Palin defends GOProud participation at CPAC

posted at 10:12 am on February 7, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

No great surprise here, really; Palin has quietly backed the end of DADT and expressed support for conservative gays and lesbians in the past. Speaking here with David Brody from the Christian Broadcast Network and excerpted by Breitbart TV, Palin doesn’t endorse GOProud but does defend their attendance at CPAC, and argues that the value of events such as CPAC is to debate the issues and provide as much information as possible to attendees:

Well, I’ve never attended a CPAC conference ever so I was a little taken aback this go around when I couldn’t make it to this one either and then there was a speculation well I either agree or disagree with some of the groups or issues that CPAC is discussing. It really is a matter of time for me. But when it comes to and David, perhaps what it is that you’re suggesting in the question is should the GOP, should conservatives not reach out to others, not participate in events or forums that perhaps are rising within those forums are issues that maybe we don’t personally agree with? And I say no, it’s like you being on a panel shoot, with a bunch of the liberal folks whom you have been on and you provide good information and balance, and you allow for healthy debate, which is needed in order for people to gather information and make up their own minds about issues.

I look at participation in an event like CPAC or any other event, along, or kind of in that same vein as the more information that people have, the better.

I’m not sure we’ve polled on this question at all, so this seems like a good time to do so. Should conservatives welcome GOProud, or should they skip CPAC if GOProud participates?


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Here is the letter and it is what it has been described as. And i wonder, who made them the spokemen for us or TEA Partiers? Who are the ones trying ot co-opt the TEA PArty movement for their purposes?

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Their argument seems to flex with their own bad gas, since the issue of bad gas has now been introduced in the comments, up a ways.

They don’t represent the Tea Party, then they’re some “part of it”, then they don’t claim to be, whatever. Their story has changed with their persistent wind.

There appear to be a number of activists who are the Progressives along with the “Gay and Lesbian” bunch who promote CPAC and deploy the tiresome “you’re a hater” nastiness irrationally to and about anyone who makes any sense in exposing who GOProud is. Twitter is rife with their sort of activism, unfortunately, many a person there claiming to be “Conservative” who isn’t and if one mentions opposition to GOProud, you will get a lot of hate tweets and ridicule similar to the Libertarian tastelessness that’s been deployed here by the same.

With particular note as to “Christopher Barron” who is a really nasty jerk. I’d be ashamed to even be in the same room with him.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Mean old lady indeed.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:45

PMWhy,thank you I do try.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 5:48 PM

Hmm could have sworn didn’t ht strike.Damn this key board.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 5:51 PM

That was God correcting you.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM

And giving true piety a bad rap.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Many a psychiatrist and more than a few priests would find your definition of “true peity” interesting. Can you enunciate what you mean by “true piety”, in a form that does not employ anti-social delusions and pettiness in disrespect of the beliefs of others?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:39 PM

You avoided answering that question. Can you? What’s “true piety” in your strike-out world?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:55 PM

This thread is EPIC. It has the Best & Worst of HotAir all rolled into One.

It’s like a Burrito with Alot of Guacamole, but not enough Meat.

portlandon on February 7, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Palin + gays. How could it not turn into an epic thread? :)

DarkCurrent on February 7, 2011 at 5:55 PM

That was God correcting you.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Jesus tap dancing Christ.

MadisonConservative on February 7, 2011 at 5:55 PM

But when it comes to and David, perhaps what it is that you’re suggesting in the question is should the GOP, should conservatives not reach out to others, not participate in events or forums that perhaps are rising within those forums are issues that maybe we don’t personally agree with?

Funny, I agree with this 100%, and still not think that GOProud should ever be considered a prominent group at CPAC. I do not care if they attend, what I care about is whether CPAC is endorsing and promoting socially progressive groups and ideals. The way that CPAC handles the issue is what is the problem, not the fact that we are afraid to debate the issue. The issue is that “Gay marriage” and “Gay Rights” are not and should never even be considered as conservative ideals worth having a platform at a “Conservative Political Action Committee”. If GOProud is invited to attend, is given any prominent role, then it must be with the absolute condition that they are not there to espouse “pro gay rights ideals” or “pro gay marriage ideals” and stick to the conservative platfom as it relates to gays. This is not the case.

And I say no, it’s like you being on a panel shoot, with a bunch of the liberal folks whom you have been on and you provide good information and balance, and you allow for healthy debate, which is needed in order for people to gather information and make up their own minds about issues.

Palin does not even remotely believe what she is saying, which is evidenced by the stammering in the delivery. It is not like a panel, the panel she is talking about is one in which the sides are known and the topic is known. CPAC is supposed to be where conservative values are talked about and worked on in order to ensure they are relevant to the political debates going on in the country today.

I look at participation in an event like CPAC or any other event, along, or kind of in that same vein as the more information that people have, the better.

Yes, and GOProud can find other venues to deliver that information. But, I do not own or control CPAC, so my only option for trying to get CPAC to move back within it’s construct is to voice my opinions and deny it my support.

astonerii on February 7, 2011 at 5:55 PM

That was God correcting you.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM

About what?

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Ignore this heritage at your peril.

Akzed on February 7, 2011 at 4:53 PM
You will not get one response that isn’t sarcasm, snark or misdirection from Good Lt Count, Jet, Dark etc… neither will Lourdes, Kingjester and Dumbcollegekid who all present facts and point out the truth about this nations founding and God’s word. As a matter of fact the truth as presented will kill the thread for them.

These people need to understand that HOt Air is not Daily Kos or HuffPost where they can scream all day long what they want to hear and there is no one there with whom to disagree or agrue…they aren’t used to being presented with facts, an intelligent argument or evidence and don’t know how to do anything intelligent in a debate. They resort to lies and obfucations and high fiving each other when they think they have “scored” against one of us.

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 5:12 PM

See, I was right…

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Sarah Palin on Hot Air? Does Hot Air send Sarah Palin checks for the business she drives their way???

She simply says they have a right to have their opinion heard! She doesn’t support overturning a few thousand years of history on marriage. The whole concept is silly and not even worth the time of the debate. The ship is sinking and people are debating whether gay Ben can wear his glittering dress in the lifeboat. Face your enemy.

Africanus on February 7, 2011 at 4:44 PM

It’s difficult to accept Palin’s position on GOProud in relationship to CPAC *IF* her position is as simple-minded as you describe it there, *IF* she’s boiled the issue down (badly, inaccurately) to something of mere attendance and not administration of the entire event and group itself.

I’ll devote more time early tomorrow to trying to read what Palin’s position is but it if it’s that simple-minded, I again assert, I’m disappointed in her if so.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM

kingsjester on February 7, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Something went pear-shaped with your post, kingjester. :)

powerpro on February 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM

With particular note as to “Christopher Barron” who is a really nasty jerk. I’d be ashamed to even be in the same room with him.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I didn’t appreciate him stating that because we social conservatives disgreed with him we were just relegating ourselves to the Island of Misfit toys… nice guy. But just because he says something doesn’t make it so…

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Can a person be Zoroastrian and conservative?

Is this allowed?

(I’m not Zoro/Zorro myself… just wondering)

Jeddite on February 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Palin + gays. How could it not turn into an epic thread? :)

DarkCurrent on February 7, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Hey,I just love poking pseudo Christian bigots.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Ignore this heritage at your peril.

Akzed on February 7, 2011 at 4:53 PM
You will not get one response that isn’t sarcasm, snark or misdirection from Good Lt Count, Jet, Dark etc… neither will Lourdes, Kingjester and Dumbcollegekid who all present facts and point out the truth about this nations founding and God’s word. As a matter of fact the truth as presented will kill the thread for them.

These people need to understand that HOt Air is not Daily Kos or HuffPost where they can scream all day long what they want to hear and there is no one there with whom to disagree or agrue…they aren’t used to being presented with facts, an intelligent argument or evidence and don’t know how to do anything intelligent in a debate. They resort to lies and obfucations and high fiving each other when they think they have “scored” against one of us.

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 5:12 PM

See, I was right…

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Yes, you were/are right.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:01 PM

That was God correcting you.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM

About what?

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 5:55 PM

I’m very sorry for you that you missed it.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Reagan came out against the Brigg’s Initiative. A voter proposition in 1978 that would have made it illegal to hire teachers who were gay or lesbian.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Yea, so what, Reagan isn’t my Lord or Savior. He can take up his positions with God just like the rest of us will have to.

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Hey,I just love poking pseudo Christian bigots.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Poking? Pseudo-Christians? And you would know Christians and Christianity how? You think you’re “poking” Christians? How sick IS that?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Hey,I just love poking pseudo Christian bigots.
katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Do you like tossing puppies and swinging cats around? How about kicking kids, been busy with that lately? You could try tripping the mailman but he or she might poke you back harder.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM

You do know what pseudo means?

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:05 PM

God you’re a persistent troll, Lourdes. Still at it, are you?

Vyce on February 7, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Well, I’m off to go look at more of the links you provided Lourdes… Thanks

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 6:08 PM

See, I was right…

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Hey, sorry if not taking you too seriously damaged your self-esteem

DarkCurrent on February 7, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Woah! Those are some truly tortured sentances in that transcript! She sounds worse than she did on Couric’s interview. She’s had plenty of time to train to make herself more coherent and this is how she still speaks. No one could diagram these. Ouch!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 7, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I didn’t appreciate him stating that because we social conservatives disgreed with him we were just relegating ourselves to the Island of Misfit toys… nice guy. But just because he says something doesn’t make it so…

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM

He and others in his group, and their associates, complain that the Left homosexual “community” belittles them (GOProud, him, others in that group) while they don’t seem to realize (not a surprise after reading these comments, though) that they ARE, indeed, nasty and disrespectful people. It’s not commonly possible to respond to someone who is ridiculing you and making sarcastic insults about you along with various deluded lies (same as here as to example by some others of similar kind/belief), it’s not commonly or even humanly possible to respond to or about them with politeness or a non-critical tone.

They solicit this sort of “victim as conservatives” nonsense while also insulting most Conservatives if and when you fail to support their group or so much as have a difference of opinion in relationship to the GOP and to CPAC. I don’t know what they expect except, most likely, some rather “gay activist” misled person in the GOP thought they’d be attractive to voters IF they solicited, what, “lost gays” or something? It’s a big, big mistake by the GOP to even allow GOProud to even associate or be perceived as representing the party. Stupid is more like it.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:10 PM

How can a “secure in their beliefs” Christian get upset if someone, who is known to not be a believer, calls Christianity a ‘myth’? Does DC saying that change your belief? Does it threaten your belief?

I should hope not.

You aren’t going to convince him, or anyone else who might be reading here, that you are right by attacking him.

ladyingray on February 7, 2011 at 6:10 PM

OBSERVATION: somebody (not a gay) who has absolutely no hesitation about declaring what homosexuals are/are not, and homosexuality is/is not, is questioning how somebody else (likely not a gay; religious affiliation: not 100% ascertained) can know Christians and Christianity.

Jeddite on February 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I didn’t appreciate him stating that because we social conservatives disgreed with him we were just relegating ourselves to the Island of Misfit toys… nice guy. But just because he says something doesn’t make it so…

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM

By the way, Grover Norquist, organizer of CPAC and Board with GOProud, is also pro-amnesty for illegals. Among his many other loathesome pursuits.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM

OBSERVATION: somebody (not a gay) who has absolutely no hesitation about declaring what homosexuals are/are not, and homosexuality is/is not, is questioning how somebody else (likely not a gay; religious affiliation: not 100% ascertained) can know Christians and Christianity.

Jeddite on February 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM

O.K., I admit it, you lost me there.

Are you “observing” that someone who “isn’t homosexual” can’t determine who is Christian and who isn’t? What?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Jeddite on February 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Beats the hell out of me.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Yes, like encouraging Bush to meet with radical Islamic imams after 9/11 that directly led to Bush calling Islam a “religion of peace”. Norquist’s wife is a Palestinian and it doesn’t look like she’s ever gotten over the brain-washing.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on February 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Well, you useful fools go enjoy your Big Gay CPAC and GOProud’s terrible behavior.

However, few to no Conservatives will participate and that’s a good thing. – Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Ugh……………..the usual. I guess that you think that all those who will attend are sinning by their mere attendance?

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Based upon their individual and group behavior here and on other comment streams, they are neither “good” nor “conservative.”
I realize they have their moments on some issues but neither of those two words well describes how they behave toward others here and what their views are (not Conservative).

Whoa guys, I never knew that Lourdes had been appointed our Judge. I didn’t know he had that authority.

Vyce on February 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM

You do know what pseudo means?

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:05 PM

You haven’t answered the question because you can’t.

Your entire intellect is limited to slinging mud and making false accusations (that’s called “lying”) and then trying to cover your own failures by retreating into some sort of haughty sounding words that you can’t even explain the meaning of.

Asking a question in response to being asked a question is not you answering the question.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Whoa guys, I never knew that Lourdes had been appointed our Judge. I didn’t know he had that authority.

Vyce on February 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Newsflash, Vyce, other people have other points of view other than your own. They can because they do. No one was waiting for your permission to express themself, least of all, me.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Ugh……………..the usual. I guess that you think that all those who will attend are sinning by their mere attendance?

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM

I guess you don’t know what I’m thinking or will think at any future time. Even if you think you can read minds, you can’t.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Asking a question in response to being asked a question is not you answering the question.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM

True piety/not Lourdes.Got it?

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Well, I’m off to go look at more of the links you provided Lourdes… Thanks

CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 6:08 PM

O.K., nice visiting here today with you and I hope you have the time to read those posts (what I linked to earlier).

Eye-opening material. Share the information with others if you think it’ll be informative to them.

Have a nice evening.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:21 PM

True piety/not Lourdes.Got it?

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Do you have Alzheimer’s? I ask because you do appear to have some sort of mental limitations.

CAN you answer my question? Do you know what you mean by “false piety” that you claim to be “poking” here?

I’m a human being, that’s “a different thing” than “piety,” which is an intellectual, moral and ethical position (in any combination applicable), which you so far can’t identify or won’t.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Yea, so what, Reagan isn’t my Lord or Savior. He can take up his positions with God just like the rest of us will have to. – CCRWM on February 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM

You are entitled to your religious beliefs. But this nation is not a theocracy.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Do you have Alzheimer’s?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:24 PM

That you even had the gall to call me crude is mind-boggling.

MadisonConservative on February 7, 2011 at 6:26 PM

this nation is not a theocracy.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:25 PM

BUT EVERY CITIZEN as individual is “endowed by the Creator with certain inalienable rights” that include Freedom of Religion. Even the Founding Fathers — who many claim were “deists” and “not Christians” (while I disagree with that) — identified, honored and recognized in the nation’s very Constitution the existence of God, the Creator, who “endowed” individuals with these liberties. It can’t get any more ironclad nor iron-declared than that by the Founding Fathers, as to what this nation is about and why.

Individuals have this (among others) Right and it shall not be infringed upon by government or anyone else. If you can’t respect that, what can you?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Do you have Alzheimer’s?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:24 PM

That you even had the gall to call me crude is mind-boggling.

MadisonConservative on February 7, 2011 at 6:26 PM

Neither you nor “the mean old lady” answered that question, either. Or can.

“the mean old lady” clearly displays mental affects of some sort. Thus, I asked that question. It’s not an insult to have Alzheimer’s and dementia is very clearly noticable in all cases.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:29 PM

“mean old lady” disappeared with that question posed to her. I guess her answer is, “yes.”

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:30 PM

I guess you don’t know what I’m thinking or will think at any future time. Even if you think you can read minds, you can’t. – Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:19 PM

I asked you a question. I did not state what you think. I will ask it again…… I guess that you think that all those who will attend are sinning by their mere attendance? YES or NO.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:31 PM

I invite everyone to go to GOProud’s website and read EVERYTHING THERE, not just the cherry-picked portions that JetBoy posted here early in the thread. They are identified by their sexuality and they are promoting special rights for gays…but JetBoy is too, although he would no doubt deny that, as well.

JannyMae on February 7, 2011 at 4:51 PM

I triple dog invite everyone to go to GOProud’s website! Just click on my screen name that Lourdes has a problem with. And I dare you, Janny or Lourdes, to find anything at all there that would back up your claims.

Because so far, you haven’t quoted one dang thing.

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 6:34 PM

BUT EVERY CITIZEN as individual is “endowed by the Creator with certain inalienable rights” that include Freedom of Religion. Even the Founding Fathers — who many claim were “deists” and “not Christians” (while I disagree with that) — identified, honored and recognized in the nation’s very Constitution the existence of God, the Creator, who “endowed” individuals with these liberties. It can’t get any more ironclad nor iron-declared than that by the Founding Fathers, as to what this nation is about and why.

Individuals have this (among others) Right and it shall not be infringed upon by government or anyone else. If you can’t respect that, what can you?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:28 PM

You will find no argument with me on the above. However, do you find Muslims who practice female genital mutilation as a religious right?

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:36 PM

“mean old lady” disappeared with that question posed to her. I guess her answer is, “yes.”

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Nope.Still here watching your meltdown.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:37 PM

I asked you a question. I did not state what you think. I will ask it again…… I guess that you think that all those who will attend are sinning by their mere attendance? YES or NO.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:31 PM

No, you stated what you’re “guessing” or more than likely, assuming my position is. You didn’t do so much as (politely) ask me what my views were as to sin and attendance at CPAC11.

You alleged a presumptuous inaccuracy.

But to get this over with, I’ll say this much: I don’t have any opinion as to “sin” in relationship with attending CPAC11.

I do maintain that homosexual behavior is sin, I don’t suggest, however, that anyone so engaged be harmed nor that any other human being — even others involved in homosexuality — harm anyone or “judge” them with any such harshness.

Evaluating someone else, organizations and individuals, is a case of one exercising one’s moral and ethical beliefs and values. It’s a necessary process to daily life for most adults in this modern world, just as it’s been so in our civilizations throughout history: people make decisions about associations, other individuals, about behaviors of issue and about actions they will take and advise others they care about to take, based upon first observing all of that.

I’d never identify “sin” randomly or by assumption but only upon what I could or did observe on a first-hand basis, which includes conclusions formed by how anyone represents themself on the internet, etc.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:39 PM

Nope.Still here watching your meltdown.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:37 PM

So you do have Alzheimer’s? Or is the issue some other form of dementia?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:40 PM

You will find no argument with me on the above. However, do you find Muslims who practice female genital mutilation as a religious right?

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Of COURSE NOT, as to “genital mutilation as a religious right” and we have abundant laws already in this nation that address such barbarity. Not anything and everything is justifiable under Freedom of Religion, particularly when it inflicts criminal or civil harms on others. SOme poeple can TRY to claim that privilege but once assault and other crimes have been committed upon anyone else, the “freedom” to engage in such ends and the criminal or civil penalties apply.

Why do you ask me such a question?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Newsflash, Vyce, other people have other points of view other than your own.
Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:18 PM

The irony!!!

Does no one here appreciate the irony as much as I do?

Well, Lourdes, I would reply “other people have differing points of view, Lourdes”, but then I remember that those of us who do have differing opinions than you have been Judged as “not good” and “not conservative”.

Vyce on February 7, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Still here watching your meltdown.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:37 PM

“Meltdown”? Thinking is difficult for you, isn’t it?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:18 PM

The irony!!!

Does no one here appreciate the irony as much as I do?

Well, Lourdes, I would reply “other people have differing points of view, Lourdes”, but then I remember that those of us who do have differing opinions than you have been Judged as “not good” and “not conservative”.

Vyce on February 7, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Your issue is your intolerance. Sorry you’re trying to make this a universal thing but your issue as with Mad Con, the mean old lady and a few others among their huddle bunch, it’s your own point of view that bothers you. So you try to find a target.

Stop addressing comments my way if you don’t want responses. I’d be happy to stop responding.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Since Lourdes is still here from early this morning…I’ll ask once more in case Lourdes missed it…

Please quote something from GOProud’s website that backs up your claim that it is a self-described gay activist group…

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 6:49 PM

Because so far, you haven’t quoted one dang thing.

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Why would any of us want to quote anything from GOProud’s website? I mean, other than you and your band of “haters” here.

Seriously, since you selectively earlier edited out what you didn’t want most to read and promoted here by reprinting, the points that appear somewhat ‘clean’ in general, from that site, it’s only fair and reasonable that more people among the GOP read and understand what GOProud is about. It’s about homosexual activism and even the blustery Chris guy brags about that.

Got it saved from his twitter posts, in fact, that that’s his and his group’s primary if not sole goal and purpose.

Many of us have posted what we understand from reading GOProud material what they are about, contrary to what you proclaim there. There’s no reason to cut-and-paste their website here or anywhere else. Spare us.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:50 PM

Since Lourdes is still here from early this morning…I’ll ask once more in case Lourdes missed it…

Please quote something from GOProud’s website that backs up your claim that it is a self-described gay activist group…

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 6:49 PM

And look, you’re still here, too.

Anyway, already addressed that issue, what you just declared you needed as to some “quote”.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Of COURSE NOT, as to “genital mutilation as a religious right” and we have abundant laws already in this nation that address such barbarity. Not anything and everything is justifiable under Freedom of Religion, particularly when it inflicts criminal or civil harms on others. SOme poeple can TRY to claim that privilege but once assault and other crimes have been committed upon anyone else, the “freedom” to engage in such ends and the criminal or civil penalties apply.

Why do you ask me such a question?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM

What civil rights should homosexuals have in our society.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Please quote something from GOProud’s website that backs up your claim that it is a self-described gay activist group…

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 6:49 PM

If it’s your site, you quote it. But don’t select out what you think is sanitized, quote it all or don’t quote any of it. This site earlier made similar sanitized quotation of your site and people quickly saw through that attempt to misdirect the public, too.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Why do you ask me such a question?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM

What civil rights should homosexuals have in our society.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:52 PM

Fair’s fair, SC.Charlie, you answer my question and then perhaps I’ll find more time to try to answer more of your questions. I already devoted a good amount of sincere time in replying to your first assumption.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Not reading all this crap because I’ve had my quota of that kind of fun for the day. I believe any conservative group should be allowed to attend CPAC. I also believe marriage requires gender diversity. Finally, I believe that “Sarah Palin” is the best possible answer to the question: “Who should our next President be?”

Immolate on February 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM

What civil rights should homosexuals have in our society.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:52 PM

by the way, civil rights apply to all citizens. There’s nothing in civil rights about homosexuals having a special class of civil rights except that they’re this thing called “a protected class” like Blacks and females and the disabled.

I note that the majority of violent crime committed upon homosexuals, however, is done by other homosexuals.

Do THEY get charged with violating the civil rights of their victims?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM

What civil rights should homosexuals have in our society.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 6:52 PM

they should have the same rights as everyone else..so lets get rid of their special rights with hate crime laws, ‘human rights’ laws, etc.

right4life on February 7, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Why would any of us want to quote anything from GOProud’s website? I mean, other than you and your band of “haters” here.

That’s what I expected from you.

Make outrageous claims about GOProud, and yet you cannot quote a single thing to back it up. You claimed you’ve read ALL KINDS of things about GOProud and it’s leadership. So…whatcha got?

*yawn*

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 6:57 PM

I believe any conservative group should be allowed to attend CPAC. I also believe marriage requires gender diversity. Finally, I believe that “Sarah Palin” is the best possible answer to the question: “Who should our next President be?”

Immolate on February 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM

It’s not about attending CPAC by “any group” and in this case, GOProud. It’s about them having been placed into a formative, leadership position of CPAC in which they have now become selectors of content and other participants.

It’s offensive since the group itself is a homosexual activist group, their goal, their purpose as such.

If they “merely” wanted to attend, they can do so and no one would object. They don’t want to merely attend, they want and have managed to land the position of forming the event itself. It’s offensive to many Conservatives and so CPAC is being avoided this year and likely will again in the future if things continue as-is with that convention.

The only people complaining are the Libertarians who are being left with CPAC11 and GOProud. Conservatives are fine with meeting elsewhere under different conditions.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:59 PM

by the way, civil rights apply to all citizens. There’s nothing in civil rights about homosexuals having a special class of civil rights except that they’re this thing called “a protected class” like Blacks and females and the disabled.

I note that the majority of violent crime committed upon homosexuals, however, is done by other homosexuals.

Do THEY get charged with violating the civil rights of their victims? – Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM

I agree that civil rights apply to all citizens. I don’t support the idea of hate crimes. However, I do believe that hate crimes against people because of their religion are part of federal law.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 7:02 PM

Make outrageous claims about GOProud, and yet you cannot quote a single thing to back it up. You claimed you’ve read ALL KINDS of things about GOProud and it’s leadership. So…whatcha got?

*yawn*

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 6:57 PM

He would turn tostone just by clickng the site.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Make outrageous claims about GOProud, and yet you cannot quote a single thing to back it up. You claimed you’ve read ALL KINDS of things about GOProud and it’s leadership. So…whatcha got?

*yawn*

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 6:57 PM

I don’t know what your issues are exactly but your petulent demands have been more than fulfilled by others here. You just don’t like that they have.

If you’re so keen on your site’s content, then you cut and paste it. What’s your problem in doing that? You’ve already promoted it numerous times here throughout the day, going so far as to — this has already been noted here by me and others earlier — pasting sanitized portions of the GOProud’s goals and objectives while avoiding including more “homosexual activist” content.

So if you’re so keen on that, do your cutting and pasting yourself. Just stop the editing out of content that is more revealing than what you’ve so far reprinted here (earlier in the day).

AS to my opinion, your site’s contents have long been read by me and I’d never suggest anyone visit the place. Good luck and as I wrote earlier: alpha mike foxtrot.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:03 PM

He would turn tostone just by clickng the site.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 7:03 PM

So what kind of dementia do you have?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM

I agree that civil rights apply to all citizens. I don’t support the idea of hate crimes. However, I do believe that hate crimes against people because of their religion are part of federal law.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 7:02 PM

O.K., thanks for clarifying that. I agree with you there on all three accounts.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:06 PM

I triple dog invite everyone to go to GOProud’s website! Just click on my screen name that Lourdes has a problem with. And I dare you, Janny or Lourdes, to find anything at all there that would back up your claims.
Because so far, you haven’t quoted one dang thing.

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 6:34 PM

“Sarah Palin Re-Tweets Gay-Friendly, Anti-DADT Comment
New York Magazine has this great post about a Twitter tweet sent by conservative radio talk show host and GOProud Advisory Council Chair Tammy Bruce. Bruce’s comment was re-tweeted by former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin”

I think DADT was even a moderate position, a truly conservative position would be ask, tell, reject. So, even a moderate position is a target for GOProud. GOProud is what is called a sleeper agent. It goes in quietly, tries to stay undetected by acting just like everyone else. But when the moment is right, they attack and press foward with 100% force. As was the case with DADT. It will be the same with every other GLBTNAMBLA agenda item. If it ever gets close to a pro gay marriage legislative action, they will be there pushing and pressing for that special privilege that they say they are not looking for.

astonerii on February 7, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Lourdes, are all people who organize to protect gay civil rights, homosexual activist groups?

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM

BTW, I heard a great joke. Two gays walk into a bar…

Anyone think that GOProud would not endorse legislation that criminalizes the completion of that thought? In your dreams they would not, here in reality, you better believe they would

astonerii on February 7, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Lourdes, are all people who organize to protect gay civil rights, homosexual activist groups?

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM

I don’t know, I can’t see “all groups” in that regard or most any other. I’d guess that most who ARE involved in such are, at least, associated on some key issues with same. Seems they’re rather associated, all that Progressive stuff, groups and individuals.

I’m disappointed at the CPAC degeneration. Really disappointed in some who have revealed themselves on twitter, especially, to not be Conservative at all but generally Progressive writing with Conservative handles and most are all defensively protective of CPAC and GOProud, like a gang. Not at all Conservatives, it’s been an eye-opening experience for me to see this devolve as it has.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Lourdes, are all people who organize to protect gay civil rights, homosexual activist groups?

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Nah.Just leftist,non Christian,senile scum.
/

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 7:11 PM

So you do have Alzheimer’s? Or is the issue some other form of dementia?

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:40 PM

I present … Lourdes!

DarkCurrent on February 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM

“Sarah Palin Re-Tweets Gay-Friendly, Anti-DADT Comment
New York Magazine has this great post about a Twitter tweet sent by conservative radio talk show host and GOProud Advisory Council Chair Tammy Bruce. Bruce’s comment was re-tweeted by former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin”

I think DADT was even a moderate position, a truly conservative position would be ask, tell, reject. So, even a moderate position is a target for GOProud. GOProud is what is called a sleeper agent. It goes in quietly, tries to stay undetected by acting just like everyone else. But when the moment is right, they attack and press foward with 100% force. As was the case with DADT. It will be the same with every other GLBTNAMBLA agenda item. If it ever gets close to a pro gay marriage legislative action, they will be there pushing and pressing for that special privilege that they say they are not looking for.

astonerii on February 7, 2011 at 7:06 PM

Interesting post, thanks, I enjoyed reading that in a rather somber way, I admit.

Bruce is pro-abortion and the last I heard her identify her political affiliation it was that she was a Democrat. She’s also been among the loudest voices pushing Palin for the Presidency. And most people by now know she’s a lesbian. And is now a Board member of GOProud.

So I don’t know what that association with Palin is all about. Though I can imagine the damages, I really haven’t considered what it’s actually about, other than it’s generally offensive to me in a number of ways. I have no more time today to continue to address this, however, and have a family waiting.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM

I present … Lourdes!

DarkCurrent on February 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Sorry, not available to play with you any longer. Got some family things to engage in now…

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Just come out and say it…you can’t quote one single thing to back up your claim. OK, case closed.

“Sarah Palin Re-Tweets Gay-Friendly, Anti-DADT Comment
New York Magazine has this great post about a Twitter tweet sent by conservative radio talk show host and GOProud Advisory Council Chair Tammy Bruce. Bruce’s comment was re-tweeted by former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin”

Not sure what that blog entry at GOProud proves…It was greeted with a chuckle from GOProud.

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:40 PM

I present … Lourdes!

DarkCurrent on February 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM

…but if anyone cannot recognize the mental affects taking place as represented in comments by “the mean old lady,” then you have no experience with people with dementia.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Sorry, not available to play with you any longer. Got some family things to engage in now…

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Well run along then.

DarkCurrent on February 7, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Not sure what that blog entry at GOProud proves…It was greeted with a chuckle from GOProud.

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 7:16 PM

It appears only you and the rest on the Gossip Train care about that.

So long.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Sorry, not available to play with you any longer. Got some family things to engage in now…

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Well run along then.

DarkCurrent on February 7, 2011 at 7:16 PM

Okeydokey…

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM

So long.

Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Buh-bye!

JetBoy on February 7, 2011 at 7:19 PM

I think DADT was even a moderate position, a truly conservative position would be ask, tell, reject. So, even a moderate position is a target for GOProud. GOProud is what is called a sleeper agent. It goes in quietly, tries to stay undetected by acting just like everyone else. But when the moment is right, they attack and press foward with 100% force. As was the case with DADT. It will be the same with every other GLBTNAMBLA agenda item. If it ever gets close to a pro gay marriage legislative action, they will be there pushing and pressing for that special privilege that they say they are not looking for. – astonerii on February 7, 2011 at 7:06 PM

GLBTNAMBLA agenda ……………..Wow? I guess that I am a Nazi, too.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Your issue is your intolerance.
Lourdes on February 7, 2011 at 6:46 PM

Wow, Lourdes here is actually so much better (in train-wreck terms, of course) than Jenfidel ever was. I mean, Jenny is crazy, but Lourdes is such a delicious, withering hypocrite that it is SPECTACULAR. Lourdes, you magnificient gay-hating bastard.

I note that the majority of violent crime committed upon homosexuals, however, is done by other homosexuals.

O RLY? Sure about that, champ?

Sexual-orientation bias

Offenders targeted 1,706 victims due to a sexual-orientation bias, and of these:

■57.5 percent were victims of an offender’s anti-male homosexual bias.
■27.3 percent were victims because of an anti-homosexual bias.
■11.6 percent were victims because of an anti-female homosexual bias.

Vyce on February 7, 2011 at 7:29 PM

This thread is EPIC. It has the Best & Worst of HotAir all rolled into One.

It’s like a Burrito with Alot of Guacamole, but not enough Meat.

portlandon on February 7, 2011 at 5:40 PM

I’d hate to know where you think I fall into the mix based on this thread.

Cindy Munford on February 7, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Sexual-orientation bias

Offenders targeted 1,706 victims due to a sexual-orientation bias, and of these:

■57.5 percent were victims of an offender’s anti-male homosexual bias.
■27.3 percent were victims because of an anti-homosexual bias.
■11.6 percent were victims because of an anti-female homosexual bias.

UH HUH

astonerii on February 7, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Jeddite on February 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Beats the hell out of me.

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Though I’m a Jewish born Catholic I’m thinking of branching out into the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
H*ll, I’ve been just about everything else but anyway, can a Judeo-Catholic Pastafarian be a good conservative?
What?

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Hi Cindy!
I did my small part to defend your honor while you were out.
I know you don’t need my help-but since you weren’t here…

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2011 at 8:03 PM

Offenders targeted 1,706 victims due to a sexual-orientation bias, and of these:

■57.5 percent were victims of an offender’s anti-male homosexual bias.
■27.3 percent were victims because of an anti-homosexual bias.
■11.6 percent were victims because of an anti-female homosexual bias.

UH HUH

astonerii on February 7, 2011 at 7:50 PM

…………..And, one of my best friends in college came home after his freshman year from another college and boasted about his attack on a gay male. Of course he did not know that I was gay. And, I said nothing ……. neither did anyone else. Later on he got married and one of his sister-in-laws is a lesbian who works in the Hollywood movie industry.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2011 at 8:03 PM

I saw that and really appreciate it.

Cindy Munford on February 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM

People who would attack someone because they are gay would probably attack someone for all sorts of reasons. I can’t stand bullies.

Cindy Munford on February 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

I saw that and really appreciate it.

Cindy Munford on February 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

You’re a good woman and what she was doing was her version of Jen calling everyone a ‘troll’.
*shakes head*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2011 at 8:24 PM

People who would attack someone because they are gay would probably attack someone for all sorts of reasons. I can’t stand bullies. – Cindy Munford on February 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

No, not this guy. Why he did this, I just don’t know. I have not kept in contact with him after my college years. Another shocker is that my brother punched out a gay French teacher in Junior High School…………….calling him queer. I was so sheltered that I did not know this until many years later. He was sent off to a military school. Today, my best friend is my brother.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 8:25 PM

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 8:25 PM

The great thing about life is that most of us grow up. I’m glad you and your brother are close, blood should be. My three are close and it is a constant comfort to me.

Cindy Munford on February 7, 2011 at 8:31 PM

H*ll, I’ve been just about everything else but anyway, can a Judeo-Catholic Pastafarian be a good conservative?
What?

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Of course not.You are doomed and going to hell without passing go.
/

katy the mean old lady on February 7, 2011 at 8:33 PM

“SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM”

…………..And, one of my best friends in college came home after his freshman year from another college and boasted about his attack on a heterosexual male. Of course he did not know that I was heterosexual. And, I said nothing ……. neither did anyone else. Later on he got married and one of his sister-in-laws is a heterosexual who works in the Bollywood movie industry.

yup, and apparently the statistics has next to 0 gay relationships gone bad victims. Thus totally making those numbers completely worthless, that was my point. I just assumed, silly me, that people were smart enough to look at the numbers and have the same idea without blatantly saying so.

astonerii on February 7, 2011 at 8:37 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2011 at 8:24 PM

I am going to say the rudest thing, but Jen is the kind of person that when you agree with her, you question yourself. I must say she was always nice to me but her treatment of other people was off putting.

Cindy Munford on February 7, 2011 at 8:38 PM

The great thing about life is that most of us grow up. I’m glad you and your brother are close, blood should be. My three are close and it is a constant comfort to me. – Cindy Munford on February 7, 2011 at 8:31 PM

I agree.

SC.Charlie on February 7, 2011 at 8:39 PM

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