New Egypt plan: Let’s send Mubarak on permanent medical leave or something

posted at 5:06 pm on February 7, 2011 by Allahpundit

This jibes with the story in the Journal on Saturday about a compromise in the works to retain Mubarak as a “figurehead” president but have his powers devolve to VP Omar Suleiman and whatever parliamentary government hatches from the egg that’s been laid. Why Mubarak would find quitting intolerable yet accept being shipped off to Europe per some manufactured health crisis is unclear to me — wouldn’t leaving office as a perceived invalid be even more humiliating? — but such are the vagaries of a dictator’s pride.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak may travel to Germany as a patient in part of an exit strategy proposed by the United States, the online version of German newspaper Der Spiegel reported Monday.

The United States government’s plan to end to the political chaos in Egypt appeared to be a scenario wherein Mubarak travels to Germany for a “prolonged health check,” the report suggested…

Talks are already being held with suitable hospitals, particularly with Max-Grundig-Klinik Bühlerhöhe in the southwestern town of Bühl near Baden-Baden, Spiegel Online reported, according to sources close to the clinic.

The NYT also got wind of the “annual medical leave” idea, although its source was one of the opposition spokesmen who are negotiating with the regime — which makes me wonder if this is propaganda being cooked up by protesters to embarrass Mubarak or to make him paranoid that Suleiman is secretly selling him out.

Meanwhile, via the Christian Science Monitor, a curious detail that might corroborate the “medical leave” scenario:

Two Brothers had just come from the group’s first formal talks ever with a government that has hounded the Brotherhood, Egypt’s oldest and best-organized opposition group, for generations. Along with secular democracy activists and reform-minded tycoons, they sought to present a united front for reform to Vice President Omar Suleiman, the former spymaster whose career was largely built on crushing Islamist movements.

But the moment had a hint of a climbdown. The Brotherhood backed off its demand that Mr. Mubarak step down immediately and make other concessions, for apparently little concrete in return. Suddenly, the one clear demand uniting them with the youths in Cairo’s Tahrir Square – Mubarak’s resignation – was gone…

“I don’t know what [senior Brotherhood leader Esam el-] Erian is thinking, I really don’t,” said a secular protest leader, who’s spent years trying to bring the Brotherhood into a broader reform camp. “We all know who Suleiman is and what he’s capable of. This is splitting the Brotherhood and could leave all of us isolated and in danger.”

Why would they concede the single biggest demand of the protesters at a moment when Suleiman is feeling domestic pressure and White House pressure to negotiate? The only explanation I can think of is that opposition’s been assured that Mubarak will lose day-to-day power but that he needs to be retained as some sort of ceremonial leader as a concession to his supporters in Egypt. That’s tantamount to having him step down, which means the core demand has been accepted. But, er, why would the Brotherhood expect Suleiman (and Mubarak) to honor that pledge? They’re inherently untrustworthy.

In case you missed it yesterday, below you’ll find Obama’s interview with O’Reilly in which he assures the public that the Brotherhood “don’t have majority support in Egypt.” That may be true at the party level — most of the analyses I’ve seen suggest that they’d take 25 percent or so in elections — but the Brotherhood doesn’t need a parliamentary majority to push its agenda. Remember that poll I linked last week showing Israel’s favorable rating in Egypt at, er, 3/92? When you’ve got support that massive, you don’t need to control the government. All you need is … democracy:

Muslim Brotherhood leaders interviewed by TIME in Tahrir Square consistently spoke of their commitment to the civil, non-sectarian nature of the state. “The Muslim Brotherhood takes Islam as a template, but we don’t have a religious state or God-ordained rule,” says Ibrahim Zakaria, a Brotherhood official and former member of parliament. “We believe in democracy and all its rules. We believe in the principle that the people are the origin and source of sovereignty, and that the people chose their leaders in free and secret ballots.”

On the subject of whether or not a new Egyptian government should cancel the Camp David Accord, they demurred. “We are not going to cancel any agreement previously made by the government,” says Zakaria. “But if there is a referendum about this or any other agreement, then we obey the people’s will.”

They’ll push their platform by calling for public referenda and then demanding that the government obey the people’s will. A perfectly legitimate democratic means towards a perfectly illiberal end. I’ll give ‘em this: They’re not stupid.

Exit question: Would an Islamist upswing in Egypt force the U.S. to make regime change in Iran the new cornerstone of its Middle East policy? A “realist” might argue the opposite, that we should actually back off Iran now to create a balance of power based on the loathing between Shiite fundies in Tehran and Sunni fundies in Cairo. That’s a dangerous game, though — really dangerous, potentially — and it might create space for Iran to try to reach a detente with the Brotherhood based on their mutual anti-U.S. interest. Remember, the mullahs have been isolated by Sunni regimes in the region for a long time now; making common cause against the west and Israel with fanatics in Egypt would break that Sunni bloc. In fact, Iran has already achieved this on a small scale by sponsoring Hamas, which is really just the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestinian chapter. (That’s why Khamenei sounds so excited about the protests in Cairo.) The U.S.’s best option now to bust an Islamist bloc before it congeals might be to aid the green revolution in Iran, which would surely replace the mullahs with a more liberal (albeit maybe only slightly more liberal) regime.



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Kind of like communism was good for the youth, religions, and the artists.

acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Surprised there wasn’t a “donate button” at the bottom of her webpage.

can_con on May 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Congratulations class of 2013, you managed to graduate without learning critical thinking skills. You have been programmed to be compliant to the state from which all your needs and desires will come. Don’t bother looking for meaningful employment, as we have ruined any chance of you being independent and self determined. Everything you say and do can and will be used against you if you show any signs of resistance to the state. You will not enjoy any privacy. Welcome to Amerika.

tom daschle concerned on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

I will gladly pay rob you Tuesday for the hamburger Death Panels you buy for me today.

—————— Joe Mengele Sebelius, Death Panels Kommandant.

viking01 on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Um..I just have to comment…pre-existing condition of acne?? WTF

BeachBum on May 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Great job kids, you’ll be excited to know being dependent on us is now easier than ever!

rightmind on May 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Sebelius touts ObamaCare as a boon to graduates instead of the war on the young it actually is

I’m tired of this BS meme about “robbing our childrens’ futures”. This is simple thievery, and we’re being stolen from NOW through inflation, and means nothing to most voters…they’re used to living in debt and the numbers are so staggering it simply doesn’t compute for them. Oh, and…they believe that the Wizards of Wall Street and the Gov’t surely know what they’re doing and will fix everything.

So, it doesn’t mean anything to enough people to make a difference at the polls. Besides, even if it did, how much more would the GOP get is into debt? They’ve done it before.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM

There’s an old joke that goes, “I want to live long enough to be a burden to my kids.”

Obamacare is going to guarantee I am, along with a lot of other people my age and older.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 8:54 PM

-Making it possible to stay on your parent’s health plan until you turn 26, giving you the flexibility to make choices about your future without worrying about where you’re going to get health insurance.

Not if your parents lose their employer provided insurance and get thrown on the exchanges.

Curtiss on May 22, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Nurse Diesel was born 60 years too late. She would have made a marvelous Nazi and Associate of Dr. Mengele. Pity…

/SPARC

glcinpdx on May 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Nurse Diesel was born 60 years too late. She would have made a marvelous Nazi and Associate of Dr. Mengele. Pity…

/SARC

glcinpdx on May 22, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I was at a party this past weekend, a rather daper young man of 80 years told a “funny but true” joke.

He asked at Social Security how he was going to get back all that he had paid in. The lady looked up his numbers, and told him with interest, it would take 32 more years to pay him back.

He looked me straight in the eye and said

“Those bastards aren’t getting a dime, I’m going to live to be 112.”

If you knew Don, you could believe that.

JusDreamin on May 22, 2013 at 9:05 PM

-Making it possible to stay on your parent’s health plan until you turn 26, giving you the flexibility to make choices about your future without worrying about where you’re going to get health insurance.

Of course you can get Plan B at age 15.

You can drive a car at 16.

You can vote at age 18.

You can legally drink at 21.

You can serve in the military.

But when it comes to healthcare, you can mooch off your parents until you’re old enough that you probably have a family of your own. Here’s to being a responsible adult or something.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Good if you are going to be a government worker.

Guess there might be some openings in the IRS soon…

ProfShadow on May 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM

I doubt any but the most serious and earnest of young Democrats are actually going to find their way to the HHS blog. I mean, how many here even knew there was one? I didn’t.

Even if they are aware of her statement, all Sebelius’ words won’t mean a thing when members of the class of 2013 can’t find work or can only find part-time work thanks to Obamacare or when they see differences in their paycheck because of Obamacare.

INC on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM

-Making it possible to stay on your parent’s health plan until you turn 26, giving you the flexibility to make choices about your future without worrying about where you’re going to get health insurance.

How many parents will subsidize their “kids” until they’re 26? I won’t.

Charlemagne on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Somehow, though, I can’t feel sorry for these college kids who, their first time voting, voted for Obama. And for those who voted for him twice. And let their liberal parents who voted Obama suffer just like the rest of us.

While I deplore this law and wish it be repealed, I’m going to enjoy seeing liberals suffer for the laws they wanted but didn’t always have to heed. Now, for the first time, liberals have to pay, too.

“Welcome to the party, pal!”

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM

This is one messed-up vicious cycle that the Obama administration is perpetuating here, and make no mistake: They are counting on the allure of seemingly “free” government benevolence to keep the charade going. Don’t go for it, graduates.

I have little faith in the young. They get their news from Colbert and Stewart and couldn’t tell you where Canada is on a map let alone intelligently explain international affairs. Many of them will happily sign up for that “free” healthcare.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Maybe she can explain why she broke the law & why she was extorting money from organization she was ‘lover’s….it will give her some practice before she has to do it before CONGRESS!

easyt65 on May 22, 2013 at 9:23 PM

How many parents will subsidize their “kids” until they’re 26? I won’t.

Charlemagne on May 22, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Well good for you! I knew that the financial support was cut off the minute I graduated from college. Of course, I had a job and wasn’t back in my childhood race car bed because of the lousy economy.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Somehow, though, I can’t feel sorry for these college kids who, their first time voting, voted for Obama.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Well, remember that campaign ad. They wanted their first time to be special.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Well, remember that campaign ad. They wanted their first time to be special.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Well, they gave it up to a psycho, and he’ll forever be like a stalker.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

“You vill drink zee Obamakare, und you vill enchoy it! Ja?”

slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2013 at 9:32 PM

What year did Sebelius run in the Kentucky Derby?

bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Well, they gave it up to a psycho, and he’ll forever be like a stalker.

Liam on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Yeah, it’s like a Lifetime Movie Network script.

Innocent happy young people graduate from college. Before you know it they’re enrolled in Obamacare, have to trade their cool phones in for Obamaphones because they don’t have any income. They turn on the television to see Mooch lecturing them to eat their vegetables. It is as if they’ve lost their real families and been adopted by the Obamas. Or more accurately they’ve been recruited into the radical left-wing party of which Obama is the cult leader.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM

What year did Sebelius run in the Kentucky Derby?

bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Hah! Trick question. Sebelius isn’t a mudder and got scratched before the race for fear that the track conditions would result in a broken leg. Thus eliminating any chance of stud fees.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Chickens coming home to roost.

.Left wing professorial nuts in colleges teach kids socialism.
.left wing indoctrinated college freaks elect Obama president.
.Obama appoints whackos like Sebelius and the IRS to propose and administer Obamacare and other lunatic government programs (government “problems” would be more apt.)–all over-funded, job-killing and cancerous.
.Left wing indoctrinated college freaks not only can’t afford Obamacare but they can’t get any jobs because of it.
.In a no-job market the only openings available for poorly trained, unqualified left wing indoctrinated college freaks is to become left wing professorial nuts themselves. Problem is-only one opening per 75,000 applicants.

MaiDee on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Of course, I had a job and wasn’t back in my childhood race car bed because of the lousy economy.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2013 at 9:24 PM

This. Only recently has it even been physically possible for me to go apartment shopping. And the state of the job market basically robs you of all career choice.

Seriously, you wanna be depressed to the core of your being? Try writing out a budget and realizing 9 hour shifts of putting up with flappy-mouthed rudesters for co’work’ers and being abused by dumb angry proles who want everything for free will BARELY provide enough money to exist on.

Would be a lot more money for me if it wasn’t being taken to feed the Democrat ‘minority’ voting blocs…

MelonCollie on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM

.In a no-job market the only openings available for poorly trained, unqualified left wing indoctrinated college freaks is to become left wing professorial nuts themselves. Problem is-only one opening per 75,000 applicants.

MaiDee on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Exactly. Even with all manner of Federal subsidies, there are only so many ‘jobs’ for overpaid wind-up puppets. The rest of us actually have to find real employment, which is currently about like panning for gold at your local public pool.

MelonCollie on May 22, 2013 at 10:58 PM

In a no-job market the only openings available for poorly trained, unqualified left wing indoctrinated college freaks is to become left wing professorial nuts themselves. Problem is-only one opening per 75,000 applicants.

MaiDee on May 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Nah, there are plenty of jobs for them. Obama wants his domestic national police force, equipped as well as the military. 3 hots and a cot along with all the “personal defense weapons” and “weapons of war” you can want with that new authoritah.

oryguncon on May 22, 2013 at 11:24 PM

-Requiring most insurance plans to cover proven preventive services—like birth control and certain cancer screenings—without you paying a penny.

Well, except for that really, really high insurance premium – you know, that one that you’re required to purchase. Oh sure, you probably wouldn’t have purchased insurance at such a young age – but if we’re going to offset the costs associated with insuring people with preexisting conditions – we need to you to pay your fair share. See? Doesn’t that feel good?

Sure hope you find a good-paying job… you’re going to need it!

Hill60 on May 23, 2013 at 12:04 AM

I still think that in this picture she looks like Dana Carvey as The Church Lady.

bugsy on May 23, 2013 at 5:42 AM

I don’t understand why there is never any pushback from the GOP or commentators on the stupid claim that insurance companies discriminate with higher premiums based on being a woman. What they are referring to is that insurance is typically higher for a woman of child bearing age than a similarly aged man. Well, duh that’s because women can get pregnant and men can’t and so they are at a higher risk of causing higher payouts. I know my six pregnancies cost our insurance company a lot more money than my husband did at the same age. To force a single male to pay the same rates as a single female during childbearing years is redistribution for the sake of politics/feminist agenda pure and simple.

txmomof6 on May 23, 2013 at 5:52 AM

I despise this Sebelius woman.

locomotivebreath1901 on May 23, 2013 at 6:12 AM

to the class of 2013:

good luck finding a job; and don’t forget to pay your obamacare ‘taxes’ or the IRS will be coming for you.

you voted for these socialists; welcome to the real world chumps!

burserker on May 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM

In charge of your medical records.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2013 at 3:16 PM