Quotes of the day

posted at 10:55 pm on February 8, 2011 by Allahpundit

“Deepening a rift ahead of the largest annual gathering of conservative activists in Washington this week, some of the movement’s top leaders have circulated a private memo urging that conservatism’s founding principles be recast to exclude gay rights groups from the Reagan coalition of economic, defense and social conservatives.

“The memo, obtained by The Washington Times, was signed by about two dozen leaders, and was released just as the Conservative Political Action Conference is set to begin its most contentious session in years, riven with divisions over a gay rights Republican group that is helping sponsor the conference and the social conservatives who are trying to keep it out…

“But the memo, written under the moniker Conservatives for Unity, argued that there can be no common ground between gay rights conservative activists and social-issues conservatives, and said it’s time to settle the issue.

“‘It is not necessary for each group within a political movement to embrace the full agenda of others. But it is necessary for each group within any coherent movement not to stand in diametrical opposition to one or more of its core principles. It is our conviction that the institution of marriage and the family qualify as such principles,’ said the conservatives.”

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“Tim Pawlenty’s support for blocking the repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ draws a salvo from GOProud’s Chris Barron:

“‘I understand that Pawlenty is trying hard to get people to pay attention to his campaign. Its certainly a challenge for someone with such little stature in the conservative movement to compete with high profile conservative leaders like Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, etc. Unfortunately for Pawlenty, comments like this simply show how totally out-of-touch he is with the issues that rank and file conservatives care about. If he wants to show he is a committed social conservative he would be much better served talking about the need to defund Planned Parenthood, end federal funding for abortion, reign in an out of control judiciary and support for a parents rigths amendment to protect home-schoolers.’”

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“Maybe had the libertarians done a better job of preventing their party from being overrun with libertines — a group of people who couldn’t care less about the size and scope of government as long as their desires for one night stands with a bag of weed and a tranny from 7th and Broadway are unimpeded by government — we wouldn’t be having these issues within the conservative movement.

“The conservative movement, of course, is that part of the center-right coalition that joins libertarians in the desire for smaller government, but actually believes there must be some bit of morality in government. It is, despite the preference of some, separate and distinct from both libertarians and, more so, Republicans…

“In any event, your mileage can vary on where you stand on whether they should be or should not be at CPAC (I’d rather GOProud than the Muslim Brotherhood), but on the issue of GOProud and Tim Pawlenty, your mileage can’t really vary if we’re going to uphold one standard and some basic reciprocity.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty has endorsed the long standing and conservative position of Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell — a position long advocated at CPAC no less. In response, Chris Barron of GOProud is attacking Tim Pawlenty. Pawlenty, by the way, is not ‘boycotting’ CPAC because of GOProud’s presence. He’ll be there.”

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I’m signing off before someone says they like Kajagoogoo.

lexhamfox on February 9, 2011 at 2:39 AM

ROFL..You just never know where these music threads are going!..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 2:42 AM

I’m signing off before someone says they like Kajagoogoo.

lexhamfox on February 9, 2011 at 2:39 AM

man, if had only known that before…

Gohawgs on February 9, 2011 at 2:42 AM

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 2:36 AM

Great song. Something slightly pornographic about them. Bad girls!

Will catch you on the flip side, brother. Good night!

John the Libertarian on February 9, 2011 at 2:43 AM

I didn’t get hooked on Rock/pop until I was in jr. high.
Before that my parents exposed me to folk, big band, classical, klezmer…ragtime…
Thanks to them I not only enjoy different music genres-but I’m slightly knowledgeable about them as well.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 2:45 AM

OK…. here we go. I’m going Space 1999 on you guys….

http://phinnweb.blogspot.com/2009/06/big-jim-sullivan-and-coral-sitar-on.html

lexhamfox on February 9, 2011 at 2:46 AM

Will catch you on the flip side, brother. Good night!

John the Libertarian on February 9, 2011 at 2:43 AM

Later friend..enjoyed it as always..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 2:46 AM

I just had total recall!!!! My apologies in advance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADgCeYJMN4

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 2:50 AM

Back in an hour or so…

Gohawgs on February 9, 2011 at 2:50 AM

That Bieber kid, with his John Edwards hair, is creeping me out…

Gohawgs on February 9, 2011 at 2:40 AM

He did a commericial during the SuperBowl with Ozzy ..I almost fainted..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 2:50 AM

We saw these guys at Oz Fest in ’98.
Their performance was… unique

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 2:51 AM

Has Cindy’s account been hijacked?

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 2:51 AM

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 2:50 AM

I wanted to see that, was it any good? I love Ozzy but he really is a walking talking anti-drug ad.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 2:53 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 2:51 AM

I know the guy that does Squidwart’s (sp?) voice…

Gohawgs on February 9, 2011 at 2:53 AM

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 2:51 AM

Cindy who?

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 2:53 AM

We saw these guys at Oz Fest in ’98.
Their performance was… unique

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 2:51 AM

Not a huge Rammstein fan… Um, Mein Teil makes me ill (no, I’m not linking). I did like the word play with Du Hast

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 2:54 AM

D.S.

I saw that ad…Wish it had been one I missed…

Gohawgs on February 9, 2011 at 2:54 AM

Cindy who?

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 2:53 AM

Uh oh…

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 2:55 AM

Let’s try again…

Gohawgs on February 9, 2011 at 2:34 AM

This is your bwain on SuperTramp!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaW2_LMEEz8

Don’t forget your books and know you’ve got to learn the golden rule.

Don’t be out too late and don’t let it get too dark…

Geochelone on February 9, 2011 at 2:56 AM

Not a huge Rammstein fan… Um, Mein Teil makes me ill (no, I’m not linking). I did like the word play with Du Hast

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 2:54 AM

They were the closing act and were on stage simulating things with poles and hoses. Most of the music-goers were drunk/drugged out of their minds(not us) and were setting thing on fire.
Like I said…unique.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 2:57 AM

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 2:41 AM

I know most of the Backstreet Boys songs..My Daughter was really into them..I think this is a classic..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 2:57 AM

D.S.

I saw that ad…Wish it had been one I missed…

Gohawgs on February 9, 2011 at 2:54 AM

Did I not tell you that if you continued you’d hurt her feelings.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 2:58 AM

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 2:55 AM

What? You’re scaring me?

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 2:58 AM

What? You’re scaring me?

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 2:58 AM

He scares everyone.*ducks*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 2:59 AM

Folks, I appear to be fully awake, a condition necessary to watch Red Eye. Wish me luck.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 3:00 AM

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 2:53 AM

Here is the Commercial you asked for..:)

PS..I am with Gohawgs I can’t watch..I might black out!..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 3:01 AM

http://phinnweb.blogspot.com/2009/06/big-jim-sullivan-and-coral-sitar-on.html

lexhamfox on February 9, 2011 at 2:46 AM

That was interesting..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 3:02 AM

What? You’re scaring me?

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 2:58 AM

He scares everyone.*ducks*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 2:59 AM

Yeah, it goes with the name.

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 3:03 AM

Yes, Cindy, it is time for RedEye

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 3:04 AM

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 3:03 AM

I don’t know what OC is going to think when he wakes up to this..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 3:05 AM

I don’t know what OC is going to think when he wakes up to this..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 3:05 AM

ha

MeatHeadinCA on February 9, 2011 at 3:06 AM

We’ve had music-now how about some literature.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 3:08 AM

Geochelone on February 9, 2011 at 2:56 AM

Sumper Tramp was/is very cool!..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 3:14 AM

Sumper Tramp was/is very cool!..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 3:14 AM
“Sumper Tramp”?

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 3:16 AM

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 2:57 AM

I don’t know, remember or have blacked out any memory of their work.

As for the Ad, yeah, not funny and reinforces my anti-drug theory about Ozzy.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 3:23 AM

Don’t wanna know, don’t really care.

Kini on February 9, 2011 at 3:25 AM

This isn’t that difficult. There are two positions that are tenable within the conservative movement.

1. Marriage is a state issue. Californians and Alabamans both get to choose how they define marriage within their state. The federal government recognizes each state’s stance on marriage.

2. Government is not involved in marriage whatsoever because it recognizes it as a religious institution protected by the 1st Amendment. Taxes and government services are equalized between married and single people.

Pick one. E

cpaulus on February 9, 2011 at 3:28 AM

Super Tramp was/is very cool!..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 3:14 AM
“Sumper Tramp”?

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 3:16 AM

Sorry for the typo!..I’ll try to do better!..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 3:54 AM

I don’t know, remember or have blacked out any memory of their work.

As for the Ad, yeah, not funny and reinforces my anti-drug theory about Ozzy.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 3:23 AM

I agree on the anti-drugs and Ozzy..:)

PS..I am glad you were able to blank your memory..Sometimes I wish I could..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 3:57 AM

Good night, Cuties! See ya tomorrow. Sweet dreams.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 4:01 AM

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 4:01 AM

Later!..Enjoyed it as always..:)

Dire Straits on February 9, 2011 at 4:05 AM

Crazy how we have this anti traditional religion movement that uses the desires of one percent of the population as a weapon to destroy the first amendment.

PrezHussein on February 9, 2011 at 4:16 AM

INC on February 9, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Well, if anything, at least the mask was finally ripped off Grubby Norquist. I’ve known him to be a fake in his conservativism for quite some time.

I hope everyone here who defended GOProud’s participation (and that includes SP) are proud of themseelves now that Barron has gone around calling highly respected conservatives the names he has. See what happens when you defend groups like this? They make you look stooooooopid in the end.

Told ya so.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 5:15 AM

True_King on February 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Like I said, I hope everyone who defended this filth is proud of themselves. They’re the losers for wearing rose-colored glasses and keeping their heads in the sand whe it comes to groups like GOProud! Fools, the lot of them.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 5:17 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM

Glad you’re “re-thinking”, but I knew this all along.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 5:20 AM

Gohawgs on February 9, 2011 at 12:55 AM

Cool! As a Cubbies fan and a Ferris fan, this was neat!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 5:25 AM

Libertarians tend to believe one of two things about gay “marriage.” Either they believe that gay marriage ought to be recognized by the government, which paradoxically increases the size of the government, or they argue that the government “ought to get out of the marriage business altogether” – which is more consistent with their libertarian beliefs but on the whole is a much, much worse idea (for reasons that are beyond the purview of this post). In either case they are advocating for a fundamental reordering of society because of a blind and faithless belief in the all-curing power of egalitarianism, which is the most liberal action a person can possibly support.

INC on February 9, 2011 at 1:10 AM

Too bad these are the views of the two liberal bloggers of this site.

PrezHussein on February 9, 2011 at 5:51 AM

argued that there can be no common ground between gay rights conservative activists and social-issues conservatives

until so-called “gay conservatives” give up pushing the liberal/leftist post modern gay agenda. I have said all along that goproud is just a front to attack the republicans and the conservative movement internally. Divide and conquer. A true conservative doesn’t push his or her personal sexual preferences on society. Dignity is a conservative trait and basing your entire identity by what you do with your genitals or someone elses is not dignified.

peacenprosperity on February 9, 2011 at 6:40 AM

Maybe had the libertarians done a better job of preventing their party from being overrun with libertines — a group of people who couldn’t care less about the size and scope of government as long as their desires for one night stands with a bag of weed and a tranny from 7th and Broadway are unimpeded by government — we wouldn’t be having these issues within the conservative movement.

ROFL…..Ouch! That’s good.

ddrintn on February 9, 2011 at 6:51 AM

My two cents:

The US joined forces with the USSR to defeat the Nazis. With them out of the way, we fought a decades-long cold war with our former allies. So, if we need to partner with a bunch of gays to defeat the progressives, I have no problem with it. I’m a SoCon, but I agree with Barron: Marriage is an issue for the states, and preferably for the people of those states, not the judges. Once we roll back the New Deal, we can talk about whether gays get to marry and where.

Also, I can’t recall any anti-abortion groups boycotting CPAC when conservatives like Rudy Giuliani were there. The fact is that while there are a few big-government conservatives and some isolationists, the biggest divisions within the conservative movement are over social policies like abortion and gay rights.

Kafir on February 9, 2011 at 8:14 AM

Kafir on February 9, 2011 at 8:14 AM

You do realize that marriage is a contract and that once one state recognizes it all states will have to?

Also, just exactly how many gays are going to vote GOP so that we can defeat progrsseives? Are those potential votes really worth getting if we lose millions of others? And do you really, really think that groups like GOProud who work hand in hand with the SEIU is the kind of gay group the GOP should be working with?? Check out INC’s links here and in the other recent threads so that you can see just who the GOProud is in bed with before you start saying how wonderful it is that CPAC is invloved with them.

This is infiltration pure and simple.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 8:30 AM

I’ve been a free speech proponent but I have to admit I’m unhappy. I know twelve years old kids who behave better than this.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 8:59 AM

You do realize that marriage is a contract and that once one state recognizes it all states will have to?

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 8:30 AM

The Defense Of Marriage Act prevents that situation by making an exception to that rule for marriage. Otherwise, we would have all had to do it when Massachusetts did.

Perhaps there is something there with regard to GOProud and the SEIU, however my point is that we are not yet in a position to start tossing people out of the tent.

Kafir on February 9, 2011 at 9:04 AM

I quite enjoyed Erickson’s article. I have never seen the issue framed quite like that. I had always just assumed that GOProud, being a “conservative organization” actually had some “conservative” bona fides.

29Victor on February 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM

29Victor on February 9, 2011 at 9:56 AM

If they do, they are keeping it securely hidden behind the mask of an overly emotional twelve year old girl.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM

Glad you’re “re-thinking”, but I knew this all along.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 5:20 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM

Glad you’re “re-thinking”, but I knew this all along.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 5:20 AM

I’d appreciate it if you’d lose the superiority complex.
I STILL think that GOProud has a place at CPAC. I prefer a big-tent conservatism to a small-tent one. However, GoProud is doing itself no favors by having an idiot like Chris Baron as it’s director/public face.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 11:19 AM

But Christopher Barron, chairman of GOProud‘s board, said the boycott has been “a complete and total unmitigated disaster for the boycotters.”

“These are people who have been treated like clowns for years,” he said. “They’re not relevant, they haven’t been relevant, and it’s a disservice to the conservative movement to pretend that their boycott, their non-participation, is somehow symptomatic of a wider split in the conservative movement.”

This AND the Pawlenty crack? Does this idiot have any clue when to shut his big trap? I got an idea. Don’t ban GOProud. Just Ban Chris Barron. Idiot.

Rocks on February 9, 2011 at 11:33 AM

The libertines attempting to subvert the conservative movement have an allegiance to a radical social agenda. Good riddance.

wraithby on February 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM

How many of you big tenters would eat a brownie that has just a little piece of cr@p in it? That little piece contaminates the whole thing. This is no different. I tried the attitude of let them participate and articulte what they want but some posters here have provided info that is not refutable regarding GOProud and their stealth liberal agenda. They are a Leftist front group trying to infiltrate a conservative group in order to change it from within.

I disagree with Sarah on this now. Either she does not know who this group is and what it expouses or she does and is wrong.

Some one should tell Mr. Barron that he has gotten a little full of himself and a bunch of moderate conservatives liking him at CPAC doesn’t mean the majority of conservatives do. HE should also remember that one gets more flies with honey than with vinegar.

CCRWM on February 9, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Let’s get on board with great “conservatives” like Larry O’Donnell and weasel Barron to build a strong conservative movement. Give me a break.

vilebody on February 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

I also wonder why doesn’t GOProud try to get Democrats, the party which already accepts their pro gay marriage agenda, to lower taxes, reduce the size of government and reduce the debt? I think it’s because they know they have the Democrats and now they are trying to make inroads with Republicans so that they can make their agenda succeed.

CCRWM on February 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

And Mr. Barron the voters in CA overwhelmingly rejected gay marriage after it was foisted upon us by activist judges…guess what the response of gay activist was? To sue us to oveturn the will of the people! Has Mr. Barron come out agaisnt the gay activist for doing this? NO

CCRWM on February 9, 2011 at 12:40 PM

I prefer a big-tent conservatism

That is just the dumbest phrase. Is there any such thing as a big tent vegan restaurant? They sell steaks, pork and chicken too? Hey dummy faux-conservatives, there are those who are conservatives and those who aren’t. Since the republican party has no direction or core philosophy maybe you can have a big tent republican party that will give the country mccain, grahm, scott brown and the bushes but you are either a conservative or you are not. Defining yourself by how you gratify yourself is not a conservative trait, being pro-abortion is not a conservative trait, believing in affirmative action is not a conservative trait and believing illegal aliens should be rewarded for successfully breaking the law is not a conservative trait. If you believe in those things you can be a republican but you are not a conservative. cpac is no longer controlled by conservatives if it is inviting people with those beliefs, it has been taken over by squishy republicans.

peacenprosperity on February 9, 2011 at 2:40 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2011 at 11:19 AM

What complex? I really am superior ;) I also am a loathesome birther.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 6:40 PM

I would also add that everyone here who defended the GOProud were pretty damned superior in their posts, too. What’s good for the goose and all that.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Don’t confuse the support of the First Amendment to support of GOProud.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM

Cindy, and don’t confuse a private organization like CPAC with infringing on the 1st Amendment if GOProud hadn’t invited to speak there. Which is what a lot of supporters here have said. It’s illogical to think that those of us who don’t want GOProud at CPAC are infringing on free speech. We weren’t saying they couldn’t speak anywhere, we were saying just not there. Freedom works both ways and true conservatives have the freedom to say they thought it was disgusting to let them in.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Aslans Girl on February 9, 2011 at 8:41 PM

If CPAC had chosen not to invite GOProud, I would have stood by their right to associate with whomever they like. The odd thing about all of this, I don’t normally think comments of different views change anyone’s mind. But this man’s pettiness and insulting behavior has done more to harden my views against their obvious agenda than anything anyone has said for or against them. And as much as I like Andrew Brietbart and admire his work, I think his “in your face” stance on this invitation has been counterproductive. I do understand those who decided to boycott won’t be there, I will miss their voices.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2011 at 9:29 PM

So the links that INC found btw GOProud and the SEIU and NOW didn’t affect you at all? I like learning from my fellow posters here.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 10, 2011 at 8:53 AM

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