Bombshell: Mubarak not stepping down; Update: U.S. officials “taken by surprise”; Update: Suleiman now de facto president, says ambassador; Update: No televised statement coming from Obama

posted at 4:05 pm on February 10, 2011 by Allahpundit

He’s still speaking as I write this and the translation is rough, but it surrrre sounds like he’s planning to serve out his term until September. A money line: No outsiders can give him orders The country’s Information Minister denied earlier (see the 8:03 p.m. update) that he had agreed to step down, but everyone assumed that that was a formality while arrangements were being made for him to leave.

He did say that he’s passed some of his duties to Suleiman and vowed that the much-loathed emergency law will be lifted — but even there, he didn’t give any firm commitments.

After all the media hype of the past several hours, I assume the crowds in Tahrir Square are about to go berserk. And once that happens, given Suleiman’s threats yesterday about a crackdown, the tanks are going to roll. Stand by for updates; all hell’s about to break loose.

Update: Egyptian blogger Sandmonkey says people in the street are “going crazy.” Here we go.

Update: What happened here, exactly? On Twitter, Kirsten Powers is speculating that media reports that he was going to quit were based on nothing more than rumor and wishcasting by journalists. I don’t think so. If it was that thin, Obama wouldn’t have alluded earlier to history unfolding before our eyes and Panetta wouldn’t have gone out on a limb by claiming that there was a strong likelihood that he would quit. Nor would Egypt’s military leaders have risked their prestige by making promises that won’t be kept:

[T]he first confirmation that Mr Mubarak would step down came from Lt Gen Sami Enan, the chief of the Armed Forces, who travelled to Tahrir Square to announce that the stand-off between the regime and the protesters would be brought to an end within hours. Through a loud hailer, he said: “All your demands will be met tonight.”

The change in the mood of the crowd was instantaneous. “The army and the people are one hand,” rose the chant.

By the time a uniformed officer appeared on television to read out “Communique number one” of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, it was clear that Mr Mubarak was no longer Egypt’s key player.

What happened here, I think, was some sort of eleventh-hour power struggle at the top, apparently within the military itself, about whether to push a reluctant Mubarak all the way out or keep him on with his powers devolving to Suleiman. That would explain why his speech was delayed for so many hours: Until the last moment, pro- and anti-Mubarak figures in the regime may have been wrestling over this. The pro- side won, and now we’re in the worst of all worlds — with this guy still on top, repudiating the United States as “outsiders,” and the military set to crack heads now that the crowds are ready to run wild in outrage over Mubarak’s power play.

Update: Protesters are already chanting “tomorrow, tomorrow” in anticipation of the day of prayers and massive demonstrations to follow. Assuming the crackdown doesn’t start tonight, tomorrow it is.

Update: Needless to say, if Mubarak still has enough support within the military to hold on even under pressure this tremendous, there’s no reason to believe he’ll follow through on his promise to step down in September, transfer his powers to Suleiman, etc. Referring to the U.S. as “outsiders” who are trying to dictate to him means our leverage with him is down to nil, especially with the Saudis poised to pick up the slack, so who’s left to push him out?

Update: More evidence that people very high up thought Mubarak was on his way out today. The new secretary-general of his own party was crowing to reporters earlier that he had phoned Mubarak and told him to scram for the good of the country. That’s obviously his way of positioning himself to take credit later, after Mubarak announced his resignation. Oops:

Hossam Badrawy, the new secretary-general of the ruling National Democratic Party said he told Mr. Mubarak in a telephone call that the president needed to step down for the good of the country.

“I came to this decision after many meetings, both with the vice president and with many, many of the beautiful, brilliant young people who are gathered in the square. I discussed this with the president. I told him that this move is what the republic needs,” said Mr. Badrawy…

“I have no definite information, but that is my expectation” that he will step aside,” Mr. Badrawy said. “This is the only way to restore confidence in Egypt.”

Update: Suleiman just finished speaking on TV and fired a shot across the bow of protesters, telling them that change is coming so now it’s time to go home. Crackdown status: Still on pace. Said Democratic Rep. Gary Ackerman of Mubarak’s speech, “He just lit the final fuse.”

Update: A little more evidence for my “eleventh-hour power struggle” theory from CNN:

Senior US official on #Mubarak speech: Not what we were told would happen, not what we wanted to happen

NBC has more about U.S. officials being “taken by surprise.” Apparently we’re still relying on assurances from the Egyptian military that they won’t fire on the protesters, even though it was almost certainly assurances from the Egyptian military that led us to believe Mubarak was on his way out.

Update: Here we go: Protesters trying to organize a march on the presidential palace.

Update: Evidently, the spin from Egypt’s diplomatic corps will be that this really is a victory for the protesters because Mubarak formally gave up his powers. Even thought (a) he gave them up to his right-hand man, who’s followed his wishes loyally for decades, and (b) remains in position to reclaim those powers if/when this blows over.

President Hosni Mubarak has transfered all effective powers of the presidency to Vice President Omar Suleiman, making Suleiman the de-facto president of Egypt, the Egyptian Ambassador to the United States said.

“The president did indicate very clearly he was transferring all his presidential authority to the vice president,” Sameh Shoukry told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “President Mubarak has transferred the powers of the presidency to his vice president, who will now undertake all authority as president.”

That makes Suleiman the head of the military, according to Shoukry, attributing the information to the Egyptian government.

Update: Pathetic — but still more proof that they really were taken by surprise on this:

Written stmt coming from White House – no on cam statement

Too bad. I was looking forward to an extra-purposeful “let me be clear” in The One’s comments on this.


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Terrye on February 10, 2011 at 4:52 PM

What are you an expert on Egypt? Egyptian politics? Foreign policy? You might fit in well with the rest of the Wons in the current Administration right here in Obamaland.

Key West Reader on February 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Instant demand? He has been in power for 29 years.

Terrye on February 10, 2011 at 4:52 PM

So 7 months until elections will be easy for the people to take. A drop in the bucket compared to 29 years.

portlandon on February 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Here we go,TWEETS!
====================

The real revolution of the #Egypt patriots starts tomorrow after Jumaah. #Mubarak the Pharaoh is committing slow suicide on NileTV #Jan25

Praying that the patriots of #Egypt dont turn violent because that is EXACTLY what #Mubarak @Suleiman and their thugs want them to do #Jan25

RT @ArabRevolution: CONFIRMED: Crowd chanted: “Leave your homes, Mubarak is leaving in a coffin” #Egypt #Jan25 #Tahrir

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/02/obama-envoy-to-egypt-revealed-to-work-for-pro-mubarak-and-not-surprisingly-pro-israel-lobby-firm.html

canopfor on February 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM

That’s why I don’t see the MB as anything near the threat the Glenn Beck, caliphate, holy crusader types do.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 4:48 PM

I think that was true until today.

I don’t think Egyptians want a theocracy, but I think they want something else, and what Mubarak offers is more of the same.

They now have only the choice of Mubarak and theocracy. It is really very much worse after today.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 4:51 PM

I know just what you mean. The other day I was watching Fox and they talked to a young woman in the streets who said We want freedom. We don’t want the Muslim Brotherhood telling us how to live either. She went on to say that she thought some of the fear of the MB was propaganda from Mubarak and his people designed to make the west believe they had to support him or face Islamism.

I guess we will find out. But Mubarak failed his people here. He should have made changes long ago to avoid a situation like this.

Terrye on February 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Obama, like Leon Panetta, probably had no more information on this than we had watching CNN.

Every time there is an incident that was unforseen (which is really most of our lives) it’s been clear that Obama was reacting to events, not driving them.

hawksruleva on February 10, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., chairman of the Foreign Affairs subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia, called Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s address “a sadistic tease” and predicted that demonstrations could turn violent.

Truth being a two edged sword…

NY Democrat Ackerman just lit the fuse with his own sadistic tease encouraging violent demonstrations given his official approval as US Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Subcommitte on the Middle East and South Asia.

maverick muse on February 10, 2011 at 4:56 PM

The big question is, “What would President Sarah Palin do?

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 4:57 PM

That’s why I don’t see the MB as anything near the threat the Glenn Beck, caliphate, holy crusader types do.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Beck was off his rocker today. Said that if Mubarak gets asylum in Germany that Germany might fall…..and Germany has NEO-NAZIS!!!!!!

Beck is a fear-mongering, conspiracy-addled dope, and I am glad that even Repub’s are turning on him now. He’s out of control and just needs to shut the hell up for awhile.

David2.0 on February 10, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Thanks. I wonder where the story of his resignation began? Who may have been behind it?

d1carter on February 10, 2011 at 4:47 PM
Bingo.

Key West Reader on February 10, 2011 at 4:50 PM

This is a good question. It came from the military. So if the Muslim Brotherhood is smart enough to do this, which I don’t think they are… they will rule Egypt and they will destroy Israel and there is nothing that can be done.

Because it means they own the military. The military that cracks down on them regularly. If they have got the Egyptian military, we are very near the end of the world.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 4:58 PM

There are three C’s to the administration foreign policy:

COMPOSURE

CONVICTION

COMPREHENSION

Obama has failed in all three areas: he has definitely not been poised in addressing the situation in Egypt, he has not advanced with conviction the American position based on its own Judeo-Christian ethics and advancing or maintaining American interests abroad, and he has apparently misunderstood what is going on in Egypt.

Utter fail!

technopeasant on February 10, 2011 at 4:59 PM

“”Oftentimes in history, it’s been the second revolution that matters — and I dare say that most of the people reporting on what’s happening in Egypt are clueless.” -Rush”

Seven Percent Solution on February 10, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Instant demand? He has been in power for 29 years.

Terrye on February 10, 2011 at 4:52 PM

So 7 months until elections will be easy for the people to take. A drop in the bucket compared to 29 years.

portlandon on February 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM

That might be true if they believed him. But from what I have seen they have no faith in anything Mubarak says at this point.

Terrye on February 10, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Man, I’m glad Neil’s show is over, he interrupted Brigitt Gabriel 5 times.

Tony737 on February 10, 2011 at 5:01 PM

The big question is, “What would President Sarah Palin do?“

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 4:57 PM

She’s such an airheaded ditz she’d be announcing Mubarak was gonna resign only to end up with egg on her face.

Oh, wait…

Bruno Strozek on February 10, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Because it means they own the military. The military that cracks down on them regularly. If they have got the Egyptian military, we are very near the end of the world.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 4:58 PM

I don’t know about that. I am not so sure the military is keen on a war with Israel…I don’t think most Egyptians are either. They don’t like Israel, but there is a big difference between not liking someone and going to war. I think most of this we see now comes from economic and political discontent. In other words it is domestic policy that concerns these people..and the MB represents about 20% of the people in Egypt. I read somewhere that the Copts represent about 18%.

Terrye on February 10, 2011 at 5:04 PM

they will rule Egypt and they will destroy Israel and there is nothing that can be done.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Puh-lease! Do you really think for one second that Egypt is looking forward to another 6 Day War? If it came to a conventional conflict (as opposed to the Lebanon type fiasco) that is precisely what would happen and they damned well know it. Put a paper bag over your head and count to 10 slowly, you’re hyperventilating.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM

hawksruleva on February 10, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Obama aligned himself in opposition to Mubarak. Western media aligned themselves diametrically against Mubarak supporters. American politicians and American diplomats take offense that their cacophony of confused voices fail to make instant change on command from Washington in Egypt.

Dammit, the Tea Party is STILL waiting for our own government to respond to our successful electoral demands. Who are we to expect any better elsewhere than here?

maverick muse on February 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Beck is a fear-mongering, conspiracy-addled dope, and I am glad that even Repub’s are turning on him now. He’s out of control and just needs to shut the hell up for awhile.

David2.0 on February 10, 2011 at 4:58 PM

The problem is Beck’s information, which he thinks is so new, is old old old. I read about all of this at the time of 9/11. I wish I could remember the book.

He is acting like all this is so new and immediate when the information is same old, same old.

It doesn’t make him wrong or the information not important, it just makes him out of step with current events. All this information is already figured into what is happening.

I am amazed at how slow he is on this.

He may be right and this is how it all ends. But his information is old.

And he has no answers, other than prepare for unrest. Which is not wrong either, but not all that helpful.

In fact Beck’s info is so old it is the exact calculations that got us to support the Shah and Mubarak and all the others in the first place!

I am so weirded out that he is so slow to realize the issues in the Middle East. He seems to think this is all new. He is usually smarter than this.

Why did he think we supported Mubarak in the first place? Did he think we just hated Egyptians? Welcome to 1920 Mr. Beck.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Terrye on February 10, 2011 at 5:04 PM

For the most part, the Zionist conspiracy and anti-US crap is habit that they don’t even buy. At least in Egypt, for the most part you can’t take it seriously. It just comes out as part of a collective nervous tick.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Pure humiliation for our beloved Prime Imbecile; first the charge of camels, and now a nice “Perite” from Mubarak. As I wrote earlier: Egyptian Parliamentary gossip, precipitated by a halfhearted pledge to step down due to foreign pressure.

Our MSN is clueless beyond belief.

Demosthenes on February 10, 2011 at 5:08 PM

I have to admit, I have a certain amount of respect for this guy for flipping everyone the bird and managing to keep hanging on for as long as he has.

Mark1971 on February 10, 2011 at 5:09 PM

So 7 months until elections will be easy for the people to take. A drop in the bucket compared to 29 years.

portlandon on February 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM

That would be the case except for the fact that Egypt is a police state and those protesters know they are destined for torture and imprisonment if they let up and settle for anything less than real substantial change.

lexhamfox on February 10, 2011 at 5:09 PM

maverick muse on February 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM

+7%…!

Seven Percent Solution on February 10, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Terrye…..

It’s not as simple as you think. Poll came out just the other day that more than 80% of Egyptians would opt for sharia law. Example cited: Stoning to death for adulters.
So, in this democracy everyone loses.
Mubarak, bad as he is, has kept the peace with Israel for 30 years. The Muslim Brotherhood says they would start a war with Israel if they controlled Egypt. This would not bode well for Egypt either.
I don’t have the solution but just throwing Mubarak under the bus like Obama is trying to do is not the answer.

VBMax on February 10, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Egyptian President Mubarak Announces He Is Not Stepping Down Immediately

(Video)
********

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/egyptian-president-mubarak-announces-he-is-not-stepping-down-immediately/

canopfor on February 10, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Being reported that Barry was watching the speech on Air Force One on the way back to D.C. I wish I could of witnessed him spitting out his drink as Mubarak dropped the bombshell. HaHaHa.

WisRich on February 10, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Terrye on February 10, 2011 at 5:04 PM

I’d speculate this boils down to a showdown between the CIA and Egypt/Saudi. Our intelligence scenario previously demanded that Mubarak sign onto their plan, no negotiations permitted, to effect a full military merge of the Egyptian Army with Israel’s in the CIA plot v. Iran. Mubarak refused to forfeit Egypt’s sovereignty under those conditions.

maverick muse on February 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM

So I’m watching Beck right now. This guy is a laugh riot! He’s furiously calling for Richard the Lionheart to rally the crusaders ’round the cross.

LOL! Now he’s on his, “Everyone said I was crazy, but I was right. They said I was mad, but I showed them,” as he wipes the drivel off the side of his mouth.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM

What happened today was a turning point.

It could have been a positive transitional period if Mubarak had turned power peacefully to the military so the people of Egypt could trust the next election.

But instead he acted like their father, insulted their intelligence and threw gasoline on a fire.

This was a turning point.

And it doesn’t look good.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Beck is on fire today.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:16 PM

Transcript: Hosni Mubarak TV address to Egypt
*********************************************

Thursday, February 10, 2011 | 4:56 PM ET

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2011/02/10/f-egypt-mubarak-transcript.html#ixzz1Db4U4Bdg

canopfor on February 10, 2011 at 5:16 PM

In fact Beck’s info is so old it is the exact calculations that got us to support the Shah …

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Supporting the Shah was the correct thing to do. The Shah was only overthrown after Jimmy Carter threatened to withold aid to Iran if the Shah didn’t lighten up on his opponents. Who were his primary opponents? Well, they were Islamofascists and Communists.

The Shah was a great man. Iran was a superpower under the Shah – and his “White Revolution” was in the process of improving education of all Iranians, as well as giving women equal rights.

The people who opposed him – most notably the Islamofascists – were opposed to rights for women and that is when the Shah’s troubles began.

By the way – the Shah had the support of the Mullahs when he came to power – the Mullahs forget that fact today don’t they?

If we hadn’t put the Shah in power – we’d have had a Soviet puppet … who would have been no kinder to his opponents than the Shah was to his.

We should lament the day the Shah left Iran.

HondaV65 on February 10, 2011 at 5:16 PM

canopfor 5:12
Did petunia miss it?

Mubarak claimed that he would be transferring some powers to the Vice President and promised to follow “the track of peaceful transition until September.”

maverick muse on February 10, 2011 at 5:16 PM

He’s furiously calling for Richard the Lionheart to rally the crusaders ’round the cross.
MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Gosh, Brutus, I haven’t heard that. Did the voices in your head tell you that Beck was sayng that?

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM

It could have been a positive transitional period if Mubarak had turned power peacefully to the military so the people of Egypt could trust the next election.

Trust in Martial Law, petunia.

It could be a positive transitional period if Egyptians go back to work and maintain their civility with each other while coordinating their platforms and candidates for September elections.

maverick muse on February 10, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Terrye…..

It’s not as simple as you think. Poll came out just the other day that more than 80% of Egyptians would opt for sharia law. Example cited: Stoning to death for adulters.
So, in this democracy everyone loses.
Mubarak, bad as he is, has kept the peace with Israel for 30 years. The Muslim Brotherhood says they would start a war with Israel if they controlled Egypt. This would not bode well for Egypt either.
I don’t have the solution but just throwing Mubarak under the bus like Obama is trying to do is not the answer.

VBMax on February 10, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Yes that is the choice Mubarak gave them today.

Dictatorship or Theocracy.

They’ve tried dictatorship.

Mubarak could have been a statesman. He could have stepped aside allowed others to help develop other options… Instead he clung to his own power.

Without Mubarak giving power to others to develop other options for the people, they have already chosen the MB. That is why this was such a disaster today.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:19 PM

The problem is Beck’s information, which he thinks is so new, is old old old.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM

That is common for Beck. I like him, but one of his weaknesses is that he’s learning about a lot of things only now. He learns about something and immediately rushes to “teach” his audience and to put it into context for them. But much of what he has “discovered” as a middle-aged adult, some of us learned in college many years ago. And since that time we’ve got years of additional reading and reflection that help balance our opinions. He’s usually right and the information he reports is generally correct, but sometimes he draws conclusions that make me cringe.

All that said, I admire his willingness to work to educate himself. Most don’t. And too many people stop studying and learning the minute they earn a degree.

flyfisher on February 10, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Trust in Martial Law, petunia.

It could be a positive transitional period if Egyptians go back to work and maintain their civility with each other while coordinating their platforms and candidates for September elections.

maverick muse on February 10, 2011 at 5:18 PM

If you think that is possible you have not been paying attention. These people have no reason to go home. No food, no nothing. They are desperate.

That was a unicorn dream that was never an option.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Channeling my best CNN anchor voice….

Mubarak is IN?

Mubarak is IN?

Mubarak is IN?

angryed on February 10, 2011 at 5:21 PM

He’s furiously calling for Richard the Lionheart to rally the crusaders ’round the cross.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM

*Snerk* There’s a word for people like that in a combat zone: target practice.

Dark-Star on February 10, 2011 at 5:22 PM

It’s not a democracy when a major political party is a terrorist outfit. First, let MB be defanged and renounce violence and only then any conservative parties should have a legitimate chance at democracy. Like in Turkey.

promachus on February 10, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Update: U.S. officials “taken by surprise”

While gathered around the TV, intently focused on the events unfolding before them, the entire WH staff were shocked when Gilligan stupidly knocked over the Professors’ latest invention.

Valerie Jarret was overheard to say “I can’t believe it. Every time…every time it looks like they’re gonna make it off..poof! I need some wine…..”

BobMbx on February 10, 2011 at 5:24 PM

We should lament the day the Shah left Iran.

HondaV65 on February 10, 2011 at 5:16 PM

No… we should lament letting the Shah fool us into thinking he was the only thing that was keeping Iran from becoming communist. It’s a false choice just like the false choice between Nazi Fascism and Bolshevism or between Mubarak and the Muslim Brotherhood.

lexhamfox on February 10, 2011 at 5:24 PM

My theory? Obama blew it. He ping ponged on this issue so much, disagreed with his own Egypt envoy, redefined ‘now’ a couple of times, and publicly told Mubarak, the head of a sovereign state, what to do. In one word, disgrace. Boo hoo for BHO. Now his cronies won’t have any talking points for the Sunday shows.

madmonkphotog on February 10, 2011 at 5:24 PM

He’s furiously calling for Richard the Lionheart to rally the crusaders ’round the cross.
MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Gosh, Brutus, I haven’t heard that. Did the voices in your head tell you that Beck was sayng that?

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Well Glenn did seem not to know until recently that it was the main goal for the Islamists to take over all the formerly Muslim ruled countries… and that they have been working toward that goal… since the crusades!

This is not new.

It’s like saying Christians are sending missionaries to China… it’s what Muslims do, for centuries. Their goal has always been world domination.

I didn’t watch Beck today, in fact when he started on this topic I just shook my head because it is the most basic understanding of the Middle East that I thought everyone knew. At least since 9/11. If you tried to figure out 9/11 at all you knew all of this.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:26 PM

MJBrutus, after seeing you claims about Egypt you might not want to call Beck a nut. I don’t watch the guy, but you are not coming coming off any better.
You keep on thinking the MB isn’t all that bad tho. Your deliberate blindness is quite amusing…and sad.

Hard Right on February 10, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Ummmm lexham, was Khomeni better than the shaw?

Hard Right on February 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM

If you think that is possible you have not been paying attention. These people have no reason to go home. No food, no nothing. They are desperate.

That was a unicorn dream that was never an option.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:21 PM

If they start to fight , people who isn’t demonstrating will support the state. The military got the food and the weapons.
Thats realpolitik.

the_nile on February 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Really?

You mean a dictatorial thug is doing what he wants? contrary to the wished of his country? Contrary to the wishes of Teh One?

catmman on February 10, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Yup,as opposed to those other dictatorial thugs Barry loves.Egyptian
people are caught in the middle.

katy the mean old lady on February 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM

We should lament the day the Shah left Iran.

HondaV65 on February 10, 2011 at 5:16 PM
No… we should lament letting the Shah fool us into thinking he was the only thing that was keeping Iran from becoming communist. It’s a false choice just like the false choice between Nazi Fascism and Bolshevism or between Mubarak and the Muslim Brotherhood.

lexhamfox on February 10, 2011 at 5:24 PM

I think Egypt may have become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It didn’t need to be this way.

But Mubarak just gave all the power to the MB.

He forced his people into the arms of the waiting wolves.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:29 PM

madmonkphotog on February 10, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Yes, and Hillary’s not covering herself in glory either. Don’t fancy their chances in 2012, either of them. LOL.

Fortunata on February 10, 2011 at 5:29 PM

wow, i leave you all for a little bit and this happens…i bet msdnc is going beserk…

cmsinaz on February 10, 2011 at 5:30 PM

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Petunia, I was simply stating that Brutus was describing something that was not going on on Beck’s TV Show.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:30 PM

No… we should lament letting the Shah fool us into thinking he was the only thing that was keeping Iran from becoming communist. It’s a false choice just like the false choice between Nazi Fascism and Bolshevism or between Mubarak and the Muslim Brotherhood.

lexhamfox on February 10, 2011 at 5:24 PM

And I suspect you would be able to provide us what the other, less or even non false choices were available during that period?

BobMbx on February 10, 2011 at 5:32 PM

What’s with the new charge of trolls? Has the liberals’ favorite Nazi stooge George Soros called up the reserves?

slickwillie2001 on February 10, 2011 at 5:32 PM

CIA: This was unexpected.

darwin on February 10, 2011 at 5:33 PM

For the most part, the Zionist conspiracy and anti-US crap is habit that they don’t even buy. At least in Egypt, for the most part you can’t take it seriously. It just comes out as part of a collective nervous tick.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Well gee, my friends in the IDF were starting to get a bit nervous. Thankfully I can tell them to calm down, because noted ME policy expert MJBrutus tells them ‘all is well!’

Good Solid B-Plus on February 10, 2011 at 5:33 PM

wow, i leave you all for a little bit and this happens…i bet msdnc is going beserk…

cmsinaz on February 10, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Not yet. They’re still winding up the carousel to spin the MB statement and clarification. They are unaware. See the Headline Update: SURPRISE!

BobMbx on February 10, 2011 at 5:33 PM

If they start to fight , people who isn’t demonstrating will support the state. The military got the food and the weapons.
Thats realpolitik.

the_nile on February 10, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Woo hoo! More oppession. That’s just what I was hoping for out of all this!

Maybe the military will take over. And that would be better, because it appears most Egyptians like the military, and the military is against the MB. And they are mostly pro-American.

Maybe that is the best we can hope for. A non-voluntary military coup.

What wonderful options we have.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:33 PM

CIA: This was unexpected.

darwin on February 10, 2011 at 5:33 PM

They got CNN as information source?

the_nile on February 10, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on February 10, 2011 at 5:33 PM

Defcon 3 should suffice.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Defcon 3 should suffice.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:35 PM

דבר בשם עצמך

Good Solid B-Plus on February 10, 2011 at 5:37 PM

It is impossible to trade a tyranny for a better tyranny. The best we can hope for from a super-majority of people favoring genital mutilation is that the tyrant friendliest to the US wins. That won’t improve the people’s lives in Egypt but it will be better for us.

Immolate on February 10, 2011 at 5:38 PM

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:26 PM

Petunia, I was simply stating that Brutus was describing something that was not going on on Beck’s TV Show.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I love Beck.

I have been really disappointed in his coverage of this.

And for the first time he seems really egotistical about it.

His information is correct, but his interpretation is just not necessary, and not helpful.

For instance, he goes on and on about how biased against the US Al Jazeera is… does he think we are unable to filter through the bias? He is supposed to think we are smart. But they have had the best coverage. And you can get so much out of it, and at the same time discount the bias. My brain is able to do that. I guess Beck thinks he is the only one. For the first time I’ve been insulted by the way he acts.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on February 10, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Translation? It’s been (too many) decades since my Bar Mitzvah :-)

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Why did it take Mubarak this long to do nothing other than what was already announced?

Buy Danish on February 10, 2011 at 5:40 PM

So now what is the boy prez and his entourage of smart government types going to do? What an embarassment for all of us Americans…

In a way, with no assurrance the MB wasn’t going to become the governing party, this might not be so bad for now. The Egyptians haven’t worked for two weeks and are going to be desperate soon maybe this will scare Mubarak enough to really do something to help his people and they will accept.

CCRWM on February 10, 2011 at 5:40 PM

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:38 PM

You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. Watch the Situation Room with Wolfie or watch Sgt. Schultz instead, then.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Oops. Old MuBar still has some smarts and caljones. Now we get to see how much trouble the commies, jihadists, and their useful tool idealists can create.

shmendrick on February 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

CIA: This was unexpected.

That’s pretty much been their mantra throughout this affair.

tommyboy on February 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Beck is certainly not the fool here……Obama earned it fair and square.

tinkerthinker on February 10, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Why did it take Mubarak this long to do nothing other than what was already announced?

Buy Danish on February 10, 2011 at 5:40 PM

There is often much drama in Nascar with no car changing positions at the end. I think this is kind of like that.

Immolate on February 10, 2011 at 5:42 PM

they will rule Egypt and they will destroy Israel and there is nothing that can be done.

petunia on February 10, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Yeahhhh… No. The Israelis will take care of business like they always have when they had to.

jarodea on February 10, 2011 at 5:42 PM

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I keep forgetting. Some people don’t get satire.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:42 PM

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:42 PM

And some people claim that their usual anti-Christian snark is satire.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM

CORRECTION
===============

Heres the Full Video of President Mubarak Speech
*************************************************

Part 1: Mubarak Addresses Nation, Refuses to Step Down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vpp94wxff4

canopfor on February 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM

BobMbx on February 10, 2011 at 5:33 PM

thanks buddy

cmsinaz on February 10, 2011 at 5:45 PM

And some people claim that their usual anti-Christian snark is satire.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM

That was anti-Christian? Who knew?

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Count it!

rogerb on February 10, 2011 at 5:46 PM

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:45 PM

King Richard the Lion-Hearted? The Cross? Gimme a break.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Ah Ha! I figured it out.

The check from Saudi Arabia finally arrived.

“I ain’t goin’ nowhere, says my BFF King Faud”

BobMbx on February 10, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Ugh,I`m on a roll,CORRECTION 2,
sorry,heres the other half!!
===============================

Part 2: Egypt’s Mubarak Addresses Nation, Refuses to Step Down
******************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT44N1WP7EI

canopfor on February 10, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Yeahhhh… No. The Israelis will take care of business like they always have when they had to.

jarodea on February 10, 2011 at 5:42 PM

It’s kinda hard if you aren’t getting munitions supplied to you. Given the kinds of people in charge in DC and Europe right now, I wouldn’t put it past them to pull support, a la South Vietnam in ’75.

teke184 on February 10, 2011 at 5:48 PM

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Yeah … and that equals anti-Christian because __________.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:49 PM

For once I’m agreeing with Kristen Powers; You could feel the momentum within the reporting this morning. It was nothing but speculation for hours, and there were *some* reporters who I thought were taking great liberties with their conclusions. Even Rush commented several times that they were all jumping the gun and that all the foreign press and esp. Al Jazerra was trying to force a conclusion that wasn’t set yet.

anniekc on February 10, 2011 at 5:50 PM

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Because of your documented record at Hor Air. Why did you write it anyway? Beck never said it.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:51 PM

HondaV65 on February 10, 2011 at 5:16 PM

There are few easy choices in the ME. Mubarak is no one’s ideal of a great leader, but this is not as simple as “the people want him gone! He must leave! in the name of democracy!”

A coup could light up the whole region. Obama has no idea what he is messing with here. Either that, or he knows exactly what he’s messing with. Which of those two is more frightening, I can’t say.

Missy on February 10, 2011 at 5:51 PM

The problem is Beck’s information, which he thinks is so new, is old old old. I read about all of this at the time of 9/11. I wish I could remember the book.petunia on February 10, 2011 at 5:05 PM

OK, I just tuned in to Beck to see what you are talking about. He was playing footage of DNI James Clapper calling the MB “largely secular,” and “has eschewed violence.” He freaked out on that pretty bad. Now how is this dated information? Or is that you just disagree that the MB is an extremist organization? Just trying to see your point.

stefanite on February 10, 2011 at 5:53 PM

BREAKING: US officials taken by surprise that water is wet.

Also in a moment of pure clarity, US Director of National Intelligence Clapper discovers that water is also mostly secular. But discovers this statement is also false in failing to consider Catholic water.

catmman on February 10, 2011 at 5:53 PM

A coup could light up the whole region. Obama has no idea what he is messing with here. Either that, or he knows exactly what he’s messing with. Which of those two is more frightening, I can’t say.

Missy on February 10, 2011 at 5:51 PM

The whole region is already lighting up.

Tunisia and Lebanon have already had revolutions, while there are revolts in Egypt and Jordan within the Middle East and Albania in the corner of Eastern Europe.

teke184 on February 10, 2011 at 5:53 PM

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Aww, such a sensitive boy. Such a victim, how sad.

I told you why I wrote it, satire. GB beclowned himself and I thought it funny to take his rant one, tiny step further to drive home the point humorously. Oh and also because I wanted to persecute Christians.

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Most of Obama’s government has responded like a deer caught in the headlights for the past 2+ years so why should this be any different.

rplat on February 10, 2011 at 5:54 PM

catmman on February 10, 2011 at 5:53 PM

LOL. They were mubarick-rolled, and how.

Fortunata on February 10, 2011 at 5:56 PM

MJBrutus on February 10, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Can’t argue with a documented record, huh? Victim? Hardly. Christian American Conservative? Yep.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Because of your my documented martyr-complex record at Hot Air.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 5:51 PM

FTFY.

Dark-Star on February 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Shoes in da air picture!
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http://yfrog.com/gyo484j

canopfor on February 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM

FTFY.

Dark-Star on February 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Oh, look. They stick together.

kingsjester on February 10, 2011 at 6:00 PM

canopfor on February 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM

yowser

cmsinaz on February 10, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Yeahhhh… No. The Israelis will take care of business like they always have when they had to.

jarodea on February 10, 2011 at 5:42 PM

It’s kinda hard if you aren’t getting munitions supplied to you. Given the kinds of people in charge in DC and Europe right now, I wouldn’t put it past them to pull support, a la South Vietnam in ’75.

teke184 on February 10, 2011 at 5:48 PM

An arms cutoff would be foolish, all it would do is lower Israel’s nuclear threshold. Nixon realized that, and he surged supplies to Israel in a time of danger.

slickwillie2001 on February 10, 2011 at 6:05 PM

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