Dick Lugar to tea party on START: Get real

posted at 4:56 pm on February 8, 2011 by Allahpundit

I wonder what his strategy is. Orrin Hatch is so nervous about a tea-party primary challenge that he’s now inviting himself to TP town-hall meetings to gladhand people. Lugar, meanwhile, is practically daring them to bring it on.

Only one thing is certain, my friends: If he wins in the primary, he’s a lock to keynote RINOcon.

Among other criticisms, Tea Party activists have taken Lugar to task for supporting the new START nuclear arms treaty with Russia, claiming the U.S. is giving up too much and Russia is not giving up enough.

“I’ve been working systematically for 20 years going to Russia trying to help direct a situation in which we’re taking warheads off of missiles every day, destroying missiles that were aimed at us; destroying submarines that carried misslies up and down our coast,” said Lugar. “I’ve got to say ‘Get real’. I hear Tea Party or other people talking about they were against START. I said ‘Well, now, hang on here.’”…

The senator was also ready with a retort for those who’ve laid into him for confirming President Obama’s Supreme Court nominees. Lugar said he looks at a nominee’s character and professional qualifications in order to avoid creating a polarizing atmosphere.

“I hope people sort of understand that because otherwise we polarize the Supreme Court business to a point that conservative justices offered by a conservative Republican president -who’ll be elected at some point- are going to have trouble,” said Lugar.

Note how, near the end of the clip, he refuses to rule out an independent run. Indiana has a “sore-loser law,” so he won’t be able to pull a Lieberman and run as an indie if he competes in the GOP primary and ends up losing. He’d have to pull out of the primary and turn independent beforehand, a la Charlie Crist. He probably couldn’t pull a Murkowski either and win via a write-in campaign: Granted, after 30+ years in the Senate, his name recognition in Indiana is sky-high, but Murky had the advantage of running in a state with a tiny electorate, making a critical mass of write-in votes easier to achieve. So presumably, if early polls show a tight primary shaping up, he’ll quit the party ASAP and recast himself as an independent in order to give the public time to get comfortable with the idea and make it seem less like he’s being opportunistic.

And … he’d probably win, no? A recent internal poll showed his favorable rating at 66/19. In his last Senate race in 2006, which ended up being a huge Democratic year, he won with 87 percent of the vote after the state Dems didn’t bother to put forward a candidate. He doesn’t have the disadvantage Bob Bennett had in Utah either, where Republican primary voters could rest easy knowing that whoever they nominated was a cinch to win the general. Obama won Indiana in 2008 and will be at the top of the ticket in 2012, which means Democrats surely will field a viable candidate this time in hopes of capitalizing on a GOP split between Lugar and the tea-party candidate. Under those circumstances, won’t most Indiana Republicans vote strategically and line up behind a guy they know and trust rather than risk a schism that turns the seat blue?

Lugar to Tea Party: “Get real.”: wane.com


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Tea Party to Dick Lugar: Get Lost.

Rocks on February 8, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Start making the name “Lugar” synonymous with Obama’s regime of Change.

If Bennett in Utah got ousted, than nobody is safe.

NOBODY.

portlandon on February 8, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Let’s face it…..Lugar HAS TO GO!!

This idiot is completely out of touch with reality

alwyr on February 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Under those circumstances, won’t most Indiana Republicans vote strategically and line up behind a guy they know and trust rather than risk a schism that turns the seat blue?

I doubt it. If he at least kept his mouth shut, maybe that would happen. But constantly taunting Tea Partiers is not exactly a safe route to reelection. And Indiana is a fairly red state. Not Utah, mind you. But it also ain’t Delaware. Conservatives and Tea Partiers will be more than happy to take their chances with a more reliably right-leaning candidate than this chump. And they’re starting the search now so we’re not stuck with another Christine O’Donnell or Sharron Angle incident.

Doughboy on February 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM

I thought Lugar retired.

Hopefully the Indiana voters will do it for him.

No doubt AP. Lugar is a lock for keynote speaker at RINOcon.

Hell, probably more so if he loses a primary.

chief on February 8, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Well maybe Indianans are so out of the loop they would re-elect this guy no matter what, but I wonder given everything that has transpired since O’s election. Luger is just another RINO zombie leftover and will be gone relatively soon anyway. Does Luger=Graham=McCain in the sense that the state GOP is so corrupt that they put these 5th columnists on the ballot despite their perfidies? I hope not.

JimP on February 8, 2011 at 5:05 PM

“I hope people sort of understand that because otherwise we polarize the Supreme Court business to a point that conservative justices offered by a conservative Republican president -who’ll be elected at some point- are going to have trouble,” said Lugar.

Because far-leftists now won’t stand in the way of conservative judges when nominated by a conservative president? Delusional man.

amerpundit on February 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Correction: I misspelled Lugar. I reflexively spelled it like the 9mm handgun. The one that can use the 5,527 round ‘clip’./sarc

JimP on February 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM

I am in Indiana, and I am active in the TEA Party, and I can tell you this. Luger is toast.

MikeA on February 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM

wow.. just wow. get Real is going to be used.. over and over.

upinak on February 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM

“I hope people sort of understand that because otherwise we polarize the Supreme Court business to a point that conservative justices offered by a conservative Republican president -who’ll be elected at some point- are going to have trouble,” said Lugar.

Come on, that would never happen………….
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Vashta.Nerada on February 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM

The trash heap is eager for your arrival, Lugar.

Demosthenes on February 8, 2011 at 5:08 PM

REAL TALK.

Proud Rino on February 8, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Watching that video I was reminded of this verse from the book of Romans: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

flyfisher on February 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Or, he knows he is toast…

d1carter on February 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I haven’t paid much attention to this fight, or Lugar for that matter, but I’m thinking the TP is fighting on the wrong hill here. I’m not saying Lugar shouldn’t be primaried, but this ought to be fought on “Stop the Spending” grounds if he’s not a good satisfactory candidate.

What is his position on “Stop the Spending”!

Dusty on February 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Incontinent men were not in the minds of the framers, from either side of the isle.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Well maybe Indianans are so out of the loop they would re-elect this guy no matter what, but I wonder given everything that has transpired since O’s election.

JimP on February 8, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Maybe the GOP establishment(not to mention Lugar himself) believes that, but they’re playing with fire. I do think the Tea Party will become more pragmatic after Nevada and Delaware. They may back off of a Scott Brown in a deep blue state like MassachusettEs. But RINOs like Graham, Lugar, and Hatch in solid red states are top targets for Tea Partiers. If they’re taken out in the primary, there’s a very good chance whoever the Republican nominee is will go on to win the seat.

Doughboy on February 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Senator Lugar – Do the names: Robert Bork, Priscilla Owen, Charles W. Pickering, Carolyn Kuhl, David W. McKeague, Henry Saad, Richard Allen Griffin, William H. Pryor, William Gerry Myers III and Janice Rogers Brown ring any bells?

Vashta.Nerada on February 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM

This is Indiana. Every thing said above about Lugar could have been said about Birch Bayh (Evan’s dad) in 1979. Bayh a LONG TIME, very popular, Ind. Senator went on to get creamed by Dan Quayle in 1980 as part of the conservative backlash (Ind. is a very conservative state) agaist Carter. 2012 is an identical environment. If a young, attractive conservative candidate presents himself Lugar will be in the race of his life and would probably lose.

tommyboy on February 8, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Lugar has broad and deep support throughout the Indiana Republican organization, from the governor’s office on down. Any Republican choosing to primary Lugar will be burning a lot of bridges between himself and the state party apparatus. I don’t see any top level Republicans lining up for the chance.

Lugar believes he has enough appeal to moderates and independents and moderate-leaning Democrats that he can ignore the core conservatives he has been angering for years. He can’t get them back now, and he doesn’t need them anyway.

I think we’re stuck with him.

novaculus on February 8, 2011 at 5:12 PM

portlandon, it always depends on who is backing whom in Utah.

The Republican establishment in Utah will work overtime to convince voters to re-elect their pork agent Hatch in these dire economic times.

So how active is the Tea Party in Utah? It isn’t as if they’ve made national waves over the past couple of years protesting Hatch up to this point. But then, I don’t follow the Deseret News. And the MSM wouldn’t carry the story as it occurs. So who from Utah is going to spill the Hatch popularity beans for us?

maverick muse on February 8, 2011 at 5:12 PM

You folks have forgotten that these ass-hats that are taking up valuable real estate in DC and consuming oxygen that other people could use, believe that once they get there the seat is their property for life, e.g., Ted Kennedy.

This sorry excuse for a rational thinking being needs to retire, immediately if not sooner.

belad on February 8, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Old and in the way!!!!

Gob on February 8, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Start making the name “Lugar” synonymous with Obama’s regime of Change.

If Bennett in Utah got ousted, than nobody is safe.

NOBODY.

[portlandon on February 8, 2011 at 5:02 PM]

It’s a little hazy but, IIRC, Bennett lost in the caucus and therefore didn’t get the R line. I don’t think it’s a good comparison to Lugar, if it is just toe-toe primaring. Is Indiana a closed primary?

Dusty on February 8, 2011 at 5:17 PM

So long Senator Loogey!

pugwriter on February 8, 2011 at 5:17 PM

Come ON people!! Dick Lugar has been a servant of the people for decades!!! He’s been IN Washinton FOR us for DECADES, doing things and making deals, and compromising and allowing himself to be coopted, and becoming a monolithic squish FOR US!
Ok, lets get rid of his ass. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

44Magnum on February 8, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Lugar’s problem is that he thinks he’s invincible. So did Barry just before last November’s election.

Dickless Lugar has evidently forgotten about that.

GarandFan on February 8, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Why do they need Hatch in Utah? Anyone ever heard of Christine Blum? I would check her out .. people of Utah!

upinak on February 8, 2011 at 5:23 PM

People usually like their own guy, especially when they get all old and “distinguished”.

Cindy Munford on February 8, 2011 at 5:23 PM

The rest of the losers at ‘No Labels’ have probably got his walker and jello cup all ready for him.

BigWyo on February 8, 2011 at 5:23 PM

[Dusty on February 8, 2011 at 5:17 PM]

Sorry, was a state convention where Bennett lost the R line. He could have gone write-in but declined. Tea Partiers had stacked the state convention.

Dusty on February 8, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Who cares what RINO Dick Lugy says!

MCGIRV on February 8, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Screw U Luger, nuff said.

bernzright777 on February 8, 2011 at 5:28 PM

A true fossil fool.

rrpjr on February 8, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Hatch woos Tea Party Express

The Tea Party Express is a political action committee that supported Republican candidates such as Christine O’Donnell during the 2010 election cycle.

Interesting back-story: Hatch and Tea Party Express strategist Sal Russo are good friends. Last month, National Review Online attributed the following quotation to Russo:

“In 1976, when I was scouring the country trying to find people to stand up for Ronald Reagan, there were not very many in the Republican party that would, especially with the president being (Gerald) Ford. Orrin Hatch, however, stood up and was our state chairman. He is somebody who has been willing to stand up for a long time. … I think he was an original tea partier. He has been talking about our issues from the beginning. Orrin is a Reagan conservative, as far as I’m concerned, and that’s as good as it gets.”

See what I mean?

As if Reagan believed in importing cheap skilled foreign labor so as to displace American citizens from the work force. That’s a Hatch centerpiece.

maverick muse on February 8, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I don’t know that many Tea Party people that really care about Start. Most of them are concerned with fiscal issues. In fact some of the libertarians are not all that hawkish.

Lugar will be hard to beat here in Indiana. He has a high approval rating and the last time he ran he got over 80% of the vote. Now if someone with a lot of name recognition like Pence primaried him, that might be different. But most Hoosiers are not going to give him the boot over Start. Lugar has been working on these treaties for years and so far Hoosiers have not cared much one way or the other about this particular issue.

Terrye on February 8, 2011 at 5:30 PM

I do believe he has overstayed 12 years of public service… Time to send him Back Home Again in Indiana.

Fallon on February 8, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Under those circumstances, won’t most Indiana Republicans vote strategically and line up behind a guy they know and trust rather than risk a schism that turns the seat blue?

Silly Allah. Voting strategically is for unprincipled RINOs. TRUE cons always support the most conservative candidate, ESPECIALLY if they’re unelectable.

Vyce on February 8, 2011 at 5:36 PM

The Russians are still threatening to walk over defensive missiles…….way to go DICK!

dmann on February 8, 2011 at 5:36 PM

Lugar to Tea Party: Get real
Tea Party to Lugar: Get Lost!

ConservativePartyNow on February 8, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Teas to Lugar: Get stuffed.

rightwingyahooo on February 8, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Under those circumstances, won’t most Indiana Republicans vote strategically and line up behind a guy they know and trust rather than risk a schism that turns the seat blue?

Silly Allah. Voting strategically is for unprincipled RINOs. TRUE cons always support the most conservative candidate, ESPECIALLY if they’re unelectable.

Vyce on February 8, 2011 at 5:36 PM

I am not so sure about that. Coats won his primary and the Tea Party did not want him. I think Lugar’s bigger problem with Indiana voters will be his age.

Terrye on February 8, 2011 at 5:44 PM

START reminds me of the Kittomer accords wherein the Federation promised never to develop or use cloaking technology, but the Klingons were expressly permitted to pursue the technology.
Whatever idiot signed that on behalf of the federation needed to be dumped on Rura Penthe for the rest of his life…

redshirt on February 8, 2011 at 5:46 PM

NO RINO’s .. Period….

Honesty is the only way to government, if you want to be a democrat, be a democrat dont hide yourself behind the R banner….

the_ancient on February 8, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Lugar believes he has enough appeal to moderates and independents and moderate-leaning Democrats that he can ignore the core conservatives he has been angering for years. He can’t get them back now, and he doesn’t need them anyway.

The contribution of Lugar to this country’s national security can’t by underestimated. His work to rid former USSR nations of nuclear weapons is crucial to preventing nuclear material from terrorists’ hands. And he’s doing the right thing by ignoring the voices of ignorance who don’t comprehend the incredible danger posed by weapons in the arsenal of a country as corrupt as Russia.

Lugar is trusted by the people of Indiana as a first-rate expert on national security and isn’t widely questioned by people following demagogic nonsense from the far right.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/nuclear-wikileaks/8297089/ALLEGED-NUCLEAR-SMUGGLING-INCIDENT-AT-THE-RUSSIA-KAZAKHSTAN-BORDER.html

bayam on February 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Supporting the new incarnation of START doesn’t make a RINO. I’ve seen the Tea Party objections to START and they seem conjured rather than material. I would understand the antipathy better if this is part of range of policy differences with the wider conservative agenda but getting in a lather over START seems odd.

lexhamfox on February 8, 2011 at 5:57 PM

START isn’t the only problem we have with Lugar. He voted for unqualified supreme court candidates just to avoid rocking the boat, and hasn’t supported anything which requires a principled stand in years. I will be doing everything in my power to help operation Lugar punt succeed.

Sgtmack on February 8, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Dick is a useful idiot for the Socialists. Time for him to go.

HondaV65 on February 8, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Senator Lugar – Do the names: Robert Bork, Priscilla Owen, Charles W. Pickering, Carolyn Kuhl, David W. McKeague, Henry Saad, Richard Allen Griffin, William H. Pryor, William Gerry Myers III and Janice Rogers Brown ring any bells?

Vashta.Nerada on February 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM

No kidding. How can this idiot say what he said? What a tool.

strictnein on February 8, 2011 at 5:59 PM

bayam on February 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I’ll hold my judgment on that until he wins another reelection campaign – IF he ever does.

HondaV65 on February 8, 2011 at 5:59 PM

“I hope people sort of understand that because otherwise we polarize the Supreme Court business to a point that conservative justices offered by a conservative Republican president -who’ll be elected at some point- are going to have trouble,” said Lugar.

This is why he needs a Tea Party primary opponent, he’s been in a coma since before the Bork hearings. And he said this to ted kennedy,”As I watched the vigor and passion of your work, day to day, I know that I have a good mentor in discovering a great way to proceed in the post-10,000 vote aftermath”.

Get rid of the bum.

peacenprosperity on February 8, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Lugar believes he has enough appeal to moderates and independents and moderate-leaning Democrats that he can ignore the core conservatives he has been angering for years. He can’t get them back now, and he doesn’t need them anyway.

I think we’re stuck with him.

novaculus

you mean he can be more honest than most pols and still appeal to people because he’s garnered respect or something?

or is just that most folks want to have a moderate person represent them in the Senate?

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Wait a second, I forgot, who won the Cold War?

Oh yeah, us…

Hey Dick! We won, they lost, they (and you) do what we say, got it? Stupid jackhole RINOs like you would have prevented Reagan from bringing an end to the USSR horror show if we had played the game YOUR way, so sit the f*** down and shut up.

Geministorm on February 8, 2011 at 6:06 PM

“I’ve been working systematically for 20 years going to Russia…destroying submarines that carried misslies up and down our coast,” said Lugar

Reagan did that by bankrupting the Soviet Union.

southsideironworks on February 8, 2011 at 6:09 PM

“I hope people sort of understand that because otherwise we polarize the Supreme Court business to a point that conservative justices offered by a conservative Republican president -who’ll be elected at some point- are going to have trouble,” said Lugar.

Wake up Dick, the other guys don’t EVER return the courtesy.

It is precisely this frame of mind that is going to get him primaried. He’s been there too long, I voted for him in 1976 and he (overall) has been a commendable Senator but he is unaware of current events.

He thinks he’s in safe territory, but I’ve got news for him, there’s a lot of us pissed off hoosiers and he’s not listening.

Tim Zank on February 8, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Stupid jackhole RINOs like you would have prevented Reagan from bringing an end to the USSR horror show if we had played the game YOUR way, so sit the f*** down and shut up.

Geministorm

something for you to read,,,,, maybe shut your own a## a minute.

Reagan Urged to Uphold Sanctions : Sen. Lugar Predicts That Congress Would Override Veto
September 24, 1986|SARA FRITZ | Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — President Reagan will be passing up a chance to be “on the right side of history” if, as expected, he vetoes legislation imposing additional sanctions on South Africa, the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Tuesday.

Sen. Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), a longtime Reagan loyalist whose leadership on the sanctions issue has put him at odds with the White House, told reporters that he expects the President to veto the bill later this week, and he predicted that Congress would override the veto.

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:15 PM

He’s senile. Who’s he walking with in the B&W photo? Is that Sam Nunn?

Ward Cleaver on February 8, 2011 at 6:18 PM

he’s playing off an old script. Pre-Bork, Pre-Thomas.

If he is smart he’ll be able to articulate a rationale for his positions…as opposed to just asserting that he’s right and the tea party is wrong

Reagan wanted nukes to be gone…so there’s an argument to be made. But you have to make it in the right frame, in the right context…not people are stupid. The MAD strategy has worked for a long long time. Aside from the fact that Iran, NK, Chi.coms, Pak, etc. etc. have/will have nukes, how does that change the calculus of SMART

Besides…there are a lot of other issues with the START that he ignores. Sloppy, sloppy Dick…get your game up

r keller on February 8, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Is that Sam Nunn?

yes.

Ted Torgerson on February 8, 2011 at 6:21 PM

Lugar is trusted by the people of Indiana as a first-rate expert on national security and isn’t widely questioned by people following demagogic nonsense from the far right.

bayam on February 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Speak for yourself. If you are a hoosier you must be from the extreme northwest.

Tim Zank on February 8, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Speak for yourself. If you are a hoosier you must be from the extreme northwest.

Tim Zank

Yup only a northwest extremist could trust and respect a moderate right-wing Senator who has proven himself over the course of decades.

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Lugar is trusted by the people of Indiana as a first-rate expert on national security and isn’t widely questioned by people following demagogic nonsense from the far right.

bayam on February 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Joe Biden was considered an expert on foreign policy by his constituents too. Are you saying that the people of Indiana are as stoopid as the folks in Delaware?

darwin-t on February 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Yup only a northwest extremist could trust and respect a moderate right-wing Senator who has proven himself over the course of decades.

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:26 PM

disqualifier

darwin-t on February 8, 2011 at 6:29 PM

START reminds me of the Kittomer accords wherein the Federation promised never to develop or use cloaking technology, but the Klingons were expressly permitted to pursue the technology.
Whatever idiot signed that on behalf of the federation needed to be dumped on Rura Penthe for the rest of his life…

redshirt on February 8, 2011 at 5:46 PM

I can’t believe I’m correcting this :-)

The Treaty of Algeron, not the Kittomer Accords…if we’re going to be geeky let’s us at least be correctly geeky :-)

yakyak on February 8, 2011 at 6:29 PM

I’m a hoosier and he’s not getting my vote.

dforston on February 8, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Hey Dickey, Your time is up.

devolvingtowardsidiocracy on February 8, 2011 at 6:34 PM

If Rubio can win Florida over the once popular Charlie Crist, then a good candidate in a redder state like Indiana can beat Lugar in the same fashion.

Daemonocracy on February 8, 2011 at 6:34 PM

bayam on February 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Lugar is the best senator for Indiana like Geithner is the best Treasury Secretary for America. This Hoosier is tired of that pompous, fossilized RINO. Pence would be a fine replacement.

SKYFOX on February 8, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Secretary of stae Richard Mourdock is lugars challenger. Yes we will be voting for Mourdock. Lugars is a out of touch beltway creature. he is very arrogant. Remember no one has ever challenged Lugar on issues like illegal immigration and other liberal policies this man has. He will be hard to beat though Hoosiers tend to vote for who they know and all the states big papers will line up behind tricky Dick calling him ” avoice of reason”

PTN 39 on February 8, 2011 at 6:38 PM

I’m a hoosier and he’s not getting my vote.

dforston

has Lugar been reelected by narrow margins or is

Senator Richard Lugar was re-elected with 87% of the vote in 2006

a pretty fair indication that Lugar and most people in Indiana disagree with you.

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:40 PM

over the course of decades.

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:26 PM

There-in lies the problem. Too many decades. As I mentioned, I voted for him in 76 and every election since. I sincerely like the guy. He has done a good job overall.

I’ll not argue the fine points of his foreign policy expertise, it’s just not enough anymore. His values and actions no longer “jibe” with mine. I’m no longer “in the mood” to be over-run by Democrats and Dick will let them continue to destroy what is left of my country merely by “getting along”.

I don’t want to “get along” anymore. These bast**ds are killing my way of life and especially that of my children.

Nobody needs more than two 6 year terms anymore, it’s a recipe for disaster, look around!

Tim Zank on February 8, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Senator Richard Lugar was re-elected with 87% of the vote in 2006

a pretty fair indication that Lugar and most people in Indiana disagree with you.

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:40 PM

2006 was a lifetime ago in politics, and 2012 is still a long ways off. You’ve never seen a lead “evaporate” before?

Tim Zank on February 8, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Senator Lugar’s chronic RINOism is a sore spot among Indiana Republicans, of which I am one, and I can’t help but feel his popularity ratings are deceptive. I think he’s looking at these numbers and deluding himself an independent run is viable. It isn’t. Right now, as a Republican, Senator Lugar is unbeatable, in my view. If Lugar quits the GOP and runs as an independent–an honest move if nothing else–then he makes himself vulnerable. So far, no GOP primary challenger has emerged with anything approaching the state-wide name recognition needed to win, but things could change if Senator Lugar leaves the reservation. Prominent Indiana Republicans who would never consider a run against a senior and popular GOP incumbent would find the job suddenly fair game if Lugar leaves the party.

Another thing: Indiana went for Obama in the last election because GOP strategists assumed it was a sure win, in the bag, solid red. Meanwhile, no one informed the Democrats about the futility of resistance, who ran an excellent ground game in its GOTV efforts and spent real money on very effective saturation advertising. McCain could have won Indiana, should have won Indiana, but didn’t largely because of state-level GOP and McCain campaign incompetence and miscalculation. They didn’t look, they didn’t listen, they lost.

troyriser_gopftw on February 8, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Lugar is clueless that the GOP has now become the third party and those like him have long outlived their usefulness if they were ever useful at all. The establishment RINOs are worse than democrats because they feel their entitlement for public office outweighs the best interests of the Ameican people.

volsense on February 8, 2011 at 6:47 PM

2006 was a lifetime ago in politics, and 2012 is still a long ways off. You’ve never seen a lead “evaporate” before?

Tim Zank

not one such as that. short of the old saw about what it would take to defeat somebody … “caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy” , Lugar isn’t going to be defeated just by people saying that he’s insufficiently conservative.

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Didn’t the state of Indiana have another senator that was unbeatable too?

volsense on February 8, 2011 at 6:50 PM

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:48 PM

He might, however, be defeated at the polls. by voting. in a democratic republic.

Inanemergencydial on February 8, 2011 at 6:56 PM

The US doesn’t need a treaty with Russia in order to determine our national defense arsenal, whether to maintain, cut or enlarge our defense.

The START treaty with Russia forfeited the US self determination while empowering Russia’s that they do as they will regardless of what we agreed with them.

Regardless of any treaty signed during Obama’s administration in particular, it isn’t as if Russia will observe it.

START is a photo op for corrupt politicians who just sold America down the river.

I don’t know any Libertarian who would support START on the basis of logic. Nor do I know any Tea Party supporter who would forfeit America’s sovereignty for START.

maverick muse on February 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM

Lugar makes the case for voters that in order to empower our nation’s economic viability while functioning according to constitutional first principles, support Rand Paul’s efforts.

maverick muse on February 8, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Go back and look at the photo of this walking colostomy bag. He has truly acheived doddering old fool status and mother nature may call for his replacement before the voters do.

SKYFOX on February 8, 2011 at 7:05 PM

The US doesn’t need a treaty with Russia in order to determine our national defense arsenal, whether to maintain, cut or enlarge our defense.

maverick muse

gee, you think that maybe that’s not the reason why people draw up and sign treaties with other nations??????

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 7:10 PM

He thinks he’s in safe territory, but I’ve got news for him, there’s a lot of us pissed off hoosiers and he’s not listening.

Tim Zank on February 8, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Yup. Thin ice. If we can get a good conservative in the primary, then bye-bye. And I’ve been voting for him since he was mayor of Indy.

IrishEyes on February 8, 2011 at 7:11 PM

maverick muse on February 8, 2011 at 7:01 PM

What appears to fall upon deaf ears is: The Russians lie and of course closer to home, the Democrats lie, it’s painfully obvious. So are we some day going to stop believing them??? Please?????

I quit believing them. I want my Senators to quit believing them as well.

Tim Zank on February 8, 2011 at 7:14 PM

has Lugar been reelected by narrow margins or is

Senator Richard Lugar was re-elected with 87% of the vote in 2006

a pretty fair indication that Lugar and most people in Indiana disagree with you.

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Since can things not change, especially in this political climate? Hopefully Lugar thinks like you and sits back and takes this seat for granted.

Daemonocracy on February 8, 2011 at 7:24 PM

^ since when can things not change*

Daemonocracy on February 8, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Time to send him Back Home Again in Indiana.
Fallon on February 8, 2011 at 5:30 PM

Actually, that is part of the joke about Lugar. Lugar is not interested in representing his Hoosier constituents, and he never comes to IN unless there is money involved.

indypat on February 8, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Since can things not change, especially in this political climate? Hopefully Lugar thinks like you and sits back and takes this seat for granted.

Daemonocracy

A) he tends to do his homework

B) if he loses by speaking truth to extremists, then he has nothing to regret.

C) people at the tail end of 2008 thought that things were set up a certain way but 2010 wasn’t the same as 2008.2012 isn’t going to be the same as 2010. you should prepare for some climate change.
people at the tail end of 2008 thought that things were set up a certain way but 2010 wasn’t the same as 2008.

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 7:52 PM

he loses by speaking truth to extremists

Is that like speaking ‘truth to power’? Who said that anyway? Lugar’s community organizing friend Obama? Valerie Jarrett? Saul Alinsky? All of the above?

indypat on February 8, 2011 at 8:05 PM

indypat

four guesses just to prove that you don’t read and comprehend?

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 8:14 PM

I am in Indiana, and I am active in the TEA Party, and I can tell you this. Luger is toast.

MikeA on February 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM

I live in Indiana and I certainly hope you’re right! He will surely be primaried and I will vote for his opponent.

Lugar must go!

Oink on February 8, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Lugar said he looks at a nominee’s character and professional qualifications in order to avoid creating a polarizing atmosphere.

This illustrates how “out of touch” Lugar is with his constituents. The polarizing atmosphere is nothing new. Hoosiers want a Senator who represents their views, rather than one who taunts and patronizes them.

indypat on February 8, 2011 at 8:50 PM

I am in Indiana, and I am active in the TEA Party, and I can tell you this. Luger is toast.

MikeA on February 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM
I live in Indiana and I certainly hope you’re right! He will surely be primaried and I will vote for his opponent.

Lugar must go!

Oink on February 8, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Count me in fellow hoosiers!

Tim Zank on February 8, 2011 at 8:50 PM

The Treaty of Algeron, not the Kittomer Accords…if we’re going to be geeky let’s us at least be correctly geeky :-)

yakyak on February 8, 2011 at 6:29 PM

I am in error, and bow to your superior knowledge. I even misspelled Khitomer.
I think I just lost a pip.

redshirt on February 8, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Lugar is just another Rhino dumbass. Time for him to retire and let someone who actually has turning around this quickly failing country in mind.

woodNfish on February 8, 2011 at 9:21 PM

From National Review Online…Lugar to receive an award from LULAC. Remind me again who he represents?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/258656/maybe-lugars-retiring-after-all-mark-krikorian

indypat on February 8, 2011 at 9:40 PM

As I stated above Richard Mourdock is already going to challenge senator Lugar in the repub primary. I want this man(Lugar) beat in the worst way but the only way to do it is to have one challenger goin against tricky Dick,if several get involved like the 3 or 4 way race we had here in the repub primary for Bayhs open seat in which Coats won forget it, Dick will win easily and granted he’ll be tough to beat anyway..

PTN 39 on February 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM

PTN 39 on February 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Agreed. Mourdock is a strong challenger. The more Hoosiers learn about his actions related to the sale of Chrysler, the more impressed they will be with his integrity and fiscal responsibility. He has earned our support!

indypat on February 8, 2011 at 10:42 PM

The more Hoosiers learn about his actions related to the sale of Chrysler, the more impressed they will be with his integrity and fiscal responsibility. He has earned our support!

indypat

This what you’re talking about?

Indiana State Treasurer Richard Mourdock, who has filed suit in a New York’s federal court against the arrangement.

“The Chrysler deal is a clear violation of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution and more than 150 years of bankruptcy law,” Mourdock told me. Under the Fifth Amendment, he noted, private property cannot “be taken without due process of law. That clearly has not happened in this case. There has been no process of law consistent with long-standing precedent whatsoever.”

Richard Mourdock’s decision to spend $2 million on a legal effort to recover $6 million that Indiana pension funds lost in the Chrysler bankruptcy proceedings.

He pointed to fees a New York law firm charged ranging from $365 to $1,050 per hour for its work, plus $205 to $295 per hour for paralegals and legal assistants. He also criticized costs such as $23,000 for copies, $7,000 in travel fees and $47,000 for web-based searches.

That money came largely from the state Teachers Retirement Fund, which covered about $1.5 million. The Major Moves road construction fund and a state police retirement fund, which also invested in Chrysler’s debt, covered the rest.

Did Mourdock win the case?

audiculous on February 8, 2011 at 10:58 PM

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