Report: House GOP in revolt against leadership, demanding steeper budget cuts

posted at 5:48 pm on February 9, 2011 by Allahpundit

Actually, says Rich Lowry, they’re “almost” in open revolt, which means … I’m not sure.

We’re hearing that the Republican Study Committee and GOP freshmen were almost in open revolt at the Republican conference this morning over the initial round of cuts set out by Paul Ryan. The Ryan ceiling falls shorts of the headline number of $100 billion set out in the Pledge, and is therefore considered vastly insufficient. Says a source familiar with the meeting, “It sent a clear unequivocal message to leadership — ‘Houston, you’ve got a problem.’” The leadership assured conservatives at a RSC lunch later in the day that the message had been received. Says a GOP leadership aide, “The bill that passes the House will cut substantially more.”…

A GOP aide close to House conservatives tells NRO: “If the bill that comes to the floor next week does not get to the $100 billion mark ($378 billion in total non-security spending for the year), our plan has always been to offer an amendment to close the gap. So if they come in at $420 billion for non-security, we’d go for another $42 billion in cuts to get down to the $378 billion total. Leadership has said that their plan is just the ‘first bite at the apple.’ We understand that, but a lot of conservatives just think the first bite needs to be bigger.”

Cantor claimed after today’s lunch with Obama that “we’re serious about cutting spending,” but the rebellion against the GOP’s proposal was already underway last night when Jeff Flake and Cynthia Lummis voted against it on the Appropriations Committee because it didn’t go far enough. They want to cut $100 billion this year, the figure Republicans initially promised to trim in the Pledge to America before they started inching away from it and settled on the new figure of $58 billion. Which is super, but even that larger figure is less than 10 percent of the $1.5 trillion deficit that’s projected for this year. It’s a token cut, more significant as a signal to the base that “we mean business” than a meaningful dent in fiscal insanity.

I think it’s this simple: If a Balanced Budget Amendment doesn’t gain serious traction in Congress soon — the debt ceiling debate might be its only hope — then realistically only a fiscal catastrophe will force the feds to balance their books. Even Rand Paul, who’s pushing a whopping $500 billion in cuts, acknowledges that that’s merely a first step given the magnitude of the problem. In fact, I wonder if the “open revolt” is a bit of kabuki being practiced by the House GOP to make them look like uncompromising hardliners on spending despite the fact that the deeper cuts they’re demanding are still comparatively insignificant. The media’s practicing that kabuki too: Behold CNN describing the proposed cuts of $58 billion as “massive” even though that figure represents just three percent or so of this year’s deficit. And here’s a new piece from National Journal lamenting the fact that Obama’s budget proposal would cut $3 billion in federal energy assistance to the poor, which will achieve instant talking-point status on the left as a rationale for deficit spending into oblivion.

Kent Conrad, who made himself a lame duck a few weeks ago when he said he won’t run again, is going to take a shot today at convincing Senate Democrats that the debt really, truly is a looming disaster that needs to be dealt with ASAP. That’s also super, but the only way to seriously deal with the debt is through entitlement reform, and neither party will be touching that with a presidential election next year. (That’s why they keep tossing this political football around.) But even talking about it is progress at this point. I think. I hope?


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Such a courageous bunch.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 5:49 PM

I like Glenn’s idea.

“…an across-the-board cut of, say, 5% or more, would probably be easier to get through than specific cuts, and also save more money. If Senate Democrats want to vote against that, let ‘em. There can’t be many voters who really think that government departments can’t survive a 5% cut.

aquaviva on February 9, 2011 at 5:51 PM

OT and BREAKING:

HA posts story about REVOLT in US Government.

Filter breakdown…or something more insidious?

BobMbx on February 9, 2011 at 5:52 PM

just get’er done…

only a fiscal catastrophe will force the feds to balance their books.

hope we don’t get to that point…

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Obamas Budget Cuts,in pictures!
=================================

Obama’s “tough budget cuts” in pictures

President Obama’s 2012 budget will be roughly $3,800,000 million ($3.8 trillion).

The anticipated 2012 budget deficit will be $1,500,000 million ($1.5 trillion). This means we are borrowing that amount from our children to fund all of the Democrats’ Utopian spending programs.

Finally, the president has proposed “tough budget cuts” that total $775 million. No, that’s not a joke.

Let’s illustrate the magnitude of Obama’s cuts.
————————————————-

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/02/obamas-tough-budget-cuts-in-pictures.html

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 5:53 PM

everything is a ‘first step’, however, someone has to take it…

JUST DO IT!!!!

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Look at it this way;

Obama wants to cut deficit spending by .07%.
The Republicans have offered 5.2%.
The “extreme” Rand Paul proposal is 35.7%.

The governing class still doesn’t get it. Even Paul’s proposal gives us twice the highest deficit we ever had with a Republican congress.

Not good enough…

18-1 on February 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

“Nuke the entire site from orbit—it’s the only way to be sure”

karl9000 on February 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 5:53 PM

perfect!

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM

settled on the new figure of $58 billion.

That isn’t a cut, it isn’t even a scratch, my grand kids have a saying “no blood no bandaid”.

fourdeucer on February 9, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Cut spending and don’t stop til the discussions in Washington stop using the T-word like it is nothing.

txmomof6 on February 9, 2011 at 5:56 PM

They think 58 billion will show us they mean business? That’s like me leaving a 50 cent deposit to order a new Lexus LFA…

Alinsky on February 9, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Its going to take a collapse. The dems will not deviate. Plenty of people have the “im entitled to my government money” attitude. And they vote.

Collapse it is then.

Revenant on February 9, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Nice article, AP. Kudos.

faraway on February 9, 2011 at 5:58 PM

My husband worked for DOD as a civilian. He said the only way you can get rid of the waste is to tell everyone that they are getting a set percentage cut in funding. People within the departments know where the waste is. Stop micromanaging and cut everything.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Yesterday was 32 Billion..today it’s 58?. Can’t wait for Hugh Hewitt show today…..

hawkman on February 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

Paul Ryans website
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http://paulryan.house.gov/

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:00 PM

“Actually, says Rich Lowry, they’re “almost” in open revolt, which means … I’m not sure.”

Maybe the difference is between venting behind closed doors and the steps of the Capitol.

Dusty on February 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

BREAKING: Congressman Chris Lee (R-NY) has resigned.

amerpundit on February 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

ot: fox news alert

GOP rep resigns amid scandal…

dang

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Damn right. They don’t mandate us. We mandate them.

mike_NC9 on February 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 5:53 PM
perfect!

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 5:55 PM

cmsinaz:Yup,a real perspective,er sumpin close to that
word-age!!:)

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM

In fact, I wonder if the “open revolt” is a bit of kabuki being practiced by the House GOP to make them look like uncompromising hardliners on spending despite the fact that the deeper cuts they’re demanding are still comparatively insignificant

This is playing out just like the budget crisis in California played out, with Republicans jostling over which one of them could afford to vote with the Dems. In other words, Republicans are already galvanized into raising the debt ceiling and not cutting spending. Now it’s just like Pelosi “cutting loose” blue dogs on the O-care vote; who can’t afford to disappoint their constituents?

hisfrogness on February 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM

From wiki;

Resignation from Congress

In February of 2011 Representative Chris Lee was found to have been posting personal ads on Craigslist looking for women and lying about his age and marriage after emails and risque photos he sent to a woman were uncovered.[24] On February 9, 2011, he announced that he will be resigning from Congress[25].

18-1 on February 9, 2011 at 6:03 PM

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:02 PM

indeed…

will the blm show this?….nah

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Back in January, Boehner called for a 5% cut in the congressional staff/office budgets. I said it would set a bad precedent. How can he/they expect any more from anyone else? What were congressional staff/office budgets back in 06′ when the Dems took over? That should be the baseline.

CTSherman on February 9, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Great we just lost a Republican congressman from New York due to resignation. That’s probably one we won’t get back. Big Stupid.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 6:05 PM

BREAKING: Congressman Chris Lee (R-NY) has resigned.

amerpundit on February 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Sex or Money?

portlandon on February 9, 2011 at 6:06 PM

that should be the baseline for every department in the Federal government.

CTSherman on February 9, 2011 at 6:07 PM

I had somebody throw me the old “for the cost of one nuke sub we could hire 50,000 new teachers” line.

Yes. Of course, and what about the cost of paying those teachers for the next 40 years + retirement? how many subs is that?

The budget problem will not be fixed until it all comes tumbling down. And by then it won’t matter.

WitchDoctor on February 9, 2011 at 6:08 PM

portlandon on February 9, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Sex apparently.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Chris Lee wasn’t smart enough to do his hanky panky inside the White House.

faraway on February 9, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Sex or Money?

portlandon on February 9, 2011 at 6:06 PM

He sent shirtless pics of himself to a woman he was talking with on Craigslist.

The communication was mutual but she realized who he is and sent the communications to Gawker — which immediately decided that his vote against government funding for abortion made him hypocritical.

amerpundit on February 9, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Sex. Shirtless photo, lies, soliciting an affair.

andy85719 on February 9, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Moral of the story is… only cheat with conservative women

faraway on February 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM

He sent shirtless pics of himself to a woman he was talking with on Craigslist.

The communication was mutual but she realized who he is and sent the communications to Gawker — which immediately decided that his vote against government funding for abortion made him hypocritical.

amerpundit on February 9, 2011 at 6:09 PM

How sad. Bringing shame to ones family is terrible.

portlandon on February 9, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Keep buying ammo.

BowHuntingTexas on February 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

He sent shirtless pics of himself to a woman he was talking with on Craigslist.

The communication was mutual but she realized who he is and sent the communications to Gawker — which immediately decided that his vote against government funding for abortion made him hypocritical.

amerpundit on February 9, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Look, whether you’re a Dem, Repub or Indy, if you wanna screw around with random trim on Craigslist , get a divorce first. -_-

Actually, that goes for people who don’t hold public office as well.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Moral of the story is… only cheat with conservative women

faraway on February 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Here’s a thought:

Spitzer/Lee on CNN? Call it Cheaters & Liars

portlandon on February 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Allah: As I have wrote so many times here, you are not going to get a constitutional balanced budget admendment from congress. It just aint gonna happen from the feds.
If you really want a balanced budget admendment, then you need to have 2/3 of the state legislatures convene an article V convention. This will be the only way in this reality to get the amendment proposed and passed. Maybe you can get a congress to do it in a Fringe reality.

paulsur on February 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Mr Feet meet Mr. Fire

Oil Can on February 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM

ot: fox news alert

GOP rep resigns amid scandal…

dang

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:01 PM

cmsinaz:Ugh,is this it!:)
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House of Representatives
N.Y. Rep Resigns After Claim He Sent Shirtless Photo to Woman on Craigslist

Published February 09, 2011
FoxNews.com
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Rep. Christopher Lee resigned Wednesday after a report claimed the married Republican congressman sent a shirtless photo of himself to a woman on Craigslist.

Earlier Wednesday Lee, asked by Fox News about the report as he was walking to his car, said he was not willing to talk about the issue, adding “I have to work this out with my wife.”
=============

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/09/rep-lee-declines-comment-report-claiming-sent-shirtless-photo-craigslist/

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Chris Lee is was my Rep. I am so proud… /

rcpjr on February 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM

I am revolted by the revulsion to spending cuts.

rbj on February 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM

portlandon on February 9, 2011 at 6:12 PM

good one :)

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM

just plain stupid…

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Yep. Cut back to 2008 levels. Then tell each dept. & cabinet sec. to cut another 5%. If they can’t find it, Ryan’s budget committee will find it for you. I’m positive they will be able to weed out the abuse themselve very quickly.

JAM on February 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Lets start with the Dept of Education and go from there. Or start with the EPA….I don’t care.

tommer74 on February 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM

I want the cuts to be so deep…

… That the offices on “K” street look like the commercial real estate market in the rest of the country.

Seven Percent Solution on February 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM

I am going to protest these ineffectual budget cuts by not going to work tomorrow…oh wait I’m unemployed, never mind.

KF Peters on February 9, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Seven Percent Solution on February 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM

me likey

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Congressman Chris Lee Resigns After Shirtless Photo Posted on Internet
New York Republican Reportedly Sent Revealing Photos to a Woman He Met on Craigslist

CTSherman on February 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM

CTSherman:Ugharoo!!

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:18 PM

I’m happy that Chris “Shirtless” Lee was discovered before the elections.

faraway on February 9, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Great we just lost a Republican congressman from New York due to resignation. That’s probably one we won’t get back. Big Stupid.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Nah, won’t be a lost seat. It will come down to the Tea Party vs. Establishment Republicans if there is a battle in that area. Whoever drew up the district map did a nice job for the GOP.

CTSherman on February 9, 2011 at 6:19 PM

THE GOP DOESN’T GET IT.

HondaV65 on February 9, 2011 at 6:19 PM

For those that say we can’t cut anything because it is a critical and vital program that is indispensable…

… I would kindly remind them that each and every soldier underneath the tombstones in any of our military cemeteries was critical, vital, and indispensable.

CUT THE FU%KING BUDGET…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on February 9, 2011 at 6:21 PM

I want the cuts to be so deep…

… That the offices on “K” street look like the commercial real estate market in the rest of the country.

Seven Percent Solution on February 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Seven Percent Solution:Excellent Snark,needs theme music:)
===========================================================

Bee Gees – How Deep Is Your Love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zWP1V9Eo0c&feature=fvst

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Seven Percent Solution on February 9, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Excellent point!!!!

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Anyways, let’s get back to the topic at hand. I want draconian cuts–20 percent across the board.

andy85719 on February 9, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Scandal
Republicans resign or get forced out in shame
Democrats – new committee or upgraded office – celebrated

TheVer on February 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM

The Tea Party: WE DEMAND SMALLER GOVERNMENT! (except, of course, in the case of the expansion of federal police and security powers.)

ernesto on February 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM

We are at the stage now when every year is an election year? That’s a pretty lame excuse for not getting the job done.

GaltBlvnAtty on February 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM

For those that say we can’t cut anything because it is a critical and vital program that is indispensable…

… I would kindly remind them that each and every soldier underneath the tombstones in any of our military cemeteries was critical, vital, and indispensable.

CUT THE FU%KING BUDGET…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on February 9, 2011 at 6:21 PM

THIS.

portlandon on February 9, 2011 at 6:27 PM

ernesto on February 9, 2011 at 6:24 PM

What are you talking about. Obama wanted a longer extension of the Patriot Act than the Republicans. And as a Tea Party person, nothing is off the table and everything must be cut.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:22 PM

nice :)

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Why haven’t the the GOP been pushing harder to freeze the debt ceiling as the best method to defund obamadinejadcare? I hope to hell there’s enough pitbulls in the GOP house to smack get-along-crybaby Boehner.

Western_Civ on February 9, 2011 at 6:29 PM

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM
=================
just plain stupid…

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:15 PM

cmsinaz:Beyond El Stupido,again,Little Brain was doing all
the,ahem,thinking!

On the otherhand,a Liberal also resigned!!:)
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“Moderate” Rep. Harman Resigns: “The Timing Wasn’t Mine”
*********************************************************

Self-described “moderate” Congresswoman Jane Harman (D-CA) says she is resigning to become the leader of a think tank.

Posted on February 8, 2011

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/08/moderate_rep_harman_resigns_the_timing_wasnt_mine.html

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:29 PM

We are at the stage now when every year is an election year? That’s a pretty lame excuse for not getting the job done.

GaltBlvnAtty on February 9, 2011 at 6:26 PM

amen buddy

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Chris Lee was for high speed rail

faraway on February 9, 2011 at 6:29 PM

CTSherman on February 9, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Thanks, that makes me feel a bit better. What is wrong with these goofy people?

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 6:29 PM

cmsinaz:Beyond El Stupido,again,Little Brain was doing all
the,ahem,thinking!

On the otherhand,a Liberal also resigned!!:)
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canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:29 PM

lol :)

good point….

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:30 PM

“… The leadership assured conservatives…”

Tacit acknowledgement and thus proof that the GOP poohbahs aren’t conservatives. They are Republican big government careerist pols.

JimP on February 9, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Nuke the entire site from orbit—it’s the only way to be sure”

karl9000 on February 9, 2011 at 5:54 PM

I Likeee— lol!!

nwsseeker on February 9, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 6:28 PM

And yet Allan West, along with 42 other Tea Party caucus members, voted to extend. Smaller government is just not a principle for these sham politicians that got all of you riled up. Sure, when it comes to cutting services to poor people and funding for science, the Tea Party is all about small government. The PATRIOT act, on the other hand…

ernesto on February 9, 2011 at 6:32 PM

The new John Boehner proving to be the old John Boehner

jake-the-goose on February 9, 2011 at 6:32 PM

My husband worked for DOD as a civilian. He said the only way you can get rid of the waste is to tell everyone that they are getting a set percentage cut in funding. People within the departments know where the waste is. Stop micromanaging and cut everything.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM

THIS. The House should simply pass a bill that says alll departmwents SHALL reduce spending for the remainder of fiscal 2011 by 5%. Leave it up to the agencies to decide what to cut. No need for Congress to get into the weeds and create targets for liberals.

We all know the Cabinet is really doing nothing in this Administration because all the real work is being done by the “czars” at the White House. So, let’s give them something to do.

Oh, and BTW, if Congress simply shuts down Fannie and Freddie it is more than halfway to the $100 billion.

rockmom on February 9, 2011 at 6:32 PM

[CTSherman on February 9, 2011 at 6:19 PM]

Yeah, it will stay Republican.

Dusty on February 9, 2011 at 6:33 PM

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:29 PM
lol :)

good point….

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:30 PM

cmsinaz:I’m thinking that the Democrats are realizing
that they have angry,hostile voters,and after
twenty or so years in service,(for their own
safety)its time to go!!:)

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:36 PM

The cowards are looking for a non-congressional, non-partisan committee to do the dirty work. What the heck do we elect these congressional poltroons for?

fourdeucer on February 9, 2011 at 6:38 PM

canopfor on February 9, 2011 at 6:36 PM

hope more of them follow her lead :)

cmsinaz on February 9, 2011 at 6:38 PM

None of this stuff matters. If the debt ceiling is raised, spending will not be cut. Everybody knows this.

Bugler on February 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Could we just rename them the whig party and get it over with it. If the “Establishment” GOP does not realize that the New World Order of less government is coming they will when it does and then wonder what just happened. Well one New World Order is happening which it be Communist world order, Caliphate or a governance bureaucracy without boarders.

tjexcite on February 9, 2011 at 6:47 PM

aquaviva on February 9, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I’m okay with $75 billion this round. Next round? 10 percent across the board cuts. Let each dept. figure out what they’re going to trim.

John the Libertarian on February 9, 2011 at 6:53 PM

ernesto on February 9, 2011 at 6:32 PM

But you know that security is something the government is required to do by the constitution. You read way too much into “promote the general welfare”.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 6:53 PM

That’s also super, but the only way to seriously deal with the debt is through entitlement reform, and neither party will be touching that with a presidential election next year. (That’s why they keep tossing this political football around.) But even talking about it is progress at this point. I think. I hope?

Who knows? Even die-hard Bob Beckel admitted on Hannity’s radio show today that the left, including himself, have for years used the scare tactic on SS and Medicare to scare people into voting for Dems, but they can’t do it any longer and must work with the GOP to address the problem.

ladyingray on February 9, 2011 at 6:56 PM

The agency budgets arent the main problem. Pass a law that reduces all entitlement spending by 20%. Now thats progress.

Revenant on February 9, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 6:53 PM

And you read way too much into “promote the common defense”. If promoting the general welfare is not a valid function of government because there are no enumerated powers associated with it, then any government security action that is not part of a declaration of war falls under the same category. Of course, that doesn’t bother you, because its not about the size of government for you – its about making sure we as a country spend as little as possible on funding science, the arts, and support for the poor. Liberty is not the value at the heart of the Tea Party, it’s callousness.

ernesto on February 9, 2011 at 7:07 PM

ernesto on February 9, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Explain why it is the responsibility of the government, i.e. the taxpayers, to support ‘science, the arts, and support for the poor’.

ladyingray on February 9, 2011 at 7:11 PM

These folks are ALL on Hugh Hewitt’s radio station making freaking excuses AND pointing fingers at each other saying it’s because of >>>him that WE can’t get it done. It such a load of BS and they STILL think we’re stupid AND that we’ll just pull the lever for folks like Lugar.

If we can’t get the right folks in 2012 forget it. We’re done for. WE CANNOT SUSTAIN THESE BUDGETS. WE JUST CAN’T.

Sultry Beauty on February 9, 2011 at 7:12 PM

funding science, the arts, and support for the poor

has nothing to do with liberty or gov’t.

paulsur on February 9, 2011 at 7:13 PM

funding science, the arts, and support for the poor

is a function of charities.

paulsur on February 9, 2011 at 7:14 PM

has nothing to do with liberty or gov’t.

paulsur on February 9, 2011 at 7:13 PM

Says who? Its right there in the preamble, next to “promote the common defense”. Now, as I said to Cindy, you can make the case that because there are no enumerated powers associated with it, the general welfare is not a proper federal function. However, such a view would also have to include all federal security activity that is not directly related to a declared war.

ernesto on February 9, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Hows them NY bedbugs?

Paradise!

Inanemergencydial on February 9, 2011 at 7:18 PM

general welfare

These clauses in the U.S. Constitution are exceptions to the typical use of a general welfare clause, and are not considered grants of a general legislative power to the federal government[2] as the U.S. Supreme Court has held:

the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution “has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the Government of the United States or on any of its Departments”;[3][4] and,
that Associate Justice Joseph Story’s construction of the Article I, Section 8 General Welfare Clause—as elaborated in Story’s 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States—is the correct interpretation.[5][6] Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not an independent grant of power, but a qualification on the taxing power which included within it a power to spend tax revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.

paulsur on February 9, 2011 at 7:20 PM

ernesto on February 9, 2011 at 7:16 PM

American citizens are affected by the defense of this country, even if they don’t give a damn about this counry. Tell me how every American citizen, who don’t give a damn about this country, is affected by science, the arts, and the poor.

ladyingray on February 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM

American citizens are affected by the defense of this country,

ladyingray on February 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. Face it: you can’t argue for constitutionally limited government only some of the time. Either constitutional limitations are absolute or they aren’t. I’m willing to entertain the notion that they are, in fact, absolute. That would require, however, an end to or declaration of our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; an end to the PATRIOT act; an end to the DEA; an end to the federal DOJ; an end to food and energy subsidies; etc. etc. No Tea Partier will propose such cuts, because the Tea Party isn’t about constitutional government – it’s about taking what little tax dollars go to the poor, the arts, or science, and giving it back to the rich.

ernesto on February 9, 2011 at 7:27 PM

I could go for an end to wars that achieve nothing, the patriot act, and welfare subsidies. Bring it on.

paulsur on February 9, 2011 at 7:40 PM

I’m willing to entertain the notion that they are, in fact, absolute.

Um, no…..you’re not.

Rovin on February 9, 2011 at 7:40 PM

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