” To the extent the military does retain power in Egypt, the people’s “rising expectations” may be frustrated, regardless of the outcome of this current clash. Whatever happens in the coming days and weeks, Egypt, once the emblem of Arab stability, might be locked in the dynamics of revolution for a long time to come.

The above is also entirely true of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, which controls hugely lucrative industries inside that country. The trick for the Brotherhood will be emulating the Iranian model to coopt the military somehow. They’ll have to do it in reverse order from how Iran did it — i.e., instead of starting a la Iran with an Islamist revolt that’s later secured by a de facto military coup (in 2009), they’ll have to follow today’s de facto coup with an Islamist revolt — but it’s not impossible. If the Egyptian military holds on too tightly to power and the public gets restless again, they could strike a deal with the Brotherhood in which the Islamists take formal control in the name of “democratic legitimacy” in return for guaranteeing that the military can keep its business rackets going.

Update: Another fun clip from Fox Insider. More than 90 minutes after the announcement, Tahrir Square is still roaring so loudly that reporters can’t hear themselves.

Update: A hopeful note from an op-ed at Politico. However this ends, and we probably won’t know for years, the successful revolts in Tunisia and Egypt could make peaceful demonstrations the new vogue for political expression in the Middle East for awhile.

Speaking of which, one of Ace’s co-bloggers wondered on Twitter which Arab regime would be next to go. My pick for the last to go: The Saudis. They’ll be more ruthless than Mubarak was and they’ll receive far more western backing in that ruthlessness, partly because of our oil interests there, partly because of the greater risk of a fundie takeover, and partly to avert the ominous symbolism of Mecca being captured by jihadist nutjobs. But even the Saudis are worried now. According to Fox News, Obama’s phone call on Egypt with Abdullah a few days ago was “unusually tense” because we wouldn’t back Mubarak as fully as they’d like.

Update: A depressing piece from Ellis Goldberg at Foreign Policy Affairs makes the same point as Fred Kaplan: The army’s not going to relax its stranglehold on the economy, which means democracy and privatization are dead on arrival.

The practical demands of the protesters seem fairly simple: end the state of emergency, hold new elections, and grant the freedom to form parties without state interference. But these demands would amount to opening up the political space to everyone across Egypt’s social and political structure. That would involve constitutional and statutory changes, such as reforming Egypt as a parliamentary rather than a presidential system, in which a freely elected majority selects the prime minister (who is now appointed by the president). These changes would wipe away the power structure the army created in 1952 and has backed since.

A freely elected parliament and a reconstituted government would weaken the role of the presidency, a position the military is likely to try to keep in its portfolio. Moreover, open elections could hand the new business elites power in parliament where they could work to limit the role of the army in the economy. This would put the army’s vast economic holdings — from the ubiquitous propane cylinders that provide all Egyptian homes with cooking gas to clothing, food, and hotels — in jeopardy. Moreover, the army has always preferred that the country be orderly and hierarchical. It is uncomfortable with the growing participatory festival on the streets and, even if the officers were to tolerate more contestation than their grandfathers did in the 1950s, they would likely try to limit participation in politics to those whose lives have been spent in the military by retaining the system of presidential appointment for government ministers.

Update: Tapper has a useful reality check up in advance of the coming White House spin about how pro-democracy they allegedly are. Which of the last two presidents pushed harder — and provided more funding — for liberalization in Egypt? Hint: Not Hopenchange.

Update: The mullahs who were cheering Egypt’s protesters suddenly get cold feet. As do the Swiss, who were apparently holding his stolen money for him for years.

Update: A mystery solved, maybe: Richard Engel claims that senior Egyptian military leaders expected Mubarak to quit yesterday and were “furious” when he didn’t, going so far as to threaten to resign and join the protests if he didn’t do so today. True, or self-serving spin after the fact aimed at proving that they were on the people’s side all along? The rumor yesterday was that Mubarak’s speech was pre-recorded; if that’s true, then if the military disapproved of it, presumably they could have stopped it from airing. I still like my “trial balloon” theory from way up top in this post better.

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Sounds like the military is calling all the shots now.

Paul-Cincy on February 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Can we say FUBAR?

reshas1 on February 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Tomorrow: Mubarack back in

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

“We did it. I cannot believe it. Mubarak the dictator has gone. And the Egyptian people will forever be free.”

You aren’t free until your rights are guaranteed.

Count to 10 on February 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Teleprompters firing up?

BKeyser on February 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM

“Mubarak the dictator has gone. And the Egyptian people will forever be free.”

I pray this is true.

Red Cloud on February 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM

can we tour the pyramids now???

hanzblinx on February 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Can we say FUBAR?

reshas1 on February 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Time will tell, I suppose.

Count to 10 on February 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM

reshas1 on February 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Why would you want to?

MJBrutus on February 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM

Let’s cross our fingers and hope the transition to a new government goes smoothly.

And on that note, let’s hope the Obami keeps his mouth shut.

Lance Murdock on February 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM

May God help everybody

Yep. Because there’s going to be more blood spilled before the smoke clears….
Now it’s just a matter of whose.
and I don’t believe he’s out until his a** is on a plane out of the country…

mjk on February 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM

If you don’t watch Fox News in the evening, you might think this was good news.

Otherwise, you would be terrified.

YYZ on February 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM

I have a feeling these protesters are going to be sorely disappointed when they come to realize what it is they “did.”

RedRedRice on February 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM

They had a peaceful revolution and won.Pretty impressive.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Obama Wins, despite long odds, endeavoring to persevere, Obama Wins.

Skandia Recluse on February 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Transfer the headline thread down here, please, people have been very good on this.

Cindy Munford on February 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM

YYZ on February 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM

What are you so afraid of now? Have you been taking Glenn Beck seriously?

MJBrutus on February 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Egypt has a job opening for president; they can have ours. High-speed rails throughout the desert??

TN Mom on February 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM

YYZ on February 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Why of course we are uninformed. We wouldn’t want to disappoint you or make you uncomfortable.

Limerick on February 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Duck dive.

katy the mean old lady on February 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Into every despot’s life some reign must fall.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on February 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM

The young people have spoken for change. Who cares what kind of change. Obama is campaigning in Egypt the same way he campaigned here.

World B. Free on February 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM

What are you so afraid of now? Have you been taking Glenn Beck seriously?

I don’t watch Fox News in prime. But does anyone take Glenn Beck seriously?

YYZ on February 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Obama: I did that because I wanted people to be free or something. You can thank me now or later.

We welcome in Egypt’s new hard-line Islamist overlords and applaud the tearing up of the peace treaty with Israel.

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Even more than before Obama must get this right.

Now is so important for the future.

I hope George Bush is feeling some satisfaction. It is a shame it is a boob like Obama who has to deal with this. There has never been an American less committed to human freedom than Obama. And he is the one who has to guide the world through this.

petunia on February 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM

They had a peaceful revolution and won.Pretty impressive.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM

The Iranian revolution started exactly the same.

Many countries in Africa did that also.

But most ended up in some form of dictatorship.

This is just the beginning.

the_nile on February 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM

We did it. I cannot believe it. Mubarak the dictator has gone. And the Egyptian people will forever be free.”

They aren’t too smart over there, eh?

Front man for the Army replaced by the Army, let’s rejoice!

Just step sending them money, please.

I don’t care if they want to be ruled by farm animals.

reaganaut on February 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM

. . . and Mubarak has appointed himself head of the military council. j/k

WannabeAnglican on February 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows every where!

It is nice to see a happy mob, even a transitory one, isn’t it? I wonder if they will forgive and forget the Coptic Pope backing Mubarak and telling Christians to stay home? That could be a grievance.

Let the demockracy roll!

70 billion quatloos on the darker forces.

BL@KBIRD on February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

According the AP it was soft Military Coup.

Lance Murdock on February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

I hope they truly become free but I have my doubts.

Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know.

God be with Israel.

gophergirl on February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

I hope the protesters are right, that they will be free. Seems as if the military was in power and will remain in power behind the scenes. However, I think it will be a death by a thousand cuts for them as the MB will run candidates for office and take over much of their governing body. The military didn’t want to go out and shoot somebody so they made Mubarak fall on his sword. Guess they figured he had stolen enough.

Kissmygrits on February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

They had a peaceful revolution and won.Pretty impressive.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Yessir.
Other than the people being beaten, the museums being ransacked and artifacts being destroyed, people being arrested and tortured, and the whole killings going on, it was super-peaceful.

mjk on February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Obama takes credit in 5…4…3…2…1

David2.0 on February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Hogwash. First off, the country is in ruins and will take years to get back off the floor economically. A war won’t help that. Second, the Egyptians military is in charge and who better to know the inferiority of their strength compared to Israel.

MJBrutus on February 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Scandia, yeah Obama wins. Unfortunately more than likely, Egypt loses, and lord help Israel. These kind of takeovers rarely end up well…

sandee on February 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Allah, your analysis has been very good.

petunia on February 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM

I can’t wait to see how the secular MB is involved…

d1carter on February 11, 2011 at 11:35 AM

I don’t watch Fox News in prime. But does anyone take Glenn Beck seriously?

YYZ on February 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM

At least he’s more serious then Clapper and Panetta.

the_nile on February 11, 2011 at 11:35 AM

The Iranian revolution started exactly the same.

Many countries in Africa did that also.

But most ended up in some form of dictatorship.

This is just the beginning.

the_nile on February 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM

You’ll be proved wrong and I for one(so will many others) will remember who called them animals and terrorists and sided with a dictator. Politics over what this country stands for…democracy.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Let’s hope this won’t become a case of “meet the new boss, same as the old boss.” Does democracy or islamism prevail?

Mallard T. Drake on February 11, 2011 at 11:35 AM

How often has a military council, once given power, given it up?

Why wait for Sept for elections now? Why not this spring before the Army has cemented control?

journeyintothewhirlwind on February 11, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Can a teleprompter win a Nobel Prize?

hillbillyjim on February 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM

They had a peaceful revolution and won.Pretty impressive.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Yessir.
Other than the people being beaten, the museums being ransacked and artifacts being destroyed, people being arrested and tortured, and the whole killings going on, it was super-peaceful.

mjk on February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

It isn’t over by a long shot.

Now comes the power struggle. And they have to find a way to hold honest elections that don’t get the Islamists in charge. Because once they win anything all rights are gone.

petunia on February 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM

According to the Boss Emeritus, Odumba$$ will be making one of his “speeches” today at 1:30 ET about Egypt.

White House just announced: Obama will be in front of a TV camera at 1:30pm ET before Robert Gibbs’ final press briefing to address Egypt.

Did anyone really believe he would keep his maw shut? Pfffft

sicoit on February 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Hogwash. First off, the country is in ruins and will take years to get back off the floor economically. A war won’t help that. Second, the Egyptians military is in charge and who better to know the inferiority of their strength compared to Israel.

MJBrutus on February 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Let’s hope you’re right.

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Don’t let the camel kick you on the way out, scum!

I don’t watch Fox News in prime. But does anyone take Glenn Beck seriously?

YYZ on February 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM

And Flush Limbaugh…and Arianna Huffing-paint…and a whole list of others.

Dark-Star on February 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Did anyone really believe he would keep his maw shut? Pfffft

sicoit on February 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM

If he doesn’t resign in the first 30 seconds… I’ll watch something else.

petunia on February 11, 2011 at 11:37 AM

So now it’s a constitutional problem of power does not go to Suiliman, but to the the prime minister or whoever.

forest on February 11, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Obama takes credit in 5…4…3…2…1

David2.0 on February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

But of course. What willhe do when the chit hits the fan?Which it promptly will.

katy the mean old lady on February 11, 2011 at 11:37 AM

You’ll be proved wrong and I for one(so will many others) will remember who called them animals and terrorists and sided with a dictator. Politics over what this country stands for…democracy.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:35 AM

what are you on?

delusional.

egypt is a very muslim country….mubarak tried to outlaw female genital ‘circumcision’ to no avail….demographics is destiny…get a clue.

right4life on February 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM

They had a peaceful revolution and won.Pretty impressive.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:30 AM

1504: Reuters are also now reporting violence in Sinai town of El Arish after about 1,000 protesters attacked a police station, burning vehicles and throwing petrol bombs

so much for that

Limerick on February 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM

women, go home and put on your burkas. men, enough with the shaving already..it’s mullah time!

DrW on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Personally, I can’t wait for MSDNC analysis on today’s event. I’m guessing it’s going to sound like this, “Obama: His lofty words of change and youthfulness has toppled a brutal dedicator, he is Jesus, blah, blah, blah,….”

Lance Murdock on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

It’s unclear to me what Suleiman’s status is right now

His statement isn’t that of someone in control of the country.

Paul-Cincy on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

According to the Boss Emeritus, Odumba$$ will be making one of his “speeches” today at 1:30 ET about Egypt.

OH crap. Barry just couldn’t resist could he? Funny, yesterday when it looked like Mubarak called his bluff, he was in a snit and wouldn’t make a live remark. I guess He has seen his numbers go down so he’s gonna take credit and hope he gets a big bump up .

sandee on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Hopefully a positive change. Realistically a day which shall always remain in infamy if, as expected, the Muslim Brotherhood eventually takes over and turns Egypt into Afghanistan West. Give 5% odds for hope and 95% odds for realism.

MaiDee on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

oh goody, when do we get to hear from the Drama-Queen-In-Command?

upinak on February 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM

I hope the Egyptian people get what they want…

d1carter on February 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM

130 presser? A lot can happen in 2 hours….

What happens if they (crowds, MB, etc) go after Mubarak at the resort?

journeyintothewhirlwind on February 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Breaking: Mubarak out

…much to the dismay of conservative totalitarians.

ernesto on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

what are you on?

delusional.

egypt is a very muslim country….mubarak tried to outlaw female genital ‘circumcision’ to no avail….demographics is destiny…get a clue.

right4life on February 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Since you’re well known as an extremist…it would be a waste of time to actually try to debate.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

OH crap. Barry just couldn’t resist could he?
sandee on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

well we already know what he is going to say:

I, I, I, Me, Me, Me, I, I, I, Egypt, I, Me, I, Me… blah and blah and blah.

upinak on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

*sings “You put your president in, you take your president out, You put your president in and ya shake the nation about…”

GoodBoy on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

OH crap. Barry just couldn’t resist could he? Funny, yesterday when it looked like Mubarak called his bluff, he was in a snit and wouldn’t make a live remark. I guess He has seen his numbers go down so he’s gonna take credit and hope he gets a big bump up .

sandee on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

He had to be coaxed from under the bed. It takes time.

katy the mean old lady on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

How did BHO and his crack intelligence machine pull this off…?

d1carter on February 11, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Mubarak has 70 billion good reasons to step down.

In a year, the only substantial change in Egypt will be the ascent of the Muslim Brotherhood. The average citizen will still be dirt-poor, oppressed and uninformed.

Sure makes our media happy, though. They think they are witnessing the “birth of democracy.” Enjoy it while it lasts, chumps…which won’t be long.

MrScribbler on February 11, 2011 at 11:43 AM

If you don’t watch Fox News in the evening, you might think this was good news.

Otherwise, you would be terrified.

YYZ on February 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Well apparently the Obama administration relies on cable news for their intelligence intel….
…this might bother you if you weren’t so consumed with defending Obama.

The Obama administration’s handling of this has been amateurish at best.

Between Obama calling for “a smooth transition”…then “it needs to happen yesterday”….back to “taking our time and letting the events unfold”….to “history being made today”…..
……………..Obama has been all over the place on this and looks weak.

Obama starts to blame the “intelligence community” for not foreseeing this and then it is revealed that his administration had plenty of warnings from several intelligence sources……….
………….you have the head of the CIA getting his intel from CNN….
…………You have a
Director of National Intelligence calling the Muslim Brotherhood ‘Largely Secular,’ who has’Has Eschewed Violence’…

These are not the signs of a competent administration.

Obama has been weak,uniformed,and in over his head.

This is why Conservatives laugh so much as liberals anoint Obama as Reaganesque…..JFK/Lincoln/FDR all rolled into one.

It is amateur hour for the gang that can’t shoot straight and all liberals want to do is whine about “quit picking on Obama”……..

Baxter Greene on February 11, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Obama takes credit in 5…4…3…2…1

David2.0 on February 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM

From Mike Allen at Politico on Twitter:

TOP DEM. OFFICIAL: “situation remains…delicate…but..this is a huge affirmation of the President’s leadership on the international stage”

Took about 5 minutes for them to take credit.

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Dictators all over the world are shaking in their boots.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:43 AM

…much to the dismay of conservative totalitarians.

ernesto on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Yes, we LOOOVE Mubarak.

And you love the Ikhwan Muslimun. See how the game works?

blatantblue on February 11, 2011 at 11:43 AM

The Wrecking Ball takes credit (encourages other youths to continue struggle for “change”) in 5……4…..

PappyD61 on February 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Second, the Egyptians military is in charge and who better to know the inferiority of their strength compared to Israel.

MJBrutus on February 11, 2011 at 11:34 AM<blockquote
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I was in a Bright Star exercise in Egypt and the Egyptian army wanted us to train one of their top medics.He showed up wearing fatigue pants,1 combat boot,1 sandal and a hard rock cafe T-shirt.

docflash on February 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

How long before this becomes a RINO thread?

You guys are right……the jug ears’ll be comparing himself to Churchill before long……

crashman on February 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

…much to the dismay of conservative totalitarians.

ernesto on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

No such thing.

Conservatives urging freedom from government intrusion by definition cannot be totalitarian.

The more you know…

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

I swear, if those Egyptians get their unicorns before I finally get mine, invectives will fly.

myrenovations on February 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

You’ll be proved wrong and I for one(so will many others) will remember who called them animals and terrorists and sided with a dictator. Politics over what this country stands for…democracy.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:35 AM

How can I be proven wrong , if they can create a liberal democracy it would be fantastic, but the risk that they fail is large and the destructive effects from that are huge.

the_nile on February 11, 2011 at 11:44 AM

Since you’re well known as an extremist…it would be a waste of time to actually try to debate.

fastestslug on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

With that fact in mind, it should be all the more embarrassing to you that right4life is correct and you are a deluded fool.

You’ll see people walking pet pigs down the streets before you’ll see democracy. Egypt doesn’t WANT it and they wouldn’t even know how to make it work if they did.

Dark-Star on February 11, 2011 at 11:45 AM

This has every chance of not ending well. Nature, and politics, abhors a vacuum. Let’s pray the bad guys didn’t get sucked in.

pugwriter on February 11, 2011 at 11:45 AM

…much to the dismay of conservative totalitarians.

ernesto on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

much to the joy of islamist fascists and their supports the left-wing fascists.

right4life on February 11, 2011 at 11:45 AM

if, as expected, the Muslim Brotherhood eventually takes over and turns Egypt into Afghanistan West.

MaiDee on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

As expected by whom?

MJBrutus on February 11, 2011 at 11:45 AM

TOP DEM. OFFICIAL: “situation remains…delicate…but..this is a huge affirmation of the President’s leadership on the international stage”

Took about 5 minutes for them to take credit.

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:43 AM

So, Gd Lt, ever think you would ever see a world dictator who hasn’t done poop to be in that power?

Nope, neither did I.

upinak on February 11, 2011 at 11:45 AM

You’ll see people walking pet pigs down the streets before you’ll see democracy. Egypt doesn’t WANT it and they wouldn’t even know how to make it work if they did.

Dark-Star on February 11, 2011 at 11:45 AM

very true.

right4life on February 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Thurs on MSNBC…according to polling, the Muslim Brotherhood receives only 20% support from the Egyptian people.

Fri morning on Fox, Doug Shoen a Dem pollster states that polling shows the MB receives 60% popular support, and only 20% of Egyptians are secular.

My money is on the Muslim BH running the show…they are so peaceful and secular…the national security advisor said so!

DrW on February 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Gotta love all the armchair middle east experts here! People who first happened upon the name Muslim Brotherhood 2 weeks ago insisting they know exactly how a revolution will turn out…laughable.

ernesto on February 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Obama will claim victory, on behalf of “the worlds’ youth.” When protests start here in the US, maybe as early as March in California, and as they get more vigorous and perhaps violent and destructive, Obama will say that “we too must listen to our youth, our future, just like Egypt listened, finally, to its youth. The [Reactionaries, Republicans, Rich, Fat Cats] must realize that their time has gone and that they can no longer impose their unjust system on Americans, who yearn to be free. We are the youth are country has been waiting for.”

GaltBlvnAtty on February 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

If you don’t watch Fox News in the evening, hadn’t watched the Shah of Iran step down, you might think this was good news.

Otherwise, you would be terrified not be expecting unicorns and Big Rock Candy Mountains. YES WE CAN!

YYZ on February 11, 2011 at 11:29 AM

a capella on February 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

*sings “You put your president in, you take your president out, You put your president in and ya shake the nation about…”

GoodBoy on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

LOL!

Dark-Star on February 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

1504: Reuters are also now reporting violence in Sinai town of El Arish after about 1,000 protesters attacked a police station, burning vehicles and throwing petrol bombs

so much for that

Limerick on February 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Here we go….

TheBigOldDog on February 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

I will be shocked if this turns out well.

ORconservative on February 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM

BREAKING:Obama, Democrats take credit for something that was inevitable either today or in 8 months and that they had nothing to do with:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0211/The_Egypt_spin.html

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Egypt’s Mubarak steps down as president

Breaking News:ElBaradei: This is the greatest day of my life

Egyptian State TV: Statement from presidency coming

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By ASSOCIATED PRESS
02/11/2011 18:22

Egyptian VP Omar Suleiman announces that the embattled president has handed power to the military after 18 days of protests calling for his ouster. ElBaradei: “This is the greatest day of my life.”
============================

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=207844&R=R1

canopfor on February 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM

much to the joy of islamist fascists and their supports the left-wing fascists.

right4life on February 11, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Your explicit support of Mubarak makes you a right-wing fascist. Kinda hard to argue against fascism when you explicitly support it.

ernesto on February 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Here we go….

TheBigOldDog on February 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Hey – this just shows Obama’s leadership.

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM

“We did it. I cannot believe it. Mubarak the dictator has gone. And the Egyptian people will forever be free.”
You aren’t free until your rights are guaranteed.
Count to 10 on February 11, 2011 at 11:27 AM

And I remain pessimistic. I bet they can’t do it.
They haven’t really ever been able to do it. For centuries.
And this is why:

egypt is a very muslim country….mubarak tried to outlaw female genital ‘circumcision’ to no avail….demographics is destiny…get a clue.

right4life on February 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM

These people will trade Mubarak oppression for another kind.

women, go home and put on your burkas. men, enough with the shaving already..it’s mullah time!

DrW on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

I think you’re right.

Badger40 on February 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM

OH crap. Barry just couldn’t resist could he?
sandee on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM
well we already know what he is going to say:

I, I, I, Me, Me, Me, I, I, I, Egypt, I, Me, I, Me… blah and blah and blah.

upinak on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Did you hear any of his sh!t talk yesterday at the U of Michigan? It was, of course, all about him and how this was going to work out in Egypt for the young people similar to the way he was going to take care of those young people at UoM. In other words, yup, campaign mode….again.

sicoit on February 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Gotta love all the armchair middle east experts here! People who first happened upon the name Muslim Brotherhood 2 weeks ago insisting they know exactly how a revolution will turn out…laughable.

ernesto on February 11, 2011 at 11:46 AM

This is one time armchair experts can be correct, if they’re not under some nonsensical fantasy that this will result in American-style dumbocracy.

Seriously, that region has been revolting against someone or another since before America was even discovered. They kinda have a pattern by now.

Dark-Star on February 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM

if, as expected, the Muslim Brotherhood eventually takes over and turns Egypt into Afghanistan West.

MaiDee on February 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM

As expected by whom?

Turn on your radio. AM radio. (not the Spanish, Christian or sports stations)

YYZ on February 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM

From Mike Allen at Politico on Twitter:

TOP DEM. OFFICIAL: “situation remains…delicate…but..this is a huge affirmation of the President’s leadership on the international stage”

Took about 5 minutes for them to take credit.

Good Lt on February 11, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Have any of these idiots over heard of long-term thinking? Taking credit for it now might make them feel good about themselves, but if/when this turns violent and bloody, they’ll effectively own the situation.

Doughboy on February 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM

…much to the dismay of conservative totalitarians.

ernesto on February 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM

You win the thread….

…for the most misinformed, delusional comment yet.

Try to stay within the bounds of reality.

hillbillyjim on February 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM

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